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2019 recruiting class pointing to major recruiting problems?
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Here are your relevant facts:
Here are your relevant facts:
5 stars - 2, 4 stars - 15
5 stars - 1, 4 stars - 12
5 stars - 0, 4 stars - 6
Those current verbals won't become facts until the 2019 LOI's arrive.
2019 ESPN - 10 4 stars with 2 3 stars.
Actual facts look like this:
2018 Class Late Additions: (not included in recruit class rankings)
DE/DT Adam Shuler II 6-4 270 rsJr ****- Longwood, FL (WVa Grad-xfer)
WVa - 24 Gms - 67 Tkls, 9 TFL, 4 Sacks, 1 FR
WR Van Jefferson 6-2 195 rsJr **** - EE Fr All SEC (Ms xfer)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
~ 8-13-18 Also cleared to play in 2018 by SEC
TE/DE Lucas Krull 6-7 255 rsSo **** - Shawnee, Kan - JuCo xfer
2 year Juco Grad that still has 3 years of eligibility to play.
WR Trevon Grimes 6-4 202 So ***** - EE (tOSU xfer, now 6-5 217)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
#1 LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 *****- A Rubio 5 Star - P-WO
ILB Umstead Sanders 6-2 240 Jr *** - Juco xfer - P-WO
Ath/WR Jaylin Jackson 5-8 171 ** (30-5 as a starting QB-dt, CB, KR)
Offers: UK, ColoSt, AF, Army, GaSt, but chose P-WO at UF instead.
Bringing his 2018 actual class of 18 up to 25 total:
With 2 five stars, 17 four stars, and 5 three stars.
Plus an under-rated P-WO 2 star - Ath - QB-dt, RB, WR, PR, CB.
Wasn’t OUs average star rating 3.61 and UFs was 3.78 for the 2018 recruiting class? UFs 2018 class was better than OUs.3* Dans Rivals Rankings 2018 class #18 ( fact )
Yup. And Muschamp couldn’t beat them on the field. Hmmm....
lol He crushed them in 2014 at least and left it where Mac could win the game with his defensive recruits. Mac was the idiot that couldn't even score an offensive TD against FSU.
Not one major opening sniffed at Norvell. Even Arkansas which supposedly loved him for years. There IS a reason he is still at Memphis. And what in the hell makes you think he would be an elite recruiter in the SEC? He has ZERO ties to anything SEC
I heard it was a gambling rumor but some people swear the allegations aren't true. I know I would rather have him here then Mullen however.
If you are a natural recruiter you will be able to easily get top 10 classes at UF. Mullen shows he Is a crappy recruiter and doesn't have the staff to make up for his shortcomings there with what he is doing right now.
Well Memphis is currently 8th in recruiting in the powerhouse AAC. That screams ‘natural recruiter’
Admit it, you are an asshat looking for any reason to dig at Mullen. And this statement proves exactly that
I have to laugh. The three guys he wanted were Norvelli, Frost and Kelly. You've already dissected Norvelli, there's a reason why he is still at Memphis.
As for Frost.....yes let's hire an up n comer coach who was a hotshot OC at a major Power 5 conference, who had brief success at a non-Power 5 conference. That's the same thing Florida did when they hired McElwain, and Fever wanted to turn around and do it again with Frost.
Or finally, let's hire Chip Kelly. Who everyone knew was going to leave Florida for the first West Coast job (college or pro) that offered.
Florida bypassed all those potential trainwrecks and took the one guy who has coached and won at Florida, and who has a decade of experience in the SEC, and who took the worst program in the conference to #1 in the nation.
Yeah....clearly a disastrous hire LOL
How did his past classes rank there in that conference? - I haven't looked at it.
Edit: His 2nd class was 3rd in that conference.
You are the idiot if you don't see this recruiting by Mullen is pathetic right now but maybe 7th in the SEC will be acceptable to some. Its a joke UF isn't in the top 4 in the SEC.
