KY @ UF
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We're ballin out right now...if we keep playing like this...we can run the table. We'll see tough.
Got to give Hill a lot of credit. I am on him as much as anybody but he really came to play last night. It was great watching KY getting smoked like that.
Really impressive effort. Our defense and rebounding was outstanding. Kentucky is not a very physical team. We should have a shot at Rupp if the refs stay out of it.
Great win Mike White and Gators!
Great win Mike White and Gators!
I'm confused, wasn't it like 2 weeks ago that the team was finished, wouldn't make the tourney, and Mike White wasn't a good coach?
What does it take to beat a Top 10 UK team?
Florida led from start-to-finish with a total TEAM effort against the latest Kentucky Dream Team filled with future NBA lottery picks. Coach White used 10 players and every one of them scored and contributed in other ways, led by senior PG Hill.
If not for the highly biased SEC refs chitty foul calling, the Gators would have won by 30+.
Crybaby-Cal and the biased refs are all that kept UK in the game.
The refs let UK's Fox repeatedly shoulder and elbow Gators in the chest on the way to the basket, several times even calling a foul on the Gator player instead of the 'charging' foul-happy wildcat..
#24 UF 88 - 66 UK #8 (+22 --- 25 Pts below their 91.3 average)
That was a better win against UK than the O4's (+19) ever had.
* UF 18-5, 8-2 SEC
PG Kasey Hill 21 Pts, 6 Ast, 3 TO, 5 Rbs, 1 Blk, 1 Stl
His defense helped hold the SEC's leading scorer (Monk 22.3 Pts/Gm) to just 11 Pts.
"That's what type of team we have,'' Hill said. "Any guy can score and anybody can have a good night."
"He's been a leader of this program for numerous years,'' Robinson said. "He kept the motor going. He kept the team going. I'm happy for him tonight." -- TEAM! -- (Kasey helped the rest of the team find out what it feels like to beat the Kentucky Wildcats - SWEET)
SF Devin Robinson 16 Pts, 9 Rbs, 2 TO, 2 Blk
(just missed yet another double-double)
SF Canyon Barry 14 Pts,
SG/PG KeVaughn Allen 12 Pts
PG Chirs Chiozza 2 Pts, 9 Rbs, 9 Asts
(also just missed a double-double)
C John Egbunu 8 Pts, 7 Rbs, 2 TO, 1 Blk
PF/C Kevarrius Hayes 5 Pts, 5 Rbs, 2 TO, 3 Blks
C/PF Schuyler Rimmer 4 Pts, 1 Rb, 1 TO
PF Justin Leon 3 Pts, 1 TO
PG/SG Eric Hester 3 Pts
* UK #1 SEC, #10 Nation in rebounding. -- UF 54 - 29 UK Rebounding,,, and the Gators added 7 blocked shots to their rebounding.
** And as far as 'last laughs' go, right at tip-off, kensucky guard Isaiah Brisco told Robinson; "All you guys are soft." . That idiot mildcat, must have thought that the Gator laying on the bank in the sun, was asleep...
Poke that dragon and what does it get you? The 22-point victory margin was the largest by a Florida team in the 90-year history of the series and the worst loss by a top-10 Kentucky team in 25 years.
*** The Wildcats (18-5, 8-2), the nation's third-highest scoring team at 91.3 points per game, were held to their fewest points of the year.
They exited the Oh-eee Center-Dome ... well ... softly.
Why does Coach White play 10-12 guys (TEAM) instead of just 5 starters?
2 PG's = 23 Pts, 15 Rbs, 14 Asts, 3 TO, 1 Blk, 1 Stl (Hill-Chiozza)
2 SF's = 30 Pts, 9 Rbs (Robinson-Barry)
2 C's = 13 Pts, 12 Rbs, 4 Blks (Egbunu-Hayes)
2 SG's = 15 Pts (Allen-Hester)
2 PF = 7 Pts, 1 Rb, 2 TO (Leon-Rimmer)
PS -- So at this point, I'd like to thank Vanderbilt....
Florida led from start-to-finish with a total TEAM effort against the latest Kentucky Dream Team filled with future NBA lottery picks. Coach White used 10 players and every one of them scored and contributed in other ways, led by senior PG Hill.
If not for the highly biased SEC refs chitty foul calling, the Gators would have won by 30+.
Crybaby-Cal and the biased refs are all that kept UK in the game.
The refs let UK's Fox repeatedly shoulder and elbow Gators in the chest on the way to the basket, several times even calling a foul on the Gator player instead of the 'charging' foul-happy wildcat..
