With the bare minimum of years as a HC, Mcelwain has certainly proven he's a good Head coach, he's won double digit games at separate levels and also the hardest level in the sport to do it in his first year with so much nonsense to deal with. Winning double digit games should become the norm for him at UF
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So, according to recruiting's version of Hoyle, UF has to get 5 stars at every position, every year, or they can't win anything worthwhile?
Well, I guess that means that the Gator's have never been any good ever, cause they've never been able to suit their detractors...----
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IF UF needs to play both Miami and FSU every year, then why don't they have to play LSU, UGA, Tn, and half a dozen other SEC teams every year, with a good chance of having to play Bama if they happen to make it to the SEC-C game?
They never want to ANSWER this question: IF you really wanted to play UF every season, then why didn't both of you chicken-chits join a real conference when given the opportunity? (the answer is already underlined)
False. Pay attention to the details. Who said UF needs five stars at every position?
Go look at their classes when they were winning championships. It's a couple five stars per year. 12-15 four stars, in that range. And you fill in wth a handful of 3 stars. Nothing has changed with This. That's why his recruiting will need to improve to get to that next level.
If you are referring to Fsu joining a real conference? First off, it's irrelevant here. Since they play UF every year. It's funny how you pay attention to the one time they declined the SEC and not the dozen or so times previous when that role was flipped. UF even sponsored FSU to join the SEC many times, and they were always kept from joining. For 30 years, Fsu was stopped from joining the SEC almost a dozen times. It is what it is. Amazing they can have a tougher schedule than Florida this year and probably next yEar, since they are in the ACC. How can that happen?
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Wait? Where's Mac? He's not on the list and Jimbo is 3rd? No way. Has to be a typo. Mac won 10 entire games last year and made Trask into an elite QB. He has to be #1 at this.
Wait? Where's Mac? He's not on the list and Jimbo is 3rd? No way. Has to be a typo. Mac won 10 entire games last year and made Trask into an elite QB. He has to be #1 at this.
Lord, now you are reaching a little hard. The guy has coached one whole year at a P5 school and you are comparing him to coaches who have been coaching for multiple years. Back to my first thought, you are being a typical Nole message board troll.
Let's give it at least four years and see the list then. Mc may or may not be in the top 10.
Such delicate sensibilities among FSU fans. Read the subject of this thread, please.
I'm obviously being sarcastic and it's only a joke. Nobody needs to take anything too serious on here.
My point is some people think because Trask has looked good in camp so he's elite, or Mac won 10 games last year that he is some master evaluator of talent. That his 3 stars, are equal to other teams 4 or 5 stars (INSTA). That logic is flawed.
I understand being optimists and I would find any positives to focus on as well. But it's also fair for me to say that Mac hasn't done anything as a whole, with his recruits. One or two players have splashed but we won't know what Mac is until his entire roster is made of of his players and see how he compares. He won 10 games primarily with Mus's players.... and ran the 110th best offense in the nation with Grier for half the season. He's proved to be an above average recruiter but not an elite recruiter. He's struggled to recruit against Jimbo so far. He's a good game day coach as well. We shall see what he does this year.
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Many-Delusional-Memories just keeps on yappin' away, don't he...
He must have missed (or willfully chooses to ignore) the Trask thread that includes his HS coaches comments, among several others. I know he hasn't spent any time with Kyle's Hudi Highlight film.
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Mc-staff's Recruiting with only 18 months on campus so far.
#20. UF 21 (2015) With just 2 months to recruit: 6 Top 300, 13 ***'s
(Got 2 *****'s on NSD, #1 OT Martez Ivey & #2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson)
#12. UF 25 (2016) 7 Top 300's, 2 JuCo Top 50's, 15 ****'s, 9 ***'s, #1 Kicker flipped from Ala/Saban.
(Got two more *****'s, #2 DE Antonneous Clayton and #1 RB Mark Thompson)
So that's 4 *****'s, 21 ****'s out of 46 recruits, even with only 2 months to recruit the 2015 class.
