Precisely. They are getting "outplayed" much like Stoops outplayed Napier this past week. I would also argue that THIS cost multiple elections including the GA senate seats.
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What's wrong with you dude, I told you I was going to respond to the other part, I just don't have time to do this all at once. But you won't like my response, I can tell you that ahead of time. Your just not thinking this stuff through.
Right now I have a lot going on and I'm getting to this thread when I can ...
Ballot harvesting was dead people, people who did not even vote. Those were mostly dumped after we went to sleep. And FIVE staTES DID THIS IN LARGE SCALE TO ANSWER iLLEGALS POST ABOVE
Pardon me for jumping in here but I recently read some of the dialogue presented by one of our very on posters [fatman I think] concerning voter fraud in Fulton county, Georgia. One particular part of this presentation was that research and review of the voting rolls showed that over 67,000 inelgible votes were received . A portion of the justification that there was these illegal votes was agreed to by the Georgia voting official.
Some of this number was because they had moved to other locations. It was stated that over 8,000 of the people who moved from Fulton county and registered at their new location and voted there. So it seeems that some Democrat operative voted for them in Fulton county.
So hiding in a basement helped him garner the most votes ever...blowing Obama's vote totals out of the water?
And you believe that because CNN and other more left networks told you so? Makes sense.
If we assume everything that you said is true...your opponent making mistakes will lower his total and perhaps give you a little bump. But hiding out absolutely WILL NOT lead to the most (by far) votes ever. No rational person believes this.
Have we noticed a trend here?
Seems the RNC and pubs always do something stupid and weak....that helps the dems immensely.
Right?
But when you point out the obvious "Hey, almost looks like they are both on the same team..." people like theo lose their minds. Conspiracy theorist!
Pay close attention to which pubs oppose this.
You are in dire need of self reflection my friend.
So remember how we were told by some here that Trump didnt act very presidential? How that was a dealbreaker for many?
Remember what Trump did when he caught covid? He kept working 16 hours a day and beat it over a weekend.
What did Biden do? Masked up and stayed hidden out of fear of catching covid.
Which candidate acted like we want our presidents to act?
According to Mark Levin, Gaetz recently used the help of Dems to stop a bill that would have cut spending by all Departments/Agencies except for military by 30% Levin wasn't happy with Gaetz.
I'd have to see what all was in the bill, I have no idea as I don't listen to Levin.
My point is, McCarthy sided with the dems, now Gaetz is starting a motion to vacate him as Speaker as a result.
If pubs are really pubs, they should side with that motion. The ones that don't will likely be outting themselves as establishment RINOs.
Here is a recap of what he was talking about:
On Monday’s Mark Levin Show, how many of you would sit down and cut a deal with progressive Marxist Democrats in the House? They are economic socialists who reject everything we believe in and Rep Matt Gaetz voted with them. On Friday, Rep Byron Donalds put up a bill to cut 30% of all Federal agencies and it would have secured the border with mandates. There was a strategy developed between Conservatives in the House and the Senate. The plan was to get it passed in the House, then the Senate could use it to have leverage over Sen Mitch McConnell. But the bill was killed by Gaetz, who voted with Democrats and the progressive caucus. Now the government is open for 45 days and nothing is cut and the spending continues. President Biden, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, and Hakeem Jeffries got their way because they ran circles around Gaetz.
Later, Rep Nicole Malliotakis calls in to discuss a resolution she introduced to expel or censure Rep Jamaal Bowman from the House over pulling a fire alarm at the Capitol building and obstructing an official proceeding of Congress. Then his office puts out talking points calling Republicans Nazis. This is not the first time ‘The Squad’ has used this term against Republicans. Finally, Donald Trump is in court trying to protect his business now. Why would a state go after Donald Trump if the banks didn’t file a single complaint? How do you defraud someone who says they weren’t defrauded?
