Let me know when it reaches it pre-NSD high in the 90's, as that's what's really important to any recruiting discussion... zzzzz
The Too Early to Bother, 2018 Recruiting Thread...
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You gotta admit, Mac is playing with some serious fire if he expects to go from 58 to number 9 on Signing Day every year. I mean, I know he's not trying to be number 58. He's losing a lot of guys he wants to other programs, he appears to be just a very poor recruiter. It is what it is.
Yep, I fully admit that the team roster has totally disintegrated with his first 3 classes (20>12>9) and it continues to,,, well,,, I guess we'll just have to again wait until NSD to know where it's going to end up....
But of course you're totally correct, going just by the actual facts, that he can't recruit a lick...
20, 12, and 9 isn't good enough, you know that. It will eventually catch up to you.Yep, I fully admit that the team roster has totally disintegrated with his first 3 classes (20>12>9) and it continues to,,, well,,, I guess we'll just have to again wait until NSD to know where it's going to end up....
But of course you're totally correct, going just by the actual facts, that he can't recruit a lick...
20, 12, and 9 is fine in most conferences assuming you're meeting needs. The problem is you can have a class ranked 12 and have four other SEC teams ranked ahead of you. And then there are teams like FSU who we play every year who are a staple in the top 5. That's really what the problem is. That and us not meeting needs like not signing a single DT in the first two classes and still not finding a long-term QB going into year three. So now this year all the backup DT's will be guys who have been on campus a few months at probably the most physically demanding position in football and we're living on the grad Xfer market looking for a QB. Good luck with that.
2017 National Champion Clemson (not UA with their 1-2 average class)
5 Year Span in Recruit Class Rankings per rivals.com
2017 - #22 -- UF #9
2016 - #6 --- UF #14
2015 - #4 --- UF #23
2014 - #13 --- UF #8
2013 - #14 --- UF #4
Clemson Average 5 Year Ranking = 59/5 = 11.8
UF Average 5 Year Ranking = 58/5 = 11.6
Proving you're correct yet again about where some dweebs rank a class, beyond all doubts....
(jus-dam those pesky facts)
Clemson's recruiting rank lagged behind some because they undersigned almost all those years while most of the top 5-10 were taking 25+ recruits. And their 2017 class only had 14 signees. IF you look at their per player ranking it was/ is elite. And of course almost all their best players were 4 and 5-star recruits. They started two 5-stars on their d-line alone for example. Watson was a 5-star. Mike Williams was a high 4-star and on and on. More pesky facts.
To further show my point. Clemson's average per player for the last few three years is:
Thats elite. Had they not undersigned the last two years they'd have been battling for top 3 classes.
2015- 11th (25 signees)
2016- 7th (22 signees)
2017- 4th (14 signees)
By comparison our average has been:
2015- 19th (21 signees)
2016- 17th (25 signees)
2017- 10th (23 signees)
Not really that similar if you look past the final rankings which just tallies points.
Thats elite. Had they not undersigned the last two years they'd have been battling for top 3 classes.
2015- 11th (25 signees)
2016- 7th (22 signees)
2017- 4th (14 signees)
By comparison our average has been:
2015- 19th (21 signees)
2016- 17th (25 signees)
2017- 10th (23 signees)
Not really that similar if you look past the final rankings which just tallies points.
There's no reason to act like our fans are being spoiled and incompetent pointing out another terrible ranking in year FOUR of recruiting and getting the same start up results... Just zero excuse for it in the SEC much less at FLORIDA... We CANNOT have that mess anymore if we wanna win and beat the Bamas and LSU's every year because we HAVE TO to get where we belong and need to go... Much less our in state A f***ing CC rival FSU getting much better talent than us and STILL taking ALL the QB's they don't even need anymore from us and all the dalvin cooks with the bags right from under our noses... Unacceptable..
Two words: Deshaun Watson. A guy like that changes everything.2017 National Champion Clemson (not UA with their 1-2 average class)
5 Year Span in Recruit Class Rankings per rivals.com
2017 - #22 -- UF #9
2016 - #6 --- UF #14
2015 - #4 --- UF #23
2014 - #13 --- UF #8
2013 - #14 --- UF #4
Clemson Average 5 Year Ranking = 59/5 = 11.8
UF Average 5 Year Ranking = 58/5 = 11.6
Proving you're correct yet again about where some dweebs rank a class, beyond all doubts....
(jus-dam those pesky facts)
Florida loses every year.
They can't hire a decent coach.
Nobody can recruit to a dump like G'ville.
The Gators are doomed forever....
Now, I'm finally sold on reality....
They can't hire a decent coach.
Nobody can recruit to a dump like G'ville.
The Gators are doomed forever....
Now, I'm finally sold on reality....
Jerks and dweebs, feel free to continue to jerk on each other, it's about all you're really good at imo...
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How about yet another opinion on Mc-Gator recruiting?
Green told SEC Country he got “bad vibes” from coaches at Miami and Ohio State during his recruitment. In a separate interview, Green’s mother shared similar sentiments.