#??. UF 7 (2017) 3 Top 300's, 5 are 4 stars, 2 are 345 pound DT/NT 3 stars.
(with 7+ months to go until NSD on what will be a small 18-21 class)
And Mc-Flipper has already taken 13 recruits away that were committed elsewhere.
~ IMOHO, you understand squat....
He must have missed (or willfully chooses to ignore)
the Trask thread that includes his HS coaches comments, among several others. I know he hasn't spent any time with Kyle's Hudi Highlight film. =======
Mc-staff's Recruiting with only 18 months on campus so far.
#20. UF 21 (2015) With just 2 months to recruit: 6 Top 300, 13 ***'s
(Got 2 *****'s on NSD, #1 OT Martez Ivey & #2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson)
#12. UF 25 (2016) 7 Top 300's, 2 JuCo Top 50's, 15 ****'s, 9 ***'s, #1 Kicker flipped from Ala/Saban.
(Got two more *****'s, #2 DE Antonneous Clayton and #1 RB Mark Thompson)
So that's 4 *****'s, 21 ****'s out of 46 recruits, even with only 2 months to recruit the 2015 class.
#??. UF 7 (2017) 3 Top 300's, 5 are 4 stars, 2 are 345 pound DT/NT 3 stars.
(with 7+ months to go until NSD on what will be a small 18-21 class)
And Mc-Flipper has already taken 13 recruits away that were committed elsewhere.
~ IMOHO, you understand squat....
Insta, are you still doing that weird thing where you cherry pick which recruiting service you trust based on which one rates each of our recruits the highest? Are you also doing that with the class rank? I ask because we were 14th on Rivals and 13th on the 247 composite last year, yet you have it at 12th.
In either case, it was a historically bad class, the worst on paper for a non-transition class at UF in modern history. That it came in the bump year, when all new coaches have their easiest time on the recruiting trail should be very concerning for all of us.
Hopefully "McNuss" figures that side of the equation out soon, because not even Kyle Trask is going to save us from having to face 4-5 teams with more talent than us every year if that trend doesn't reverse.
In either case, it was a historically bad class, the worst on paper for a non-transition class at UF in modern history. That it came in the bump year, when all new coaches have their easiest time on the recruiting trail should be very concerning for all of us.
Hopefully "McNuss" figures that side of the equation out soon, because not even Kyle Trask is going to save us from having to face 4-5 teams with more talent than us every year if that trend doesn't reverse.
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Insta, are you still doing that weird thing where you cherry pick which recruiting service you trust based on which one rates each of our recruits the highest? Are you also doing that with the class rank? I ask because we were 14th on Rivals and 13th on the 247 composite last year, yet you have it at 12th.
In either case, it was a historically bad class, the worst on paper for a non-transition class at UF in modern history. That it came in the bump year, when all new coaches have their easiest time on the recruiting trail should be very concerning for all of us.
Hopefully "McNuss" figures that side of the equation out soon, because not even Kyle Trask is going to save us from having to face 4-5 teams with more talent than us every year if that trend doesn't reverse.
If he's not cherry picking which service to use, he has admitted that he just makes them up on his own. Allen is a 5 star, according to INSTA.
Many-Delusional-Memories just keeps on yappin' away, don't he...
He must have missed (or willfully chooses to ignore)
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Mc-staff's Recruiting with only 18 months on campus so far.
#20. UF 21 (2015) With just 2 months to recruit: 6 Top 300, 13 ***'s
(Got 2 *****'s on NSD, #1 OT Martez Ivey & #2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson)
#12. UF 25 (2016) 7 Top 300's, 2 JuCo Top 50's, 15 ****'s, 9 ***'s, #1 Kicker flipped from Ala/Saban.
(Got two more *****'s, #2 DE Antonneous Clayton and #1 RB Mark Thompson)
So that's 4 *****'s, 21 ****'s out of 46 recruits, even with only 2 months to recruit the 2015 class.
#??. UF 7 (2017) 3 Top 300's, 5 are 4 stars, 2 are 345 pound DT/NT 3 stars.
