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Whups...Jan 6th hearings are imploding LOL

No, I think he could beat Biden because Biden's a vegetable and DeSantis acts like an adult.
"Gators would be undefeated if we got to ref our own games" - @GatorTheo

See you can be honest about what happened and what WOULD happen, when Trump isn't the issue. Add Trump to the discussion, and suddenly you lose your mind.

Dems have their refs handling the election game. That's why DeSantis has no chance.

This is why we said we have to ensure election integrity. You said we need to move on from Trump and that DeSantis could beat Hiden where Trump couldn't.

But when it came to the AZ race, you pointed out the obvious....dems don't lose cause they control the refs.

Funny how that works out.
 
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I know you're not going to understand this but, just because one doesn't march to Trump's orders doesn't mean they support democrats.
And I know you aren't going to understand this: Supporting candidates like Carter and Kasich IS supporting the dems.

Saying we need to 'just move on' from election integrity and 'appeal to moderates' IS supporting the dems.

You can't be this dense. There's a reason why the dem posters here Like what you are saying.

You are helping them. Wake up.
 
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"Gators would be undefeated if we got to ref our own games" - @GatorTheo

See you can be honest about what happened and what WOULD happen, when Trump isn't the issue. Add Trump to the discussion, and suddenly you lose your mind.

Dems have their refs handling the election game. That's why DeSantis has no chance.

This is why we said we have to ensure election integrity. You said we need to move on from Trump and that DeSantis could beat Hiden where Trump couldn't.

But when it came to the AZ race, you pointed out the obvious....dems don't lose cause they control the refs.

Funny how that works out.
There are two separate issues. I don't have a problem recognizing that.

1. Our overall election process is a joke. There's seemingly little, if any, control over what the states do. It's ridiculous and obviously needs to be fixed (unless you want to cheat).

2. A growing number of voters whom we NEED to defeat the democrats, are turning away from Trump. I completely understand that. While I love many of his policies, he's a divisive jackass. If he could act like an adult, that would be great but he obviously can't or won't.
 
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And I know you aren't going to understand this: Supporting candidates like Carter and Kasich IS supporting the dems.

Saying we need to 'just move on' from election integrity and 'appeal to moderates' IS supporting the dems.

You can't be this dense. There's a reason why the dem posters here Like what you are saying.

You are helping them. Wake up.

THIS is why republicans will continue to lose elections...
Because the MAGA base believes this nonsense

Does anyone in the republican party who isn't a MAGA believer ever ask them what MAGA wave has ever occurred?

The voting record on NO COMPROMISE extremism hasn't won squat
 
I'm sure their support dept is getting hammered with complaints.
Looks like he's playing a game.

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But Trump's not guiding you, right? You are straight thinking for yourself.

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Yep. The guy that all the media and both parties fear the most is EXACTLY the guy I want guiding and influencing myself and this nation.

I mean, here I am trying to get into a logical conversation with someone who believes dems will cheat to win against Trump, but not Desantis.

Things we know. The Media is in bed with both parties. Both parties are corrupt to their core with politicians that were once middle class and are now rich because of their corruption. These folks don’t have the best interest of Americans.

Here is also what we know. Trump is a businessman not a politician. First Potus in my life to not take a salary, to speak his mind and not blow political smoke up peoples asses, and to attempt to do everything he said he was going to do and not apologize for it.

So yes, I am proud to be Ultra MAGA, and stand by the guy who didn’t quit on me. My ownership of this comes through prayer and guidance, and I don’t shy away from it. Ever.


I own it. Do you own who guides you?
 
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2. A growing number of voters whom we NEED to defeat the democrats, are turning away from Trump. I completely understand that.
But what you don't understand is that until we stop the dems from cheating, who we elect and their behavior is totally irrelevant.

You just want to feel better about the guy that loses, I guess. I want legal elections.

Up till 2020, I assumed we all did. But that was back when I was young and naive and assumed most people loved America more than they hated Trump.
 
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But what you don't understand is that until we stop the dems from cheating, who we elect and their behavior is totally irrelevant.

You just want to feel better about the guy that loses, I guess. I want legal elections.