“The Ohio State and Miami coaches, it got to the point where they were harassing my son,” his mother says. “They jumped all over him for committing to Florida. It got to the point where I had to tell them to stop texting his phone. With Florida, it was more of a family feel than business. Everybody else wouldn't call and send mail on a regular basis. Florida would FaceTime us to see how his grades were. When they say Gators take care of Gators, they mean it. Everything they said, they did,” his father said.
North Carolina and Tennis-sea's Head-BJ never stopped chasing Green, but he stayed loyal to the Gators and didn’t take trips to other programs. His official visit to Florida on Jan. 20 served as confirmation for his unwavering commitment.
A roster full of receivers like this are why I'd like a 70+% completion QB, instead of a QB/RB, because UF already has top end RB's to carry the ball. If an SEC defense lays out your running QB mid-season, then what? You go to your backup QB yet again to finish out the season? The Gators are 1-5 in their last 3 games over 2 seasons with a backup QB running the team. IMOHO, they really need a QB that can play an entire season for a change...
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The SEC-Country Fan Approval Rating Poll of McElwain is currently sitting at 92.92% (7-17-17)
Nine (9) Gators were picked to the All SEC teams.
How many of the 9 were Muschamp recruits?
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Three 2017 Class tFr Big Time Recruits from the Tampa Bay area's 50+ HS's:
DE Zachary Carter - WR Daquon Green - RB Malik Davis, game changers all.
Some 2017 redshirt freshmen that could step up and really shine this season imoho:
OC/LG Brett Heggie -- OLB Jeremiah Moon -- WR Rick Wells
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UF's likely starting OL for 2017, some consider them the #1 group in the SEC.
LT Martez Ivey 6-5 305 Jr - 5 Star out of HS - 2016 All SEC
Fr All SEC LG, So All SEC LG, 2017 Jr LT Outland Trophy Watch List
LG/OC Brett Heggie 6-3 317 rsFr - Jr & Sr FL 1st Team All State, HS #6 OC, UA-AA, Opening
OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308 rsSo - 2017 Rimington Trophy Watch List
RG/OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jr & Sr FL 2nd Team All State, UA-AA
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340 So - Sr Ala 1st Team All State, AL/MS All Star
Gator Fr All SEC & Fr All American
BTW, not a single one of the current roster OL'men was a Muschamp recruit, but Mc can't recruit.
(IF Ivey and Jordan don't leave early, all five can be back in 2018, crosses fingers)
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How about yet another opinion on Mc-Gator recruiting?
Green told SEC Country he got “bad vibes” from coaches at Miami and Ohio State during his recruitment. In a separate interview, Green’s mother shared similar sentiments.
“The Ohio State and Miami coaches, it got to the point where they were harassing my son,” his mother says. “They jumped all over him for committing to Florida. It got to the point where I had to tell them to stop texting his phone. With Florida, it was more of a family feel than business. Everybody else wouldn't call and send mail on a regular basis. Florida would FaceTime us to see how his grades were. When they say Gators take care of Gators, they mean it. Everything they said, they did,” his father said.
North Carolina and Tennis-sea's Head-BJ never stopped chasing Green, but he stayed loyal to the Gators and didn’t take trips to other programs. His official visit to Florida on Jan. 20 served as confirmation for his unwavering commitment.
A roster full of receivers like this are why I'd like a 70+% completion QB, instead of a QB/RB, because UF already has top end RB's to carry the ball. If an SEC defense lays out your running QB mid-season, then what? You go to your backup QB yet again to finish out the season? The Gators are 1-5 in their last 3 games over 2 seasons with a backup QB running the team. IMOHO, they really need a QB that can play an entire season for a change...
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The SEC-Country Fan Approval Rating Poll of McElwain is currently sitting at 92.92% (7-17-17)
Nine (9) Gators were picked to the All SEC teams.
How many of the 9 were Muschamp recruits?
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Three 2017 Class tFr Big Time Recruits from the Tampa Bay area's 50+ HS's:
DE Zachary Carter - WR Daquon Green - RB Malik Davis, game changers all.
Some 2017 redshirt freshmen that could step up and really shine this season imoho:
OC/LG Brett Heggie -- OLB Jeremiah Moon -- WR Rick Wells
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UF's likely starting OL for 2017, some consider them the #1 group in the SEC.
LT Martez Ivey 6-5 305 Jr - 5 Star out of HS - 2016 All SEC
Fr All SEC LG, So All SEC LG, 2017 Jr LT Outland Trophy Watch List
LG/OC Brett Heggie 6-3 317 rsFr - Jr & Sr FL 1st Team All State, HS #6 OC, UA-AA, Opening
OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308 rsSo - 2017 Rimington Trophy Watch List
RG/OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jr & Sr FL 2nd Team All State, UA-AA
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340 So - Sr Ala 1st Team All State, AL/MS All Star
Gator Fr All SEC & Fr All American
BTW, not a single one of the current roster OL'men was a Muschamp recruit, but Mc can't recruit.
