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Ron DeSantis stands no chance against a political barbarian like Donald Trump...

The second amendment was and still is the way for the masses to protect their Constitutional rights from government intrusion. The founding fathers not only knew this but lived it. It's neither self defense nor hunting rights. "A well regulated militia". There's a reason no nation has invaded us before.

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The Atlantic and Pacific? I guess that wouldn’t stop Canada or Mexico. Yeah, they probably haven’t invaded because of the 2nd.
 
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The Atlantic and Pacific? I guess that wouldn’t stop Canada or Mexico. Yeah, they probably haven’t invaded because of the 2nd:
It's willful ignorance by the .Gov. Trust me when I say this, if the USA took the situation as seriously as it should be, Mexico would be building walls on both it's northern and southern borders to fix this shit. Trump hinted at that but the Deep State would have no part of it. :mad:
 
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I'm going to make some bold assumptions and go from there.

You think nutjobs like me shouldn't have unfettered access to weapons and ammo in quantity and feel that the safety concerns of the community override a fairly outdated amendment.

You think the government should be the ones in charge of that endeavor.

We began Operation Enduring Freedom in 2003.

During this conflict we transitioned from the M16A4 to the M4 Carbine as our main battle rifle. The original M4 is select fire three round burst, which makes it an NFA item and since it was manufactured after 1986 will never be sold to anyone without department letterhead from a law enforcement agency or written permission from a unit commander. The new M4 is select fire full auto because 3 round burst is worthless.

The Afghani people have been invaded by every great empire since Alexander the Great. And they still live there within the same nominal boundaries.

They do this with small arms, knowledge of terrain and and over arching desire to drive invaders out of their country.

We took Afghanistan in 6 months but we couldn't hold it, like the Russians before us.

That's because an invasion is military but an occupation is political, and asymmetrical warfare is designed to do more with less and destroy the enemy's will to fight.

To my point:

You want guns regulated by the government.

Here's some easily verified numbers that don't rely on a poll.

918,000

7 Billion

That first number is the quantity of M4 rifles that were unaccounted for before we got out of Afghanistan. Before.

For reference, there are 482,000 solders on active duty. There are 179,000 Marines on active duty. Those aren't just the shooters, that's the whole Army and Marine Corps.

That second number is the verified value of the weapons, equipment, vehicles and aviation assets abandoned in Afghanistan and now confirmed to be controlled by the Taliban.

This government shouldn't be trusted with a Nerf gun, and the bill of rights was written specifically to keep this kind of retardation at bay.
 
This has a "did Trump reject Duke's endorsement today" feel to it.
Maybe for you. I never cared that Duke did or did not endorse Trump. Because Trump's actions had never shown that Duke is the type of person he would associate with.

Up till about 6 months ago, I would have never believed that DeSantis would associate with RINOs like Ryan and Bush. Now, due to his behavior, I fear he may be.

DeSantis has had multiple chances to put these rumors to rest. He steadfastly refuses to do so.

That apparently isn't an issue to you. Your call, but it definitely is one for me.
 
The second amendment was and still is the way for the masses to protect their Constitutional rights from government intrusion. The founding fathers not only knew this but lived it. It's neither self defense nor hunting rights. "A well regulated militia". There's a reason no nation has invaded us before.

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I wonder if @GatorTheo has ever stopped to think how anyone survived The Wild West in the last half of the 19th century? Seems almost everyone had multiple guns and carried them on them at all times, yet the population of the Wild West exploded at the same time.

Wonder if he's ever thought to question how that happened.
 
I wonder if @GatorTheo has ever stopped to think how anyone survived The Wild West in the last half of the 19th century? Seems almost everyone had multiple guns and carried them on them at all times, yet the population of the Wild West exploded at the same time.

Wonder if he's ever thought to question how that happened.
Nobody watched more cowboy shows than I...literally. I thought that would be the life. Riding the range with my trusty six shooter.

Of course, I grew up. Now I just want to live peacefully among civilized people.
 