#24 UF 88 - 66 UK #8 (+22 --- 25 Pts below their 91.3 average)
That was a better win against UK than the O4's (+19) ever had.
* UF 18-5, 8-2 SEC
PG Kasey Hill 21 Pts, 6 Ast, 3 TO, 5 Rbs, 1 Blk, 1 Stl
His defense helped hold the SEC's leading scorer (Monk 22.3 Pts/Gm) to just 11 Pts.
"That's what type of team we have,'' Hill said. "Any guy can score and anybody can have a good night."
"He's been a leader of this program for numerous years,'' Robinson said. "He kept the motor going. He kept the team going. I'm happy for him tonight." -- TEAM! -- (Kasey helped the rest of the team find out what it feels like to beat the Kentucky Wildcats - SWEET)
SF Devin Robinson 16 Pts, 9 Rbs, 2 TO, 2 Blk
(just missed yet another double-double)
SF Canyon Barry 14 Pts,
SG/PG KeVaughn Allen 12 Pts
PG Chirs Chiozza 2 Pts, 9 Rbs, 9 Asts
(also just missed a double-double)
C John Egbunu 8 Pts, 7 Rbs, 2 TO, 1 Blk
PF/C Kevarrius Hayes 5 Pts, 5 Rbs, 2 TO, 3 Blks
C/PF Schuyler Rimmer 4 Pts, 1 Rb, 1 TO
PF Justin Leon 3 Pts, 1 TO
PG/SG Eric Hester 3 Pts
* UK #1 SEC, #10 Nation in rebounding. -- UF 54 - 29 UK Rebounding,,, and the Gators added 7 blocked shots to their rebounding.
** And as far as 'last laughs' go, right at tip-off, kensucky guard Isaiah Brisco told Robinson; "All you guys are soft." . That idiot mildcat, must have thought that the Gator laying on the bank in the sun, was asleep...
Poke that dragon and what does it get you? The 22-point victory margin was the largest by a Florida team in the 90-year history of the series and the worst loss by a top-10 Kentucky team in 25 years.
*** The Wildcats (18-5, 8-2), the nation's third-highest scoring team at 91.3 points per game, were held to their fewest points of the year.
They exited the Oh-eee Center-Dome ... well ... softly.
Why does Coach White play 10-12 guys (TEAM) instead of just 5 starters?
2 PG's = 23 Pts, 15 Rbs, 14 Asts, 3 TO, 1 Blk, 1 Stl (Hill-Chiozza)
2 SF's = 30 Pts, 9 Rbs (Robinson-Barry)
2 C's = 13 Pts, 12 Rbs, 4 Blks (Egbunu-Hayes)
2 SG's = 15 Pts (Allen-Hester)
2 PF = 7 Pts, 1 Rb, 2 TO (Leon-Rimmer)
PS -- So at this point, I'd like to thank Vanderbilt....
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They did look like a mess in that 2 game stretch. Glad to see the turnaround and finally getting a signature win. The expectations are Sweet 16 bound now if they can keep this up. Thinking SC might be the team we will fight it out for the SEC now unless KY turns it around. Georgia would have beat KY the other night on their court if they could have rebounded the ball at all.
When your team loses at home to an unranked team, it is easy to get discouraged.
Vandy is a bad team.
And 6 bad and/or lower ranked team won yesterday, including UF.
4 of the 6 teams that knocked off Top 10 teams were not ranked in the Top 25.
As I've said before, B-Ball and Baseball are streaky sports, where this can happen at any time. Any team can go cold and any team can get hot, for a game or two anyway...
When it happens (going cold), I recommend deep breaths and acquiring patients until it passes. The only time that it's a real problem is in a one & done tourney.
I was reading that same kind of thing about Mac, recruiting, and UF's future as a mediocre also ran just two weeks ago. Funny how that happens.
Mike White looks like he has built a good TEAM who have bought into that concept. They've been absolutely killing it since that debacle against Vandy.
This team can compete with anyone because they commit to playing defense first. Everyone has off shooting nights. That used to kill Billy D's teams until he met Larry Shyatt. Kasey Hill's shot looked better last night than at any other point in his career. If he starts knocking down jumpshots then he will be unstoppable. As he goes, the offense goes. I really thought last night was an average shooting night. We could have put up 100.
Not true at all on offense. With 8 different Gators leading the team in scoring for a game this season, no one person is responsible for the scoring. Hill is important for his aggressive speed and his leadership, but they all have a role to play as a TEAM. As always in shooting, you feed the hot hands.
FT shooting varies from game to game like any other kind of shooting does, but overall for the season, it's been pretty good and better than last season.