(IF Ivey and Jordan don't leave early, all five can be back in 2018, crosses fingers)
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Jerks and dweebs, feel free to continue to jerk on each other, it's about all you're really good at imo...
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How about yet another opinion on Mc-Gator recruiting?
Green told SEC Country he got “bad vibes” from coaches at Miami and Ohio State during his recruitment. In a separate interview, Green’s mother shared similar sentiments.
“The Ohio State and Miami coaches, it got to the point where they were harassing my son,” his mother says. “They jumped all over him for committing to Florida. It got to the point where I had to tell them to stop texting his phone. With Florida, it was more of a family feel than business. Everybody else wouldn't call and send mail on a regular basis. Florida would FaceTime us to see how his grades were. When they say Gators take care of Gators, they mean it. Everything they said, they did,” his father said.
North Carolina and Tennis-sea's Head-BJ never stopped chasing Green, but he stayed loyal to the Gators and didn’t take trips to other programs. His official visit to Florida on Jan. 20 served as confirmation for his unwavering commitment.
A roster full of receivers like this are why I'd like a 70+% completion QB, instead of a QB/RB, because UF already has top end RB's to carry the ball. If an SEC defense lays out your running QB mid-season, then what? You go to your backup QB yet again to finish out the season? The Gators are 1-5 in their last 3 games over 2 seasons with a backup QB running the team. IMOHO, they really need a QB that can play an entire season for a change...
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The SEC-Country Fan Approval Rating Poll of McElwain is currently sitting at 92.92% (7-17-17)
Nine (9) Gators were picked to the All SEC teams.
How many of the 9 were Muschamp recruits?
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Three 2017 Class tFr Big Time Recruits from the Tampa Bay area's 50+ HS's:
DE Zachary Carter - WR Daquon Green - RB Malik Davis, game changers all.
Some 2017 redshirt freshmen that could step up and really shine this season imoho:
OC/LG Brett Heggie -- OLB Jeremiah Moon -- WR Rick Wells
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UF's likely starting OL for 2017, some consider them the #1 group in the SEC.
LT Martez Ivey 6-5 305 Jr - 5 Star out of HS - 2016 All SEC
Fr All SEC LG, So All SEC LG, 2017 Jr LT Outland Trophy Watch List
LG/OC Brett Heggie 6-3 317 rsFr - Jr & Sr FL 1st Team All State, HS #6 OC, UA-AA, Opening
OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308 rsSo - 2017 Rimington Trophy Watch List
RG/OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jr & Sr FL 2nd Team All State, UA-AA
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340 So - Sr Ala 1st Team All State, AL/MS All Star
Gator Fr All SEC & Fr All American
BTW, not a single one of the current roster OL'men was a Muschamp recruit, but Mc can't recruit.
(IF Ivey and Jordan don't leave early, all five can be back in 2018, crosses fingers)
Ivey was a Muschimp recruit. Mr Ed inherited him and Jefferson. Both were going to sign with the Lizzerds as was Byron Cowart until Misschimp was fired.All 3 were LIFELONG Lizzerd fans.
Cowart followed Misschimp to the Barn when he landed there.
Jerks and dweebs, feel free to continue to jerk on each other, it's about all you're really good at imo...
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How about yet another opinion on Mc-Gator recruiting?
Green told SEC Country he got “bad vibes” from coaches at Miami and Ohio State during his recruitment. In a separate interview, Green’s mother shared similar sentiments.
“The Ohio State and Miami coaches, it got to the point where they were harassing my son,” his mother says. “They jumped all over him for committing to Florida. It got to the point where I had to tell them to stop texting his phone. With Florida, it was more of a family feel than business. Everybody else wouldn't call and send mail on a regular basis. Florida would FaceTime us to see how his grades were. When they say Gators take care of Gators, they mean it. Everything they said, they did,” his father said.
North Carolina and Tennis-sea's Head-BJ never stopped chasing Green, but he stayed loyal to the Gators and didn’t take trips to other programs. His official visit to Florida on Jan. 20 served as confirmation for his unwavering commitment.
A roster full of receivers like this are why I'd like a 70+% completion QB, instead of a QB/RB, because UF already has top end RB's to carry the ball. If an SEC defense lays out your running QB mid-season, then what? You go to your backup QB yet again to finish out the season? The Gators are 1-5 in their last 3 games over 2 seasons with a backup QB running the team. IMOHO, they really need a QB that can play an entire season for a change...
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The SEC-Country Fan Approval Rating Poll of McElwain is currently sitting at 92.92% (7-17-17)
Nine (9) Gators were picked to the All SEC teams.
How many of the 9 were Muschamp recruits?
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Three 2017 Class tFr Big Time Recruits from the Tampa Bay area's 50+ HS's:
DE Zachary Carter - WR Daquon Green - RB Malik Davis, game changers all.
Some 2017 redshirt freshmen that could step up and really shine this season imoho:
OC/LG Brett Heggie -- OLB Jeremiah Moon -- WR Rick Wells
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UF's likely starting OL for 2017, some consider them the #1 group in the SEC.
