I’m surprised so many people bought Mac. I tabbed his as a corny, fake goober from his original PC. He just tried way too hard and those are almost always the people full of shit. Throw in the fact that his offenses were beyond pedestrian at Bama and I knew he wasn’t the guy to fix our issues. And then came the 14 point game against UK where his retarded scheme had Grier running for his life and I was done right then.
2019 recruiting class pointing to major recruiting problems?
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McElwain was a great OC at Bama. He coached 3 different QBs in 4 years and each one greatly improved under his watch. The playcalling was vanilla but it always is with Saban. What I never understood is why he hired Nussmeier to be his OC, as he was a complete bust at Bama. I think if he would have taken a more active role in the playcalling and gotten a decent OC that the offense at UF would have been among the best in the SEC.
But besides all that, definitely a culture clash, he needs to go back West where he'd fit in.
Great OC and being vanilla are sort of an oxymoron. They didn’t do anything but line up and run over people with monster backs, by definition any OC could do that. Their offense was ALWAYS their weakness those years too. And if you listen to Saban that wasn’t his preference, he’s stated Jimbo was his favorite OC and then he went and hired Kiffin just to move away from that bland, low scoring style McElwain and Nuss brought there. McElwain was a complete fraud as some type of offensive genius or QB whisperer. He didn’t get involved because he was just as incompetent without Bama’s talent to make him look average.
As a Bama fan, I can tell you that Saban loved McElwain, because he ran the precise offense that he wanted. Saban always talks about how he wants to air it out and throw the ball, but he doesn't, that's just patter for recruits. Last year everyone on the team was telling him to play Tua cause they saw what a pure passer he was, but he wouldn't even entertain putting him in. Then at halftime of the NC game, he puts Tua in and spins it as if it was a great decision he made on his own. Daboll had been pushing him to play Tua for weeks, I think that's a big part of the reason why Daboll left.
As for Nussmeier, his playcalling cost us the 2013 Iron Bowl and a shot at a threepeat. No one on aubarn's team could cover Amari Cooper, he was wide open every pass, but Nussmeier only threw him the ball about 5 times all game and he still had almost 200 yards. But Nuss wanted to prove that Bama had a better running game than aubarn did, and we didn't. So Nuss is sitting there with the Maxwell Award winner at QB, and the Biletnikoff Award winner at WR, and he keeps running Yeldon up the middle for 3 yards cause he wants to prove that his offense can outrush Tre Mason. Idiot.
BTW check out what McElwain's offenses did at Colorado State from 2012-2014 without Nuss.....
2012 - 339 YPG
2013 - 472 YPG
2014 - 498 YPG
As for Saban hiring Kiffin, he saw how offenses with mobile QBs were giving his defense fits, and he decided to bring in Kiffin to give him the same type of offense. Kiffin did a great job with playcalling, and Saban hated him for calling so many passes. The entire time Kiffin was there, Saban was on him to run the ball more.
Never heard that version. I do know that McElwain didn't take him with him at Florida, and when Mike Bobo was hired to replace McElwain, he immediately fired Baldwin and the entire offensive staff.
Baldwin's been in coaching for 40 years and has had almost that many jobs. If CSU was running his offense, I suspect he would have gotten a better job, or at least been able to keep his.
Yep Mac ended up ruining himself and that OC because he took a job with a guy that just ran the ball after Mac hung him out and hired about the worst OC in all of college football from Michigan.
Lol they weren't that good for the talent they had on offense. They just ran over other teams and had wide open receivers on play actions due to that.
geeshhh, my finger actually got tired from all that scrolling.
geeshhh, my finger actually got tired from all that scrolling.
Well obviously we aren't going to finish there but I am holding out a small ray of hope that we get 4 blue chippers to commit by Wednesday. I would also take 3 at this point.
Unbelievable but I would give us one 5 star since Rivals gave us one in 2016.
Emery was a UT "Legacy" ( Emery Sr. was a lineman back in the early 1990's)that UT did not recruit( Neither did Ogre even though he is an in-state La. product) because he said he wasn't going to go where teams played "Power football" as he wanted to save his body for the NFL..
He ain't a 5* RB either.
Dawgs have two 5* Commits according to Rivals
Only one 5* Commit according to ESPN.
Seems like Instant has some Dawg relatives who also go by Joe's Bait & Tackle Recruiting Rankings Service.
Dawgs did pick up two 5* RB's in the 2018 class and a 6.0 4* in the 2017 class so Emery will have plenty of time to save his body.( he wants to be a 3rd down specialist who catch flairs and screens, out of the backfield as well as run an occasional draw.)
