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Putin invades two area's in Ukraine

Right. He would be in bed with Putin. Literally.
If that were true Putin would have acquired Ukraine, a few other Balkin states, and achieved his ultimate goal of dismantling the NATO alliance between 2016-2020.
Instead, Trump tried to persuade the European NATO countries to get off their lazy asses and start training and contributing to the military effort and tried to convince them to roll back their dependence on Russian oil and gas…ruffling the feathers of the climate change freeloaders all over Europe.
They all laughed at him…now Putins got their nuts in a vise with his hand on their light switch.
 
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Right. He would be in bed with Putin. Literally.
That was the Hildibeast sucking that kok. Didn't get the memo did you?

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I do have to disagree here. We have TREMENDOUS leverage over Mexico, and if the Brandon administration WANTED to curb illegals from entering our Country..he could make it happen, just like Trump did. China and Russia are two totally different nuclear powers, and smell blood in the water with weak ass Brandon in charge.

~ Did Putin send 30 Million+ over the Ukraine border to destroy the Ukraine from within?
~ Personally, I don't GaS about the Ukraine as it concerns America, they're Europe's problem.
~ Of course I feel sorry for any that are denied Freedom, but that's up to them and Europe to solve imo. Freedom isn't FREE, and it never has been. I'm tired of paying for their freedom at OUR continuing and never-ending expense.

I'd take us out of NATO, and instead form a new organization of the American Countries (North-Central-South) and leave Europe to fend for themselves. Both England and France have nukes and the means to defend themselves,,, at their expense instead of at our great expense in men and money....
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Abraham Lincoln to the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois on January 27, 1838.

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

The Southern Border crisis is us opening our doors to those that can destroy us from within....
China and Russia will never start a nuclear war due to MAD (mutually assured destruction).

But China will gleefully send 'FENTANYL' in through our open Southern border to help destroy us from the inside. While Mexico is so corrupt that their government can't even control the Human Smuggling Slavery and Drug Cartels.
We have zero real leverage over the Mexican Govt., as what's pouring over our Southern border daily shows beyond any doubt....

IF,,,, If we ever get political corruption here under control, then I tell Mexico that we are going to send Special Forces Units into Mexico to battle (read wipe out) the Cartels. When that's done, I move south and continue the process.

My dream (prolly fantasy) is for all of the America's to be under a new and all encompassing Constitution (based on ours), with their own people still to rule over their own countries. THE FREE UNITED AMERICA'S.....
 
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I do have to disagree here. We have TREMENDOUS leverage over Mexico, and if the Brandon administration WANTED to curb illegals from entering our Country..he could make it happen, just like Trump did. China and Russia are two totally different nuclear powers, and smell blood in the water with weak ass Brandon in charge.

We have zero leverage over the totally corrupt Mexican Govt.
They can't even control the Drug Cartels and their Human Smuggling Slavery.
They continue to tolerate the flood of criminal illegal aliens to pour through their country and over our undefended Southern border, to the tune of 30+ Million already here, costing us 100's of Billion dollars annually.
We are being INVADED daily and do nothing about it, but to help the invaders.
That is TREASON on it's highest order imo....

China and Russia won't start a nuclear war due to MAD (mutually assured destruction).

They, like everyone else, are using more subtle methods to bring us down.
Russia, and now China, continue with their cyber war against us, and the thief of our intellectual properties.

China is also flooding deadly fentanyl into America to kill and weaken society.
We should deal with them by closing down all trade with them.
Throw all of their citizens out, especially those in corporations and universities.
We don't need them and we never have.
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There are those who love Liberty, who cried out to live their own lives, to strive, to rise above, to achieve.

And then there are those bent on the Socialist's mindless equality of stagnation brought about through the enforcement of an artificial, arbitrary, gray progressives uniformity.

There are those who want to transcend through their own efforts, with free and open capitalism.

And those who want others to think for them and are willing to play the ultimate price for it, (slavery & death).

The time to pick sides is coming,,, like it or not....
 
Yes, it's early in the war but could it be that the Russian military is somewhat overrated? They did get their rear ends kicked in Afghanistan. Probably no different now like France once was.

