We got another commitment today

[Michi-Gator]

So, Mc-Staff can't recruit well enough to get 100% approval from the doom & gloomers, or from the criminole type rivals. (jus-damn)

Now, I wonder what THEIR suggestions are, for a SOLUTION to the problems, that they perceive that our new coaching staff is supposedly having? (this should be good, or at least insightful of the haters true positions)

Go to TOS. Sort the Florida kids. Look at the top 30, we are absent while the likes of Bama, FSU, tOSU and others make a haul. We are the favorite for very few of the uncommitted. They have UF offers. Wether you love Mac, hate him or are indifferent, it is a problem.

Dodge as you see fit Insta. But they all have offers

 

[Panhandle Slim1]

Go to TOS. Sort the Florida kids. Look at the top 30, we are absent while the likes of Bama, FSU, tOSU and others make a haul. We are the favorite for very few of the uncommitted. They have UF offers. Wether you love Mac, hate him or are indifferent, it is a problem.

Dodge as you see fit Insta. But they all have offers

2 of tosu guys are not from Florida. They just attend IMG
Of the guys from Florida that are 4 star or better. Fsu has 5 Miami 4 and UF 3. Alabama has 2. We need to do better I agree. But it's not as bad as you make it sound.

 

[Michi-Gator]

2 of tosu guys are not from Florida. They just attend IMG
Of the guys from Florida that are 4 star or better. Fsu has 5 Miami 4 and UF 3. Alabama has 2. We need to do better I agree. But it's not as bad as you make it sound.

But see you twisted that to fit your argument. Bama's recruits are #4 and #17. tOSU is likely to walk away with two of the top five players in the state (neither) IMG kids. Our highest rated is #29. And according to TOS we have two 4* not 3. We have two ELITE OT in state, Bama and Barn. We are struggling mightely in state. There just is no way to twist it

 

[Panhandle Slim1]

But see you twisted that to fit your argument. Bama's recruits are #4 and #17. tOSU is likely to walk away with two of the top five players in the state (neither) IMG kids. Our highest rated is #29. And according to TOS we have two 4* not 3. We have two ELITE OT in state, Bama and Barn. We are struggling mightely in state. There just is no way to twist it

Didn't know we were talking about guys tosu was likely to get. They have 1 commitment from a Florida kid. And TOS I looked at has Green Gamble and Allen as 4*. We are not struggling mightily or "mightely" in state.

 

[miksta]

Didn't know we were talking about guys tosu was likely to get. They have 1 commitment from a Florida kid. And TOS I looked at has Green Gamble and Allen as 4*. We are not struggling mightily or "mightely" in state.

With Rivals' updated rankings, we're now 6th in average star rating. People need to chill the F out.

 

[instaGATOR]

Go to TOS. Sort the Florida kids. Look at the top 30, we are absent while the likes of Bama, FSU, tOSU and others make a haul. We are the favorite for very few of the uncommitted. They have UF offers. Wether you love Mac, hate him or are indifferent, it is a problem.

Dodge as you see fit Insta. But they all have offers

Speaking of the ole 'Duck-Dodge & Weave' bs, I asked you and your fellow doom & gloom twits for a SOLUTION to what you believe is a MAJOR recruiting problem.
It was not forthcoming, just more whining and sniveling from you.... (typical)

"IF you're not a part of the SOLUTION, then you are a part of the PROBLEM!'
===================

Part II -- Not for the 'short attention span' D&G'ers, or other rival/troll fans.

The Gator's don't have any 2016 offensive play-makers on their wasted, shriveled up 2016 roster.

QB Austin Appleby 6-4 235 Grad-Sr - EE
QB Luke Del Rio 6-1 213 rsSo - 2015 OreSt xfer
QB Felepie' Franks 6-6 212 Fr - EE
Coach Mc on QB transfers: https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-jim-mcelwain-on-transferring-qbs-each-guys-different

QB Kyle Trask 6-4 227 4.6/40 Fr - EE (4.0 Student and an Eagle Scout)
While I'm not all-in on him being a tFr starter, I am all-in on him being given a good shot at it. Why?
His own demonstrated skill at the position, in HS and at UF's Spring Camp, and he comes with what I consider a very big plus:
Earning Eagle Scout is a much bigger thing than the grossly uninformed know about or understand.

Scout Motto: (every scout, but Eagle Scouts are at the very top of the heap)

• Be Prepared in Mind by having disciplined yourself to be obedient to every order, and also by having thought out beforehand any accident or situation that might occur, so that you know the right thing to do at the right moment, and are willing to do it.
• Be Prepared in Body by making yourself strong and active and able to do the right thing at the right moment, and do it.

IF you had ever reviewed the list of past Eagle Scouts, then maybe you'd understand it's likely importance. Many of the U.S. Astronauts are Eagle Scouts for example, and they are just the shinning tip of the much larger E-S iceberg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eagle_Scouts
======
=======

As to the other 2016 Offensive Playmakers:

WR Ahmad Fulwood 6-4 211 Sr
WR Kalif Jackson 6-4 215 rsFr
-------
WR Alvin Bailey 5-11 186 rsJr -- Slot
WR Brandon Powell 5-9 183 Jr -- Slot
WR Dre Massey 5-9 184 4.32/40 Jr - JuCo EE -- Slot
-------
WR/ST Chris Thomopson 6-0 170 4.35/40 Sr
WR/RB Case Harrison 6-0 200 rsJr
WR C.J. Worton 6-0 194 Jr
--------
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 184 Fr - EE
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 180 Fr - EE
WR Rick Wells 6-0 200

WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-2 194 Fr
As to 'what can a tFr WR do' in the SEC?
WR/PR Antonio Callaway - 5-11 195 Soph
He set the UF record for Fr receiving yards with 678 yds.
As a true freshman, he returned 2 punts for TD's (LSU, UA).
He also had 3 games with at least 100 receiving yards (Tn-LSU-UGA).
Sporting News & PFF Fr AA - CBS AA at PR'er - 1st Team All SEC.
~ He's now on 'modified suspension' - He's allowed to attend classes and to use the UF football facilities. He has not yet been completely reinstated to the team. (hopefully soon)
=======

RB/ST Mark Herndon 5-9 203 rsSr
RB Mark Thompson 6-2 242 4.38/40 Jr - #1 JuCo RB - EE
RB Jordan Cronkrite 5-11 204 Soph
RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 213 Soph
RB Lamical Perine 5-11 218 Fr - Ala HS 7A Back of the Year - UA failed to flip him.
=======

TE DeAndre Goolsby 6-4 240 Jr
TE C'yontai Lewis 6-4 230 rsSo
TE Moral Stephens 6-3 247 rsSo
TE Camrin Knight 6-3 237 So
TE/QB Brian Fallace 6-4 210 rsSo - WO - SEC Academic Honor Roll
TE Ryan Ferguson 6-3 219 rsSo - WO - SEC Academic Honor Roll
(with the #2 TE-H ESPN Top 300 on UF's 2017 commit list, a FL HS TE btw)

* And the 2016 OL is a Quantum Leap better than what musclecramp left UF with.
====================

The 5 Star recruits never give Mc-staff any love at all. (some claim)

5 Star WR Trevon Grimes of STA recently announced his Top 6 schools:
tOSU - UF - UA - UGA - Miami - FSU -- 247 says it's likely between 1) tOSU and 2) UF. (I wonder which QB he'd choose to join?)

 

[Michi-Gator]

Speaking of the ole 'Duck-Dodge & Weave' bs, I asked you and your fellow doom & gloom twits for a SOLUTION to what you believe is a MAJOR recruiting problem.
It was not forthcoming, just more whining and sniveling from you.... (typical)

"IF you're not a part of the SOLUTION, then you are a part of the PROBLEM!'
===================

Part II -- Not for the 'short attention span' D&G'ers, or other rival/troll fans.

The Gator's don't have any 2016 offensive play-makers on their wasted, shriveled up 2016 roster.

QB Austin Appleby 6-4 235 Grad-Sr - EE
QB Luke Del Rio 6-1 213 rsSo - 2015 OreSt xfer
QB Felepie' Franks 6-6 212 Fr - EE
Coach Mc on QB transfers: https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-jim-mcelwain-on-transferring-qbs-each-guys-different

QB Kyle Trask 6-4 227 4.6/40 Fr - EE (4.0 Student and an Eagle Scout)
While I'm not all-in on him being a tFr starter, I am all-in on him being given a good shot at it. Why?
His own demonstrated skill at the position, in HS and at UF's Spring Camp, and he comes with what I consider a very big plus:
Earning Eagle Scout is a much bigger thing than the grossly uninformed know about or understand.

Scout Motto: (every scout, but Eagle Scouts are at the very top of the heap)

• Be Prepared in Mind by having disciplined yourself to be obedient to every order, and also by having thought out beforehand any accident or situation that might occur, so that you know the right thing to do at the right moment, and are willing to do it.
• Be Prepared in Body by making yourself strong and active and able to do the right thing at the right moment, and do it.

IF you had ever reviewed the list of past Eagle Scouts, then maybe you'd understand it's likely importance. Many of the U.S. Astronauts are Eagle Scouts for example, and they are just the shinning tip of the much larger E-S iceberg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eagle_Scouts
======
=======

As to the other 2016 Offensive Playmakers:

WR Ahmad Fulwood 6-4 211 Sr
WR Kalif Jackson 6-4 215 rsFr
-------
WR Alvin Bailey 5-11 186 rsJr -- Slot
WR Brandon Powell 5-9 183 Jr -- Slot
WR Dre Massey 5-9 184 4.32/40 Jr - JuCo EE -- Slot
-------
WR/ST Chris Thomopson 6-0 170 4.35/40 Sr
WR/RB Case Harrison 6-0 200 rsJr
WR C.J. Worton 6-0 194 Jr
--------
WR Josh Hammond 6-1 184 Fr - EE
WR Freddie Swain 6-0 180 Fr - EE
WR Rick Wells 6-0 200

WR Tyrie Cleveland 6-2 194 Fr
As to 'what can a tFr WR do' in the SEC?
WR/PR Antonio Callaway - 5-11 195 Soph
He set the UF record for Fr receiving yards with 678 yds.
As a true freshman, he returned 2 punts for TD's (LSU, UA).
He also had 3 games with at least 100 receiving yards (Tn-LSU-UGA).
Sporting News & PFF Fr AA - CBS AA at PR'er - 1st Team All SEC.
~ He's now on 'modified' suspension' - He's allowed to attend classes and to use the UF football facilities. He has not yet been completely reinstated to the team.
=======

RB/ST Mark Herndon 5-9 203 rsSr
RB Mark Thompson 6-2 242 4.38/40 Jr - #1 JuCo RB - EE
RB Jordan Cronkrite 5-11 204 Soph
RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 213 Soph
RB Lamical Perine 5-11 218 Fr - Ala HS 7A Back of the Year
=======