Up till 2020, I assumed we all did. But that was back when I was young and naive and assumed most people loved America more than they hated Trump.
Just to add. Re: this is about Trump. Yes it is, but…………

Now that Dems have learned they can cheat and no one will do anything about it. Just label them whacko election deniers….the madness will continue regardless of candidates. As you already stated.
 
People that don't understand Trump ALWAYS fixate on his behavior. What drew me to Trump early on wasn't what he was saying, it was HOW OTHERS REACTED to what he was saying.

The behavior of the people he goes after is what you should be focused on. Not Trump.

Early on he started accusing dems of being corrupt. I loved it, hey finally we elected a President that sounds like a REAL GUY!

But then I saw how the dems REACTED to what he said......like they were guilty.

That got my attention.

Then he turned to the Republicans and challenged them to get to work on the campaign promises he made, that were completely consistent with the party platform. It was the laundry list of items that ALL republicans had campaigned on.

Trump said let's get to work. Remember how the republicans reacted?

They shit themselves. Said Trump was a meanie, how dare he!

They attacked their own party's President simply because he demanded that they get to work fulfilling the promises THEY MADE to voters when they campaigned for office.

THAT was my 'Oh shit' moment. That was when I began to realize what was really happening in this country.

Some of you never got to that point, because Trump called Adam Schiff 'Adam Schitt' 4-5 years ago and you haven't heard anything since.
 
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Just to add. Re: this is about Trump. Yes it is, but…………

Now that Dems have learned they can cheat and no one will do anything about it. Just label them whacko election deniers….the madness will continue regardless of candidates. As you already stated.
And I refuse to believe that @GatorTheo is so dense he can't see that.
 
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There are two separate issues. I don't have a problem recognizing that.

1. Our overall election process is a joke. There's seemingly little, if any, control over what the states do. It's ridiculous and obviously needs to be fixed (unless you want to cheat).

2. A growing number of voters whom we NEED to defeat the democrats, are turning away from Trump. I completely understand that. While I love many of his policies, he's a divisive jackass. If he could act like an adult, that would be great but he obviously can't or won't.
Let me have a question or two for you.
1. Does THIS bother you more than the way we left Afghanistan?
2. Does this bother you more than the war on our energy segment?
3. Does this worry you more than 8% inflation?
4. Does this bother you more than open borders?
5. Does this bother you more than the green new deal?




Now answer all of these if you will, then I have ONE more question....
Add all of these together...does his mean tweets bother you more than all of this, plus MANY things he has screwed up in addition to these? Thank you for your response!
 
Let me have a question or two for you.
1. Does THIS bother you more than the way we left Afghanistan?
2. Does this bother you more than the war on our energy segment?
3. Does this worry you more than 8% inflation?
4. Does this bother you more than open borders?
5. Does this bother you more than the green new deal?




Now answer all of these if you will, then I have ONE more question....
Add all of these together...does his mean tweets bother you more than all of this, plus MANY things he has screwed up in addition to these? Thank you for your response!
I've said many times that I've supported much of the Trump agenda. I've voted for him twice. If he's the nominee again, I will vote for him again.

Did you read what I said above in bold?

All that makes no difference if he can't win....and that's what I believe. He can't win.

People understandably don't like him and, in many cases, that WILL override the fact that they may actually agree with many of his policies.

I do not want democrats in office. And yes, I would take Romney or whatever 'rino' you would suggest over a democrat.


His 'mean tweets' only bother me because they drive away voters. As he found out in 2020, that's stupid strategy.
 
I've said many times that I've supported much of the Trump agenda. I've voted for him twice. If he's the nominee again, I will vote for him again.

Did you read what I said above in bold?

All that makes no difference if he can't win....and that's what I believe. He can't win.

People understandably don't like him and, in many cases, that WILL override the fact that they may actually agree with many of his policies.

I do not want democrats in office. And yes, I would take Romney or whatever 'rino' you would suggest over a democrat.