VS Mizzou - 22 of 27 - 81.5%
2 Days Later
VS UK ---- 18 of 29 - 62.1%
Season FT's - 414 of 579 - 71.5%
I think vs UK they forgot to let Barry handle the ball in the final 2-3 minutes, and that's a mistake imo. Barry, and maybe Allen should handle the ball at the end of games, and especially if the game is close, (which it wasn't for UK).
A team FT % of greater than 70 is pretty good. I worry about what it is like in the last three minutes. Those are the critical ones in most games.
Especially since the FT% has dropped rather dramatically in SEC play. Led by the usual suspects.
Season FT's - 414 of 579 - 71.5%
Vs Mizzou - 22 of 27 - 81.5%
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Two of the usual suspects airing their usual nit-pickin' gloom & doom I see....
Myself, I'm not scared at all because I see them winning several games because of their very good and continuing improvement in free throw shooting. And if they use Barry and/or Allen to have the ball at the end of games when the opponent is intentionally fouling, it will be even better.
What's Barry's string of consecutive FT's up to now,,, somewhere around 35-37 I think?
You're always so right with every nit-pickin' thing that you post, and here your proof of it:
Vs Mizzou - 22 of 27 - 81.5%
Season FT's - 414 of 579 - 71.5% <<<
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So I revisited the current stats: 2-13-17
Vs UGA - 13 of 16 - 81.3%
Vs aTm - 19 of 25 -- 76.0%
Updated Season FT's - 446 of 620 - 71.9% <-----<<<
Can they get better? Anyone not already shooting 100% can get better.
Have they already been better than last season. FOR SURE THEY HAVE!
In fact, they have continued to get better all season, including in SEC play. WTFU dude....
I agree that our free throw percentage is better than last year. However, According to the NCAA as of today, 2/13, our 71.9% puts us at #112 in the country. That's not very good for a team hoping to make a run to the Sweet 16. Here's the link: http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/team/150/p3. And it's not just the percentage that's so important. It's the front end of 1 & 1's and how many you make down the stretch in a close game. I think we're doing better than last year, but will need to do better in the Dance, IMO.
And he shit the bed against TAMU
This is quintessential Hill. He can be sublime and take over a game. Or he can put his head up his ass and lose the game.
Against TAMU he did not lose the game. But he came close.
The gators are having a better season than anyone expected, correct? And, for the season, hill has played as well as anyone on the team, except Allen, correct (remember basketball has an offense and defense component)? And three quarters through the season, you're still here bitching about him, pointing out every bad game or play. (See my post in other thread re: posters cannot admit being wrong).
Dude, you were wrong. Further, you don't know enough about basketball, other than ball go through hoop = good, to form the opinions that you are spouting.
what frustrates me so much with Hill is that he shows glimpses of being a legit All American, then he will go out and look like he couldn't start for a high school team
Dude get the frack over it. My basketball knowledge is fine. At least compared to yours. If you don't like my opinions about Hill's poor play, if they give you high blood pressure and make you ball up in fetal position while crying for your safe space, then do yourself a solid and don't read them.
Hill, for all his high ceiling and occasional brilliant play, is still a liability in some games. The TAMU game being one such example of the later. Are you seriously defending his play in that game? Seriously? In a one and done tournament, that will get us beat. We are lucky it did not get us beat in this game. We are fortunate that TAMU is not a tournament quality team.
Yep. Everybody sees that. Except for one person.
The reason he starts, the reason he is in the game more minutes than Chiozza, is because of his very high ceiling. Which he does show in some games. Happily this year he has been better more often than the previous three.
He is an excellent on ball defender, he is very good at steals. He has an explosive first step.
Yet, bless his little heart he often cannot hit a free throw at the end of games. He is still prone to ugly, ugly turnovers. Far too often he wants to play hero ball. Which he sometimes can do so successful. But more often than not goes out of control.
No, I'm not. Where do you get that from? This type of lazy and/or disingenuous argument is typical from you on this subject.
I'm saying that, on the season, Hill has played the most minutes at the most important position on the floor (according to professor hoops himself) and has had the ball in his hands more than anybody, on a team that is playing better than anyone expected. Additionally, he always defends the other team's best perimeter player.
All that is the conscious decision of Mike White. So you are arguing basketball with him. Even for professor hoops, that is a tall order.
I want to see Kasey take charge and have some nuts out there, he still looks too timid and doesn't vocally have a charge in him that way.. In basketball communication is huge, it doesn't always matter for guys to lead that way... I just see him looking scared to mess up rather than the other way around top point guards usually act like, hell most top ranked guys don't make it near 4 years and have that cockiness and leadership in there...
he's no confident in himself for a Senior, at all...
he's no confident in himself for a Senior, at all...