I wonder if @GatorTheo has ever stopped to think how anyone survived The Wild West in the last half of the 19th century? Seems almost everyone had multiple guns and carried them on them at all times, yet the population of the Wild West exploded at the same time.

Wonder if he's ever thought to question how that happened.
The shootout at the OK Corral was a direct result of gun control. The Earps banned sidearms in city limits. They went to do some disarming, someone got twitchy and the rest is history.
 
Nobody watched more cowboy shows than I...literally. I thought that would be the life. Riding the range with my trusty six shooter.

Of course, I grew up. Now I just want to live peacefully among civilized people.
People are only as civilized as the world allows them to be. When they can no longer afford to be civilized, they will have to take from someone else...like you.
 
Or maybe you're paranoid. I mean it's understandable with the gun industry/NRA rhetoric over the years.

Do you have a smoke alarm in your house? How about a fire extinguisher?

Are you afraid of a house fire or are you merely prepared in the unlikely event of a fire?

You seem to think just because you haven't been the victim of violent crime you never will.

And hopefully you never will.

But if you are, let's see how far your lack of fear gets you as compared to my preparedness and "paranoia."
 
Nobody watched more cowboy shows than I...literally. I thought that would be the life. Riding the range with my trusty six shooter.

Of course, I grew up. Now I just want to live peacefully among civilized people.
So you went from wanting a gun as a kid, to growing up and being terrified of them.
 
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Maybe for you. I never cared that Duke did or did not endorse Trump. Because Trump's actions had never shown that Duke is the type of person he would associate with.

Up till about 6 months ago, I would have never believed that DeSantis would associate with RINOs like Ryan and Bush. Now, due to his behavior, I fear he may be.

DeSantis has had multiple chances to put these rumors to rest. He steadfastly refuses to do so.

That apparently isn't an issue to you. Your call, but it definitely is one for me.

I've heard similar arguments made by people who hate Trump.

Agree to disagree.
 
So, you believe there were more defensive gun uses than actual gun crimes? Between 1,600+ and 4,100+ EVERY DAY? We'd be hearing about them all the time, right? Those numbers defy common sense.

Where do those numbers originate? They survey gun owners. What do you think they're going to say?

It'd be like surveying BLM people about how many times they've experienced racism. What do you think they're going to say? You think those totals would be remotely accurate?


Note: I'm not saying there aren't any defensive uses. I know there are. But those numbers are greatly exaggerated for obvious reasons.

So last week we had a call where a man took a girl out on their first date. As the evening is winding down, they're sitting on her couch just talking and getting to know one another.

At that moment her ex-boyfriend and another guy kick the door with the intention of kicking this new guys arse. It's 2 on 1 and both are bigger than he is...and of course they were violent enough to kick the door and frame into the house.

New guy pulls his legally owned firearm and says, "I don't want to shoot you, but I will." The girl asks new guy to leave "to avoid trouble" so he leaves but he calls us because he fears for her safety.

We arrive, the girl doesn't wish to press charges against her ex and just wants everyone to leave so no charges are filed.

So I ask you this...how is that defensive use of his weapon captured and listed as a legitimate defensive use in a survey like the one @EvilWayz listed? Short answer...it isn't.

Capper...3 nights later the 2nd guy, who helped the ex-boyfriend kick the door in, kills a young man who was allegedly sleeping with his ex-wife. The young man who was killed was not armed.
 
So last week we had a call where a man took a girl out on their first date. As the evening is winding down, they're sitting on her couch just talking and getting to know one another.

At that moment her ex-boyfriend and another guy kick the door with the intention of kicking this new guys arse. It's 2 on 1 and both are bigger than he is...and of course they were violent enough to kick the door and frame into the house.

New guy pulls his legally owned firearm and says, "I don't want to shoot you, but I will." The girl asks new guy to leave "to avoid trouble" so he leaves but he calls us because he fears for her safety.