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I just use Rivals generally and its crazy what has gone on since Smart took over. Up until this point in the 2019 class Georgia has 15 five stars to just 1 for Florida and an even crazier stat is that he has pulled 4 five stars from FL while we have pulled none from our state in that time.
That you know of.
Smart is following the same model that Saban taught him at Bama: Lock down all your commits early and let them go public to put pressure on other kids to commit before they run out of room. Then at the end of the class, process the lower commits on your board, if you have to.
A lot of recruits won't pull the trigger on Florida till they see how the team does this season. If you were a 5-star from Florida, and Georgia offered you, even IF you were interested in Florida or even favoring them, you would want to see how the season goes before committing.
Just your reality right now and not at all surprising to anyone that understands recruiting.
This makes a lot of sense. But Smart was blowing everybody's doors off from the get go, and it's not like UGA had good on-field results to sell. McElwain (!) was running the east before Smart got there. It's one thing to have the 'Bama model, but he didn't have anything close to 'Bama's track record to sell. So some (a lot) of it is personality-driven.
You can either recruit or you can't. I was kind of surprised to see some staff at other pay sites admitting this basically in recent days saying recruiting usually doesnt wait for better results on the field and its about the coaches ability to recruit. Dan probably won't like to see them admitting that.
We are the only big Southern football school to have new coaches recruit this crappy in recent years - Mac and Mullen.
Few new coaches ever get the opportunity to take over for a fired coach like Kirby did. Dawgs were stacked 3-4 deep about everywhere other than the OL. Richt always recruited well. But could be counted on to play down to the level of his opponents 3-4 times a year and lose at least two of those.
With the level of talent in-state and the national draw his product has now, Smart is in the same position Spurrier and CUM were when they were at Florida, Bowden when he was at Free Shoes & all U can eat Crab Legs Crab Legs, and Jimmy Johnson when he was at Miami and their teams were competing on the National Level
The best wanted to play for them. They didn't HAVE to try to sell playing time, competing for bowls or division titles.
Meanwhile, the following pic of Dan Dan the squatting man is making the rounds.
Didn't anybody tell him White Men Can't Jump and shouldn't try to do the Ghetto Gangsta Grin?
Well,
at least he has his clothes on and ain't humping a dead Mako shark.
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You have to remember that Kirby's recruiting territory at Bama was Georgia. He already knew all the high school coaches and had those relationships in place. Mullen doesn't have those relationships in place, and is having to build them now. Those high school relationships are vitally important, it's a big reason why Kirby was able to come in and recruit well immediately. Plus, he's an elite recruiter. So is Pruitt, and he covered a lot of the same recruiting areas at Bama that will be key for Cheatersee.
Mullen isn't an elite recruiter, and doesn't have those relationships with the high school coaches in place within Florida. It will take a year or two to start building them. Another reason why the hand-wringing over Florida's 2019 class is misplaced.
The best recruiting Mullen has is a good season this year. If Florida wins a lot and is competitive in the East, that will get a lot of recruits' attention.
Let me guess Smart's area was Florida in addition to Georgia since he is stomping us locally for 5 stars also?
Also we wont look good with Franks at QB.
Smart is a better recruiter than Mullen and Georgia is a better program than Florida right now.
This isn't that hard to understand.
Give an honest answer on why Mac and Mullen are the only 2 new coaches at the big football schools in the south in recent years that have had crappy recruiting results if having bad recruiting staffs isn't the issue?
Mullen's only class was 3rd in the SEC in star average behind only Alabama and Georgia.
lol A good way to deflect but I am starting to wonder if those MSU fans aren't right about Mullen's staff struggling to get the top recruits the longer they are exposed to each other since his 2nd and 3rd class went down from his time shortened 1st class at MSU just like he is on the path to doing here it looks like.
Well you said a lot of recent coaches in the SEC have recruited better than Mac did. Mullen you can't include since his only class was great, but you want to include him anyway. Fine.
Butch Jones recruited great. He got fired.
Will Muschamp recruited great. He got fired.
Hugh Freeze recruited great. He got fired.
Les Miles recruited great. He got fired.
Mark Richt recruited great. He got fired.
Kevin Sumlin recruited great. He got fired.
Know why they all got fired? Because they stunk at player development.
Mullen doesn't. Player development is more important than recruiting. #TheMoreYouKnow
I don't care if they got fired. Mullen's development got them a 3 - 34 record against their good opponents in his 9 years there. I only care about our recruiting right now because you wont be winning the SEC without good recruits. Right now with Georgia recruiting the way they are this may be the last year for a while where their talent doesnt just overwhelm us meaning we will only beat them when we pull a huge upset. Mullen needs to go to work on this right when the season ends and switch out some dead weight recruiters. At least 2 good recruiters need to be brought on staff.