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I look at it this way, there's probably only about 20 or so regular offseason posters on this board, and at least half of them are Noles, Dawgs, etc... With UF currently ranked about 30 in recruiting, you would expect to see that causing some angst on the message board of a major program like UF (top 10 program I'm sure by almost all of our reckoning). But there's just not enough posters for there to be the kind of neurotic handwringing too early in the recruiting cycle that you would expect. So Fever fills that role. Yes, he posts about it too much, but normally you would expect at least 3-5 regulars to be bitching about recruiting, and he produces about that much content, so it all works out. His posts have probably provoked three times the recruiting talk that we would have on here otherwise.
Yep It probably gets to me too much but their is a lot of angst about it out there on the Gator forums and I am actually shocked sites like 247 etc. are allowing as much complaining about it as they are without censoring some people.
No one said we are in a great place right now for this class. However, Norvell has done NOTHING to lead one to believe he is good at recruiting. However, you tried to imply that he was a ‘natural recruiter’ but no numbers anywhere suggest as much.
The other problem is you want to judge Mullen as a recruiter on only current ‘19 class ranking. You refuse to acknowledge that he had an extrodinary transition class. He has landed an elite QB in three straight classes within 6 months of taking the job, he is off to a great start for 2020 and if Diabate committs on Friday this IS one of the elite LB classes in the entire nation. You are using ONE measure, and thats downright stupid
It would take a bad recruiter like Mac or Mullen to get a class like Mullen is getting now at UF. Compare Norvell's 3 classes in that conference to the 3 years before he arrived and its a bigger conference now with more teams.
Let me know when Mullen has us 10th or better in Rivals blue chippers and is even within 4 state of FL blue chippers behind FSU and Miami.
What the fevered moe-ron refuses to acknowledge or address is this:
Bringing his 2018 actual class of 18 up to 25 total:
With 2 five stars, 17 four stars, and 5 three stars.
Plus an under-rated P-WO 2 star
Or the fact that neither ESD, nor NSD for the 2019 class has occurred yet...
Bringing his 2018 actual class of 18 up to 25 total:
With 2 five stars, 17 four stars, and 5 three stars.
Plus an under-rated P-WO 2 star
Or the fact that neither ESD, nor NSD for the 2019 class has occurred yet...
It’s kind of ironic that you include 3 “stars” after posting the stats....Here are your relevant facts:
5 stars - 2, 4 stars - 15
5 stars - 1, 4 stars - 12
5 stars - 0, 4 stars - 6
If Mullen is such a ‘bad’ recruiter, how did he put together an A+ transition class in just weeks at a school that won 4 games? How in 6 months on the job did he land the QB of his chooaing in the ‘18, ‘19 AND ‘20 class (a position we haven’t recruited well in a decade) ? How is it we are about to land one of, if not, the best LB class in the nation?
I like Jalon Jones a lot so I give him props for that. As far as having a good 1st transition class I am almost wondering if there isn't something to that its better the less time he has just like with how his first 3 classes went at MSU. If I remember right weren't the majority of his blue chippers signed in the early period when he had only a couple of weeks to do that.
Fever defines village idiot, sitting up on his wall, and starring into the sun...
2018 Class Late Additions: (not included in recruit class rankings)
DE/DT Adam Shuler II 6-4 270 rsJr ****- Longwood, FL (WVa Grad-xfer)
WVa - 24 Gms - 67 Tkls, 9 TFL, 4 Sacks, 1 FR
WR Van Jefferson 6-2 195 rsJr **** - EE Fr All SEC (Ms xfer)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
~ 8-13-18 Also cleared to play in 2018 by SEC
TE/DE Lucas Krull 6-7 255 rsSo **** - Shawnee, Kan - JuCo xfer
2 year Juco Grad that still has 3 years of eligibility to play.
WR Trevon Grimes 6-4 202 So ***** - EE (tOSU xfer, now 6-5 217)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
#1 LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 *****- A Rubio 5 Star - P-WO
ILB Umstead Sanders 6-2 240 Jr *** - Juco xfer - P-WO
Ath/WR Jaylin Jackson 5-8 171 ** (30-5 as a starting QB-dt, CB, KR)
Offers: UK, ColoSt, AF, Army, GaSt, but chose P-WO at UF instead.
