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2019 recruiting class pointing to major recruiting problems?

I've always said that he can't recruit. I don't mind pointing out Mullen's weaknesses as well as his strengths.

That's what being a realist is all about. Class dismissed.
Maybe you forgot or thought you had posted it under one of your many other aliases, but you have gone from changing your position that he isn't recruiting well because he hasn't built relationships with high school coaches in Florida to he just isn't a good recruiter/can't recruit. You got huffy when I said just that. Just thought I would point that out. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned that you are coming around to my way of thinking, but this I promise you I am committed to the continuation of your education. You are welcome.
 
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Even the Homosissy is bitch-slappin' the GhostOfBrainless around for his stupidity...
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he isn't recruiting well because he hasn't built relationships with high school coaches in Florida to he just isn't a good recruiter/can't recruit.

Doesn't that feed the other? He's a bad recruiter because he can't build relationships. I've heard folks from MSU say he has a serious personality disorder.
 
Doesn't that feed the other? He's a bad recruiter because he can't build relationships. I've heard folks from MSU say he has a serious personality disorder.
With your head stored up in that warm dark place, you might hear all kinds of chitty stuff.. :cool:
(criminole fart echos mostly I'm guessing) :oops:
 
And you being a grown ass adult posting stupid ****ing smileys come across as a sick pedo peter puffer.
Whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.... :(

At least I'm 'coming' across you on my own Gator board, not on the snore-rant for losers board... :cool:
 
Maybe you forgot or thought you had posted it under one of your many other aliases

Well let's see...

From July 25th:

You're right where you should be in recruiting. Mullen is a better coach than recruiter. Anyone that thought he was going to come in and immediately snag 5-stars wasn't being realistic.

It sounds like you are at least partly judging Mullen's recruiting on what Kirby did when he got to Georgia. You shouldn't, Kirbs is an elite recruiter, Mullen is not.

Coaching and player development is where Mullen will have immediate impacts. Once you start to see the fruit from that, then the recruiting will follow.

From July 29th:

Steve Spurrier did ok and his first class was far worse than Mullen's.

If recruiting was all that counted, Ron Zook would still be at Florida.

Mullen will never be as good of a recruiter as Kirby Smart is. On the other hand, Kirby will likely never be as good at player development and coaching as Mullen is.

Those who actually understand the game know that a coach who can develop players is far more valuable than a coach who can recruit. Ideally you want both, but if you can only choose one, the smart fan will pick player development every time.

From July 30th:

Smart is a better recruiter than Mullen and Georgia is a better program than Florida right now.

This isn't that hard to understand.


Looks like you've missed a lot, but then again that's easy to do when you're busy trying to be a secretary and White Knight for Fever at the same time.
 
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Dabo loves Clemson, but Bama is home. And Saban and Dabo are best buds, Saban will give his blessing to the hire and Dabo will come home.....until Nick coaches till he is 80.

I don't get this, and I hear it from almost all of my Bama friends.

I understand the whole "he's from Bama, he went to Bama, look at what he's done at Clemson!" Mentality, but, the guy doesn't really "fit" what Bama is now, culturally. And more importantly, he's a God at Clemson. He's they're Bobby Bowden. Unless he falls off the tracks, they're not ever going to fire him (not for years and years and years.) if he goes to Bama, he'll immediately be expected to win a title year one (and you know that's true).

Seems like an odd move, and strongly motivated by the fact that he barely managed to beat you one time.

Here's another interesting factor. When does Saban retire? Does he retire at the end of this contract in like 8 years?

Dabo would be 56-57 years old. Who is here at that point in his career? Is he really the best candidate that far down the road? Even five years down the road?

I just don't understand it.
 
I don't get this, and I hear it from almost all of my Bama friends.

I understand the whole "he's from Bama, he went to Bama, look at what he's done at Clemson!" Mentality, but, the guy doesn't really "fit" what Bama is now, culturally. And more importantly, he's a God at Clemson. He's they're Bobby Bowden. Unless he falls off the tracks, they're not ever going to fire him (not for years and years and years.) if he goes to Bama, he'll immediately be expected to win a title year one (and you know that's true).

Seems like an odd move, and strongly motivated by the fact that he barely managed to beat you one time.

Here's another interesting factor. When does Saban retire? Does he retire at the end of this contract in like 8 years?

Dabo would be 56-57 years old. Who is here at that point in his career? Is he really the best candidate that far down the road? Even five years down the road?

