Assuming Dan does what is necessary, who are some good DC's out there that we have a legit shot at?
What DC could we get
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You want Adam Fuller? I think pacos choice is the young hot little thang running around out there. Not sure who is available but im not sure if you get a huge upgrade over Grantham. There are just not a lot of elite DCs out there that are currently DCs.... You have to reach like we did for Pruitt. If you cant find a proven dc do you think UF should "roll the dice" on an unproven but high potential guy like we did with pruitt?
Certainly no thanks to Adam Fuller. He’s bad. I do agree with you that there isn’t a lot of elite DCs out there. Asher from Texas gets very positive reviews and is well thought of but they didn’t have a very good defense this year either but lots of people speak highly of him.
Barry Odom at Arkansas I think has done well with what he had to work with.
I watched his defense enough at Memphis. It was like watching an old lady try to fill her water jug at the water spicket while not knowing she had a strainer bowl.
Lmfao.... Hes garb for sure. You think you guys looked confused on defense..... We gave up 21 yards per play in the 1st half to a 3 win team... Yikes
Strong back would be a no-brainer...doubt he would come though...but man, if he did, talk about getting the band back together...whew...
Again. If Strong haven't coached at Florida, not a single one of you would mention him.
I also don't know if his defensive schemes have updated for modern offenses.
I also don't know if his defensive schemes have updated for modern offenses.
This would be my question, has he adapted? This happened to Mickey Andrews.... His schemes became very easy to beat once recruiting changed and he didnt have the fastest and the best every game
I'm with Danny.
However on another note Grantham has never had it to adapt. Modern or old school.
and apparently, we’re all gonna sit here and just act like it isn’t a big deal that pass started this thread....
SAD,
Only because he was too lazy to use one of the other preexisting threads discussing / ripping Grantham -
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...ement-when-he-leaves-uf-who-do-we-hire.96797/
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/grantham-out.97515/#post-1855558
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/grantham.97425/
Thisthisthisthisthis.
Give me the young guy with new ideas.
Honestly, football is all offense now and you will never see another truly stifling defense (unless they adjust the rules). This is due to the restrictions on tackling and targeting and all that. Defenses aren't allowed to be intimidating any more. No longer can you punish a WR for going across the middle, or blow up a RB, or, well, touch a QB.
Having said that, all these old timey DC's had defenses that succeeded because they did those exact things. They don't seem to be able to adjust to a post-intimidation era style. Would like to see a young guy, with some new ideas, get a shot. If he can get them lined up on time and know their assignments, he'd already be better than Grantham.
I agree with a lot of this. Offenses are being favored in both college and the NFL. I don’t ever see defenses really being dominant anymore which is fine, they just can’t be as bad as ours. I do struggle with the amount of defensive pass interference calls that seem to be called these days. Way too many calls for ticky tack stuff
LG89,
Totally agree; you make your points extremely well !
You & Nick Saban think alike - current DC for Bama is Pete Golding - age 36..
Golding has been on Nick Saban's staff for three years coaching the inside linebackers; and is in his 2nd year as the Crimson Tide's defensive coordinator after serving as the co-defensive coordinator in his 1st year - 2018.
Golding came to Tuscaloosa after coaching defensive backs and handling the defensive coordinator duties at the University of Texas-San Antonio in 2016 and 2017
Saban has surrounded Golding & the rest of his staff with numerous analyst for a reason.
Found this article extremely interesting -
Alabama Football: How much do analysts add to Crimson Tide staff
https://bamahammer.com/2020/02/19/alabama-football-analysts-crimson-tide-staff/
"Butch Jones, Major Applewhite, Mike Stoops and now Charlie Strong are serious about football. Each of them brings to Tuscaloosa a skill set of value. Hoping to use their time working for Nick Saban as a springboard to future on-field opportunities is smart.
Plus, they can share the off-field workload that otherwise might over-burden the on-field, assistant coaching staff.
No Crimson Tide assistant coach or analyst will ever fundamentally change a Nick Saban defense. They must all work within Nick’s system. Inside that constraint is plenty of room for tweaks. Having those extra, experienced minds analyzing opposing offenses is of great value.