(he caught a TD in the Sunday night scrimmage)
Bringing his 2018 actual class of 18 up to 25 total:
With 2 five stars, 17 four stars, and 5 three stars.
Plus an under-rated P-WO 2 star.
So Fever will just absolutely refuse to accept the facts about Norvell?
Very convenient.
His recruiting isn't good in the AAC (but I suspect he'd have the number one class or some nonsense if he were at Florida, and he also suspects that EVERY school that chose not to hire him to a major position did less vetting than he did because he basically doesn't believe the rumors.
And yet there are people that probably think he's some sort of soothsayer.
Very convenient.
His recruiting isn't good in the AAC (but I suspect he'd have the number one class or some nonsense if he were at Florida, and he also suspects that EVERY school that chose not to hire him to a major position did less vetting than he did because he basically doesn't believe the rumors.
And yet there are people that probably think he's some sort of soothsayer.
I like Norvell but how could anybody take him over Mullen. Norvell’s teams don’t typically play very good defense either which isn’t going to work in the SEC. Also I’m not sure how Fever believes Norvell is some great recruiter. What has Norvell done recruiting wise not to mention he has zero SEC experience?
Also Norvell has some baggage and there are HUGE red flags when Arkansas didn’t hire him. That spoke volumes to me.
Also Norvell has some baggage and there are HUGE red flags when Arkansas didn’t hire him. That spoke volumes to me.
Exactly. Norvell may be good at finding a diamond in the rough like AA KR Tony Pollard for example but Norvell has yet to sign a top rated recruit that has shocked people. Even Tommy West signed De'Angelo Williams when conditions were worse at Memphis plus a few others here and there. The exact lines about Norvell can be said about Fuente if anyone wants to tout Fuente over Mullen. I haven't heard of the highly sought after recruit choosing VT to this point.
What gets me is Fever has already written the UF/MSU game off as a loss. Why is that? It cant be coaching because nobody has seen the MSU coach a game. So it must be depth and talent. How did such a roster get talented at State?
Fever defines village idiot, sitting up on his wall, and starring into the sun...
2018 Class Late Additions: (not included in recruit class rankings)
D
So I was right on that class - Thanks Insta...
I think that is likely a loss due to being on the road and that D line of theirs and us likely going in there with Franks in that environment - especially with the ex-coach returning.
So is that DL...and QB holdovers from the Croom era?
Mullen recruited them right
lol, was just going to say that one kinda went right over his head
So is that DL...and QB holdovers from the Croom era?
Mullen recruited them right
What does that have to do with anything? That one first team SEC D lineman returning is that 5 star that beat the girl on the ground in that video and Mullen gave him a one game suspension and said he needed to learn not to behave that way.
So you think its no big deal a player pounded the crap out of a female on the pavement and it was caught on video and he only got suspended for one game? That would have never flew at UF or even most other schools. I guess MSU being under the radar a little allowed them to get away with that.
Not the first time that something has gone right over his head, and straight up his butt...
So I was right on that class - Thanks Insta...
He claimed the 2019 class, that hasn't happened yet, is crap. And he claimed that given time, Dan's recruiting falls off...
Those current verbals won't become facts until the 2019 LOI's arrive.
2019 ESPN - 10 4 stars with 2 3 stars.
Actual facts look like this:
2018 Class Late Additions: (not included in recruit class rankings)
DE/DT Adam Shuler II 6-4 270 rsJr ****- Longwood, FL (WVa Grad-xfer)
WVa - 24 Gms - 67 Tkls, 9 TFL, 4 Sacks, 1 FR
WR Van Jefferson 6-2 195 rsJr **** - EE Fr All SEC (Ms xfer)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
~ 8-13-18 Also cleared to play in 2018 by SEC
TE/DE Lucas Krull 6-7 255 rsSo **** - Shawnee, Kan - JuCo xfer
2 year Juco Grad that still has 3 years of eligibility to play.