We arrive, the girl doesn't wish to press charges against her ex and just wants everyone to leave so no charges are filed.

So I ask you this...how is that defensive use of his weapon captured and listed as a legitimate defensive use in a survey like the one @EvilWayz listed? Short answer...it isn't.

Capper...3 nights later the 2nd guy, who helped the ex-boyfriend kick the door in, kills a young man who was allegedly sleeping with his ex-wife. The young man who was killed was not armed.
And that kind of stuff happens THOUSANDS of times every single day?
 
And that kind of stuff happens THOUSANDS of times every single day?

I think the point is we have no idea how often that, or countless other scenarios that are somewhat similar in nature, occur every day.

We have 360 million people in this country. What would be an acceptable number for you so that people are allowed to defend themselves?

Give me a number since you don't like evilz.
 
not sure if serious? Theo, you’re uttering talking points from the radical left?
I'm far from the radical left....I'm just not a gun worshiper. I have no problem with responsible people being armed for protection or hunting or whatever but I think we have an insane number of guns in circulation and need to radically reduce that for the good of America.

And I truly believe gun nuts are nuts.
 
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If we go with the low number, 600k, that would be 32 per state per day.
Going with the low number is getting closer to reality but even with 32/day, seems like we'd be hearing about it way more often than we do.

I mean you'd have to be faced with some kind of danger (how often does that happen?), then you'd have to successfully repel it with a firearm.
 
not sure if serious? Theo, you’re uttering talking points from the radical left?
Sounds like he is more willing to trust the government over Americans when it comes to guns.

We saw this same mentality when it came to covid. How did trusting the government work then?
 
Going with the low number is getting closer to reality but even with 32/day, seems like we'd be hearing about it way more often than we do.

I mean you'd have to be faced with some kind of danger (how often does that happen?), then you'd have to successfully repel it with a firearm.
There's 21 million people in Florida. Factor in all the activities 21 million people are going to engage in all day, then pick 30 minutes worth of stories to share about those activities for a nightly newscast.

What you can't believe is that guns can be used to AVOID violence. Your mindset is that ownership = violence. Again, this is an emotional issue for you, not a logical one.
 
Sounds like he is more willing to trust the government over Americans when it comes to guns.

We saw this same mentality when it came to covid. How did trusting the government work then?
So, you oppose any law because it puts trust in the government instead of the people?
 
There's 21 million people in Florida. Factor in all the activities 21 million people are going to engage in all day, then pick 30 minutes worth of stories to share about those activities for a nightly newscast.

What you can't believe is that guns can be used to AVOID violence. Your mindset is that ownership = violence. Again, this is an emotional issue for you, not a logical one.
Have I ever said guns can't be used to avoid violence? Have I ever said ownership = violence. You just make stuff up in your desperation to defend guns.

You put the 'nut' in gun nut.
 
So, you oppose any law because it puts trust in the government instead of the people?
I'm commenting on the government scaring you into being scared about guns.

Earlier you talked about vested interests and how we had to realize the NRA had a vested interest in wanting us to own guns. Yet you miss the massive vested interest that the government has in Americans NOT owning guns.

The government got you emotional about this issue, and you're scared. The kid that was fearless who wanted to be a gun-toting cowboy grew up into a scared adult.

When you get emotional and rely on the government, that happens. How many covid shots did the government scare you into getting?
 
I'm commenting on the government scaring you into being scared about guns.

Earlier you talked about vested interests and how we had to realize the NRA had a vested interest in wanting us to own guns. Yet you miss the massive vested interest that the government has in Americans NOT owning guns.

The government got you emotional about this issue, and you're scared. The kid that was fearless who wanted to be a gun-toting cowboy grew up into a scared adult.

When you get emotional and rely on the government, that happens. How many covid shots did the government scare you into getting?
This is another funny thing gun nuts do.

You think the people who don't carry guns are the ones who are scared.

You think the people who do carry guns are big and brave.

That seems backwards to rational people.
 
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