I'd like to see Devin Robinson pump fake, drive down the lane and dunk on everyone's head three times a game, but it's not going to happen. All these guys are limited players, except Allen. But White emphasizes what they do well and limits the impact of their shortcomings.
Hill certainly has his flaws, but like the rest of the flawed players on this team, he has been a net positive on a team that has been very good, so far. In the end, Mike White obviously views Hill as a much more effective basketball player than do his critics.
sadgator loves our guards. It ain't a one man show, nor should it be. When one guy slumps, another picks it up. That is what we have, and that is what you need to survive in tournament play.
We've got seven guys averaging 20 minutes + per game. Allen has been our best player. But after that, you'd have a hard time saying who has been second best, third best, etc... You'd have an equally tough time saying who has been our worst regular player, second worst, etc... All of these guys have had their moments, and all of them have had off games. But you add all of them up and you get 20-5.
Like someone has already pointed out. Right now they are playing like a team where each individual knows their limits and knows what they can and can't do to help the team win games. I like the fact that we really don't have a go to player and different players seem to step up. White finds out who is "on" for that game and uses him.
I have been very critical of Hill but he's impressed me this season. It's the best I've ever seen him play.
I'm a fan of Mike White. The dude can coach. He needed to improve recruiting and it looks like he has started doing that as well. We may have found ourselves another darn good basketball coach that can win big things at UF.
I have been very critical of Hill but he's impressed me this season. It's the best I've ever seen him play.
I'm a fan of Mike White. The dude can coach. He needed to improve recruiting and it looks like he has started doing that as well. We may have found ourselves another darn good basketball coach that can win big things at UF.
On a TEAM, look at the position, not at a single player, and not in a single game either.
PG Hill--Chiozza - Combined Season Per Game Ave.
387/25 = 15.5 pts/gm
151/25 = 6.1 rbs/gm
220/25 = 8.8 ast/gm
108/25 = 4.3 TO/gm
85/25 = 3.4 stl/gm
And 6-1 PG Hill has 4 blocks.
So combined together, they make up a pretty darn good TEAM PG.
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During the Gators current win streak, 6 different Gators have led the TEAM in scoring. But then B-Ball is about a whole lot more than just scoring...
http://floridagators.com/news/2017/2/13/chris-harry-a-lesson-in-team.aspx
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SF Justin Leon 18 Pts, 5 Rbs, (4/8 3-Pt, named the PoG)
SF Canyon Barry 12 Pts (he stretched his streak of 'consecutive made free throws to 39,' which Florida announced was a UF record, breaking the previous mark of 35 set by Taurean Green during the 2005-06 season)
C John Egbunu 11 Pts, 10 Rbs, 2 Blk, (that double-double earned him the Game Ball)
PG Cheezy Chiozza 11 Pts, 8/10 FT's, 4 Rb, 5 Ast, 2 TO.
SG Kevaughn Allen 8 Pts, 3 Rbs, 5 Ast, 2 TO. (while he leads the team in per/gm scoring average, but has not led the TEAM even once in scoring during their current win streak)
A total of 6 players had 3 or more Rb's, and the TEAM shot (19/25) 76% at the line.
And a different group of players seems to carry the TEAM from game to game.
They are 5-5 vs Top 50 RPI teams so far, so there's no bad losses on their resume.'
* #15 Florida is currently projected as a 3 Seed (11) in the South Region, so a Sweet 16 team. However, projections and actually getting there are 2 different things, (as iG crosses his fingers).
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Haters gonna Hate, Nit-pickers are gonna nit, and pic their noses...
(while dunny-goaters eat the boogers)
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And as far as Foley's hiring of Mike White to replace BillyD goes:
When BillyD left UF after a 16 win (losing) season, Foley hired a young and upcoming Mike White. I said then that I thought that Mike was the best coach for the job, to follow a future HoF legend at UF.
Only 2 UF coaches have ever won 20+ games in their 1st season.
Mike White is one of them (21-15) and BillyD is NOT the other one.
BillyD didn't have his 1st winning season (22-9) until his 3rd year at UF.
Only 1 UF coach has ever won 20+ games in his first 2 seasons.
Mike White has already accomplished that feat (20-5) with 6 regular season games to go. (tolja)
Mike White's early success takes nothing away from what BillyD accomplished at UF. Because they can each stand on their own solid Gator accomplishments.
I was very sorry to see BillyD go, but I'm pretty darn happy with Foley's replacement for him....
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