His 'mean tweets' only bother me because they drive away voters. As he found out in 2020, that's stupid strategy.
Romney means I don’t vote, again. Same for many others. Point being, we have confirmed that moderates are not electable.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-costner-politics-183305377.html
Kevin Costner says it's 'OK' if people don't like him for his politics
Mon, November 14, 2022 at 1:33 PM·5 min read




Costner told the Daily Beast in 2020, "I'm an Independent. I vote for who I think has the best interests of the country and how we sit in the world." He went on to say that when he was identified as a Republican actor in the 1980s and early '90s, he didn't bother to clarify his stance. "I just didn't even answer back," he said. "I think it was because of the movies I was doing," including Dances With Wolves, "but I never said one thing or another. I really go back and forth on my votes. The Democratic Party doesn't represent everything that I think, and neither does the Republican Party right now — at all. So, I find it too limiting."

The same year, he told Variety, he was voting Biden, after Buttigieg dropped out, because he was most hopeful he could be "a president for both sides." While he didn't name Trump outright, he said, "The idea of racism and of violence… we all have to be able to look at that go, 'Enough. That's enough.'" He added, "It's pretty clear every four years we get a chance to kind of look at where we are as a country and decide if we’re going the right way and if we’re not, we have that opportunity to make a shift."

When Trump was running against Hillary Clinton in 2016, Costner said he didn't find the presidential election as "entertaining" as others did. “I find it embarrassing. I find it highly immature. I think America is really teetering at a low point with the way we talk to each other… Where are our big ideas? There's dialogue right now that's shameful."

However, he's never hidden from his conservative roots. In an interview with Huffington Post in 2008, he was asked about being a registered Republican until the 1996 election, which is when he changed hi registration to Independent and mostly voted Democrat after that.

"I'm not a Republican," he said. "I basically was raised in a house that was a Republican house. My politics came out my kitchen table, listening to my parents. I thought the people that protested against the Vietnam war were unpatriotic because my brother was fighting over in Vietnam. I was only 14 years old. As I got time and distance I realized it was just a difference of opinion and their opinion wasn't necessarily wrong. As a person evolves they begin to have their own voice and their own way of thinking. I wasn'y ahead of my time."
 
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-costner-politics-183305377.html
Kevin Costner says it's 'OK' if people don't like him for his politics
Mon, November 14, 2022 at 1:33 PM·5 min read




Costner told the Daily Beast in 2020, "I'm an Independent. I vote for who I think has the best interests of the country and how we sit in the world." He went on to say that when he was identified as a Republican actor in the 1980s and early '90s, he didn't bother to clarify his stance. "I just didn't even answer back," he said. "I think it was because of the movies I was doing," including Dances With Wolves, "but I never said one thing or another. I really go back and forth on my votes. The Democratic Party doesn't represent everything that I think, and neither does the Republican Party right now — at all. So, I find it too limiting."

The same year, he told Variety, he was voting Biden, after Buttigieg dropped out, because he was most hopeful he could be "a president for both sides." While he didn't name Trump outright, he said, "The idea of racism and of violence… we all have to be able to look at that go, 'Enough. That's enough.'" He added, "It's pretty clear every four years we get a chance to kind of look at where we are as a country and decide if we’re going the right way and if we’re not, we have that opportunity to make a shift."

When Trump was running against Hillary Clinton in 2016, Costner said he didn't find the presidential election as "entertaining" as others did. “I find it embarrassing. I find it highly immature. I think America is really teetering at a low point with the way we talk to each other… Where are our big ideas? There's dialogue right now that's shameful."

However, he's never hidden from his conservative roots. In an interview with Huffington Post in 2008, he was asked about being a registered Republican until the 1996 election, which is when he changed hi registration to Independent and mostly voted Democrat after that.

"I'm not a Republican," he said. "I basically was raised in a house that was a Republican house. My politics came out my kitchen table, listening to my parents. I thought the people that protested against the Vietnam war were unpatriotic because my brother was fighting over in Vietnam. I was only 14 years old. As I got time and distance I realized it was just a difference of opinion and their opinion wasn't necessarily wrong. As a person evolves they begin to have their own voice and their own way of thinking. I wasn'y ahead of my time."
So what has the fat Cheney sister accomplished lately?
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kevin-costner-politics-183305377.html
Kevin Costner says it's 'OK' if people don't like him for his politics
Mon, November 14, 2022 at 1:33 PM·5 min read




Costner told the Daily Beast in 2020, "I'm an Independent. I vote for who I think has the best interests of the country and how we sit in the world." He went on to say that when he was identified as a Republican actor in the 1980s and early '90s, he didn't bother to clarify his stance. "I just didn't even answer back," he said. "I think it was because of the movies I was doing," including Dances With Wolves, "but I never said one thing or another. I really go back and forth on my votes. The Democratic Party doesn't represent everything that I think, and neither does the Republican Party right now — at all. So, I find it too limiting."

