I meant gun crimes of aggression......using a gun to attempt a crime. But however you count it, I'd think actual homicides would be a smallish part.
In before the gun confiscation NUTS.....
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Indeed, or possession of any part the ATF deems is a machine gun, like an auto sear or a giggle switch.
Criminals using the gun to commit violence plays 100% of a part in gun violence. Can you admit that?
Most definitely.
Most armed robbers don't shoot their victims.
"Deadly weapon" crimes would include crimes where a firearm was present but not fired, injuries by firearm, as well accidents deemed to be rooted in negligence.
I can honestly say I don't know where to find these statistics in one place, I imagine Dr. Kleck or someone doing research in that vein might have a published study.
@GatorTheo if we set a gun on the ground and no one touches it for one year, how many people will be killed by that gun?
Nw you seem to understand the TRUTH...even though it makes you look so silly. I have a test for you. Go borrow someone's gun and put it where no one can touch it. Watch it VERY close. Then tell me how long it takes to do something bad. Please stay there without taking you eyes off of it. Guns are sneaky, you know......
No...because it is a lie. Criminals are 100% responsible. Guns ZERO. You may not realize this...guns do not have brains and CANNOT autonomously act
No reasonable person believes guns can't hurt someone.
In fact, the fact they can is why they shouldn't be banned.
But if we banned everything that could hurt people we couldn't drive nails, chop an onion, fertilize our lawns, have painkillers, play baseball or golf, etc.
The point that you refuse to concede but fully understand is that a gun is incapable of causing harm by itself. It takes a person to decide to load, aim and pull the trigger.
Theo will argue about guns on the sports board in 3...2...1....
He even started gun arguments on other threads that have nothing to do with firearm discussions.
Must be some sort of a masochist because the only thing that KEEPS happening with Theo in these threads...is he gets slapped around.
Bingo. That's why if you want to solve the gun violence problem, you focus on the PERSON (criminal) not the tool (gun).
Theo either knows this and he's trolling for some bizarre reason, or he truly thinks simply removing guns from the equation also eliminates gun violence. Simple logic should tell him that's clearly not going to happen, but maybe he's simply so emotional about guns that he can't think straight.
Either way, it's bizarre behavior to those of us that actually want to see gun violence decreased. He should be on the same side as us, yet we are the 'gun nuts', for some reason. Even those of us that don't own a gun.
One day Theo is gonna find himself on the losing end of a shuffleboard game lawsuit where the puck went amuck. 😂 That puck didn't just push itself. 😂
I agree but some here don't.
For maybe the hundredth time.....I don't want to ban guns. Not many people do. Banning guns is not something you really need to worry about despite what the gun companies tell you.
Gee, why don't we ban knives or hammers or whatever.......dumb. Very dumb.
Obviously, a gun sitting by itself isn't going to commit a crime but that's meaningless. A hand grenade sitting in a closet isn't going to cause damage but everyone fully recognizes that hand grenades are dangerous weapons and shouldn't be freely disbursed.
You’ve created this “gun company boogeyman”.
Where are you seeing all of these comms from ANY gun company?
Have you ever heard of the gun lobby? The NRA? All fighting for the financial benefit of the gun companies.
Where do you think their money comes from?
Right. Is that how all the other lobby groups get their money?
https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-industry-funds-nra-2013-1
Such an IDIOTIC comparison...but am I surprised? I can tell you many ways a hang grenade IS dangerous. But a gun is NOT. ANYONE saying different is a boob. I have had from 1 gun to 50 at times this past 60 years or so. NEVEDR, EVER has one of my guns hurt anyone. Now I have shot birds, and some other animals...and they died. My gun, being an intimate object did NOT hurt those things. I did. If you used HALF of your energy (if you were REALLY worried about gun violence..which you are SO FOS..because you are NOT) understanding and helping with the REAL problem..you may do some good. With whst you do here you just make a fool of yourself. If you raised helll when liberal prosecutors refused to charge violent criminals and demanded they stay in jail where they belong..you THEN would be helping. But you choose to bark at a piece of steel that just does what someone makes it do. Guns do NOT have brains, son.....
Can you name even one lobby group who doesn't get their funding from those with a common interest? 😂 Gun OWNERS are the main source of their funding, not manufacturers.
There are many articles re. NRA funding.Can you name even one lobby group who doesn't get their funding from those with a common interest? 😂 Gun OWNERS are the main source of their funding, not manufacturers.