I know, I know, just look at what's become of the US military when Bath House Barry was in office and see how worse it is now under The Groper Joe.




 
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Good Lord am I tired of hearing this talking point repeated by lefty sheep. I've spent far too much of my time making sure I understand CRT...just to be sure I knew what I thought I knew.

If I don't then there's no way you do either. That means if I shouldn't be against CRT then you shouldn't be for it...because neither of us apparently know what we are talking about.
100%. This is what I KNOW. I KNOW that the left wants to divide by race, and believes white people OWE people of color , and want this taught in school. I KNOW that the left believes white people were privileged, and because so, they want children to learn that if you are white, you need to give way when a person of color needs or wants something. I also know that kind of thinking is as racist as anything I have heard in my 60 years on this planet....and this is why I think lefties are VERY, VERY racist people.
 
I heard today that this invasion of Ukraine was because Trump was soft on Putin.
As Reagan told us decades ago....liberals know SO MUCH that simply is not true. They lie, cheat and steal to promote their radical unAmerican agenda's.

NOW...lets view the FACTS here. Trump armed these people during his presidency, in fact, the reason Russia has lost so many tanks, APC's and planes is because TRUMP armed them. Hussein sent MRE's and blankets. Biden will not even ban their way to make income off of fossil fuels.. But the left says TRUMP was weak on Russia....yet the left IS THE REASON this invasion happened. Putin saw weakness...hell, the WHOLE world sees the weakness, especially when you weigh in the worst political blunder in America's history....the Afghanistan withdrawal. Lefties truly believe people will forget about that..when the truth is, our children's children's children will still be talking about it. And I can not think of a better time to remind these lefties...I TOLD YOU SO. Brandon is a complete IDIOT. Watch him speak, and come back and post here that he makes you proud! LOL Then go watch the resident of Ukraine and witness a REAL leader. Brandon is a disgrace, and when you all come here to defend him, you all look like one too!
 
Right. He would be in bed with Putin. Literally.
Hey Davis...let me bring some of those pesky FACTS to the table here, and lets see if you are brave enough to respond...it doubt it.

1.Putin has invaded Countries under 2 of the last 3 American presidents, without repercussions...can you name those administrations?
2. The Ukrainians are putting up a very good fight under the circumstances because ONE President in the past 3 Administrations armed them with many defensive weapons, despite outside pressure from our allies, and democrat politicians. Name the ONLY President that instead of sending MRE's and blankets(Nobam when Crimea was invaded) he sent defensive weapons!

Now, one more. Only one president in the past 4 decades has ordered troops to kill Russian forces, because they were doing things that they were warned not to, and made it dangerous for our military. So my question is...name the only American President that allowed our military to defend itself from Russian forces, resulting in the death and destruction of around 3-400 Russian soldiers!

Now this was meant for D Davis for is lie that he posted. His TOTAL misrepresentation of Facts. And other lefty snowflake is welcome to come discuss why Trump is easy on Russia, but pack your lunch, and bring FACTS...no lies allowed.

And PLEASE read up so you are not embarrassed!
 
Yes, it's early in the war but could it be that the Russian military is somewhat overrated? They did get their rear ends kicked in Afghanistan. Probably no different now like France once was.

I know, I know, just look at what's become of the US military when Bath House Barry was in office and see how worse it is now under The Groper Joe.






I have a feeling that is trumped up quite a bit but Putin does have to really decide what his goal is here and what its going to cost to actually toss out the current President etc. I think he realizes he would never win by installing a puppet govt and having Russian soldiers as sitting ducks trying to occupy that place for a long period. I think he might settle for some written agreement that Ukraine wont get nukes and won't join NATO. I could see him leaving Troops longer term in that border area however where the people like Russia more than their own govt supposedly.

Any military tactics people here? What would be Putin's best way to capture that President without a bunch of carnage if they don't come to an agreement? They have had a lot of time to set up the best protection they can against that and Putin doesn't want a scene of a bunch of Russians getting killed being seen in Russia.

If I was Putin I would just stay in that more pro-Russia area mostly and make demands for withdrawal on the nukes and NATO stuff in addition to some of the sanctions. He probably doesn't have to worry about too many civilians wanting to shoot Russian soldiers in the streets there like he does in the other parts of the country. Being that Putin is type of person he is he might insist on that President being removed forcefully though.
 