I just don't understand it.

Couple of points:

1 - Saban really likes him. When Saban retires, whoever he recommends as his replacement is going to be the top candidate. It will be their job to turn down.

....to that point.....

2 - A few months ago a reporter asked him if he would ever consider coming to Alabama if offered, and he replied "Never say never." All he had to do was say "I'm at Clemson and I love Clemson", the standard answer. Instead, he seemed to intentionally be signalling that he would want to talk to Bama.


Nick Saban likes him, Gene Stallings loves him. No other coach will be in a better position to get the offer.

Having said that, he'll have been at Clemson a LONG time by the time the call comes from Bama, and you never know for certain what any coach would do.

But I think Nick wants him to be the guy that succeeds him, and he will ask Dabo to do it. You have to remember that Nick doesn't want to see a bad coach follow him and ruin what he built, he saw what has happened at LSU with Miles and now the Ogre, and he's taking notes.

I would say he's the odds-on favorite. Maybe it's someone else, but at this point I dunno who that would be. It seems we want him and it seems he wants us.
 
Couple of points:

1 - Saban really likes him. When Saban retires, whoever he recommends as his replacement is going to be the top candidate. It will be their job to turn down.

....to that point.....

2 - A few months ago a reporter asked him if he would ever consider coming to Alabama if offered, and he replied "Never say never." All he had to do was say "I'm at Clemson and I love Clemson", the standard answer. Instead, he seemed to intentionally be signalling that he would want to talk to Bama.


Nick Saban likes him, Gene Stallings loves him. No other coach will be in a better position to get the offer.

Having said that, he'll have been at Clemson a LONG time by the time the call comes from Bama, and you never know for certain what any coach would do.

But I think Nick wants him to be the guy that succeeds him, and he will ask Dabo to do it. You have to remember that Nick doesn't want to see a bad coach follow him and ruin what he built, he saw what has happened at LSU with Miles and now the Ogre, and he's taking notes.

I would say he's the odds-on favorite. Maybe it's someone else, but at this point I dunno who that would be. It seems we want him and it seems he wants us.

That's fair.

I guess I'm more curious as to why so many Bama fans seem enthralled with him. But I suppose it has to do with those factors as well.
 
That's fair.

I guess I'm more curious as to why so many Bama fans seem enthralled with him. But I suppose it has to do with those factors as well.

After the 2015 NC game, a lot of Bama fans didn't want him. When he beat Nick the following year, that calmed the fears that a lot of fans had that he could get to the big game, but couldn't win it. He beat #1 Bama fair and square, and I think that was when a LOT of Bama fans got on board with wanting him.

There's still a few Bama fans that don't, but that's idiotic. The dude signs stud Top 10 classes every year despite being in one of the worst recruiting areas in the South, and he's been made it to 3 straight playoffs and won a NC. Not much else he could do.
 
Looks like you've missed a lot, but then again that's easy to do when you're busy trying to be a secretary and White Knight for Fever at the same time.

lol I see the media is finally bringing it up to Mullen that the fans are concerned how recruiting is going. His response - finding diamonds in the rough. Yes you will find diamonds in the rough occasionally but hope isn't a winning strategy for long.
 
Gus won the SEC his first year at aubarn. Kirby won the SEC his 2nd year at Georgia.

Did you know that up till a few years ago there was a plan in place to have Kirby succeed Saban? It was so far along that they had started hiring Kirby's staff into analyst roles at Bama, with the thinking being that Kirby would elevate them to his staff when he took over.

Saban decided he didn't want to retire, and Kirby decided that he didn't want to wait years to get his coaching shot.

Dabo loves Clemson, but Bama is home. And Saban and Dabo are best buds, Saban will give his blessing to the hire and Dabo will come home.....until Nick coaches till he is 80.
So Bama had a plan to keep Kirby as an assistant for 15+ years a few years ago??? LOL.
 
So Bama had a plan to keep Kirby as an assistant for 15+ years a few years ago??? LOL.

No this was the plan up till 2013 or so. I suspect that Nick was still open to leaving Tuscaloosa at that point, and he was grooming Kirby to replace him. Remember he talked to Tejas after the 2012 season, they reportedly threw $100M at him, and he said no.

I think when he told the Longhorns no, that's when he and Miss Terry decided that they were going to stay in Tuscaloosa till he retired. That also meant Kirby wasn't getting the Bama job which also coincides with the fact that he started interviewing for other jobs around this time.
 