(with 7+ months to go until NSD on what will be a small 18-21 class)
And Mc-Flipper has already taken 13 recruits away that were committed elsewhere.
~ IMOHO, you understand squat....
Oh his high school coaches comments, GOTCHA. Now I see...
Nope BBBbbbbubba, I'm again emphasizing that I don't trust any of the 'low salaried chumps' at any of the recruiting services to judge the players that Mc-staff brings in. My W-a-G is just as good as theirs,,, imoho anyway.
So if you want to worship at their alter/s, feel free to do so. NEVER TRUST ANY RANKING THAT I MIGHT (ferociously) POST, go stand in their circle and jerk it for yourself.
Is Kylan Johnson a 2 star QB-DT, or a 3 star SS, or a 4 star LB, for example?
That might finally get answered in his coming rsFr season.
Is Kyle Trask a 2 star HS backup QB, or a 4-5 star QB-PP for the Gators like Nuss believes?
Similar answer, we don't know for sure yet, and neither do the amateur recruiting guru's.
Is Cowart the 5 star and CeCe the 4 star, as some have done the rankings, or is it vice-versa as has been demonstrated by them both on the field so far?
Now, LET ME BE CRYSTAL CLEAR HERE FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS.
I don't G-a-S what some fubar recruit ranker thinks. I trust Mc-staff to KNOW.
Any time I refer to recruit or team rankings, it's for conversation or debate purposes, not because I believe that any of them are player evaluation experts.
But hey, feel free to run to them and beg then to think for you some more, because they might actually be better at it in some cases....
So if you want to worship at their alter/s, feel free to do so. NEVER TRUST ANY RANKING THAT I MIGHT (ferociously) POST, go stand in their circle and jerk it for yourself.
Is Kylan Johnson a 2 star QB-DT, or a 3 star SS, or a 4 star LB, for example?
That might finally get answered in his coming rsFr season.
Is Kyle Trask a 2 star HS backup QB, or a 4-5 star QB-PP for the Gators like Nuss believes?
Similar answer, we don't know for sure yet, and neither do the amateur recruiting guru's.
Is Cowart the 5 star and CeCe the 4 star, as some have done the rankings, or is it vice-versa as has been demonstrated by them both on the field so far?
Now, LET ME BE CRYSTAL CLEAR HERE FOR THE SLOW LEARNERS.
I don't G-a-S what some fubar recruit ranker thinks. I trust Mc-staff to KNOW.
Any time I refer to recruit or team rankings, it's for conversation or debate purposes, not because I believe that any of them are player evaluation experts.
But hey, feel free to run to them and beg then to think for you some more, because they might actually be better at it in some cases....
Selective seeing is your forte' I guess, since you missed the 'among others and the Hudi.'
What is it that you can see, looking out from that warm dark place where you keep your head?
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lmaoYou should REALLY stop posting their rankings in every one of your posts then because you continuously undermine your position that you trust whatever the UF coach tells you. That you can say this so recently removed from Muschamp is just mind blowing...
Insta just posts the rankings for our benefit...or something. He REALLY doesn't care about stars though, he's just spent years compiling them. And when he can't find stars that agree with him, he just makes it up entirely. Can't you tell he doesn't care about stars?
Haha! So true. I bet he likes CECE's and CLAYTON's stars but then they don't matter when it's a lower star candidate. Typical circular jargon.
Insta just posts the rankings for our benefit...or something. He REALLY doesn't care about stars though, he's just spent years compiling them. And when he can't find stars that agree with him, he just makes it up entirely. Can't you tell he doesn't care about stars?
What an incredible, totally amazing coincidence that the teams with the most 4 -5 star players are the most successful. Imagine if you can how downright lucky those "low salary" amateur ranking services must be to accidentally assign stars year after year to players that go on to form the winningest teams and furthermore even become NFL pros at a much higher rate than lower star players. The data doesn't lie or waiver here, these are facts. But stars don't matter because ...........?