WR Trevon Grimes 6-4 202 So ***** - EE (tOSU xfer, now 6-5 217)
~ 8-2-18 Cleared by NCAA to play in 2018
#1 LS Marco Ortiz 6-5 230 *****- A Rubio 5 Star - P-WO
ILB Umstead Sanders 6-2 240 Jr *** - Juco xfer - P-WO
Ath/WR Jaylin Jackson 5-8 171 ** (30-5 as a starting QB-dt, CB, KR)
Offers: UK, ColoSt, AF, Army, GaSt, but chose P-WO at UF instead.
Bringing his 2018 actual class of 18 up to 25 total:
With 2 five stars, 17 four stars, and 5 three stars.
Plus an under-rated P-WO 2 star - Ath - QB-dt, RB, WR, PR, CB.
He's a troll, or a rivals plant to generate responses.
Yeah.
Because he's a student. He's a young man. Coaches are supposed to mentor these kids.
That's generally what happens.
Now you may not like it, but that's part of it.
Pretty sure you wouldn't be all pissy about this if you didn't hate Mullen and his hire so much.
Never need to read his posts, because they are always going to be,,, what they are, and what he will always be. This asswipe stalker arrives to spread his usual crap, and to be the lonely despised drunk loser that he is...
There once was a goater named dunny,
who was always trying to be funny.
But with his head up his butt,
and a load of beer in his gutt,
when it came to the girls he got nunny...
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There once was a goater named dunny,
who was always trying to be funny.
But with his head up his butt,
and a load of beer in his gutt,
when it came to the girls he got nunny...
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
If we land this guy you seriously need to go away for a while because our LB class will be an A++.
Add to it that is a position we have struggled recruiting for a long time so someone deserves some kuddos for it
2019 LB verbals so far: So I can agree on the coming class.
Ath/OLB Diwun Black 6-4 230 - Forest, MS (247-#3 ILB - E-#4 OLB ****)
Offers: UF 100% - Ark, AU, Ms, MsSt, TN - TX, USCw -- Ole Miss Flip
OLB Tyron Hopper 6-2 205 - Roswell, GA (R-#7 OLB ****)
Offers: UF 100% - UA, UK, MsSt, Miss, SCa, TN - GaT, Mia, N.C. USF, WVa.
OLB Jesiah Pierre 6-2 207 - Mount Dora, FL (R-28 OLB ****)
Offers: UF-UGA-UK---Mia-Neb-NC -- scUM Flip
And I agree that Mohamoud would be a nice cherry on top.
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2018 Roster (Several of these look to me like they'll get drafted)
28. ILB/OLB Kylan Johnson 6-2 232 rsJr (QB/SS)
44. ILB/OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 236 rsJr
33. ILB David Reese 6-1 248 Jr (Butkus, Bednarik & Nagurski W-List)
42. ILB Umstead Sanders 6-1 236 Jr - JuCo - P-WO
90. ILB/DEws Andrew Chatfield Jr 6-0 245 Fr
11. OLB-ILB Vosean Joseph 6-1 226 Jr
40. OLB Nick Smith 6-2 227 rsFr (rehab injury)
34. OLB Lacedrick Brunson 6-1 234 rsFr
51. OLB-ILB Ventrell Miller 6-0 229 rsFr
41. OLB James Houston IV 6-1 233 rsFr
30. OLB/SS Amari Burney 6-1 222 Fr - EE (best FNG)
Walkons:
58. OLB Jahim Lawrence 6-0 220 rsJr - Try him at FB
59. Ath/LB Danny Weldon 6-0 233 rsJr
46. Ath/LB Will Thomas 5-10 233 rsSo - Try him at FB
52. Ath/LB Quaylin Crum 5-9 220 rsFr
53. Ath/LB Brendan Ackerman 5-9 224 rsFr
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96. DE/OLB CeCe Jefferson 6-1 252 Sr - Hendricks & Nagurski W-List
92. DE/OLB Jabari Zuniga 6-4 257 rsJr - Hendricks W-List
Sorry, but that doesn't look like a lack of quality or depth to me.
