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Ron DeSantis stands no chance against a political barbarian like Donald Trump...

Going with the low number is getting closer to reality but even with 32/day, seems like we'd be hearing about it way more often than we do.

I mean you'd have to be faced with some kind of danger (how often does that happen?), then you'd have to successfully repel it with a firearm.

I gave you one example from last week that you absolutely would have never heard about if I hadn't told you. And it wouldn't have been an FBI stat or any other stat for that matter.

Also, there's probably some value in a bad guy not being totally sure that their potential victim is or is not armed. Agree?

Out of 360 million people, 1,600 a day being in some type of potential danger where the prospect of a gun dissuaded the aggressor doesn't seem like an unreal number imo.

That's .004% of the population.
 
And I truly believe gun nuts are nuts.

What makes one a gun nut? Honest question. Is there a number? If so, I also seem to have a lot of tape measures (no idea why TBH). Am I potentially a tape measure nut?

The one thing that I would change about guns is that I wish gun owners would stop leaving them in their vehicles overnight. That's where 90% of them are stolen from and they make it into the wrong peoples hands. At the very least, LOCK YOUR FREAKING VEHICLE.
 
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When it came to Ron DeSantis, the bots aggressively suggested that the Florida governor couldn't beat Trump, but would be a great running mate.

As Republican voters size up their candidates for 2024, whoever created the bot network is seeking to put a thumb on the scale, using online manipulation techniques pioneered by the Kremlin to sway the digital platform conversation about candidates while exploiting Twitter's algorithms to maximize their reach.

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🤣 🤣 They are already starting their nonsense again just like with the Russia crap and 2016. The real truth is most of the twitter users are real Trump supporters posting that stuff while Desantis donors have paid off quite a few Republican influencers to push him non-stop. Trump may have paid a few influencers also but DeSantis has a bunch now that just recently started pushing him hard.
 
Let me ask you this super simple (I hope) question:

All these gun crimes in lefty cities with the tightest gun laws, yada, yada, yada......what are they using to commit their crimes?

(hint: they're using GUNS)
This is what I mean about emotional vs logical thinking.

The 'they' that are committing crimes are CRIMINALS.

You think removing the guns removes the crime. Because you are thinking emotionally about this issue, and not logically. If you remove the gun you STILL HAVE THE CRIMINAL. The criminal will simply pick another tool to commit crime. They will still kill someone, they just won't do it with a gun.

Emotional thinking vs logical. In your world, this is what would happen.

Criminal 1 - Hey Bob, I'm bored, wanna get our guns and go commit some crimes?

Criminal 2 - Yeah, that sounds awesome! But wait! We don't have any guns!

Criminal 1 -Drat! You're right, so that means we can't commit any crimes. Oh well, wanna go to church?
 
There's 21 million people in Florida. Factor in all the activities 21 million people are going to engage in all day, then pick 30 minutes worth of stories to share about those activities for a nightly newscast.

Most of these stories wouldn't make newscasts because the media wouldn't know about the stories.

People who carry may not even know that their presence, while being armed, prevented a crime from occurring.
 
Going with the low number is getting closer to reality but even with 32/day, seems like we'd be hearing about it way more often than we do.

I mean you'd have to be faced with some kind of danger (how often does that happen?), then you'd have to successfully repel it with a firearm.
Most of the time it doesn't get reported, because nothing bad actually happened because self defense prevented it. . And even if it were reported, as in a bad guy got shot, the media isn't interested in feel good stories because it derails their gun grabbing narrative.
 
This is another funny thing gun nuts do.

You think the people who don't carry guns are the ones who are scared.

You think the people who do carry guns are big and brave.

That seems backwards to rational people.

I think perhaps your thinking may be backwards. People who carry guns are probably more likely to intervene.

The homeless guy who was murdered in cold blood in St Louis a few days ago...if the guy who filmed his murder had been holding a gun instead of his phone, he could have saved that man's life instead of videoing his murder.
 
What makes one a gun nut? Honest question. Is there a number? If so, I also seem to have a lot of tape measures (no idea why TBH). Am I potentially a tape measure nut?

The one thing that I would change about guns is that I wish gun owners would stop leaving them in their vehicles overnight. That's where 90% of them are stolen from and they make it into the wrong peoples hands. At the very least, LOCK YOUR FREAKING VEHICLE.
A gun nut to me is someone who latches on to anything they see as pro-gun, no matter how ridiculous, and rejects anything they see as not pro-gun.