His argument is so invalid its not funny. Its not like we aren't offering the high ranked kids, we just don't land them so we get plan Bs. Now to Mac's defense he seems to have his plan B's well scouted, unlike Chump who just left those spots open because he had no plan B's. That said, Mac has interest and offers to all the high ranked kids, so its not like he is intentionally passing on them.
McElwain may do fine at UF, but Geoff Collins is well on his way to getting fired after the '17 or '18 season. I've never seen anything like this defensive recruiting at UF. It's shocking. If you look at the 2015-2017 classes, UF has landed 3 Rivals 250 defensive players. For perspective, LSU has landed 15; FSU 18; during that same span. McElwain may do big things, but it will only be with a revamped staff on D in my opinion. A huge drop off in defensive performance after the 2016 season is inevitable at this point. It's too late to avoid.
Maybe, but the good news in CFB these days is that it only takes one year to flip around. With so many kids leaving after 3 years, freshman make an impact in a big way. Hence why we are now seeing so many incredible short term turn arounds.
We can all say anything now, because the answers are still years down the road.
And just like all of the 7 wins or less predictions from last year, those that were FoS will conveniently forget what they said. Typical.
Musclecramp's last season, UF was #8 in Total Defense.
Collins, (can't coach) somehow managed to finish #8 in the nation in Total Defense for 2015.
But more of the musclecramp's recruited players left this year, so we're doomed for 2016. I guess they should just go ahead and call off playing the 2016 season....
Pardon me, but didn't a 2 star DE play some last season for that #8 defense?
And didn't several 2-3 star defense players shine in the Spring game?
Nope, no chance that the crappy low star Gators will even make a bowl this year.
Prediction on UF's W/L for the coming season please, since they have no quality players, or not enough anyway?
BTW - Where do the recruit rankers get their stars from?
A 2 star gets offered by a top school and suddenly he jumps up to a 3-4 star, while nothing else has changed. So stars matter some, but not much. It's their guess.
Coaches don't keep their jobs on star guesses from those that would never be hired as coaches. And please name the last coach that said that he did his recruiting by looking at a recruits stars?
Would any of you drop LB Kaylan Johnson because he was a 2 star QB in HS?
Would any of you drop QB Kyle Trask because he was a 2 star backup QB?
Yep you would, cause obviously they will never develop into anything because neither of them were ranked as 5 stars by those that you depend on to think for you....
Heck, Chris Doering and Louis Oliver were freakin' walkons....
And just like all of the 7 wins or less predictions from last year, those that were FoS will conveniently forget what they said. Typical.
Musclecramp's last season, UF was #8 in Total Defense.
Collins, (can't coach) somehow managed to finish #8 in the nation in Total Defense for 2015.
But more of the musclecramp's recruited players left this year, so we're doomed for 2016. I guess they should just go ahead and call off playing the 2016 season....
Pardon me, but didn't a 2 star DE play some last season for that #8 defense?
And didn't several 2-3 star defense players shine in the Spring game?
Nope, no chance that the crappy low star Gators will even make a bowl this year.
Prediction on UF's W/L for the coming season please, since they have no quality players, or not enough anyway?
BTW - Where do the recruit rankers get their stars from?
A 2 star gets offered by a top school and suddenly he jumps up to a 3-4 star, while nothing else has changed. So stars matter some, but not much. It's their guess.
Coaches don't keep their jobs on star guesses from those that would never be hired as coaches. And please name the last coach that said that he did his recruiting by looking at a recruits stars?
Would any of you drop LB Kaylan Johnson because he was a 2 star QB in HS?
Would any of you drop QB Kyle Trask because he was a 2 star backup QB?
Yep you would, cause obviously they will never develop into anything because neither of them were ranked as 5 stars by those that you depend on to think for you....
Heck, Chris Doering and Louis Oliver were freakin' walkons....
We can all say anything now, because the answers are still years down the road.
And just like all of the 7 wins or less predictions from last year, those that were FoS will conveniently forget what they said. Typical.
Musclecramp's last season, UF was #8 in Total Defense.
Collins, (can't coach) somehow managed to finish #8 in the nation in Total Defense for 2015.
