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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

What typically happens when a virus such as coronavirus has a new variant?

The new variant typically is far more contagious, but it's not as deadly.

For the last few months, what has been the selling point for getting the shot?

Well you will still get covid, but if you do get sick, it likely won't be as bad.

Hmmmm.....what exactly is the shot doing?
I wonder how much China manipulated this crap to be more adaptive. It seems myself and others I know who got this recently had pretty bad symptoms while similar people last year I knew had really light symptoms.
 
I wonder how much China manipulated this crap to be more adaptive. It seems myself and others I know who got this recently had pretty bad symptoms while similar people last year I knew had really light symptoms.
A lot of people believe the shots are causing the variants to progress much faster than they would organically.
 
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I see a bunch of fantastic conspiracy claims and zero actual evidence that any of it is true. Decide to be right up some of y’all’s alley.

@SORT14
You think any other country with large breakouts right now have the vaccinated/unvaccinated numbers we are reporting even adjusting for vaccination rate. I highly doubt they do as they probably aren't purposely slow walking the vaccination status of people in many places to be able to claim a distorted % on that.
 
You think any other country with large breakouts right now have the vaccinated/unvaccinated numbers we are reporting even adjusting for vaccination rate. I highly doubt they do as they probably aren't purposely slow walking the vaccination status of people in many places to be able to claim a distorted % on that.
You guys are looney
Lol
 
No we aren't. When we get real numbers that 85% will be shown to have been straight BS.

Also everything the crooks at the CDC have said about what this vaccine would do has turned out to be a 100% joke and so far off from current reality its not even funny.
Again post the actual evidence that what we are giving you in the United States is BS. Not a tweet, not a Yahoo article, the actual evidence that there’s some grand conspiracy and we’re making numbers up for some unexplainable reason. Show me some actual evidence and I will read it.
 
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Again post the actual evidence that what we are giving you in the United States is BS. Not a tweet, not a Yahoo article, the actual evidence that there’s some grand conspiracy and we’re making numbers up for some unexplainable reason. Show me some actual evidence and I will read it.
They are slow walking unknown numbers to distort things with this here in the US. Israel will give you a more realic number on what this stuff is doing.

Heck if the CDC was to be believed we would have been in decent shape for months now with them considering the vaccinated just like a person that actually caught Covid in their joke releases on what would be happening.
 
No we aren't. When we get real numbers that 85% will be shown to have been straight BS.

Also everything the crooks at the CDC have said about what this vaccine would do has turned out to be a 100% joke and so far off from current reality its not even funny.
Sounds like he's drunk tonight tbh.
 
They are slow walking unknown numbers to distort things with this here in the US. Israel will give you a more realic number on what this stuff is doing.

Heck if the CDC was to be believed we would have been in decent shape for months now with them considering the vaccinated just like a person that actually caught Covid in their joke releases on what would be happening.
Waiting for the actual evidence not you saying some thing but actual proof that this is what’s happening.
 
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Waiting for the actual evidence not you saying some thing but actual proof that this is what’s happening.
Lol You lefties claim this all the time and then when it comes out months later officially you just ignore it.

Let me guess you also believed them that this trash vaccine would have us at herd immunity a few months back.
 
Very bummed out after hearing about this today. Played lax with Jerry in college at Brandeis U. (before transferring to UF). Super nice guy.

 
I think Biden’s push to force companies to mandate vaccination is a gigantic overreach and he will lose that Legal challenge in my opinion. But I’m no lawyer

How did they propose forcing private companies to do that?
 
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And I have to admit I was very busy yesterday at work and did not realize Biden was attempting to force private companies to force their employees to either be vaccinated or be tested. I see that is leaking it to Medicare and Medicaid funds as well as being allowed to have a contract with the federal government. I guess this may be legal but I think personally this is a gigantic overreach. I have never been in favor of The federal government mandating vaccines To private employees. I think this is a horrific overreach and I am completely against it.
 
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And I have to admit I was very busy yesterday at work and did not realize Biden was attempting to force private companies to force their employees to either be vaccinated or be tested. I see that is leaking it to Medicare and Medicaid funds as well as being allowed to have a contract with the federal government. I guess this may be legal but I think personally this is a gigantic overreach. I have never been in favor of The federal government mandating vaccines To private employees. I think this is a horrific overreach and I am completely against it.
All that said, that of course does not change the reality that vaccines clearly save lives and our highly recommended by me as a medical professional.
 
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I see a bunch of fantastic conspiracy claims and zero actual evidence that any of it is true. Decide to be right up some of y’all’s alley.