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NFL 8 Drafted at LB: Last 5 Years.
2017 Jarrad Davis - Lions
2017 Alex Anzalone - Saints
2016 Antonio Morrison - Colts
2015 Dante Fowler - Jags
2015 Neiron Ball - Raiders
2014 Ronald Powell - Saints
2013 Jon Bostic - Bears
2013 Jelani Jenkins - Dolphins
WTF???
Ath/OLB Diwun Black 6-4 230 - Forest, MS (247-#3 ILB - E-#4 OLB ****)
Offers: UF 100% - Ark, AU, Ms, MsSt, TN - TX, USCw -- Ole Miss Flip
OLB Tyron Hopper 6-2 205 - Roswell, GA (R-#7 OLB ****)
Offers: UF 100% - UA, UK, MsSt, Miss, SCa, TN - GaT, Mia, N.C. USF, WVa.
OLB Jesiah Pierre 6-2 207 - Mount Dora, FL (R-28 OLB ****)
Offers: UF-UGA-UK---Mia-Neb-NC -- scUM Flip
And I agree that Mohamoud would be a nice cherry on top.
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2018 Roster (Several of these look to me like they'll get drafted)
28. ILB/OLB Kylan Johnson 6-2 232 rsJr (QB/SS)
44. ILB/OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 236 rsJr
33. ILB David Reese 6-1 248 Jr (Butkus, Bednarik & Nagurski W-List)
42. ILB Umstead Sanders 6-1 236 Jr - JuCo - P-WO
90. ILB/DEws Andrew Chatfield Jr 6-0 245 Fr
11. OLB-ILB Vosean Joseph 6-1 226 Jr
40. OLB Nick Smith 6-2 227 rsFr (rehab injury)
34. OLB Lacedrick Brunson 6-1 234 rsFr
51. OLB-ILB Ventrell Miller 6-0 229 rsFr
41. OLB James Houston IV 6-1 233 rsFr
30. OLB/SS Amari Burney 6-1 222 Fr - EE (best FNG)
Walkons:
58. OLB Jahim Lawrence 6-0 220 rsJr - Try him at FB
59. Ath/LB Danny Weldon 6-0 233 rsJr
46. Ath/LB Will Thomas 5-10 233 rsSo - Try him at FB
52. Ath/LB Quaylin Crum 5-9 220 rsFr
53. Ath/LB Brendan Ackerman 5-9 224 rsFr
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96. DE/OLB CeCe Jefferson 6-1 252 Sr - Hendricks & Nagurski W-List
92. DE/OLB Jabari Zuniga 6-4 257 rsJr - Hendricks W-List
Sorry, but that doesn't look like a lack of quality or depth to me.
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NFL 8 Drafted at LB: Last 5 Years.
2017 Jarrad Davis - Lions
2017 Alex Anzalone - Saints
2016 Antonio Morrison - Colts
2015 Dante Fowler - Jags
2015 Neiron Ball - Raiders
2014 Ronald Powell - Saints
2013 Jon Bostic - Bears
2013 Jelani Jenkins - Dolphins
WTF???
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Yep its part of it I guess - If that video was out there on a rivals coach we would be calling for his head if he only gave a joke one game suspension especially when what happened is right there on the tape and it cant be distorted. UF administration would have probably said the kid needs to find another school in this environment of the past few years if it had happened here due to it being before he officially enrolled if I remember correctly.
Come on man. Yeah, its a shitty situation. But I have never heard anyone, not even a rival, elude to the fact that Mullen is anything but a class act and runs a clean program.
Your hate is blinding you, badly.
Looks like we will be getting a Diabate commitment tonight at 7pm which is good news. The local Alabama posters are convinced he is coming here and that is usually a good indicator and the services are pretty sure he is coming to UF also.