But more of the musclecramp's recruited players left this year, so we're doomed for 2016. I guess they should just go ahead and call off playing the 2016 season....
Pardon me, but didn't a 2 star DE play some last season for that #8 defense?
And didn't several 2-3 star defense players shine in the Spring game?
Nope, no chance that the crappy low star Gators will even make a bowl this year.
Prediction on UF's W/L for the coming season please, since they have no quality players, or not enough anyway?
BTW - Where do the recruit rankers get their stars from?
A 2 star gets offered by a top school and suddenly he jumps up to a 3-4 star, while nothing else has changed. So stars matter some, but not much. It's their guess.
Coaches don't keep their jobs on star guesses from those that would never be hired as coaches. And please name the last coach that said that he did his recruiting by looking at a recruits stars?
Would any of you drop LB Kaylan Johnson because he was a 2 star QB in HS?
Would any of you drop QB Kyle Trask because he was a 2 star backup QB?
Yep you would, cause obviously they will never develop into anything because neither of them were ranked as 5 stars by those that you depend on to think for you....
Heck, Chris Doering and Louis Oliver were freakin' walkons....
Two fellow gator fans just explained HOW you are wrong and they did it quite rationally mind you. That yes, mac has found a few potential diamonds in the rough. Yea, mac is finding some nice players. That doesn't win championships!! Hate to break it to you. To beat those elite teams, you need ELITE players. Not a couple, but a team made up of mostly blue chips. That's just how it goes and always has. Nothing new here.
You speak of a few outliers and MAYBE outliers, like Trask. He's done nothing yet. The Fact is the team with the best recruiting classes by, These shortly services, have won the MOST championships. Crazy....I know. Do you understand that?
Right? He's such an a**hole for being optimistic about something as *vitally* important as his favorite college football team.
I agree that getting the best players gives you the best chance to win. I wish every player we signed was rated 5 stars.
Having said that, I think a good coach can overcome a talent gap. I'm not saying that Mac is an elite coach. It's too soon to tell what kind of coach he will be, However, we have lots of other examples to work with.
Stanford finished the season ranked 3rd last year. This despite the fact that their last four recruiting classes were ranked 23rd, 5th, 61st and 14th by Rivals.
TCU's last four recruiting classes were ranked 27, 37, 29 and 51 by Rivals.
Michigan State was ranked 32, 41, 46 and 22 by Rivals.
Both of those teams would have been heavy favorites against most of the teams that finished better than them in the recruiting rankings.
I think coaching is a bigger factor than quality of players. I'm not saying that a great coach can win championships with scrubs. Even great coaches need talented players. However, I do think coaches like Saban and Meyer could win with the talent at lesser schools. I also think a coach like Muschamp could lose with the talent at Bama.
Having said that, I think a good coach can overcome a talent gap. I'm not saying that Mac is an elite coach. It's too soon to tell what kind of coach he will be, However, we have lots of other examples to work with.
Stanford finished the season ranked 3rd last year. This despite the fact that their last four recruiting classes were ranked 23rd, 5th, 61st and 14th by Rivals.
TCU's last four recruiting classes were ranked 27, 37, 29 and 51 by Rivals.
Michigan State was ranked 32, 41, 46 and 22 by Rivals.
Both of those teams would have been heavy favorites against most of the teams that finished better than them in the recruiting rankings.
I think coaching is a bigger factor than quality of players. I'm not saying that a great coach can win championships with scrubs. Even great coaches need talented players. However, I do think coaches like Saban and Meyer could win with the talent at lesser schools. I also think a coach like Muschamp could lose with the talent at Bama.
Good is a relative term. Your good is different than my good. Silly statement in many levels. The ACC is not the SEC. But it doesn't have to be The winner of the SEC may have an opportunity to play the winner of the ACC, like the natty last year. College football is more about individual match ups between any two teams playing each other.
They are all pretty much 3 stars....and the thread circles around again.
Probably exactly where it should be, requires us to beat LSU, FSU, UT, UGa or Arky and not get upset. Pretty fair line.
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