TE DeAndre Goolsby 6-4 240 Jr
TE C'yontai Lewis 6-4 230 rsSo
TE Moral Stephens 6-3 247 rsSo
TE Camrin Knight 6-3 237 So
TE/QB Brian Fallace 6-4 210 rsSo - WO - SEC Academic Honor Roll
TE Ryan Ferguson 6-3 219 rsSo - WO - SEC Academic Honor Roll
(with the #2 TE-H on UF commit list, a FL HS TE btw)

* And the 2016 OL is a Quantum Leap better than what musclecramp left UF with.
====================

The 5 Star recruits never give Mc-staff any love at all. (some claim)
5 Star WR Trevon Grimes of STA announced his Top 6 schools:
tOSU - UF - UA - UGA - Miami - FSU -- 247 says it's likely between 1) tOSU and 2) UF. (I wonder which QB he'd choose to join?)

I believe defense is the topic at hand.

Again, part of the story on Grimes. 247 says 93% tOSU, 7% UF

You want a solution? Tell him to get a staff that can recruit at the level a program like UF should or GTFO. There is your solution

 

[instaGATOR]

I believe defense is the topic at hand.

Again, part of the story on Grimes. 247 says 93% tOSU, 7% UF

You want a solution? Tell him to get a staff that can recruit at the level a program like UF should or GTFO. There is your solution

Maybe that WR doesn't believe that he can compete with Callaway and Cleveland, much less some of those other Gator WR's that are coming in? And Mc already has a 2017 FL HS WR on his Top 300 commit list, in case you didn't notice him:
WR Daquon Green 6-1 186.

Your phootball genius solution is to FIRE THE ENTIRE MC-STAFF.

Just as I expected of you.

How about if we just 'Fire your D&G Azz' off of the Gator board instead?
Now that would be a real solid and constructive improvement imoho...

 

[PacoGator19]

Seems to me the 2017 recruiting class is going just fine. I believe UF is 6th in the country in Aveage star rating. Is that bad?

 

[PacoGator19]

With Rivals' updated rankings, we're now 6th in average star rating. People need to chill the F out.

BINGO. At least somebody is paying attention.

 

[Gator22222]

I believe defense is the topic at hand.

Again, part of the story on Grimes. 247 says 93% tOSU, 7% UF

You want a solution? Tell him to get a staff that can recruit at the level a program like UF should or GTFO. There is your solution

There is a lot of time before Grimes signs with anyone. Anything could happen between now and then. How does someone come up with 7% anyway? Seems oddly specific given that it applies to the whims of a 17 year old kid.

I wouldn't get too excited about what anyone in the 2017 class says in June 2016.

 

[instaGATOR]

Florida has no defense at all since the musclecramp left in 2014.

However, in 2015 UF had the #8 in Total Defense in the Nation with Geoff Collins at DC. Review Collins recent coaching history and that's not a surprise.

McStaff's early 2017 defensive recruits include:

2017 - Class ranking counts (somewhat) in Feb, not now, (see 2015).
DT/NT Jordon Scott 6-1 350 *** - Largo, FL
DT/NT Javier Edwards 6-3 245 *** - Houston, Tx - JuCo EE
~ Very good early moves at the 2017 most needed position, DT.

2016 -- (rivals #14 (25) Class came up 9 spots 23 > 14 in his first full class)
#2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-4 215 ***** - Vienna, Ga - Top 300
#4 FS/CB Chauncey Gardner 5-11 205 **** - Cacoa, FL - Top 300
#29 DE Jordan Smith 6-6 217 **** - Lithonia, Ga - Top 300
#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 **** - Miami, FL (flip from Mia)
#21 S Quincy Lenton 6-0 190 **** - Meridian, MS
#24 OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 210 **** - Hoover, AL (UA failed to flip)
#47 DE Jachai Polite 6-3 248 **** - Daytona Beach, FL
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 239 *** - Farmington, MI (flip from Mich)
#39 S Jeawon Taylor 6-1 195 *** - Montgomery, AL
#81 CB Christopher McWilliams 6-0 161 *** - Miami, FL (offers - UF-Mia-USF-UCF-Neb-UL-NC)
NR CB JC-AA Joseph Putu 6-1 190 - Providence, RI (flip from Ark)
NR CB/RB McArthur Burnett 5-9 172 *** - Pahokee, FL (offers - AU-FSU-Mia-UL-WVa)
#1 K (JC) Eddy Pineiro 6-0 183 *** - N.Miami Beach, FL (flip from UA)

2015 -- When Mc arrived, there were 6 in the class and ranked in the upper 90's. Finished at #23 (21).
#2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 270 ***** - Glen St.Mary, FL (much better than 5 star Cowart imo)
#44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 278 *** - Dade City, FL
#45 DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 240 *** - Marietta, Ga
#58 Ath/CB Chris Williamson 5-11 192 *** - Gainesville, Ga
#62 OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 220 *** - Miami, FL
#138 DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 244 *** - Miami, FL
#148 DE Luke Ancrum 6-5 257 *** - Sebring, FL
NR LB Kylan Johnson 6-1 228 *** - Dallas, TX (SS/QB **) IMOHO, yet another Mc-steal!
=================
* I didn't include the several WO's that have been helpful in building and developing the team.

And we will all finally know who was more correct about the players in 2-3 more years, Mc-staff or the recruit ranking twits and their usual doom & gloom parrots, but not before then.

As for right now, after Mc-staffs first (10-win) season, I'm pretty happy with the job they have done and continue to do. If you're not, then to freakin' bad for you....