@SORT14
There are some starkly evident fundamental differences that are prevalent in this conversation. The first involves the convince vs convey approach. Some people seem to be simply trying to convince others to think and feel like they do while others, including me, are trying to convey actual information. I have no goal of changing anyone's mind or 'winning' and internet argument (something that has never been done before). My goal is to raise the standard of evidence, which leads me to the second stark difference

There is a stark contrast in the standard of evidence provided. Scientific research and relevant source-provided statistics are the evidence that I have cited and provided. These are primary sources and are considerably more likely to be true and of good faith than are the tabloid articles, tweets, and personal subjective opinions of biased individuals with an agenda and/or affinity for paranoia.

A third and non-trivial difference is that if others were providing evidence at the same standard (primary sources) that contrasted the evidence that I have seen in support of vaccination, I would update my opinion on the basis of that information. This is not true in the opposite direction. No matter what amount of logic and evidence (again, primary sources) are set forth, there is nothing that can be done to move some people off of their eternal truth. Importantly, this is fine for me because my goal isn't to convince anybody of anything, but instead to raise the overall quality of evidence that is being put out here and to let anyone who happens to have an open mind make an informed decision based upon their own interpretation of the evidence.
 
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I see a bunch of fantastic conspiracy claims and zero actual evidence that any of it is true. Decide to be right up some of y’all’s alley.

@SORT14
zero chance you read that in 8 minutes as busy saving lives as you are

but flame away, I'm sure it's all BS...especially the tricks the author played with simple division...sneaky
 
1) Man you love you some polls
2) There's no detail on who was sampled - income, political affiliation, method of sampling, etc. You over sample 65+ retired democrats and the result is skewed, as an example.
3) Read the question - it's third person...the way you ask questions in a survey matters.

The results might actually reflect sentiment but from the information I have I find that FAR from conclusive. I don't know anyone I've talked to that agrees with it...and most everyone around me in this medium cap company are vaxxed (including myself).
 
Lol You lefties claim this all the time and then when it comes out months later officially you just ignore it.

Let me guess you also believed them that this trash vaccine would have us at herd immunity a few months back.
I'll say again: If a year ago at this time we had claimed that the CDC would be admitting that the 'shots' didn't work and that people had gotten the shots were still getting covid and DYING from covid, every shot cheerleader here would have shit themselves calling us liars.

@Uniformed_ReRe would have gotten a panic attack and fainted.

Yet here we are with that reality, and the shot cheerleaders are like 'meh no big deal, happens all the time!'

The delta variant is more contagious, but if you catch it, your chances of dying or even being hospitalized are less than if you had caught covid before the variant.

The shot cheerleaders tell us get the shot, you may still get covid, but if you do it will lower your chance of getting hospitalized or dying.

Same thing the delta variant does by itself. What exactly does the shot do???
 
There are some starkly evident fundamental differences that are prevalent in this conversation. The first involves the convince vs convey approach. Some people seem to be simply trying to convince others to think and feel like they do while others, including me, are trying to convey actual information. I have no goal of changing anyone's mind or 'winning' and internet argument (something that has never been done before). My goal is to raise the standard of evidence, which leads me to the second stark difference

There is a stark contrast in the standard of evidence provided. Scientific research and relevant source-provided statistics are the evidence that I have cited and provided. These are primary sources and are considerably more likely to be true and of good faith than are the tabloid articles, tweets, and personal subjective opinions of biased individuals with an agenda and/or affinity for paranoia.

A third and non-trivial difference is that if others were providing evidence at the same standard (primary sources) that contrasted the evidence that I have seen in support of vaccination, I would update my opinion on the basis of that information. This is not true in the opposite direction. No matter what amount of logic and evidence (again, primary sources) are set forth, there is nothing that can be done to move some people off of their eternal truth. Importantly, this is fine for me because my goal isn't to convince anybody of anything, but instead to raise the overall quality of evidence that is being put out here and to let anyone who happens to have an open mind make an informed decision based upon their own interpretation of the evidence.
If you read the article 80%-90% of it isn't conspiracy theory, it's pointing out the CDC is shady AF in how they are calculating adverse effects percentages. I don't really want to get into the causal link argument with VAERS again...I get it, it's far from perfect but it's the only data we have. And it's so imperfect I don't know how you can argue it's biased in either direction.

His other problem is the efficacy numbers are not holding up at all, but we're sort of given the mushroom treatment on that. I think anyone who's paying attention can see that...just in hospitalizations you're seeing ~20% vaxxed in that population.