But they were all great recruiters, how did they get fired if all it takes to win is great recruiting?
Any ideas?
Few new coaches ever get the opportunity to take over for a fired coach like Kirby did. Dawgs were stacked 3-4 deep about everywhere other than the OL. Richt always recruited well. But could be counted on to play down to the level of his opponents 3-4 times a year and lose at least two of those.
With the level of talent in-state and the national draw his product has now, Smart is in the same position Spurrier and CUM were when they were at Florida, Bowden when he was at Free Shoes & all U can eat Crab Legs Crab Legs, and Jimmy Johnson when he was at Miami and their teams were competing on the National Level
The best wanted to play for them. They didn't HAVE to try to sell playing time, competing for bowls or division titles.
Meanwhile, the following pic of Dan Dan the squatting man is making the rounds.
Didn't anybody tell him White Men Can't Jump and shouldn't try to do the Ghetto Gangsta Grin?
Well,
at least he has his clothes on and ain't humping a dead Mako shark.
3* Dan going full gang banger which makes this tweet he deleted make sense
3* Dan using Aaron Hernandez to sell his offense to a recruit?
Don Wolken
Maybe it’s not a big deal, and I know he played in the Mullen system, but I can’t imagine telling a recruit that we want you to be the Aaron Hernandez of our offense. That just seems… off.
He's not saying recruiting is all it takes. He's just saying recruiting is a prerequisite. It's necessary but not sufficient. Who would be examples of coaches in the SEC who have outperformed their recruiting, in your opinion?
3* Dan going full gang banger which makes this tweet he deleted make sense
3* Dan using Aaron Hernandez to sell his offense to a recruit?
Don Wolken
Maybe it’s not a big deal, and I know he played in the Mullen system, but I can’t imagine telling a recruit that we want you to be the Aaron Hernandez of our offense. That just seems… off.
Well that's all he's talking about, so I think he is. And even when he is reminded of the importance of player development, coaching and facilities, he dismisses each.
Mullen isn't an elite recruiter like Saban and Smart, or even Pruitt. So it's going to take something else, like winning games, for Florida to start getting regular Top 10 classes.
As for coaches who have outperformed their recruiting, I would say Saban, Mullen, Malzahn and even Smart have so far outperformed their recruiting. There's a much longer list of coaches who signed top classes, and then went onto be fired, Florida has had a few of them over the last 15 years, which makes the lusting over recruiting as being everything even more curious.
You know I am not saying that. I am saying you have no chance in the SEC without good recruiting. That Newton led Auburn team is about the only one that didn't have really good recruiting prior to winning the SEC in quite a few years.
This was from 09 to the 13 seasons comparing Massey final rankings to Rivals recruiting results. The recruiting numbers started a couple of years prior to 2009 to account for the players on the field.
You can see only a couple of SEC teams even out did their recruiting by much. It had Miss State as performing even to their recruiting basically. You cant compete for the SEC without real good recruiting. There is a reason most outperforming teams there aren't from the SEC and many are from non - power 5 conferences.
I think DannyGator pegged you, you just want to complain even if the facts are against you. I told you that Mullen winning at Florida will drive recruiting, and you claimed it wouldn't matter. That alone proves there's no point in taking you seriously on this topic.
Mullen has signed one class, it was the 3rd best in the SEC by star average, and you want to fire 3-4 coaches after the season cause they aren't recruiting well enough. LOL
lol You need to look around even many of the usual sunshine pumpers are all over Mullen for his sh*tty recruiting. Saying stuff that the mods on the pay sites would have censored under our past 2 coaches in their first year. People have woken up to this nightmare scenario Mullen is setting us up for with his recruiting staff.
Nightmare scenario. Mullen has signed one class, it had the 3rd highest star avg in the SEC, and highest since Urban.
Nightmare scenario. Like I said, I've seen this episode before.
You must be from the University but I give you credit since you are willing to go down with the sinking ship telling us its not taking on water.
When you start SIGNING 3-star classes, then I'll agree with you that Mullen isn't performing as well as he should be. I'm going on facts, not internet speculation.
I do find it amusing that you are so enamored with blue chippers but don't care any about the boatload of blue chip QBs, RBs and WRs that Mullen signed in Feb who are reporting for camp in a few days. The smart fan would see the impact thees playmakers will make, and would be willing to give Mullen a chance since he's done so well in recruiting so far.
Nightmare scenario.