Zelensky is turning out to be a real leader. I am afraid he will be captured or die in the coming weeks, but he is an inspiration to the whole country to fight on. I wish we would do more to help him, but we are walking a tight rope.

It is inspiring, especially given all the crap America has gone through in recent times, to see people who have had a taste of freedom fighting to keep it. Like Americans used to be before we decided that we needed to fight ourselves.
 
I have a feeling that is trumped up quite a bit but Putin does have to really decide what his goal is here and what its going to cost to actually toss out the current President etc. I think he realizes he would never win by installing a puppet govt and having Russian soldiers as sitting ducks trying to occupy that place for a long period. I think he might settle for some written agreement that Ukraine wont get nukes and won't join NATO. I could see him leaving Troops longer term in that border area however where the people like Russia more than their own govt supposedly.

Any military tactics people here? What would be Putin's best way to capture that President without a bunch of carnage if they don't come to an agreement? They have had a lot of time to set up the best protection they can against that and Putin doesn't want a scene of a bunch of Russians getting killed being seen in Russia.

If I was Putin I would just stay in that more pro-Russia area mostly and make demands for withdrawal on the nukes and NATO stuff in addition to some of the sanctions. He probably doesn't have to worry about too many civilians wanting to shoot Russian soldiers in the streets there like he does in the other parts of the country. Being that Putin is type of person he is he might insist on that President being removed forcefully though.
What? To h3ll with Putin. He should get NOTHING.

In fact while I do not support the ICCJ, Putin should be publicly indicted for war crimes and captured however possible should he leave Russia and be sent to the Hague.

Their energy sector should be cutoff from the world.

They should be banned from SWIFT.

Ukrainian men/soldiers should arrive at the Polish border in regular vehicles, load up with MANPADS and Javelins and head back out. We need to give them thousands.

Admittance into NATO with the requisite NATO troops in Ukraine would have stopped this before it began.

Now we need massive troops in the Baltics and Poland to ensure Putin knows we mean business and that we will chase him to Moscow and hang him from the nearest light pole should his boots touch one inch of NATO soil.

NATO should be ashamed of its appeasement and cowardice in the face of this bully.

If this goes to WW3 and our kids are killed it will be because we tried the same d@amn appeasement tactics that Chamberlain did in WW2.

When will Americans learn that world peace DEPENDS on us being the reluctant policeman and keeping the peace by force if necessary.

A weak and disengaged America will allow Iran, NK, China and Russia to wreak havoc on the world.

Oh and I will say again we should still be in Afghanistan and if you send American troops anywhere be prepared for there to be a "permanent" presence there aka Germany, Japan S Korea. You enjoy the American way of life, the privilege of being the #1 economy and protection of the #1 military of the world then THIS is the cost.

Now we need to get our head out of our @ss and park 3 carrier groups out in the Taiwan straight while this Ukraine situation plays out.

There is no peace without strength and threat of force. F&ck sanctions and toothless diplomacy. Diplomacy works when there is a credible threat of force behind it.
 
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What? To h3ll with Putin. He should get NOTHING.

In fact while I do not support the ICCJ, Putin should be publicly indicted for war crimes and captured however possible should he leave Russia and be sent to the Hague.

Their energy sector should be cutoff from the world.

They should be banned from SWIFT.

Ukrainian men/soldiers should arrive at the Polish border in regular vehicles, load up with MANPADS and Javelins and head back out. We need to give them thousands.

Admittance into NATO with the requisite NATO troops in Ukraine would have stopped this before it began.

Now we need massive troops in the Baltics and Poland to ensure Putin knows we mean business and that we will chase him to Moscow and hang him from the nearest light pole should his boots touch one inch of NATO soil.

NATO should be ashamed of its appeasement and cowardice in the face of this bully.

If this goes to WW3 and our kids are killed it will be because we tried the same d@amn appeasement tactics that Chamberlain did in WW2.

When will Americans learn that world peace DEPENDS on us being the reluctant policeman and keeping the peace by force if necessary.

A weak and disengaged America will allow Iran, NK, China and Russia to wreak havoc on the world.