They're totally convinced of the following:

Anyone else who isn't 100% pro-gun wants to take all their guns away.

The government is itching to attack them and take their guns.

The answer to gun violence is MORE guns.

etc....
 
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This is what I mean about emotional vs logical thinking.

The 'they' that are committing crimes are CRIMINALS.

You think removing the guns removes the crime. Because you are thinking emotionally about this issue, and not logically. If you remove the gun you STILL HAVE THE CRIMINAL. The criminal will simply pick another tool to commit crime. They will still kill someone, they just won't do it with a gun.

Emotional thinking vs logical. In your world, this is what would happen.

Criminal 1 - Hey Bob, I'm bored, wanna get our guns and go commit some crimes?

Criminal 2 - Yeah, that sounds awesome! But wait! We don't have any guns!

Criminal 1 -Drat! You're right, so that means we can't commit any crimes. Oh well, wanna go to church?
Except if you take a criminal's gun, he goes and gets another one. Because he's a criminal and by virtue of that fact, doesn't follow laws. Disarming law abiding Americans has never been a good idea.
 
A gun nut to me is someone who latches on to anything they see as pro-gun, no matter how ridiculous, and rejects anything they see as not pro-gun.

They're totally convinced of the following:

Anyone else who isn't 100% pro-gun wants to take all their guns away.
Okm valid.
The government is itching to attack them and take their guns.
Bidens plans were on his presidential website. They aren't even pretending anymore, as Beto O Rourke.

The answer to gun violence is MORE guns.
"More Guns, Less crime." Dr. Gary Kleck. An FSU economist who set out to prove that guns are the problem and discovered he was wrong.

Not impressed. That's a pretty broad brush,
 
If it came down to having to collect weapons, government authorities would obviously be required.

You first. 😂

You're so brave that you don't even need to carry a gun, right? If it comes down to it, I'll help collect them if you come with me and knock on those doors.

It would be INCREDIBLY dangerous.
 
Most of the time it doesn't get reported, because nothing bad actually happened because self defense prevented it. . And even if it were reported, as in a bad guy got shot, the media isn't interested in feel good stories because it derails their gun grabbing narrative.
Nothing bad actually happened? Someone trying to commit a crime isn't a big deal? If someone tried to rob you and you had to pull your weapon, you wouldn't be telling everyone about it?
 
Yeah...NO. Not around salt water. I have laughed my whole life at Mercury outboards! Every time they come out with the "new and improved" supposedly the BEST motor ever...and they still brake. Nothing like old OMC's. Easy way to prove this is look at the ones being used still today. Almost NEVER see an old Merc that has been frequently used in salt water I would NOT buy a boat if it had one on it.
I've got one on my 19 foot boat. Not my choice, it came with boat used and it was a steal. I paid about 15% of what a new similar rig would cost today, and no wait for boat and engine. Two stroke carbureted engine and still runs like a champ, great compression. I will replace it with a four stroke when it dies but I can't kill it. 😂 Twice the gas milage will be definitely a plus. The new 4 stroke Merc saltwater series are as good as Yamis and hell of a lot cheaper. Zukes are great motors now as well.
 
Nothing bad actually happened? Someone trying to commit a crime isn't a big deal? If someone tried to rob you and you had to pull your weapon, you wouldn't be telling everyone about it?
He's got a point there. But me telling y'all and the guys I drink with is a far cry from a documented DGU suitable for study.
 
Okm valid.

Bidens plans were on his presidential website. They aren't even pretending anymore, as Beto O Rourke.


"More Guns, Less crime." Dr. Gary Kleck. An FSU economist who set out to prove that guns are the problem and discovered he was wrong.


Not impressed. That's a pretty broad brush,
In a 1992 survey, Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist, found that there are 2.5 million defensive gun uses (DGU's) per year by “law-abiding” citizens in the United States. Another study from the same period, the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), estimated 65,000 DGUs annually. The NCVS survey differed from Kleck’s study in that it only interviewed those who reported a threatened, attempted, or completed victimization for one of six crimes: rape, robbery, assault, burglary, non-business larceny, and motor vehicle theft. That accounts for the discrepancy in the two results. A National Research Council report said that Kleck's estimates appeared to be exaggerated and that it was almost certain that "some of what respondents designate[d] as their own self-defense would be construed as aggression by others" (Understanding and Preventing Violence, 266, Albert J. Reiss, Jr. & Jeffrey A. Roth, eds., 1992).