And then there's some batshit craziness tossed in, but that doesn't define the entire article for me - I can parse that out and think for myself. The point still stands that the CDC manipulates data to push an agenda.
 
Very bummed out after hearing about this today. Played lax with Jerry in college at Brandeis U. (before transferring to UF). Super nice guy.

sucks, 60 is far too young....sorry for your loss and the fact he left behind a 9YO, so sad

Also didn't know you were a lax bro - respekt

I coach a HS team in NoVA
 
….And just like that, nobody is talking about Afghanistan anymore. Between that, the fiasco at the border, and now this, soft-serve Joe has f’ed up things so much it’s hard to keep up with it all.
And no one is talking about how the election was stolen either. We gave up on that a long time ago.

Dems are literally shitting on the Constitution every single day. And every single day we tweet 'someone needs to do something!', and then go about our day.
 
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I'll say again: If a year ago at this time we had claimed that the CDC would be admitting that the 'shots' didn't work and that people had gotten the shots were still getting covid and DYING from covid, every shot cheerleader here would have shit themselves calling us liars.

@Uniformed_ReRe would have gotten a panic attack and fainted.

Yet here we are with that reality, and the shot cheerleaders are like 'meh no big deal, happens all the time!'

The delta variant is more contagious, but if you catch it, your chances of dying or even being hospitalized are less than if you had caught covid before the variant.

The shot cheerleaders tell us get the shot, you may still get covid, but if you do it will lower your chance of getting hospitalized or dying.

Same thing the delta variant does by itself. What exactly does the shot do???
Allows you to work at a company larger than 100 employees?
 
And no one is talking about how the election was stolen either. We gave up on that a long time ago.

Dems are literally shitting on the Constitution every single day. And every single day we tweet 'someone needs to do something!', and then go about our day.
AFG was a distraction from election integrity - there are rumblings but the media has largely turned away.

Vax mandate, which may be be shot down, is to distract from AFG.

We'll just keep heading down the death spiral until we hit rock bottom.
 
And no one is talking about how the election was stolen either. We gave up on that a long time ago.

Dems are literally shitting on the Constitution every single day. And every single day we tweet 'someone needs to do something!', and then go about our day.

like I said, rumblings
 
AFG was a distraction from election integrity - there are rumblings but the media has largely turned away.

Vax mandate, which may be be shot down, is to distract from AFG.

We'll just keep heading down the death spiral until we hit rock bottom.
Meanwhile, people that attended a Trump rally on Jan 6th are still not only in jail, but in solitary confinement. Notice the republicans aren't doing a damn thing about it either.
 

like I said, rumblings
That's all we will ever get. Just enough to make us think something might happen.

Nothing will ever happen. They got away with it cause we refuse to hold them accountable. We put our faith in politicians who are in on it with them.

We will never learn.
 
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That's all we will ever get. Just enough to make us think something might happen.

Nothing will ever happen. They got away with it cause we refuse to hold them accountable. We put our faith in politicians who are in on it with them.

We will never learn.
Still holding out hope that the full AZ report gets released soon.

But to your point, all we should need are the missing and ghost vote totals from AZ to demonstrate just how ridiculous our elections have become. And no one is talking about it.
 
If you read the article 80%-90% of it isn't conspiracy theory, it's pointing out the CDC is shady AF in how they are calculating adverse effects percentages. I don't really want to get into the causal link argument with VAERS again...I get it, it's far from perfect but it's the only data we have. And it's so imperfect I don't know how you can argue it's biased in either direction.

His other problem is the efficacy numbers are not holding up at all, but we're sort of given the mushroom treatment on that. I think anyone who's paying attention can see that...just in hospitalizations you're seeing ~20% vaxxed in that population.

And then there's some batshit craziness tossed in, but that doesn't define the entire article for me - I can parse that out and think for myself. The point still stands that the CDC manipulates data to push an agenda.
I wasn't referring solely to that article, as I have just started to read it, and will finish it up later today. It was more of some of the other stuff.
 
I think Biden’s push to force companies to mandate vaccination is a gigantic overreach and he will lose that Legal challenge in my opinion. But I’m no lawyer

How did they propose forcing private companies to do that?
Covid case numbers are declining and will soon be plummeting as this Delta surge comes to an end. Between the number of people who have now been vaccinated in addition to the large number who were infected during this surge we are likely bordering on herd immunity.

I think the admin knows that another “surge” won’t have the impact that we saw with Delta due to so many now having antibodies. The mandates are a last ditch effort to get shots in arms because the fear tactics aren’t going to have quite the same effect in the coming months...unless they just go ahead and release a totally new virus lol
 
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