The only problem here is this, who does Gaetz think can win the Speaker if they vote MCCarthy out? Hauckkkkk kemm would only need a few Rinos to vote his way and he could be the next Speaker.
Which would mean we would have a Speaker supporting dem bills. Sounds like not much would change.
So you think if a car is traveling 200 MPH its not a crime unless he hits someone?
Or we do the sensible thing an arrest him before that happens? Which is obviously the law.
And the banks didn't say they weren't defrauded because they where. They just didn't know it was happening. They lost millions over this, not because the loans weren't repaid but because they granted preferential terms that would never have been given if the proper real estate values where used.
And lets not forget, Donald Trump has gone bankrupt something like 6 or 7 times.......so banks have lost many millions dealing with him in the past. If you think inflating values didn't happen in the past I have a bridge to sell you in Arizona.
This was a summary judgement......apparently the evidence was so strong they didn't even need to have a trial. All the are doing now is determining the damages. As I understand this.....Trump's real problem here is that when you illegally obtain funds the state can escheat to any profits you made while using those funds. Which might be a big number.
Would you not have a Standing isuue? If Trump committed the crime against the banks, then shouldn't the banks be the one suing him. Also, isn't it the bank/lender responsibility to evaluate the worth of the land/business before loaning $. Just because I say my house/land is worth $1,000,000, doesn't mean the bank/lender is going to agree with me and loan me that amount.
What RIDICULOUS BS this whole post is...and WHY I ALWAYS say lefties CANNOT be REAL Americans. Your politics are WAY more important than your Country ever was.
Your so funny Ron. You know I am not a lefty. And you also know this post is valid. But I will just keep that between you and me.
Not necessarily. But if your argument is that this is at least partly political......of course it is. I don't disagree with that at all. But that's what politicians do. Did the republicans really give a shit that Clinton got a blow job in the oval office? Would they care about Hunter Biden if there wasn't political gain involved?
If Donald Trump didn't want this kind of scrutiny he should have stayed out of politics. Both parties attack the other wherever they see cracks.......and Trump's problem is that he has cracks everywhere and creates more on a regular basis.
And do republicans have an argument that its a problem that Letitia James campaigned partly on going after Trump.......absolutely they do and hopefully this gets pushed at some point because this kind of thing shouldn't stand. But that doesn't alter the fact that Donald Trump committed massive fraud here.
Allegedly committed fraud. But, based on the way the judge just summarily decided that Mar-A-Lago was only worth $18 Million, I have no faith that it will even be a fair trial. Here is a question for you. Isn't it the responsibility of the Accounting Firm to determine that a company's financial information is correct? At the time, they determined or didn't push back when Trump determined the value. If he was grossly overflating it, why did they sign off on it? Is it possible, that at that time, real estate was booming, the Accounting Firm signed off on it, so Trump thought the value was reasonable.
Couple things.....first, the judge didn't decide that Mar-A-Lago was worth $18Million. He used the property tax appraisal as a comparison. And certainly the property values are going to be lower than actual fair market value......but the discrepancies here where so absurdly off it didn't matter. And its not an alleged fraud......that decision has already been made by the judge. It is fraud. And if you look at all the numbers and the 10 year time frame there is no reasonable argument otherwise....which is what the judge said. There was really no disputing the facts.
Second part....and I am actually qualified to answer this part. There was no audit.....so the accounting firm did not attest to any values or the validity of the financial statements. They didn't sign off on that.....it was all up to the Trump people internally.
Now WHY didn't Trump get an audit where the independent accountants would look at this stuff.......well that is an interesting question isn't it.
And there is no way Trump thought the values where reasonable and there is actually proof of that. Because he didn't cheat only on the value of his property in Trump towers. What he did there was lie about the square footage. So the value per square foot wasn't the only issue......the primary fraud was how many square feet it was. And he added roughly 3 times the footage (something like 30 thousand instead of 11 thousand), so its not possible that it was a mistake or a judgement on the value.