If Pete Golding has the super-sharp, young mind Nick Saban thinks he has, he will welcome Charlie Strong ‘s experience. The coaching association could pay off for both of them. "
My thoughts were similar to yours - find a young INNOVATIVE DC currently coaching for a smaller schools who would, presumably, want to advance to coaching in the SEC & making a lot more money ! LOL
Found these coaches I liked -
ESPN uses Yds/game for ranking purposes; I would use Pts/game
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team/_/view/defense
Marcus Freeman -Age 34 - Cincinnati 9-0; AP #6; ESPN Defense #10 - 310.8 yds/game;
16.0 Pts/game
Scott Symons - Age 34 - Liberty 9-1; AP #23; ESPN Defense #7; 301.2 yds/game;
19.2 Pts/game
Patrick Toney - Age 30 - Louisiana 9-1; AP #16; ESPN Defense #28; 347.8 yds/game;
21.8 Pts/game
For Comparison -
Pete Golding - Age 36 - Bama 11-0; AP #1; ESPN Defense #33; 351.2 yds/game;
19.5 Pts/game
Todd Grantham - Age 54 - UF Gators 8-3; AP #10; ESPN Defense #61; 404.7 yds/game;
28.6 Pts/game
ESPN Offensive stats - Bama #5; Gators #9
As many posters have pointed out - a great offense & a decent defense will win a lot of games & sell a lot of tickets !
Gators had the great offense; but with Grantham as DC; defense sucked !
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Just not Randy Shannon. UCF's defense is way worse than ours.
Paco,
True;
BUT he had some great players to disguise his shortcomings as a coach
Plus he could play defense through intimidation !
You act as if he died and later rose from the tomb...oh wait
It will help more than we will ever know. Lol or whatever that line was back then.
I'm not familiar with young, up and coming assistants ready to step into a DC role. JfJ posted a bunch; of that group, I think I liked the DC at Liberty the best, but WTF do I know?
A year ago SaturdayDownSouth listed the top 25 defensive play callers, the list follows. But Grantham is #9. His stock probably came down some after this year, but still - Can we upgrade the position by running him off? Just asking.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
The SDS Top 25: Ranking the best defensive play-callers in college football
These are the best defensive minds in college football entering the 2019 season.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
A year ago SaturdayDownSouth listed the top 25 defensive play callers, the list follows. But Grantham is #9. His stock probably came down some after this year, but still - Can we upgrade the position by running him off? Just asking.
[/QUOTEMy take on Grantham is this yes he is a very knowledge DC . Just not at that level anymore for a program like Florida that strives to play for a championship. He is just not good enough to get you over that hump .The SDS Top 25: Ranking the best defensive play-callers in college football
These are the best defensive minds in college football entering the 2019 season.
Leavitt as the DC, Mike Leach as the OC, Mangino as TE coach, and we'll find room on the basketball for Billy Gillespie and of course Bob Knight.
A year ago SaturdayDownSouth listed the top 25 defensive play callers, the list follows. But Grantham is #9. His stock probably came down some after this year, but still - Can we upgrade the position by running him off? Just asking.
The SDS Top 25: Ranking the best defensive play-callers in college football
These are the best defensive minds in college football entering the 2019 season.
SAS needs to rename themselves as DAF.
2018 = #9 Defense in the Nation
2019 - #7 Defense in the Nation.
2020 - What a moronic loser, fire his ass....
PS
Recruiting? UF's top 4 rated 2021 recruits are #2 CB, #5 SDE, #8 WDE, #6 S.
So obviously no decent recruits want to play for that know nothing chump... 😏
Carry on....... 🤣
2019 - #7 Defense in the Nation.
2020 - What a moronic loser, fire his ass....
PS
Recruiting? UF's top 4 rated 2021 recruits are #2 CB, #5 SDE, #8 WDE, #6 S.
So obviously no decent recruits want to play for that know nothing chump... 😏
Carry on....... 🤣
Honest answer LG. I will join you on the podium of those who don't know but aren't afraid to admit it.............jim
His defense would have been ranked higher this year if he would have had three 1-AA teams to pad his stats against.
I don't care what his stats were in prior years, every year we have had the same thing, total shutdown of little guys, bend over and take it from teams with a pulse. This year, with all SEC teams, he was totally exposed, to the point his career may be over. Can't make it any plainer than that.