LT Martez Ivey 6-5 305 Jr - 5 Star out of HS - 2016 All SEC
Fr All SEC LG, So All SEC LG, 2017 Jr LT Outland Trophy Watch List
LG/OC Brett Heggie 6-3 317 rsFr - Jr & Sr FL 1st Team All State, HS #6 OC, UA-AA, Opening
OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 308 rsSo - 2017 Rimington Trophy Watch List
RG/OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jr & Sr FL 2nd Team All State, UA-AA
RT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 340 So - Sr Ala 1st Team All State, AL/MS All Star
Gator Fr All SEC & Fr All American
BTW, not a single one of the current roster OL'men was a Muschamp recruit, but Mc can't recruit.
(IF Ivey and Jordan don't leave early, all five can be back in 2018, crosses fingers)
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# 58
Not true. Ivey and Jefferson never committed to Muschamp. When Muschamp was fired they both were uncommitted prospects at that time.
They were not simply sitting around and never set foot on the campus, nor had any talks with Muschimp or any of his assistants. Their offers came from Muschimp and were recruited heavily by him right up to the day he was fired.
I `NEVER said they had committed to him. But the quote was that None of the players InstaSpaceMonkey listed were RECRUITED by Mischimp. In fact, about 90% if not more of the players on that 2015 Florida class were offered scholarships and were recruited by him and his staff.
Considering Ivey's and Jefferson's ranking( #1 OT and #2 DE,) they were enjoying being wined and dined by other schools but never had any intention of playing anywhere but Florida. So they were late commits.
UT had the same situation last year with 5* OT Trey Smith, ESPN's # 1 recruit of the 2017 class. An EE, he waited until Dec.6 2016 before committing even though it was pretty much thought he was a lock for UT all along even though Saban wanted him badly. Smith, like Ivey, Jefferson and many, many other high rated recruits wanted to use this once in a lifetime chance to travel around the country and see other schools and other states for free even though they knew all along where they wanted to go to school. Can't say I blame them.
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Mr Ed will get his horses into the corral by NLOI Day. But will they be a mix of Thoroughbreds, Quarter horses, Clydesdales, Missouri Mules, Shetland ponies or Glue Factory candidates? And what will be the ratio?
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Where in the world did you come up with that one?
I figured you'd offer some Shetlands or even miniaturize horses. But wearing sweaters?
Would have only been better had they Swamp Donkey jerseys or a Corrine Brown - GO GATAS, T-Shirt. Oh, and JORTS. They both have the makings of a Mullet.Just need to chop off the hair in front.
Jerks and dweebs, feel free to continue to jerk on each other, it's about all you're really good at imo...
And so the twin has-beens continue, just as ordered. Goooood boyz. (pats heads,,,, then disinfects hand)
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Now back to the thread topic.
Anyone can read the many articles and look over a player roster.
But few will be able to tie the various bits together, understanding what it means.
Those that can should have a small smile on their faces for the coming seasons.
While nothing is ever guaranteed, the future looks bright to this Gator homer....
Mc-staff has already gone 19-8, 13-3 SEC, and 11-1 in the SWAMP.
Mc's the only coach in SEC history to go to Atlanta in his 1st 2 seasons.
He's exceeded all expectations using a combination of his recruits and Muschamp's.
Mc has been quietly Building both Quality and Depth for 3 years.
In 2017, we will be getting our 1st preview look at what he has been doing.
In his 4th season (2018) we will finally start to see the full results of his team building.
8 -- rsSR's
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18 - rsJr's -- Muschamp's final recruits, Mc redshirted them.
20 - rsSo's
19 - rsFr
65 Total Redshirted Players on the 2017 Roster.
~ About 1/2 of the 18 rsJr's and a Sr or 2 are actually Mc's recruits:
Massey, Pineiro, LDR, (Thompson rsSr, Putu Sr), and several of the scout team W-O's.
Muschamp's include: Riles, Mike, Lewis, Stephens, Harkless, Raymond, Bryan, and Clark.
Only Bryan and Clark are likely 2017 starters.
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The Gators have 9 players (10 positions) that were voted to the All SEC Teams:
LT Martez Ivey 6-5 305 Jr (1)
WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 197 Jr (2)
Also as a Return Specialist (3)
TE DeAndre Goolsby 6-4 244 Sr(3)
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K Eddy Pineiro 6-0 173 rsJr (2)
P Johnny Townsesn 6-1 211 rsSr (2)
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CB/Nic Duke Dawson 5-11 208 Sr (1)
DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 261 Jr (2)
SS Marcell Harris 6-1 211 rsSr (3)
DE Jabari Zuniga 6-3 245 rsSo (3) (Fr AA)
Townsend, Harris and Dawson are among the last of Muschamp's recruits.
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2017 Watch List Gators:
WR Antonio Callaway Jr was named to the Paul Hornung Award Watch List.
In just his first 2 seasons, he achieved a feat that no other Gator player ever has; he has scored a rushing, receiving, passing, punt return and kickoff return touchdown in a career.