If Mullen signs a full class in 2019, I suspect it will be either Top 10 or Top 15. I suspect the 2020 class will be Top 5 or Top 10, if he signs a full class.

Mullen has signed one class at Florida. It was the highest star average for a Florida class since 2010, and 3rd highest in the SEC behind only Alabama and Georgia.

That's good. That's very good.

You are judging the 2019 class based on commitments. Again, you don't understand how recruiting works. Nothing counts till the LOI is signed. It could be that Mullen has 5 private commitments that you don't know about. It could be that 5 of the current 3-star commits have been told that they no longer have an offer.

You seem to have multiple positions on the same subject. His recruiting is "good, very good". Might have a Top 5 or Top 10 recruiting class??? The evolution of your thoughts on recruiting aren't important, it's just good to see you finally draw the right conclusion. Try to stick with it. You seem a little wishy washy. You seem fixated on secretaries, did you not make the typing team back in high school and have a grudge? Don't you have a therapy gerbil that comforts you with this trauma?
 
Yep, And you objected to my saying that JImbo (an elite recruiter) was going to sign Top 5 classes now that he's coaching in the middle of the best recruiting base in the country.

Then you turned around and implied that Kirby would soon be winning NCs because he signed one #1 class.

Kirby isn't Saban, and quite honestly, he's not Jimbo either. Saban has won multiple NCs from signing multiple #1 classes. Jimbo has won a NC without ever signing a #1 class.

Right now, Kirby is just another guy that signed a #1 class and didn't win anything with it. Maybe that changes, but until it does, I'm not going to make the mistake of giving Kirby credit for winning something that he hasn't proven he can.

Without getting the benefit of some no calls, like motion on the game tying TD, UGA being called offsides on the punt block when he clearly wasn't, Bama was in motion, again no call by the same official, Kirby would have won it his first attempt. But officiating is part of the game, it's just odd that every call and none call went Bama's way, normally they even out. But all of that shouldn't matter, Bama shouldn't have even been in the playoffs, committee gave them a bye to get healthy. In the NFL teams who win divisions get byes, not the wildcards.
 
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You seem to have multiple positions on the same subject. His recruiting is "good, very good". Might have a Top 5 or Top 10 recruiting class??? The evolution of your thoughts on recruiting aren't important, it's just good to see you finally draw the right conclusion. Try to stick with it. You seem a little wishy washy. You seem fixated on secretaries, did you not make the typing team back in high school and have a grudge? Don't you have a therapy gerbil that comforts you with this trauma?

Just because you are a bad recruiter doesn't mean you are going to have bad classes. Steve Spurrier was a terrible recruiter who hated recruiting, but he got Top 10 classes every year. Why? Because his teams won and he was great at developing his offensive players. So offensive players wanted to play for him.

Mullen isn't a great recruiter, but he's at a great program with a great recruiting base. He IS great at coaching and player development, which will lead to wins.

Which leads to better recruiting. AKA the Steve Spurrier model. Maybe you're just a new Gator fan and don't know who that is.
 
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So Georgia got its butt kicked by a team that shouldn't even have made the playoffs? And with their backup QB?

Wow, Kirby really is a choker.
Butts kicked? Haha... it took the best coach in CFB history overtime to beat our 2nd year coach... and, according to the national media, an inept Big Ten officiating crew.
 
Butts kicked? Haha... it took the best coach in CFB history overtime to beat our 2nd year coach... and, according to the national media, an inept Big Ten officiating crew.

Kirbs had a 13-point lead in the NC game, and got outscored 26-10 in the second half.

Gus choked like that in the 2013 NC. Pruitt was the FSU DC, Pruitt was the Bama DC.

Kinda cool the symmetry there.
 
Kirbs had a 13-point lead in the NC game, and got outscored 26-10 in the second half.

Gus choked like that in the 2013 NC. Pruitt was the FSU DC, Pruitt was the Bama DC.

Kinda cool the symmetry there.
Ask Saban if Bama kicked ass in that game. The good thing for UGA, which Bama fans refuse to see, is that Kirby is closing the talent gap. We're pretty much there now.
 
Ask Saban if Bama kicked ass in that game. The good thing for UGA, which Bama fans refuse to see, is that Kirby is closing the talent gap. We're pretty much there now.

And if Tua starts the NC game, Bama wins by 30. That's what Georgia fans fail to see.

You better worry about staying ahead of Florida and Mullen, that will be tough enough.
 