The 2.5 million figure would lead us to conclude that, in a serious crime, the victim is three to four times more likely than the offender to have and use a gun. Although the criminal determines when and where a crime occurs, although pro-gun advocates claim that criminals can always get guns, although few potential victims carry guns away from home, the criminal, according to Kleck’s survey, is usually outgunned by the individual he is trying to assault, burglarize, rob or rape.

Kleck’s survey also included gun uses against animals and did not distinguish civilian uses from military of police uses. Kleck’s Interviewers do not appear to have questioned a random individual at a given telephone number, but rather asked to speak to the male head of the household. Males from the South and West were oversampled. The results imply that many hundreds of thousands of murders should have been occurring when a private gun was not available for protection. Yet guns are rarely carried, less than a third of adult Americans personally own guns, and only 27,000 homicides occurred in 1992.
 
Nothing bad actually happened? Someone trying to commit a crime isn't a big deal? If someone tried to rob you and you had to pull your weapon, you wouldn't be telling everyone about it?
You'd tell the police, they would investigate. As for the media?

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The 2.5 million figure would lead us to conclude that, in a serious crime, the victim is three to four times more likely than the offender to have and use a gun.
And why do you suppose that is?

there's only 81 million gun owners out of 360 million citizens. Florida leads the nation in concealed weapons permits with 2.5 million but theres a ton of places you can't go with a gun.

Now what do you suppose happens to that number if you start taking all those extra guns you don't like? The criminals keep theirs because we don't know they have them, and that 3-4 number goes to 9-10.

What kind of backwards ass logic is that?
 
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Anyone else who isn't 100% pro-gun wants to take all their guns away.

The government is itching to attack them and take their guns.

The answer to gun violence is MORE guns.

Not "anyone" I guess (meaning not every person who is uncomfortable around guns) wants to disarm American citizens but certainly a lot of them do. We know this because many of them say so...directly.

The government is made up of people. Some of those people freely admit that they want to abolish the 2nd amendment. It's not an opinion here...it's a verifiable fact that you are well aware of.

Responsible American gun owners ABSOLUTELY deter crime. If you were going to rob someone or burglarize a home, would you choose the armed person or the unarmed person?
 
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And why do you suppose that is?

there's only 81 million gun owners out of 360 million citizens. Florida leads the nation in concealed weapons permits with 2.5 million but theres a ton of places you can't go with a gun.

Now what do you suppose happens to that number if you start taking all those extra guns you don't like? The criminals keep theirs because we don't know they have them, and that 3-4 number goes to 9-10.

What kind of backwards ass logic is that?
You misunderstood what he said. He's saying 2.5M dgus is inferring that victims are more likely to be armed that the perps. Not the other way around.

Like there's more dgus than actual gun crimes.
 
The answer to gun violence is MORE guns.

etc....
Logically, you know this is true. But emotionally, you can't admit it. Your irrational fear of guns overrides your logic.

If someone is planning on shooting a school at random, they have settled on two choices.

Choice A has a sign out front that states "GUN FREE ZONE"

Choice B has a sign out front that states "ARMED SECURITY ON SITE 24/7"


Which school gets shot up? You know it's Choice A, because the criminal knows there are no guns there.

More guns at the second school led to LESS gun violence there.


Logical thinking vs emotional thinking.
 
You misunderstood what he said. He's saying 2.5M dgus is inferring that victims are more likely to be armed that the perps. Not the other way around.

Like there's more dgus than actual gun crimes.
Again, let's look at this logically:

Let's take 100 instances where a criminal killed an unarmed victim.

If every one of those 100 victims were armed and trained on how to operate a gun for self-defense, how many of them would be alive today?

More guns equals less gun violence. Logically you know this, but emotionally you are afraid to admit it.
 
Again, let's look at this logically:

Let's take 100 instances where a criminal killed an unarmed victim.

If every one of those 100 victims were armed and trained on how to operate a gun for self-defense, how many of them would be alive today?

More guns equals less gun violence. Logically you know this, but emotionally you are afraid to admit it.
Solid logic!

More cars = fewer accidents.

More drugs = fewer ODs.

More knives = fewer stabbings.

More fast food = less obesity.

Finally, we are on the same page!
 
Solid logic!

More cars = fewer accidents.

More drugs = fewer ODs.