45 sets the record straight. @Illegal-shift take notes so you will know what's actually happening in this case.
This is what blows my mind about the way you are posting. You mention 18 million for his place. Do you realize Hunter can sell 36 of his paintings that he is selling for 500k a piece(To a CCP backed company) and he only need 36 of them to buy ir. I think that is 10,000 times more egregious....and you fail to mention things like that. You fail to mention the whole Brandon family fleecing CCP, Russia , Romania, and Ukraine for FIFTY million selling access to our government policies...you argue about things that there were ZERO damages. I just do not get that.
Real estate valuations are completely knowable and can be done with outside firms.
If the banks, Deutsche Bank, in this case was worried, and yes, their risk management team should have been, why not…
…go get a set of appraisers to, perhaps, wait for it, find out the value? It might cost, under 100k.
Also, is she really trying to get restitution for these money center banks to make even MORE money? Really??
Hers is politically motivated and even if you hate Trump should scare you to the core.
Ok Fresno.....sorry it took me so long to answer this, but I am a man of my word. You may not be interested in getting back into this now (and reading all this) which is also fine......but I knew this was going to be a long post and I needed to have a little time to get back into it and time has been stretched for me lately. This is an important topic to me so I wanted to be reasonably thorough. Remember that reasonably minds often differ and there is nothing personal here.....just two guys discussing something they happen to disagree on. I wanted to say that because I know sometimes my posts come across more abrasive than I intend them to. And I am sure I will spell something wrong or have some typo's.....so be gentle on that part as I am not proof reading this.
OK point #1........there is no real legal significance to a document like this. its probably why nothing like this was brought into any of the lawsuits.....it just doesn't mean much in court. This was my opinion, but I also ran it by my son who is an attorney an he agreed with me. All you really have is somebody saying they saw someone else cheat....so it simply becomes a he said/she said in court because certainly the other side will disagree with that statement. There is, of course, the distinct probability that the other side would have more than one person stating that this didn't happen because the guy pointed to several people. So without any corroborating evidence of any kind this becomes a big nothing-burger legally. Now perhaps if you have several people saying the same thing at the same counting place that might be different, but that isn't asserted here. And you would probably need a number of people to tilt the scale in your favor.
Point #2....How do you have any confidence that this is even valid? All it is, is a piece of paper with a notary public stamp. Anyone could make that up. Who is it that signed it.....a real person? Lets assume it is......is that person a Trump supporter? You really don't think people would lie with this kind of thing? Consider what you are saying when you take that position........you are accusing democrats of committing blatant election fraud (a punishable crime for sure) in big numbers, all of them lying to cover it up (basically living a lie) and essential subverting the democratic process that we have built our country on. Free and fair elections are one of the primary pillars of American society. So you are making that incredibly damning accusation against, apparently, a whole bunch of democrats and yet...............................you don't think a republican would lie on a simple affidavit for which there is virtually no chance of them ever having to pay any penalty for lying about? I am sorry my friend, but you need rejoin me back on planet Earth if that's really your opinion here. I have watched politics for 40 years and the one thing I have learned for absolute certainty is that both sides are capable of some pretty bad corruption. And this doesn't even have to be a lot of people....one person could be firing off a bunch of these if they wanted to. So is it possible that this is just a fraud......of course it is.
What is interesting here to me is how you guys tend to go about this.......you are very skeptical of the media and pretty much anything to do with the government or anything that comes from the government........and yet you pull something like this off the internet and you don't apply the same standard of skepticism to it. Anything off the internet should be taken with a grain of salt......don't you think? I agree the media has its problems......but the internet information is even worse and far less reliable, IMHO.
Point #3.....I really touched on this in point #2 but wanted to make sure its brought to light.....but a person signing this type of affidavit has virtually no risk in doing so......which lessens its value. Even if something like this went to court (which at this point we know it never will) it would be, again, a he said/she said so the person writing this really has no risk of perjury. And if you remove any risk it increases the liklihood that someone would lie about this or fake this.