Just because you are a bad recruiter doesn't mean you are going to have bad classes. Steve Spurrier was a terrible recruiter who hated recruiting, but he got Top 10 classes every year. Why? Because his teams won and he was great at developing his offensive players. So offensive players wanted to play for him.

Mullen isn't a great recruiter, but he's at a great program with a great recruiting base. He IS great at coaching and player development, which will lead to wins.

Which leads to better recruiting. AKA the Steve Spurrier model. Maybe you're just a new Gator fan and don't know who that is.
....leads to wins to the tune of 7 on average per year with a watered down scheduled.

Steve who? Never heard of him, but I worked for a guy with the same name at 2 different programs. Damn son, Insta may be right about you. Say hi to your therapy gerbil after you've got enough fresh air and head back up. BTW, Dan Mullen is no Steve Spurrier. Not in recruiting. Not in coaching. Not in player development. Coach Spurrier beat Bama at USC, Mullen has not. Coach Spurrier won a divisional championship (at USC), Mullen has not. Compare Coach's record vs. top 25 and don't even include his record at UF. No comparison. WTH you think made UF a great program? Please stop with your nonsense.
 
....leads to wins to the tune of 7 on average per year with a watered down scheduled.

Dude, Mullen averaged more wins than that at Miss State. LMAO!

So you think you take Dan Mullen....add Florida's resources, facilities, brand recognition, recruiting base and Mullen is going to have FEWER wins in Gainesville than he did in Starkville?

Bless your heart. And Obvious Lee's.....LOL
 
And if Tua starts the NC game, Bama wins by 30. That's what Georgia fans fail to see.

You better worry about staying ahead of Florida and Mullen, that will be tough enough.
You have no clue what happens if Tua starts. What coach starts a true freshman when his sophomore is 29-2 as a starter? Now you know more than Saban? Lol
 
You have no clue what happens if Tua starts. What coach starts a true freshman when his sophomore is 29-2 as a starter? Now you know more than Saban? Lol

A coach that wants to win the NC.

Kirby should have been prepared. He and Mel Tucker had no clue what was happening in the 2nd half, they are lucky they didn't see him to start the game.
 
A coach that wants to win the NC.

Kirby should have been prepared. He and Mel Tucker had no clue what was happening in the 2nd half, they are lucky they didn't see him to start the game.
So you're now saying Saban didn't want to win since he didn't start Tua? Lol.
The only people that didn't have a clue were the Big Ten refs.
 
So you're now saying Saban didn't want to win since he didn't start Tua? Lol.
The only people that didn't have a clue were the Big Ten refs.

Saban is loyal to a fault. If a player does what he asks and buys into his system, he tends to stick with them even when there are better, younger players. He has always had a blindside toward players like this.

Everyone on his staff was telling him to give Tua more of a role. His OC told him in November that Tua was ready and they should start rotating him into the game and use both QBs. Saban never considered it because he was loyal to Jalen.

The week before the Clemson game, Jalen was sick and couldn't practice. Tua ran the first team offense and dazzled. Saban finally realized that everyone had been right about Tua, and when Jalen was clearly the reason why Bama was trailing in the NC, Saban finally pulled him.

Tua is the best passing QB I've ever seen at Bama and maybe period. The kid's natural instincts are off the charts. Go watch the game-winning pass against Georgia, he looks off the safety and holds him in the center of the field till the last second, then throws to the left hash. That's a move that most NFL QBs haven't mastered.

Trent Dilfer runs the Elite 11 QB Camp (which Tua won), and says Tua will win the Heisman this year.

And FYI, his younger brother might be even better. He arrives in Jan.
 
Dude, Mullen averaged more wins than that at Miss State. LMAO!

So you think you take Dan Mullen....add Florida's resources, facilities, brand recognition, recruiting base and Mullen is going to have FEWER wins in Gainesville than he did in Starkville?

Bless your heart. And Obvious Lee's.....LOL
Oh dear!!!! Tuscaloosa (or is it Hattiesburg?) we have a problem. Now I know UA degrees don't mean much to anyone outside the state of Alabama, but do they have any kind of math requirement? No wonder academia look down their noses at you poor souls.

Mullen was 69-46 at MSU over 9 years. Big boy math tells you to divide 69 by 9, which gives you 7.67. However, as any statistician (or 12 year old) will tell you that is not 8 and since we are talking about games won we can only use the whole number (7).