 

[Michi-Gator]

Seems to me the 2017 recruiting class is going just fine. I believe UF is 6th in the country in Aveage star rating. Is that bad?

But this is inflated by Jake Allen who may well not touch the field in the next four years. Also the avg start rating is inflated by our low numbers, you knew that, just chose to ignore it.

 

[Michi-Gator]

There is a lot of time before Grimes signs with anyone. Anything could happen between now and then. How does someone come up with 7% anyway? Seems oddly specific given that it applies to the whims of a 17 year old kid.

I wouldn't get too excited about what anyone in the 2017 class says in June 2016.

So again, we are playing, "let's make things up and only choose to believe what fits my stance"

Do you have your own rating system like Insta?

 

[Michi-Gator]

Florida has no defense at all since the musclecramp left in 2014.

However, in 2015 UF had the #8 in Total Defense in the Nation with Geoff Collins at DC. Review Collins recent coaching history and that's not a surprise.

McStaff's early 2017 defensive recruits include:

2017 - Class ranking counts (somewhat) in Feb, not now, (see 2015).
DT/NT Jordon Scott 6-1 350 *** - Largo, FL
DT/NT Javier Edwards 6-3 245 *** - Houston, Tx - JuCo EE
~ Very good early moves at the 2017 most needed position, DT.

2016 -- (rivals #14 (25) Class came up 9 spots 23 > 14 in his first full class)
#2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-4 215 ***** - Vienna, Ga - Top 300
#4 FS/CB Chauncey Gardner 5-11 205 **** - Cacoa, FL - Top 300
#29 DE Jordan Smith 6-6 217 **** - Lithonia, Ga - Top 300
#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 **** - Miami, FL (flip from Mia)
#21 S Quincy Lenton 6-0 190 **** - Meridian, MS
#24 OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 210 **** - Hoover, AL (UA failed to flip)
#47 DE Jachai Polite 6-3 248 **** - Daytona Beach, FL
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 239 *** - Farmington, MI (flip from Mich)
#39 S Jeawon Taylor 6-1 195 *** - Montgomery, AL
#81 CB Christopher McWilliams 6-0 161 *** - Miami, FL (offers - UF-Mia-USF-UCF-Neb-UL-NC)
NR CB JC-AA Joseph Putu 6-1 190 - Providence, RI (flip from Ark)
NR CB/RB McArthur Burnett 5-9 172 *** - Pahokee, FL (offers - AU-FSU-Mia-UL-WVa)
#1 K (JC) Eddy Pineiro 6-0 183 *** - N.Miami Beach, FL (flip from UA)

2015 -- When Mc arrived, there were 6 in the class and ranked in the upper 90's. Finished at #23 (21).
#2 DE/DT CeCe Jefferson 6-1 270 ***** - Glen St.Mary, FL (much better than 5 star Cowart imo)
#44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 278 *** - Dade City, FL
#45 DE/DT Jabari Zuniga 6-3 240 *** - Marietta, Ga
#58 Ath/CB Chris Williamson 5-11 192 *** - Gainesville, Ga
#62 OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 220 *** - Miami, FL
#138 DE Keivonnis Davis 6-4 244 *** - Miami, FL
#148 DE Luke Ancrum 6-5 257 *** - Sebring, FL
NR LB Kylan Johnson 6-1 228 *** - Dallas, TX (SS/QB **) IMOHO, yet another Mc-steal!
=================
* I didn't include the several WO's that have been helpful in building and developing the team.

And we will all finally know who was more correct about the players in 2-3 more years, Mc-staff or the recruit ranking twits and their usual doom & gloom parrots, but not before then.

As for right now, after Mc-staffs first (10-win) season, I'm pretty happy with the job they have done and continue to do. If you're not, then to freakin' bad for you....

FYI- Reese was not a flip from UMich, once Bush, Jr and company were in, Reese saw the writing on the wall.

 

[oozie7]

With Rivals' updated rankings, we're now 6th in average star rating. People need to chill the F out.

This doesn't change much, at least for me. I see Gamble got bumped to a 4-star, but he was always worthy of that bump and it seems it was only a matter of time. Hopefully we keep trending in that direction. I still don't understand this latest pickup, but whatever.

On the 'average' point, numbers always skews the average one way or another, we only have 6 commits while guys at the top have 15, 12, etc. Averages almost always fall the more variables (numbers) enter into the equation. Assuming we're getting some quality (which we are) then our average should be higher with lesser commits.

That said, I feel our quality so far is better this year. I was never a fan of last year's strategy of loading up on 'meh' dudes just to have numbers, especially when you end up trying to push those same guys out later. I'd rather be picky like we seem to be doing this year. Only thing is though a lot of the guys at the top don't seem to be big on us, at least not now. So I'm interested to see how we fill out the class.

 

[instaGATOR]

FYI- Reese was not a flip from UMich, once Bush, Jr and company were in, Reese saw the writing on the wall.

Talk about putting your own idiot spin on something, to suit your own position....

And of course, UF has/had no decent LB's already on the roster, (5 Star MLB Anzalone & 4 Star McMillian),and none were coming in the class 2016 either....