The same year, he told Variety, he was voting Biden, after Buttigieg dropped out, because he was most hopeful he could be "a president for both sides." While he didn't name Trump outright, he said, "The idea of racism and of violence… we all have to be able to look at that go, 'Enough. That's enough.'" He added, "It's pretty clear every four years we get a chance to kind of look at where we are as a country and decide if we’re going the right way and if we’re not, we have that opportunity to make a shift."

When Trump was running against Hillary Clinton in 2016, Costner said he didn't find the presidential election as "entertaining" as others did. “I find it embarrassing. I find it highly immature. I think America is really teetering at a low point with the way we talk to each other… Where are our big ideas? There's dialogue right now that's shameful."

However, he's never hidden from his conservative roots. In an interview with Huffington Post in 2008, he was asked about being a registered Republican until the 1996 election, which is when he changed hi registration to Independent and mostly voted Democrat after that.

"I'm not a Republican," he said. "I basically was raised in a house that was a Republican house. My politics came out my kitchen table, listening to my parents. I thought the people that protested against the Vietnam war were unpatriotic because my brother was fighting over in Vietnam. I was only 14 years old. As I got time and distance I realized it was just a difference of opinion and their opinion wasn't necessarily wrong. As a person evolves they begin to have their own voice and their own way of thinking. I wasn'y ahead of my time."

I have known Costner to be nothing else but a lefty but of course we know a lot of lefties like to call themselves independents and even "conservatives" when posting on social media how the Republicans need to be stopped.
 
I have known Costner to be nothing else but a lefty but of course we know a lot of lefties like to call themselves independents and even "conservatives" when posting on social media how the Republicans need to be stopped.
No clue what ignored member said but, there are a Couple of those on here as well. It always reveals itself pretty quickly.
 
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His influence will wane because foxnews and the rest of the media will guide folks where they want them. And “they” want folks as far away as possible from someone that interrupts politicians getting rich.

This isn’t difficult

So now ALL media HATES trump... :rolleyes:

Do trump supporters ever stop blaming others for their losses and admit its their leader, their policies, and their deplorable behavior?
 
All that makes no difference if he can't win....and that's what I believe. He can't win.
So what you are saying, whether you realize it or not, is that yes the dems are cheating, but it's not enough to change any outcomes.
Thats why you think DeSantis can win, cause you think he can overcome the cheating.

He cannot. No one can. And even if he could, not dealing with the cheating is insanity.

If we know and accept that they are cheating (and you do), then by not dealing with the cheating, you are simply telling them to get better at cheating, and they can keep stealing elections.

That path is madness. We must eliminate the cheating, and secure that there can be no further cheating.

But the idea that we deal with cheating by getting 'better candidates' is insane to me.

If FSU was paying off refs and the NCAA to cheat, would you say Florida needs to sign more 5-stars? Or would you say we need to stop FSU from cheating?

We know what you would say. YOU know what you would say. But add Trump to the equation, and you move the goalposts.
 
People that don't understand Trump ALWAYS fixate on his behavior. What drew me to Trump early on wasn't what he was saying, it was HOW OTHERS REACTED to what he was saying.

The behavior of the people he goes after is what you should be focused on. Not Trump.

Early on he started accusing dems of being corrupt. I loved it, hey finally we elected a President that sounds like a REAL GUY!

But then I saw how the dems REACTED to what he said......like they were guilty.

That got my attention.

Then he turned to the Republicans and challenged them to get to work on the campaign promises he made, that were completely consistent with the party platform. It was the laundry list of items that ALL republicans had campaigned on.

Trump said let's get to work. Remember how the republicans reacted?