Point #4.......OK, there are several specific points I can direct you to in the affidavit that don't really seem "believable" to me, but I am already getting tired of typing and I suspect if you made it this far you are tired of reading, so I will get to my bigger point. The specific cheating that is referred to here is essentially a counter crossing out a total and writing in another number. Really???? That doesn't pass the smell test at all for me. I am no expert on election counting protocol but everything I have seen would indicate that this just couldn't happen very often and certainly not systematically or in numbers that would make much of a difference. Its just WAY to easy. We have both parties represented everywhere........it just doesn't seem plausible. An aberration or rare occurrence maybe, but no way it would turn the numbers that are needed to change things. The democrats would have needed to change or add a million votes or more to alter the election and its just not possible, in my opinion for this kind of cheating to get there or even to get close. We are not talking about the 12,000 or so in Georgia....we are talking about Trump needing to flip, at a minimum, 3 states. So literally thousands of people would have needed to be involved and coordinated to accomplish this, all of whom would be risking jail time if any of the co-conspirators decide to come clean. Just not possible that this could have taken place and essentially be kept under wraps, IMO.
Point #5.......if this was really worth the paper it was printed on don't you think Trumps lawyers would have been all over it. While the affidavit itself isn't much in court, Trump people would surely have used it for public relations. I didn't watch all of the coverage of this.....so maybe they did bring this up and I missed it.....but they sure didn't follow through with it. Remember we are talking about people crazy enough to float the theory that our voting machines had some connection with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.........something for which they have been sued and basically lost their ability to practice law over. Don't you think they would have jumped on this and drilled down to the specific acts if possible? Did Fox news have interviews of these people? I really don't know....just asking that question....but if not, why not?
Last note on this....the bottom line for me is this kind of evidence just makes me feel more confident about my position. I feel like its.....really this is all you got to base your accusation on? This is incredibly flimsy, IMO.
Ok.......now give me your reasoning on why the 81 million votes don't make sense to you. Remember I am a numbers person, so don't bring anything weak because it won't fly. A lot of numbers stuff has come out since the election because most people really don't know how to interpret them. I guess I am going to test if you are one of those people or not (-; A bunch of this kind of thing has shown up in this forum......all bogus so far (at least the ones I looked into). But if you bring something strong I promise I will consider and acknowledge it. In the end all I want to do is get to the truth, but it has to be truth backed up by something. I can be influenced by a solid point of view.
Peace.
(or maybe I should say War and Peace - based on the length of this post)
Wait, I thought extreme MAGA republicans were the violent ones?
The most dangerous place you can be is between a liberal and grooming kids or killing babies.
The most dangerous place you can be is between a liberal and grooming kids or killing babies.
My goodness.
1) The banks are not the claimant here because they didn’t lose anything. Trust me, they’d have brought a suit if they did. They also have their own underwriters. If Trump was claiming a $1B asset that was really worth $18MM they would have caught that, especially on a massive loan.
(Furthermore, even you have to admit a valuation of $18MM on MLG is insane stupid)
2) The statute of limitations ran out on 80% of this case, that’s how stupid James is. Even the judge called her out for that….she doesn’t understand the basic tenets of the law, or maybe she doesn’t care. Remember - she ran on “getting Trump” before she ever saw one piece of evidence.
3) This is political theater and to prove it, as soon as Trump created a campaign moment in his statement yesterday she cried foul and banned him from the courtroom….the whole thing is a massive backfire and it’s awesome to watch.
How many times are you Libs going to try to kick the football?
There never was. There wasn't ever a case and it was never about getting a conviction.
Communist show trial, political theater, is all this ever was and the liberals LOVE it.
In fact, the Banks made a ton of $ off of Trump.
I believe not unless damages are an element of the crime being charged.