#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 **** - Miami, FL (HS Ht/Wt bio)
#24 OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 210 **** - Hoover, AL (UA failed to flip) (HS Ht/Wt bio)
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 *** - Farmington, MI (flip from Mich)
NR ILB Kylan Johnson 6-1 228 -- SS/QB** (Top 2016 Spring Game LB - another Mc-steal)

#62 OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 220 *** - Miami, FL (2015 class)
2014 All Dade Co and N / S All Star

Actually, he was flipped to UF. But part of it was that Mich doesn't allow EE's, while UF does. That was supposedly a large part of his departure from Mich, but it was still Mc-staff that got him to come to UF instead of to one of his many other offers.
Offers: UF -- Mich, UK, UL, Neb, Pit, TCU, TX, Wis, etc

 

[Michi-Gator]

Talk about putting your own idiot spin on something, to suit your own position....

And of course, UF has/had no decent LB's already on the roster, (5 Star MLB Anzalone & 4 Star McMillian),and none were coming in the class 2016 either....

#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 **** - Miami, FL (HS Ht/Wt bio)
#24 OLB Jeremiah Moon 6-4 210 **** - Hoover, AL (UA failed to flip) (HS Ht/Wt bio)
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 *** - Farmington, MI (flip from Mich)
NR ILB Kylan Johnson 6-1 228 -- SS/QB** (Top 2016 Spring Game LB - another Mc-steal)

#62 OLB Rayshad Jackson 6-0 220 *** - Miami, FL (2015 class)
2014 All Dade Co and N / S All Star

Actually, he was flipped to UF. But part of it was that Mich doesn't allow EE's, while UF does. That was supposedly a large part of his departure from Mich, but it was still Mc-staff that got him to come to UF instead of to one of his many other offers.
Offers: UF -- Mich, UK, UL, Neb, Pit, TCU, TX, Wis, etc

Well here is an article on the EE's UMich doesn't allow. lol. Do you post anything you don't just make up???

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c.../01/04/michigan-football-recruiting/78270060/

Mich pushed the kid out, I know it hurts your pride, but its fact.

 

[instaGATOR]

Mich pushed the kid out, I know it hurts your pride, but its fact. -- Michi-twit

Surprise - Surprise - Surprise....

"I would like to thank the University of Michigan for the opportunity extended to me to become a Wolverine," Reese wrote on Twitter Wednesday night. "After careful consideration and soul searching with my family, I have decided to decommit in order to pursue my chance for early enrollment." David Reese

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sp...david-reese-decommits-from-michigan/77083070/

So, did Mich just single him out after his verbal commit and deny him (lie to him) the chance for EE? If so, then maybe I just read the intent wrong... (but you're FoS yet again anyway)

 

[Michi-Gator]

This doesn't change much, at least for me. I see Gamble got bumped to a 4-star, but he was always worthy of that bump and it seems it was only a matter of time. Hopefully we keep trending in that direction. I still don't understand this latest pickup, but whatever.

On the 'average' point, numbers always skews the average one way or another, we only have 6 commits while guys at the top have 15, 12, etc. Averages almost always fall the more variables (numbers) enter into the equation. Assuming we're getting some quality (which we are) then our average should be higher with lesser commits.

That said, I feel our quality so far is better this year. I was never a fan of last year's strategy of loading up on 'meh' dudes just to have numbers, especially when you end up trying to push those same guys out later. I'd rather be picky like we seem to be doing this year. Only thing is though a lot of the guys at the top don't seem to be big on us, at least not now. So I'm interested to see how we fill out the class.

You don't say.

 

[miksta]

This doesn't change much, at least for me. I see Gamble got bumped to a 4-star, but he was always worthy of that bump and it seems it was only a matter of time. Hopefully we keep trending in that direction. I still don't understand this latest pickup, but whatever.

On the 'average' point, numbers always skews the average one way or another, we only have 6 commits while guys at the top have 15, 12, etc. Averages almost always fall the more variables (numbers) enter into the equation. Assuming we're getting some quality (which we are) then our average should be higher with lesser commits.

That said, I feel our quality so far is better this year. I was never a fan of last year's strategy of loading up on 'meh' dudes just to have numbers, especially when you end up trying to push those same guys out later. I'd rather be picky like we seem to be doing this year. Only thing is though a lot of the guys at the top don't seem to be big on us, at least not now. So I'm interested to see how we fill out the class.

Yeah, I made that post somewhat tic given our low number but relatively (relative to the entire country) strong quality right now.

I don't really know how seriously to take kids who don't have us high at this point. Could be bad or could be meaningless. I'd need to see historically how "top 5" lists (or whatever) end up translating into actual commits. I'm not a great statistician, though, so I wouldn't know how to come up with a clever Fivethirtyeight-esque metric for that.

 

[oozie7]

Yeah, I made that post somewhat tic given our low number but relatively (relative to the entire country) strong quality right now.

I don't really know how seriously to take kids who don't have us high at this point. Could be bad or could be meaningless. I'd need to see historically how "top 5" lists (or whatever) end up translating into actual commits. I'm not a great statistician, though, so I wouldn't know how to come up with a clever Fivethirtyeight-esque metric for that.

Well the hope is that in year 2 with us trending up on the field, those guys become interested. Then we just have to close. If we can get 10 wins and look good doing it, you'd have to think our chances go up for those guys. But if we finish like we did last year the result will probably be the same.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Well the hope is that in year 2 with us trending up on the field, those guys become interested. Then we just have to close. If we can get 10 wins and look good doing it, you'd have to think our chances go up for those guys. But if we finish like we did last year the result will probably be the same.

I think the final stretch had a far bigger impact on us than people think. Especially as Bama, F$U and UMich compete for many of the same elite kids we try to land. Add to that UGa added a well known Bana commodity in Kirby and it seems their is a direct correlation between our inept finish and our sub-par recruiting since then.