They shit themselves. Said Trump was a meanie, how dare he!

They attacked their own party's President simply because he demanded that they get to work fulfilling the promises THEY MADE to voters when they campaigned for office.

THAT was my 'Oh shit' moment. That was when I began to realize what was really happening in this country.

Some of you never got to that point, because Trump called Adam Schiff 'Adam Schitt' 4-5 years ago and you haven't heard anything since.
I agree. Pay attention to what he does and his policies, NOT what he says/tweets.
 
mccain and romney were moderates. obama was a radical democrat who made no apologies about that.

That's why the moderate candidates lost.
Again. When are pubs going to stop falling for lucy and her football? Good lawd. I thought this was settled by the ass whippings of the past.

The liberal media is the one telling you that you need a moderate. FFS folks.

Why do you think a bunch of liberals are telling you this?
 
Again. When are pubs going to stop falling for lucy and her football? Good lawd. I thought this was settled by the ass whippings of the past.

The liberal media is the one telling you that you need a moderate. FFS folks.

Why do you think a bunch of liberals are telling you this?
Maybe I'm just smarter than certain posters here who claim to be Trump voting republicans.....but when I leave a post and look down and @RayGravesGhost and @kalimgoodman Like it, that gives me pause.
 
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There are two separate issues. I don't have a problem recognizing that.

1. Our overall election process is a joke. There's seemingly little, if any, control over what the states do. It's ridiculous and obviously needs to be fixed (unless you want to cheat).

2. A growing number of voters whom we NEED to defeat the democrats, are turning away from Trump. I completely understand that. While I love many of his policies, he's a divisive jackass. If he could act like an adult, that would be great but he obviously can't or won't.
1. Time and time again, the federal government takes control of something and like clockwork, they mess it up. Why do you think this would be any different? Why do you have so much faith in elected officials who constantly let you down?

2. You truly need to get out of your feelings and start using critical thinking skills. If you don’t like how Brandon is doing things now and your alternative is Trump, are you really going to side with your feelings over logic? Will you be able to look yourself in the mirror and be just fine with voting for Brandon over Trump (assuming he wins the rep nomination)?
 
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1. Time and time again, the federal government takes control of something and like clockwork, they mess it up. Why do you think this would be any different? Why do you have so much faith in elected officials who constantly let you down?

2. You truly need to get out of your feelings and start using critical thinking skills. If you don’t like how Brandon is doing things now and your alternative is Trump, are you really going to side with your feelings over logic? Will you be able to look yourself in the mirror and be just fine with voting for Brandon over Trump (assuming he wins the rep nomination)?
1. Well we certainly wouldn't want to mess up our election process, would we?

2. Yes, that's it. I'm going to vote for Brandon. Your critical thinking skills are something to behold.
 
1. Well we certainly wouldn't want to mess up our election process, would we?

2. Yes, that's it. I'm going to vote for Brandon. Your critical thinking skills are something to behold.
I'm not sure if you are being purposely obtuse on this issue or what, but deep red states never have this issue with counting votes and dumps that never reflect reality, machines that count votes for the wrong candidate, etc

So logically, that proves that more federal oversight of the issue is pointless: This is an issue that the states CAN adequately address.

The purple and blue states simply don't want to. For obvious reasons.

In every instance of blue and purple states that are engaging in questionable tactics around elections, you can find a dem Secretary of State because the SoS is in charge of elections.

This isn't that hard.
 
I'm not sure if you are being purposely obtuse on this issue or what, but deep red states never have this issue with counting votes and dumps that never reflect reality, machines that count votes for the wrong candidate, etc

So logically, that proves that more federal oversight of the issue is pointless: This is an issue that the states CAN adequately address.

The purple and blue states simply don't want to. For obvious reasons.

In every instance of blue and purple states that are engaging in questionable tactics around elections, you can find a dem Secretary of State because the SoS is in charge of elections.

This isn't that hard.
I'm not sure where you're getting so confused.

You're obviously OK with the current situation. That's fine.