Oh and I will say again we should still be in Afghanistan and if you send American troops anywhere be prepared for there to be a "permanent" presence there aka Germany, Japan S Korea. You enjoy the American way of life, the privilege of being the #1 economy and protection of the #1 military of the world then THIS is the cost.

Now we need to get our head out of our @ss and park 3 carrier groups out in the Taiwan straight while this Ukraine situation plays out.

There is no peace without strength and threat of force. F&ck sanctions and toothless diplomacy. Diplomacy works when there is a credible threat of force behind it.
There is nothing above what you wrote that I disagree with
 
What? To h3ll with Putin. He should get NOTHING.

In fact while I do not support the ICCJ, Putin should be publicly indicted for war crimes and captured however possible should he leave Russia and be sent to the Hague.

Their energy sector should be cutoff from the world.

They should be banned from SWIFT.

Ukrainian men/soldiers should arrive at the Polish border in regular vehicles, load up with MANPADS and Javelins and head back out. We need to give them thousands.

Admittance into NATO with the requisite NATO troops in Ukraine would have stopped this before it began.

Now we need massive troops in the Baltics and Poland to ensure Putin knows we mean business and that we will chase him to Moscow and hang him from the nearest light pole should his boots touch one inch of NATO soil.

NATO should be ashamed of its appeasement and cowardice in the face of this bully.

If this goes to WW3 and our kids are killed it will be because we tried the same d@amn appeasement tactics that Chamberlain did in WW2.

When will Americans learn that world peace DEPENDS on us being the reluctant policeman and keeping the peace by force if necessary.

A weak and disengaged America will allow Iran, NK, China and Russia to wreak havoc on the world.

Oh and I will say again we should still be in Afghanistan and if you send American troops anywhere be prepared for there to be a "permanent" presence there aka Germany, Japan S Korea. You enjoy the American way of life, the privilege of being the #1 economy and protection of the #1 military of the world then THIS is the cost.

Now we need to get our head out of our @ss and park 3 carrier groups out in the Taiwan straight while this Ukraine situation plays out.

There is no peace without strength and threat of force. F&ck sanctions and toothless diplomacy. Diplomacy works when there is a credible threat of force behind it.

I doubt Putin would ever allow any more NATO expansion on his border. We would probably have WW3 going now if they tried it over his objections.
 
Yes, it's early in the war but could it be that the Russian military is somewhat overrated? They did get their rear ends kicked in Afghanistan. Probably no different now like France once was.

I know, I know, just look at what's become of the US military when Bath House Barry was in office and see how worse it is now under The Groper Joe.





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Yes, it's early in the war but could it be that the Russian military is somewhat overrated?

I would say more unproven, untested and green in actual combat.

I believe that they have lethal weapons and systems in place and they are top shelf or near to it...but you cannot simulate the real deal. The fog of war vs operational theory.
 
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Zelensky is turning out to be a real leader. I am afraid he will be captured or die in the coming weeks, but he is an inspiration to the whole country to fight on. I wish we would do more to help him, but we are walking a tight rope.

It is inspiring, especially given all the crap America has gone through in recent times, to see people who have had a taste of freedom fighting to keep it. Like Americans used to be before we decided that we needed to fight ourselves.

Well said and agree.

If Zelensky stays alive, Ukraine has a chance. Will he? I hope so but I have serious doubts.
 
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I doubt Putin would ever allow any more NATO expansion on his border. We would probably have WW3 going now if they tried it over his objections.

It would have been, and still would be, a serious risk to allow them into NATO. IMO that ship sailed in 2014 when Putin invaded the Crimea.

To allow Ukraine in now, or to put NATO boots on the ground today would be EXTREMELY risky and the stakes are actual global annihilation.

Also, something has changed with Putin. I don't know what it is but he is clearly not the same thoughtful, brilliant, evil SOB that we all once knew him to be.
 
Stolen from another board...😂

He is so different than Brandon. Brandon looks down at his raisinettes and is VERY jealous!
 


So this strikes me as terribly odd.

France is notorious for NOT wanting to fight, yet here they do something that will almost assuredly draw a swift response from Russia.