 

[oozie7]

I think the final stretch had a far bigger impact on us than people think. Especially as Bama, F$U and UMich compete for many of the same elite kids we try to land. Add to that UGa added a well known Bana commodity in Kirby and it seems their is a direct correlation between our inept finish and our sub-par recruiting since then.

Agreed, which is why it made no sense to me when people kept calling our bowl game 'meaningless.' Recruits wanna come on board a program they think is going in the right direction. Losing three straight AND having the worst bowl game loss in program history is not an easy thing to sell and probably killed any good vibes we had built up with the top guys. I didn't even expect us to win the bowl game, but we just looked completely inept. I definitely think that affected how we closed.

 

[hardliner]

Agreed, which is why it made no sense to me when people kept calling our bowl game 'meaningless.' Recruits wanna come on board a program they think is going in the right direction. Losing three straight AND having the worst bowl game loss in program history is not an easy thing to sell and probably killed any good vibes we had built up with the top guys. I didn't even expect us to win the bowl game, but we just looked completely inept. I definitely think that affected how we closed.

I can't believe anyone would actually say a first year coach's bowl game was "meaningless." That's pure delusion.

 

[miksta]

Well the hope is that in year 2 with us trending up on the field, those guys become interested. Then we just have to close. If we can get 10 wins and look good doing it, you'd have to think our chances go up for those guys. But if we finish like we did last year the result will probably be the same.

Agreed. I think I was unclear, though. I'm more interested in how top 5 lists *in early June* translate into actual commits.

I guess my thinking is that we should be pretty good this year (~9 wins) and have positive things to show on both sides of the ball. I suspect a lot of kids will end up including us in their top 5s by the end of November.

We could also shit the bed, so...

 

[TNole902]

That's pure delusion.

pretty thick on here right now. If it is not Michi, Oozie or Bonner posting from the orange and blue side, the message is unicorns and rainbows....with a few candies, nuts and sugarplum fairies, thrown in. This board reminds me of Warchant circa 2008, right now, minus about 200 posters.

 

[TennesseeGator]

pretty thick on here right now. If it is not Michi, Oozie or Bonner posting from the orange and blue side, the message is unicorns and rainbows....with a few candies, nuts and sugarplum fairies, thrown in. This board reminds me of Warchant circa 2008, right now, minus about 200 posters.

I don't follow FSU recruiting in 2016 so I didn't follow it in 2008.

Besides Ooz which is well spoken on his thoughts you want everyone to be doom and gloom like the other two? Will that tickle your fancy.

Look we aren't signing #40 classes.

Yes I think the last few games of not looking competitive and very inept on offense did keep us out of the top 10 but the positives of the past year did keep us in the top 15.

What's funny os many of those with their moods all bad because of the offer Trask are the same ones pretty much impressed that he is ahead of Franks and some want him to start.

I'm not breaking down each and every recruit but I've liked things I have seen such as the early jump on Perine. And I also like using a JUCO or two to fill a void while not totally depending on JUCO talent. I'm think our JUCO RB and WR are going to be huge factors.

I know this newest commitment didn't have the long pretty offer list like some want but I bet it will increase as his final JUCO season goes on.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Agreed. I think I was unclear, though. I'm more interested in how top 5 lists *in early June* translate into actual commits.

I guess my thinking is that we should be pretty good this year (~9 wins) and have positive things to show on both sides of the ball. I suspect a lot of kids will end up including us in their top 5s by the end of November.

We could also shit the bed, so...

Calculating acceptable record:

No excuse to lose: 3 OOC cupcakes, USCe, Ky, Vandy, Mizzou (7 wins)

Should win 50% of: Arky, LSU, UGa, UTn, F$U

9.5 wins. I think Arky should be in the no excuse but with new/young skill guys I dropped them down. So 9 wins pre-title and/or bowl game is OK. I personally don't think we get there, but time will tell

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't follow FSU recruiting in 2016 so I didn't follow it in 2008.

Besides Ooz which is well spoken on his thoughts you want everyone to be doom and gloom like the other two? Will that tickle your fancy.

Look we aren't signing #40 classes.

Yes I think the last few games of not looking competitive and very inept on offense did keep us out of the top 10 but the positives of the past year did keep us in the top 15.

What's funny os many of those with their moods all bad because of the offer Trask are the same ones pretty much impressed that he is ahead of Franks and some want him to start.

I'm not breaking down each and every recruit but I've liked things I have seen such as the early jump on Perine. And I also like using a JUCO or two to fill a void while not totally depending on JUCO talent. I'm think our JUCO RB and WR are going to be huge factors.

I know this newest commitment didn't have the long pretty offer list like some want but I bet it will increase as his final JUCO season goes on.

Too much making Trask a star before he steps in a game. Let's wait and see how that works out.

I agree JUCO WR will be a nice addition to the offense. I think the JUCO RB will end up being overrated.

Problem is Mac is an unknown to these kids. He is climbing uphill and only on-field performance can change that. If we can't attract elite talent at many positions it will be hard to keep up with the others. And this is not a knock out recruiting staff, nor do many have a lot of name recognition.

 

[TennesseeGator]

I don't necessarily think the JUCO RB will be overrated nor do I think he will be a Bama type star. I think he will rush for 600-800 yards and be a good alternate with the Jordans who hopefully will combine for 700 or so yards. I think Thompson will be good hands out of the backfield as well as a goal line type back. Cronkrite will fit this role as well.