I'm not. I'd like it fixed. If the states won't do it, I'd like to force them to do it.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting so confused.
I'm getting confused because you know what the problem is, dems control the Secretary of State offices in blue/purple states. This has been carefully explained to you, and for whatever reason you act like you don't hear that and want to bring the government in to run the elections.
You're obviously OK with the current situation. That's fine.

I'm not. I'd like it fixed. If the states won't do it, I'd like to force them to do it.
I'm the only one of us that understands what the current situation is.

Your solution is to take elections out of the hands of the states, and give control of it to the Hiden administration.

So you want to take the elections out of the hands of the red states that are actually ensuring election integrity, and give that control to Hiden. So you dont like that DeSantis beat Crist convincingly last week, and want to see Hiden help Crist win instead?

Obviously, you just like the idea of the government taking over here. Because that's always been proven to work so well.

The issue is at the state level. The Secretary of State for each state controls the elections. The dems run the SoS office for all the states that are consistently an issue in the elections.

Again, how is this confusing you? Put aside your lust for more big government and look at this logically, please.
 
I'm getting confused because you know what the problem is, dems control the Secretary of State offices in blue/purple states. This has been carefully explained to you, and for whatever reason you act like you don't hear that and want to bring the government in to run the elections.

I'm the only one of us that understands what the current situation is.

Your solution is to take elections out of the hands of the states, and give control of it to the Hiden administration.

So you want to take the elections out of the hands of the red states that are actually ensuring election integrity, and give that control to Hiden. So you dont like that DeSantis beat Crist convincingly last week, and want to see Hiden help Crist win instead?

Obviously, you just like the idea of the government taking over here. Because that's always been proven to work so well.

The issue is at the state level. The Secretary of State for each state controls the elections. The dems run the SoS office for all the states that are consistently an issue in the elections.

Again, how is this confusing you? Put aside your lust for more big government and look at this logically, please.
I see where you're coming from.

You're OK with the current situation because you fear the Biden administration would make it worse.

Kinda like having leaky pipes but not calling the plumber because you're afraid he'll make it worse.
 
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I see where you're coming from.

You're OK with the current situation because you fear the Biden administration would make it worse.

Kinda like having leaky pipes but not calling the plumber because you're afraid he'll make it worse.
I mean yeah, why not let a criminal pedophile into your home, alone with your children. Sounds fantastic. Great analogy.

Which pipes is the Plumber…,,errr pedophile going to fix?

Serious question. Would you leave Joe alone with your kids? No? Then he isn’t to be left in charge of voting.
 
I mean yeah, why not let a criminal pedophile into your home, alone with your children. Sounds fantastic. Great analogy.

Which pipes is the Plumber…,,errr pedophile going to fix?

Serious question. Would you leave Joe alone with your kids? No? Then he isn’t to be left in charge of voting.
You guys do realize that Biden isn't the forever president, right?

We change presidents every 4, or at least 8, years.

Of course, if we continue to allow half the nation to dilly dally with the count, who knows.
 
I see where you're coming from.

You're OK with the current situation because you fear the Biden administration would make it worse.

Kinda like having leaky pipes but not calling the plumber because you're afraid he'll make it worse.
Actually it would be like one house having leaky pipes so your solution is to force a plumber with a D- rating from the BBB to come in and change ALL the pipes in ALL houses.

So now every house in the neighborhood has leaky pipes.

If 5 states out of 50 have an issue, why would you want to force changes onto 45 of the states that don't need it?

The issue is corrupt dems control the S0S offices in the 5 or so states that are stealing elections.
 
Actually it would be like one house having leaky pipes so your solution is to force a plumber with a D- rating from the BBB to come in and change ALL the pipes in ALL houses.

So now every house in the neighborhood has leaky pipes.

If 5 states out of 50 have an issue, why would you want to force changes onto 45 of the states that don't need it?

The issue is corrupt dems control the S0S offices in the 5 or so states that are stealing elections.
If you think they are stealing elections, don't you think something should be done? Are the states in question ever going to do it on their own?
 
You guys do realize that Biden isn't the forever president, right?

We change presidents every 4, or at least 8, years.

Of course, if we continue to allow half the nation to dilly dally with the count, who knows.
I just asked a simple question. Would you leave Biden alone with your kids?


Then we can go from there
 
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