The NRA Loses One Million Members
New financial documents detail the severe erosion of the gun group's membership.
www.thetrace.org
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...om-its-charities-and-funded-political-groups/
And how many times in the past month have you
1) Rec’d a call from NRA?
2) Rec’d an email from the NRA?
3) Had a commercial pop up on TV from them?
4) Had someone personally approach you on their behalf?
My guess is zero. You’re going after a lobby for doing its job and working with politicians to protect the rights their organization was founded to protect.
And the entire point of special interests is to protect…special interests. The NRA gets an insane amount of small donations from individuals for a lobby. Those people are part of the established system we have where they pay people to advocate for rights they want to protect. Oh the horror.
And going after firearm manufacturers and retailers for donating to the same lobby is also ridiculous - their businesses feed families and give people gainful employment. Are they somehow any different than any other for profit industry that wants to survive?
You act like there’s an NRA sign on every corner and a TV commercial every break. I don’t hear from the NRA at all. I can’t tell if you’re more afraid of guns or the people that want to protect the right to own them…
There are, and you know what? Private donations ebb and flow with the priorities of our politicians.There are many articles re. NRA funding.
The NRA Loses One Million Members
New financial documents detail the severe erosion of the gun group's membership.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...om-its-charities-and-funded-political-groups/
Obama sold a ton of guns and generated a groundswell of private donations.
Biden is more worried about naps, the oil industry and diaper changes.
The money powering the NRA
From a small-town pharmacist to a commercial pilot, it's not just gunmakers that are funding the NRA’s political battles. Thousands of everyday people are donating too – and their donations are surging.
money.cnn.com
I'll be honest, if it wasn't for your posts on this board, I would never hear the terms 'NRA' or 'gun companies' or 'gun lobby'. You are literally the only person online or offline that I interact with who ever uses any of those terms.
Maybe I just don't connect with enough extremeists, idk.
Doesn't surprise me at all that they are losing members. I never see a single piece of communications from them. This is the group that you think is all powerful and manipulating millions of gun owners? LOLThere are many articles re. NRA funding.
The NRA Loses One Million Members
New financial documents detail the severe erosion of the gun group's membership.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/20...om-its-charities-and-funded-political-groups/
You are making @fatman76's point almost as well as he is.
I don't think I've seen a single NRA commercial in my life. It's possible, but I don't remember it. I think I saw Trump speak at an NRA convention once, that might be the only even minor exposure I've ever had with the org in my life.
@GatorTheo makes it even harder to take him seriously ranting about the all-powerful NRA/gun lobby. How is someone influencing my opinion if I never interact with them? LOL
It's OK that the gun industry lobbies for their financial well-being. All industries do the same. Tobacco, oil, etc.. I'm not criticizing the gun industry for doing so.There are, and you know what? Private donations ebb and flow with the priorities of our politicians.
Obama sold a ton of guns and generated a groundswell of private donations.
Biden is more worried about naps, the oil industry and diaper changes.
The money powering the NRA
From a small-town pharmacist to a commercial pilot, it's not just gunmakers that are funding the NRA’s political battles. Thousands of everyday people are donating too – and their donations are surging.money.cnn.com
Is mdfgator RayGravesGhost? Minus calling people racist, he has the same MO, insults and nonsensical nicknames, posting links from a single website, "trumpanzee," and creating posts where he is the sole respondent.
My point is throughout modern history the amount of small private donations vs corporate have fluctuated wildly, and it’s all based on narratives from politicians and how threatened people feel.
The industry knows the threat is always there, the general population has a million other things to worry about unless Obama is promising legislation and EO’s.
Yea but they are both BSC911 sock accounts.
And how many examples has he provided the board with?
Actually the common belief is that he is bsuck
Ray ray is his own brand of crazy. Even bsc isn't as bad as he is.
mdf is bsc's burner account. I know fresno doesn't believe it, but let's just say I know.
None. He thinks guns are the issue, and that's why he hates the NRA. Cause he thinks the NRA is tricking people into buying guns.
He's operating from a position of complete ignorance on multiple levels. That plus him being terrified of guns is a nasty combination.
That's the point I tried to make to @GatorTheo. He and the left do more to spark gun sales than the NRA ever could.
You are the last person on the board to be telling anyone else they are scared of anything.