I'm happy to see us adding "skill" to the skill position. We will no longer have DE's playing TE. We will actually have options at TE.

With the arm and size of Trask and the athletic ability of Franks I honestly think they are having them more as true QB's instead of game managers.

I honestly can't breakdown the defense without seeing them in action but it will be some playmakers. Kylan has seemed to impress the coaches. I know he wasn't a great head coach but Shannon comes from a strong pedigree as an assistant and I trust his knowledge in coaching up the LBers.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't necessarily think the JUCO RB will be overrated nor do I think he will be a Bama type star. I think he will rush for 600-800 yards and be a good alternate with the Jordans who hopefully will combine for 700 or so yards. I think Thompson will be good hands out of the backfield as well as a goal line type back. Cronkrite will fit this role as well.

I'm happy to see us adding "skill" to the skill position. We will no longer have DE's playing TE. We will actually have options at TE.

With the arm and size of Trask and the athletic ability of Franks I honestly think they are having them more as true QB's instead of game managers.

I honestly can't breakdown the defense without seeing them in action but it will be some playmakers. Kylan has seemed to impress the coaches. I know he wasn't a great head coach but Shannon comes from a strong pedigree as an assistant and I trust his knowledge in coaching up the LBers.

In the Trask thread I actually eluded to what you said. Even if del Rio leads us to a good amount of wins I think we have to have open competition the next yeat because I think the coaches will find out game managers aren't as cool when you don't have Saban's defense. I think either Franks or Trask will emerge as a productive offensive leader. Personally I like both more than Jake Allen.

I trust Randy Shannon as well. One of the few assistants on this staff I like.

Going to be interesting, I still think Thompson ends up a bust, more of a Chump type recruit imo, tape measure likes him, not confident it translate to the field.

I too like the skill position additions. Sick of the Fulwood types who can't gsin any space.

My honest take on Mac is the length of his tenure here will be determined by how quickly he realizes his CSU style will be more effective than his Bama style. Some things he does make me think he knows this, other moves he makes lead me to believe he wants to create Bama East which I think will shorten his tenure. Time will tell.

 

[miksta]

pretty thick on here right now. If it is not Michi, Oozie or Bonner posting from the orange and blue side, the message is unicorns and rainbows....with a few candies, nuts and sugarplum fairies, thrown in. This board reminds me of Warchant circa 2008, right now, minus about 200 posters.

Optimistic Gator fans ruin your life.

 

[TNole902]

Optimistic Gator fans ruin your life.

If they ruined my life, I wouldn't be here finding great amusement. Fans are funny.

 

[TennesseeGator]

In the Trask thread I actually eluded to what you said. Even if del Rio leads us to a good amount of wins I think we have to have open competition the next yeat because I think the coaches will find out game managers aren't as cool when you don't have Saban's defense. I think either Franks or Trask will emerge as a productive offensive leader. Personally I like both more than Jake Allen.

I trust Randy Shannon as well. One of the few assistants on this staff I like.

Going to be interesting, I still think Thompson ends up a bust, more of a Chump type recruit imo, tape measure likes him, not confident it translate to the field.

I too like the skill position additions. Sick of the Fulwood types who can't gsin any space.

My honest take on Mac is the length of his tenure here will be determined by how quickly he realizes his CSU style will be more effective than his Bama style. Some things he does make me think he knows this, other moves he makes lead me to believe he wants to create Bama East which I think will shorten his tenure. Time will tell.

Indeed. Being Bama East got long tenured Mark Right fired.

Allen may be the answer. I didnt want to speak on him until I saw him in a spring game at least.

My only recruiting concerns are the OL and DL. I am happy they did get the numbers at the OL to normal depth numbers. How good they are is the question. That I have no idea. The Johnson kid in his first class impressed me and of course Martez did. This DL commitment on on the OP, yes I scratched my head but pulling a Trask and/or Perine type offer once every now and then isn't bad. Just don't try to make a living off of doing g it consistently

 

[instaGATOR]

"Problem is Mac is an unknown to these kids." -- Michi-twit

Kirby Smart (bama DC) has name recognition,,,,
but McElwain (bama 2x NC OC & ColoSt MWC CoY) and Nussmeier (bama NC OC) don't??? ROTF-LMAO!!!
And Mc-staff only won 10 games and the SECe-C in his first season, blowing all predictions and expectation completely away, (7-5 at best, #4-5 SECe).
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"Too much making Trask a star before he steps in a game.
Let's wait and see how that works out." -- Michi-twit

Where they are at right now:
Luke Del Rio 6-1 213 rsSo
Walk-on to bama, 3rd string, Nuss left UA so he transferred to OreSt.
Walk-on to OreSt, 2nd string. Coach left, so he transferred to walk-on at UF.
Current Career College Stats - 3 gms, 0 starts (at OreSt):
Passing - 8 of 18 (44.4%) for 141 yds, 7.8 yds/att, 0 TD's, 0 Ints, QBR 110.2
Spring game, longest pass was about 23 yds, all were in the 18-23 yd range. (game manager, 1st team O vs 2-3 D)

Kyle Trask 6-4 228 4.6/40 Fr
Ship to UF, even as a backup QB in HS.
Injured as a Soph or he would have been the Manvel HS starter, per his coach.
Passing - 118 of 161 (73.3%) 1,820 yds, 11.3 yds/att, 17 TD's, 0 Ints, QBR 145.5
Spring Game - 4 of 7 with 2-3 string vs 1st string D. Slipped on the mid-field painted logo and still threw a 50 yd pass that only a great play by AA Maye kept from being an endzone TD to tFr EE Hammond.
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"If we can't attract elite talent at many positions" -- Michi-twit

2017 - 5 of his first 7 verbals are ESPN Top 300's. The other 2 are 350 pound DT's.