For the sake of your employer I hope your duties don't include anything analytical or frankly common sense. I suspect from your posts, you have a position that requires you to sit on your scooter in your padded helmet and bright vest, welcoming patrons to Walmart.

BTW, I am not looking for more wins than he had in Starkville. I want championships.

You can move on to 3rd period now schoolboy.
 
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Mullen was 69-46 at MSU over 9 years. Big boy math tells you to divide 69 by 9, which gives you 7.67. However, as any statistician (or 12 year old) will tell you that is not 8 and since we are talking about games won we can only use the whole number (7).

The 12 year-old also knows that you are wrong, secretary. Maybe you should turn your account over to him, or put Obvious Lee back on :D:D:D
 
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Saban is loyal to a fault. If a player does what he asks and buys into his system, he tends to stick with them even when there are better, younger players. He has always had a blindside toward players like this.

Everyone on his staff was telling him to give Tua more of a role. His OC told him in November that Tua was ready and they should start rotating him into the game and use both QBs. Saban never considered it because he was loyal to Jalen.

The week before the Clemson game, Jalen was sick and couldn't practice. Tua ran the first team offense and dazzled. Saban finally realized that everyone had been right about Tua, and when Jalen was clearly the reason why Bama was trailing in the NC, Saban finally pulled him.

Tua is the best passing QB I've ever seen at Bama and maybe period. The kid's natural instincts are off the charts. Go watch the game-winning pass against Georgia, he looks off the safety and holds him in the center of the field till the last second, then throws to the left hash. That's a move that most NFL QBs haven't mastered.

Trent Dilfer runs the Elite 11 QB Camp (which Tua won), and says Tua will win the Heisman this year.

And FYI, his younger brother might be even better. He arrives in Jan.
Saban loyal to a fault? If this were true, he wouldn't process players. That's not a shot at him, it's just how it is. Tua is good, no doubt but you may want to pump the brakes a little. On his first td pass, he didn't even see Ridley nor was he throwing to Ridley. On his second td pass that tied the game, the left wideout left before the ball was snapped... a no call on 4th down that would have probably changed to a fg. He also was an inch from throwing an int in the end zone before the game was tied had Sanders not had a foot on the line. On the game winner Tua did a great job looking off Sanders as you said, but had Parrish, our cb, bumped Smith at the line like he was supposed to instead of letting him run free, Sanders makes it to the ball. The scary thing is that Tua is extremely talented and will learn from his mistakes... and should only get better. We should probably let him play a season before giving him the Heisman though. Dilfer is probably not the best guy to quote. He's the same guy who said Sanchez was going to be the better QB over Stafford because he grabbed the car keys off of the table first. I agree Tua may be the most talented QB Saban has ever had, but let's see him play a season where people are game planning for him and he stays healthy. Just to be clear, I hope he stays healthy. I would never wish that on any opponent/kid.
 
Saban loyal to a fault? If this were true, he wouldn't process players. That's not a shot at him, it's just how it is. Tua is good, no doubt but you may want to pump the brakes a little. On his first td pass, he didn't even see Ridley nor was he throwing to Ridley. On his second td pass that tied the game, the left wideout left before the ball was snapped... a no call on 4th down that would have probably changed to a fg. He also was an inch from throwing an int in the end zone before the game was tied had Sanders not had a foot on the line. On the game winner Tua did a great job looking off Sanders as you said, but had Parrish, our cb, bumped Smith at the line like he was supposed to instead of letting him run free, Sanders makes it to the ball. The scary thing is that Tua is extremely talented and will learn from his mistakes... and should only get better. We should probably let him play a season before giving him the Heisman though. Dilfer is probably not the best guy to quote. He's the same guy who said Sanchez was going to be the better QB over Stafford because he grabbed the car keys off of the table first. I agree Tua may be the most talented QB Saban has ever had, but let's see him play a season where people are game planning for him and he stays healthy. Just to be clear, I hope he stays healthy. I would never wish that on any opponent/kid.

I watched him in the other Bama regular season games.

He'd go out there with a bunch of freshmen against the other teams second string and just demolish them with ease.

It was night and day and a bit demoralizing.
 
The 12 year-old also knows that you are wrong, secretary. Maybe you should turn your account over to him, or put Obvious Lee back on :D:D:D
You probably should stick to Batman Comics and small rodents cuz football and math are not your strong suit.
I am still cloudy on the whole secretary thing, but your requests to be called Mr. Under-Secretary during our sessions is much clearer.
 
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