TE DeAndre Goolsby Sr was named to the Mackey Award Watch List.
LT Martez Ivey Jr was named to the Outland Trophy Watch List.
OC T.J. McCoy rsSo was named to the Rimington Trophy Watch List.
He was also named to the Wuerffel Trophy Watch List.
CB Duke Dawson Sr named to the Bronko Nagurski Trophy Watch List.
He was also named to the Bednarik Award Watch List.
He was also named to the Jim Thorpe Award Watch List.
DE/DT CeCe Jefferson Jr was named to the Bednarik Award Watch List.
He was also named to the Bronko Nagurski Trophy Watch List.
DE Jabari Zuniga rsSo was named to the Bronko Nagurski Trophy Watch List.
K Eddy Pineiro rsJr is named to the Lou Groza Award Watch List.
In 2016 he was named a 2nd Team All SEC going 21 of 25 for 84%.
He made 11 field goals of 40-plus yards, including two in the Outback Bowl.
He was also 3 of 3 on 50+ yard FG's, making 2 at 54 yards.
* Eddy has kicked an 81 yard FG in full pads at practice.
P Johnny Townsend rsSr is named to the Ray Guy Award Watch List.
With 29 punts of 50+ yards and 27 punts inside the 20 yard line, he was 1st Team All-SEC.
So in 2016 he was a Guy Finalist as he led the Nation with a 47.9 yards per punt average.
* Going into his rsSr season, he has a Career 45.1 yard average with 63 punts of 50+ yards.
Dawson and Townsend were the 2 Muschamp recruits.
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Coach Jim McElwain was named to the Bobby Dodd Watch List.
The Dodd Trophy, college football's most coveted coaching award, celebrates the head coach of a team who enjoys success on the gridiron, while also stressing the importance of scholarship, leadership and integrity – the three pillars of legendary coach Bobby Dodd's philosophy.
Since 2015 in the SEC, only Bama has more overall wins, and in SEC games, it's UA 15 wins to UF's 13.
Overall, the Gators are 19-8 under McElwain, which ties Spurrier for the second-most by a UF head coach through his first two seasons.
More useless/brainless jerker drivel coming in 5...4...3...
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The only useless drivel happens when you offer up your twisted made up and/or cherry picked stats and memories.
Mr Ed got to the SECC only due to the stupidity of Lyle the Loser and tweedle dee and tweedle-dumb at U/Ga( which has as much talent as Bammer) and the abject patheticness rest of the SECE, PERIOD.
That wonderful Swamp Donkey OL, the one with the great Martez Ivey. Ask him about what he thought of Derek Barnett blasting him out of the way and sacking Appleby again and again last year. Ask the rest of that line what they thought of being humiliated in the 2nd half with what, 10 straight 3 and outs? UT scored more points in the 3rd quarter than the lizzerds had yards gained. Every snap looked like the Oklahoma land rush coming through that OL. Then there was that legendary secondary with Duke Dawson, Marcus Maye,. Quincy Wilson, Jalen Tabor and lets not forget the LBs, Alex Anzalone & Jarrad Davis.
Shoop started one true Freshman and one 3rd stringer at C/B and they got roasted in the 1st half. After he yanked them and put in more experienced albeit it a tad slower C/Bs, the air raids by Appleby ended
Once Dobbs settled down he cut your back 7 to shreds. W/Rs Josh Malone, Tyler Byrd and Jauan Jennings were twisting that legendary secondary in knots and were leaving them in the dirt. Meanwhile, TE Ethan Wolf was running by those linebackers on the Post.
Luck,Inheriting a great defense from Muschimp and having a 'Roided up Q/B the 1st half of his 1st year to get 6 wins got you to Atlanta. But even if Smart isn't able to coach worth a lick, he will soon be able to do what Phil Fulmer did, just out talent the opposition on the field. Stoops is recruiting far better at KY. They will not long be a doormat. S/C has Mischimp and he is already drawing in 4* recruits that would normally not give the chickens the time of day. You know what kind of defense he is capable of producing. Mizzu has a good coach. It's going to take a while to put out that dumpster fire he inherited but eventually it will happen.
And then there is the Knoxville Klown who blew the last 2 SECEs even though he had superior talent both years. He replaced 5 coaches after the debacle last year and upgraded them all. The recruiting for next season already reflects their superiority as far as recruiting goes. We'll see shortly how good of a product they can put on the field and how well they can prepare a gameplan.. That plus Rivals just listed the 2019 3* and 4* rates recruits in each state. The state of Tennessee has twelve 4* and seventeen 3* in that class as of today. Those kids still have 2 years left to play. That don't sound like much compared to the state of Florida, Georgia, Texas and California standards. But UT has always had to recruit out of state in the past due to the poor quality of the H/S coaching and lack of development of players inside the state.
They are getting better. And these are not static numbers. They are dynamic and will increase over the next two years. Plus, we have only Memphis and Vandy as In-State Universities to compete against. Not the invigorated U/Miami and FSU ( as well as Michigan, Clemson and Alabama considering how they are camped out in Bradenton salivating over those IMG Academy players).