2016 - 7 of his first full class (25) recruits were ESPN Top 300's, 2 were JuCo Top 50's.
2015 - With only 2 months to recruit, his (21) class (1/3) still had 6 ESPN Top 300's.
That's 13 Top 300's and 2 JuCo Top 50's already, with supposedly no name recognition in his first 14 months on the job.

The Mc-staff 'style' is being affected by what he was left to deal with. That might carry over into 2016, but by 2017 we should be able to see in which direction he intends to take his team. Like any good HBC, he adjusts his systems to fit the personnel.
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PS
True Fr Leak beat 3 consecutive teams ranked in the Top 11,,, on the road (LSU-Ark-UGa). That was a 1st for any SEC true Fr QB, if memory serves me.
That included beating the 2003 BCS-NC 13-1 LSU in Death Valley (19-7).

(fixed it TG)
The difference between Leak and Trask is that Leak was given the reins and full support as the starter from the very get-go. Trask will have to work his way into a starter job past two older QB's, IF that happens at all in 2016.

 

[TennesseeGator]

"Problem is Mac is an unknown to these kids." -- Michi-twit

Kirby Smart (bama DC) has name recognition,,,,
but McElwain (bama 2x NC OC & ColoSt MWC CoY) and Nussmeier (bama NC OC) don't??? ROTF-LMAO!!!
And Mc-staff only won 10 games and the SECe-C in his first season, blowing all predictions and expectation completely away, (7-5 at best, #4-5 SECe).
------------
"Too much making Trask a star before he steps in a game.
Let's wait and see how that works out." -- Michi-twit

Where they are at right now:
Luke Del Rio 6-1 213 rsSo
Walk-on to bama, 3rd string, Nuss left UA so he transferred to OreSt.
Walk-on to OreSt, 2nd string. Coach left, so he transferred to walk-on at UF.
Current Career College Stats - 3 gms, 0 starts (at OreSt):
Passing - 8 of 18 (44.4%) for 141 yds, 7.8 yds/att, 0 TD's, 0 Ints, QBR 110.2
Spring game, longest pass was about 23 yds, all were in the 18-23 yd range. (game manager, 1st team O vs 2-3 D)

Kyle Trask 6-4 228 4.6/40 Fr
Ship to UF, even as a backup QB in HS.
Injured as a Soph or he would have been the Manvel HS starter, per his coach.
Passing - 118 of 161 (73.3%) 1,820 yds, 11.3 yds/att, 17 TD's, 0 Ints, QBR 145.5
Spring Game - 4 of 7 with 2-3 string vs 1st string D. Slipped on the mid-field painted logo and still threw a 50 yd pass that only a great play by AA Maye kept from being an endzone TD to tFr EE Hammond.
-----------------
"If we can't attract elite talent at many positions" -- Michi-twit

2017 - 5 of his first 7 verbals are ESPN Top 300's. The other 2 are 350 pound DT's.

2016 - 7 of his first full class (25) recruits were ESPN Top 300's, 2 were JuCo Top 50's.
2015 - With only 2 months to recruit, his (21) class (1/3) still had 6 ESPN Top 300's.
That's 13 Top 300's and 2 JuCo Top 50's already, with supposedly no name recognition in his first 14 months on the job.

The Mc-staff 'style' is being affected by what he was left to deal with. That might carry over into 2016, but by 2017 we should be able to see in which direction he intends to take his team. Like any good HBC, he adjusts his systems to fit the personnel.
-----------
PS
True Fr Leak beat 3 consecutive teams ranked in the Top 11,,, on the road (LSU-Ark-UGa). That was a 1st for any SEC true Fr QB, if memory serves me.
That included beating the 2003 BCS-NC 13-1 LSU in Death Valley at night, (19-7).

The difference between Leak and Trask is that Leak was given the reins and full support as the starter from the very get-go. Trask will have to work his way into a starter job past two older QB's, IF that happens at all in 2016.

That Leak win at LSU wasn't at night. It was the 2:30(Baton Rogue time) CBS game. Just pointing that out. Not disagreeing with anything. I just remember that game well. I was visiting nearby Jackson, MS and made the track down to the game.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Oh and Leak had to beat out Ingle Martin and Gavin Dickey for that starting spot. Ingle was the named starter at the beginning of that year. The UT game is what got him benched and Leak the starting nod.

 

[instaGATOR]

That Leak win at LSU wasn't at night. It was the 2:30(Baton Rogue time) CBS game. Just pointing that out. Not disagreeing with anything. I just remember that game well. I was visiting nearby Jackson, MS and made the track down to the game.

Thanks for the corrections TG. I never mind someone correcting my info. I don't always go and check out every detail, relying on my memory which is usually good enough. Always feel free to give me a correction to my posted data, and thanks again for doing so.

I do remember Spurrier telling Zook to get on Leak quick to keep him as a recruit, and that was Zook's first call after being named the new HBC. You are correct on Ingle, (forgot about him) but Dickey was always going to play baseball imo, and he did very well at that for the Gators.

* Ingle xferred to Furman and played so well for them that he eventually got his shot at the NFL.

 

[Dannygator1989]

My only qualm about even trying to correlate Leak's success to Trask's success is, well, Leak was one of the most decorated high school QBs ever.

Trask is a backup QB.

That's about as opposite as it gets.