More knives = fewer stabbings.

More fast food = less obesity.

Finally, we are on the same page!
Less driver's license requirements, more DUI's.
Less bail requirements, higher the crime rate.
When murder becomes illegal, we'll solve the murder problem.
Fewer laws, fewer criminals?

We can play this game all day long.
 
You misunderstood what he said. He's saying 2.5M dgus is inferring that victims are more likely to be armed that the perps. Not the other way around.

Like there's more dgus than actual gun crimes.
Oh, thanks for the Intel.

Suddenly 2.5 million is a reasonable number?

Bygones.

You're mistaken. A crime that was stopped by a gun doesn't magically become something else. It's still a crime. It's just not a successful one.
 
Less driver's license requirements, more DUI's.
Less bail requirements, higher the crime rate.
When murder becomes illegal, we'll solve the murder problem.
Fewer laws, fewer criminals?

We can play this game all day long.
You failed to follow the pattern.

You gotta say "more XYZ solves a problem caused by XYZ."
 
Such a RACIST statement. Let me give you a lesson you need to learn, honey...if you cannot say a statement the other way (bitter black men are pissed) it probably should not be said. I will bet "bitter white men" pay a FAR, FAR larger amount of taxes in America than ANY group.
Okay honey.
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Solid logic!

More cars = fewer accidents.

More drugs = fewer ODs.

More knives = fewer stabbings.

More fast food = less obesity.

Finally, we are on the same page!
Once again, you are thinking emotionally. You totally ignored where I said the 100 victims would be PROPERLY TRAINED ON USING GUNS FOR SELF DEFENSE.

More cars with owners who are PROPERLY TRAINED ON HOW TO USE THEM absolutely results in fewer accidents.

Owners being responsible leads to fewer accidents. Again, you know this logically,

Your emotions are the issue.
 
You failed to follow the pattern.

You gotta say "more XYZ solves a problem caused by XYZ."
It's all nonsensical comparisons without context. For example, more guns in the hands of responsible citizens definitely will lead to fewer assaults, robberies, and save lives per capita. Guns aren't going away, and the bad guys will have regardless of the laws. Making them illegal isn't going to change that one iota.
 
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Once again, you are thinking emotionally. You totally ignored where I said the 100 victims would be PROPERLY TRAINED ON USING GUNS FOR SELF DEFENSE.

More cars with owners who are PROPERLY TRAINED ON HOW TO USE THEM absolutely results in fewer accidents.

Owners being responsible leads to fewer accidents. Again, you know this logically,

Your emotions are the issue.
Why are you yelling? Calm down.
 
Why are you yelling? Calm down.
Probably a good idea that neither of us have a gun. Amusing that the people who are least equipped and emotionally stable to handle a firearm, are the same people who are irrationally scared to death of them.

God has a sense of humor.
 
A gun nut to me is someone who latches on to anything they see as pro-gun, no matter how ridiculous, and rejects anything they see as not pro-gun.

They're totally convinced of the following:

Anyone else who isn't 100% pro-gun wants to take all their guns away. WRONG

The government is itching to attack them and take their guns. 100% true AND stupid people feel this way

The answer to gun violence is MORE guns. Kind of.....CCL (like me) carriers CAN help


etc....
 
I've got one on my 19 foot boat. Not my choice, it came with boat used and it was a steal. I paid about 15% of what a new similar rig would cost today, and no wait for boat and engine. Two stroke carbureted engine and still runs like a champ, great compression. I will replace it with a four stroke when it dies but I can't kill it. 😂 Twice the gas milage will be definitely a plus. The new 4 stroke Merc saltwater series are as good as Yamis and hell of a lot cheaper. Zukes are great motors now as well.
I have a VERY good friend who owned Adventure Marine in FWB (and Destin sunrise Marine) who told me the same thing. Problem is I just can never own one from VERY long-standing deep beliefs. Now I am not using all my brains here...because even though I have owned many boats over 50 years.......he knows more than I do. This is more personal than logical. I also have never owned a Ford or a Chrysler! LOL
 
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100% true. I've seen it more times than I can count.

They usually buy them from a guy who stole them out of some dudes unlocked vehicle.
Theo thinks if you make guns illegal...criminals will follow the laws and stay away from all guns. When in REALITY...law abiding people will be at the criminals will because we will not be able to adequately defend ourselves. This will REALLY make crime plummet! LOLOL Fugin STUPID people
 
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