There's a lot of people who are pretty smart who are now saying we are getting the wrong story on this. I think we should all be watching VERY closely and thinking very carefully about this. The players involved may not be playing the roles we think they are.
 
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So this strikes me as terribly odd.

France is notorious for NOT wanting to fight, yet here they do something that will almost assuredly draw a swift response from Russia.

There's a lot of people who are pretty smart who are now saying we are getting the wrong story on this. I think we should all be watching VERY closely and thinking very carefully about this. The players involved may not be playing the roles we think they are.

Don't know what to think about a lot of this but the media push is reaching a comedy gold level almost. They are almost to the point of trying to convince people that Ukraine is now pushing back the Russian military with civilians armed with rifles and molotov cocktails. I think Russia is just getting their supply lines and things situated and will probably be making a big move soon.
 


So this strikes me as terribly odd.

France is notorious for NOT wanting to fight, yet here they do something that will almost assuredly draw a swift response from Russia.

There's a lot of people who are pretty smart who are now saying we are getting the wrong story on this. I think we should all be watching VERY closely and thinking very carefully about this. The players involved may not be playing the roles we think they are.
Listen to the Victoria Nuland call between her and the US Ambassador to Ukraine regarding over throwing the current regime in Ukraine.

WBC former champ Vladimir Klitchko is talked about as a replacement.

Also, research the history of the current Ukrainian leader, his prior line of work and what show he created/directed that was the exact blue print on how he became the leader of Ukraine.
 
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Don't know what to think about a lot of this but the media push is reaching a comedy gold level almost. They are almost to the point of trying to convince people that Ukraine is now pushing back the Russian military with civilians armed with rifles and molotov cocktails. I think Russia is just getting their supply lines and things situated and will probably be making a big move soon.
Maybe. But someone who is connected with civilian contractors in Ukraine is telling another story. Russian troops are paying a high price, and the Russian troops themselves are confused as to why they are attacking what they consider fellow countrymen. I'm getting this info from someone who is connected with said person. I honestly have no idea if this is true. I do know our media lies at least as badly as the old Iraqi Minister of Disinformation.
 
Maybe. But someone who is connected with civilian contractors in Ukraine is telling another story. Russian troops are paying a high price, and the Russian troops themselves are confused as to why they are attacking what they consider fellow countrymen. I'm getting this info from someone who is connected with said person. I honestly have no idea if this is true. I do know our media lies at least as badly as the old Iraqi Minister of Disinformation.
I’m reading the same thing from other outlets.
 
Crazy how many photos that were put out by the news stations and politicians etc. are now being shown to be photos from different things and taken previously. Well at least they haven't stooped yet to the Russians are going in and killing the babies in the hospitals like was fed to us when Iraq invaded.
 
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Crazy how many photos that were put out by the news stations and politicians etc. are now being shown to be photos from different things and taken previously. Well at least they haven't stooped yet to the Russians are going in and killing the babies in the hospitals like was fed to us when Iraq invaded.
Optics are everything

It’s how we all fell into WMD’s. Think about prior wars where this was done to gain support.
 
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Optics are everything

It’s how we all fell into WMD’s. Think about prior wars where this was done to gain support.

And with social media it really gets magnified. I actually agreed it served our interests enough to drive Saddam out of Kuwait but I think that lady they put in front of Congress to push that fake story turned out to be a relative of a Kuwait ambassador or something like that. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of our politicians knew it was fake before she even spoke there after the media had pushed it for so long.
 
And with social media it really gets magnified. I actually agreed it served our interests enough to drive Saddam out of Kuwait but I think that lady they put in front of Congress to push that fake story turned out to be a relative of a Kuwait ambassador or something like that. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of our politicians knew it was fake before she even spoke there after the media had pushed it for so long.
Couldn’t agree more, It’s all connected and pre planned
 
Crazy how many photos that were put out by the news stations and politicians etc. are now being shown to be photos from different things and taken previously. Well at least they haven't stooped yet to the Russians are going in and killing the babies in the hospitals like was fed to us when Iraq invaded.
Wish I had saved and bookmarked, too late now. Saw where a Twitter poster pointed out a photo of carnage in Ukraine was actually a "mostly peaceful protest" in the US with buildings burning. :rolleyes:😂
 
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