The 2020 class, kids who were Freshmen last fall are even more talented.
So maybe like Kirby, Lyle can out talent on the field with his players and assistants even if he is a mediocre mind.
Mr Ed's real challenge begins next year. Things are still unsettled in the SECE this season so he may limp across the finish line like he did in 2015 or back in like last year when Lyle choked against S/C and Vandy. But after this year, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder with the quality of recruits he has been getting vs what the rest of the league gets and develops.
Mr Ed got to the SECC only due to the stupidity of Lyle the Loser and tweedle dee and tweedle-dumb at U/Ga( which has as much talent as Bammer) and the abject patheticness rest of the SECE, PERIOD.
That wonderful Swamp Donkey OL, the one with the great Martez Ivey. Ask him about what he thought of Derek Barnett blasting him out of the way and sacking Appleby again and again last year. Ask the rest of that line what they thought of being humiliated in the 2nd half with what, 10 straight 3 and outs? UT scored more points in the 3rd quarter than the lizzerds had yards gained. Every snap looked like the Oklahoma land rush coming through that OL. Then there was that legendary secondary with Duke Dawson, Marcus Maye,. Quincy Wilson, Jalen Tabor and lets not forget the LBs, Alex Anzalone & Jarrad Davis.
Shoop started one true Freshman and one 3rd stringer at C/B and they got roasted in the 1st half. After he yanked them and put in more experienced albeit it a tad slower C/Bs, the air raids by Appleby ended
Once Dobbs settled down he cut your back 7 to shreds. W/Rs Josh Malone, Tyler Byrd and Jauan Jennings were twisting that legendary secondary in knots and were leaving them in the dirt. Meanwhile, TE Ethan Wolf was running by those linebackers on the Post.
Luck,Inheriting a great defense from Muschimp and having a 'Roided up Q/B the 1st half of his 1st year to get 6 wins got you to Atlanta. But even if Smart isn't able to coach worth a lick, he will soon be able to do what Phil Fulmer did, just out talent the opposition on the field. Stoops is recruiting far better at KY. They will not long be a doormat. S/C has Mischimp and he is already drawing in 4* recruits that would normally not give the chickens the time of day. You know what kind of defense he is capable of producing. Mizzu has a good coach. It's going to take a while to put out that dumpster fire he inherited but eventually it will happen.
And then there is the Knoxville Klown who blew the last 2 SECEs even though he had superior talent both years. He replaced 5 coaches after the debacle last year and upgraded them all. The recruiting for next season already reflects their superiority as far as recruiting goes. We'll see shortly how good of a product they can put on the field and how well they can prepare a gameplan.. That plus Rivals just listed the 2019 3* and 4* rates recruits in each state. The state of Tennessee has twelve 4* and seventeen 3* in that class as of today. Those kids still have 2 years left to play. That don't sound like much compared to the state of Florida, Georgia, Texas and California standards. But UT has always had to recruit out of state in the past due to the poor quality of the H/S coaching and lack of development of players inside the state.
They are getting better. And these are not static numbers. They are dynamic and will increase over the next two years. Plus, we have only Memphis and Vandy as In-State Universities to compete against. Not the invigorated U/Miami and FSU ( as well as Michigan, Clemson and Alabama considering how they are camped out in Bradenton salivating over those IMG Academy players).
The 2020 class, kids who were Freshmen last fall are even more talented.
So maybe like Kirby, Lyle can out talent on the field with his players and assistants even if he is a mediocre mind.
Mr Ed's real challenge begins next year. Things are still unsettled in the SECE this season so he may limp across the finish line like he did in 2015 or back in like last year when Lyle choked against S/C and Vandy. But after this year, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder with the quality of recruits he has been getting vs what the rest of the league gets and develops.
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The only team in the SEC east that recruits just as good if not better than UF is UGA. That has been the case for the past few decades and I don't see that really changing in the future either. Your post is just a bunch of useless gibberish to be honest. UT has beaten UF once in 12 years. Why would any SEC team be concerned about Muschamp at South Carolina? Hell even Steve Spurrier only won the SEC East once during his time at USCjr. What makes anybody in their right mind think that Muschamp will do better than that? Vandy is Vandy and UK is UK. When is the last time Vandy or UK won the SEC East?
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Another big/long crap sandwich, filled with weak ass excuses and too boring to bother with. UF is better than tennis-sea in every single way imaginable. As a Univ, as a sports program as a whole, and as a football team in specific, and that's just a fact.
Who has the overall all time H-2-H football W/L record?
Who has won 11 of the last 12 games, no matter who the coaches were?
Who has won 2 NC's in this century, and who has won none this century?
Who owns the SEC All Sports Trophies?
Who is the only school with 34 consecutive Top 10 Director Cup finishes?
Who has been named a Public Ivy University?
Who was invited and elected to the AAU? (look it up)
Who is the only SEC school with NC's in the Men's Big 3 sports?
Who is the only SEC school with 14 different sports NC's, while nobody else in the SEC has even had 10 NC's in different sports?
But you will always be the no-knox Mad-Dollie delusional tennis-sea excuse maker and delusional dreamer that can tell us all about how terrible the present day SECe-C Gators are, and how great everyone else is one-day gonna be...
LMFAO yet again....
Who has the overall all time H-2-H football W/L record?
Who has won 11 of the last 12 games, no matter who the coaches were?
Who has won 2 NC's in this century, and who has won none this century?
Who owns the SEC All Sports Trophies?
Who is the only school with 34 consecutive Top 10 Director Cup finishes?
Who has been named a Public Ivy University?
Who was invited and elected to the AAU? (look it up)
Who is the only SEC school with NC's in the Men's Big 3 sports?
Who is the only SEC school with 14 different sports NC's, while nobody else in the SEC has even had 10 NC's in different sports?
But you will always be the no-knox Mad-Dollie delusional tennis-sea excuse maker and delusional dreamer that can tell us all about how terrible the present day SECe-C Gators are, and how great everyone else is one-day gonna be...
LMFAO yet again....
Some of the rest of the schools don't have Dope Runs, 100 meter scooter dash & crash and Pony riding as team sports.
Yet in spite of all that greatness of F-U, what SEC Football team has 120 more victories played in 9 more bowl games( and are 3-0 in the last 3. Can the Lizzerd/Swamp Donkeys claim that?) and has 5 more SECC's in spite of the last 10 years of suckage?
As for what happens this year, it won't be long until we find out.
We do know this, Mr Ed is getting killed this year recruiting in-state by not only FSU and Miami, but Alabama, Michigan, Auburn, Clemson and Ohio State as well.
Laugh at that old man. Go ahead and laugh.
Yet in spite of all that greatness of F-U, what SEC Football team has 120 more victories played in 9 more bowl games( and are 3-0 in the last 3. Can the Lizzerd/Swamp Donkeys claim that?) and has 5 more SECC's in spite of the last 10 years of suckage?
As for what happens this year, it won't be long until we find out.
We do know this, Mr Ed is getting killed this year recruiting in-state by not only FSU and Miami, but Alabama, Michigan, Auburn, Clemson and Ohio State as well.
Laugh at that old man. Go ahead and laugh.
As boring as always,,, zzzzzzzzzz --- with your ancient history / has-been's drool....
Since 2015 in the SEC, only Bama has more overall wins, and in SEC games, it's UA 15 wins to UF's 13.
Overall, the Gators are 19-8 under McElwain, which ties Spurrier for the second-most by a UF head coach through his first two seasons.
Mc is one of only 3 SEC coaches to win his division in his 1st season at a school.
(a tennis-sea rubber-dollie coach is not one of the other 2 who have done so)
Mc is all alone in winning his division in his 1st 2 seasons at a school.
PS
#4 OG Curtis Dunlap 6-5 362 **** - Jacksonville / Bradenton, FL IMG Academy
Offers: UF - Ark, UGA, MsSt, Mizz, SCa, TN -- FSU, Mia, Mich, Ok, USC, etc
Nike Opening - Final 5 OL
So don't disappear again comes NSD, like you scabs usually do....
Since 2015 in the SEC, only Bama has more overall wins, and in SEC games, it's UA 15 wins to UF's 13.
Overall, the Gators are 19-8 under McElwain, which ties Spurrier for the second-most by a UF head coach through his first two seasons.
Mc is one of only 3 SEC coaches to win his division in his 1st season at a school.
(a tennis-sea rubber-dollie coach is not one of the other 2 who have done so)
Mc is all alone in winning his division in his 1st 2 seasons at a school.
PS
#4 OG Curtis Dunlap 6-5 362 **** - Jacksonville / Bradenton, FL IMG Academy
Offers: UF - Ark, UGA, MsSt, Mizz, SCa, TN -- FSU, Mia, Mich, Ok, USC, etc
Nike Opening - Final 5 OL
So don't disappear again comes NSD, like you scabs usually do....
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As boring as always,,, zzzzzzzzzz --- with your ancient history / has-been's drool....
Since 2015 in the SEC, only Bama has more overall wins, and in SEC games, it's UA 15 wins to UF's 13.
Overall, the Gators are 19-8 under McElwain, which ties Spurrier for the second-most by a UF head coach through his first two seasons.
Mc is one of only 3 SEC coaches to win his division in his 1st season at a school.
(a tennis-sea rubber-dollie coach is not one of the other 2 who have done so)
Mc is all alone in winning his division in his 1st 2 seasons at a school.
PS
#4 OG Curtis Dunlap 6-5 362 **** - Jacksonville / Bradenton, FL IMG Academy
Offers: UF - Ark, UGA, MsSt, Mizz, SCa, TN -- FSU, Mia, Mich, Ok, USC, etc
Nike Opening - Final 5 OL
So don't disappear again comes NSD, like you scabs usually do....
2015 10-4
2016 9-4
Zzzzzzzz
2015 10-4
2016 9-4
Zzzzzzzz
2016 UF played 10 Bowl teams and Alabama in the SEC-C game.
2016 Choke-la-homo played 6 teams with losing records and nobody in a Conference Championship game.
As boring as always,,, zzzzzzzzzz --- with your ancient history / has-been's drool....
Since 2015 in the SEC, only Bama has more overall wins, and in SEC games, it's UA 15 wins to UF's 13.
Overall, the Gators are 19-8 under McElwain, which ties Spurrier for the second-most by a UF head coach through his first two seasons.
Mc is one of only 3 SEC coaches to win his division in his 1st season at a school.
(a tennis-sea rubber-dollie coach is not one of the other 2 who have done so)
Mc is all alone in winning his division in his 1st 2 seasons at a school.
PS
#4 OG Curtis Dunlap 6-5 362 **** - Jacksonville / Bradenton, FL IMG Academy
Offers: UF - Ark, UGA, MsSt, Mizz, SCa, TN -- FSU, Mia, Mich, Ok, USC, etc
Nike Opening - Final 5 OL
So don't disappear again comes NSD, like you scabs usually do....
Not only is this a great OL prospect but we finally got an IMG kid, hopefully Mac is making in roads to get a couple kids from there ober the next couple years. Great committ imo
I expect UF to sign a very good OL class again in the 2018 recruiting class.
They are certainly in on and looking pretty good for several others, so we'll see how it goes by NSD.
For all the panic, myself included, we are listed as favorites on quite a few top kids in the state. Several if them OL. Now, we still aren't hitting on enough of the 5* kids but it does appear Mac will have his best in-state group yet. All that said, our on-field product will determine a lot of it
2018 Gator OL Offers, according to ESPN:
#1 OT Jackson Carman 6-6 346 ***** - Fairfield, OH - 11/300 - uncommitted
#4 OT Mick Petit-Fre're 6-5 260 **** - Tampa, FL - uncommitted
#8 OT Dylan Wonnum 6-5 291 **** - Tucker, GA - uncommitted
#10 OT Tommy Brown 6-7 315 **** - Santa Ana, CA - uncommitted
#11 OT Michael Thompson 6-5 310 **** - Saint Louis, MO - uncommitted
#12 OT Richard Gouraige 6-5 271 **** - Tampa, FL - uncommitted
#1 OG Deontrey Hill 6-5 346 **** - Warner Robins, GA - uncommitted
#4 OG William Barnes 6-5 312 **** - Apopka, FL - uncommitted
#7 OG Penel Sewell 6-6 349 **** - Saint George, UT - uncommitted
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Flip Bait Reach List Offers:
~ #3 OT Matthew Jones 6-4 300 **** - Brooklyn, NY - tOSU
~ #6 OT Jaelyn Duncan 6-5 302 **** - Baltimore, MD - Maryland
~ #9 OT Max Wray 6-6 275 **** - Franklin, TN - tOSU (Meyer stompin' Head-BJ)
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~ #3 OG Emil Ekiyor 6-3 339 **** - Indianapolis, IN - Mich
~ #5 OG Christian Meadows 6-3 321 **** - Montezuma, GA - FSUcks
~ #9 OG Cleveland Reed 6-3 327 **** - Fort Meade, FL - scUM
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Plus offers out to another dozen+ lower rated OL others...
I believe Barnes and Gouraige are both likely to be Gators if I am not mistaken
Hearing that too, but no sure things until NSD, and even then some of them might not make it in to school for one reason or another.
Only one Gator OL gone for sure in 2018:
78. Ricardo Benalcazar 6-7 352 Sr - Miramar - (FSU xfer)
Possible NFL early departures, or Grad-xfers like a Cam Dillard.in 2016:
51. Antonio Riles 6-4 313 rsJr - Lawrenceville, GA
77. Andrew Mike 6-6 301 rsJr - Tucson, AZ
53. Kavaris Harkless 6-5 310 rsJr - Jacksonville
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73. Martez Ivey 6-5 315 Jr - Apopka
74. Fred Johnson 6-6 311 Jr - W Palm Beach
64. Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jacksonville
I could see maybe 3-4 of those 6 leaving early after 2017.
So I wouldn't mind seeing them take 4-5 OL in the 2018 class.
They will know better about how many they will need in early January.
Only one Gator OL gone for sure in 2018:
78. Ricardo Benalcazar 6-7 352 Sr - Miramar - (FSU xfer)
Possible NFL early departures, or Grad-xfers like a Cam Dillard.in 2016:
51. Antonio Riles 6-4 313 rsJr - Lawrenceville, GA
77. Andrew Mike 6-6 301 rsJr - Tucson, AZ
53. Kavaris Harkless 6-5 310 rsJr - Jacksonville
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73. Martez Ivey 6-5 315 Jr - Apopka
74. Fred Johnson 6-6 311 Jr - W Palm Beach
64. Tyler Jordan 6-4 309 Jr - Jacksonville
I could see maybe 3-4 of those 6 leaving early after 2017.
So I wouldn't mind seeing them take 4-5 OL in the 2018 class.
They will know better about how many they will need in early January.
