GhostofMatchesMalone had one lasting quote that's well worth remembering. We are watching a movie. And it's a bad one at that. A real horror flick.
Walls are closing in on DJT.... *All of Trump Charged threads have been merged - post here*
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do NOT believe this judge came up with the jury instructions on his own; I have to believe he had help, perhaps from some professor. It's just my gut instinct. Yes, the instructions were horrendous, but the judge strikes me as a moron, likely beyond his capacity to twist, spin, and invent "the law" so thoroughly and completely.
Could not agree more. FJB already scheduled a little speech on this...NO WAY he would do this if he were found innocent. I will be SHOCKED if he is not found guilty by this kangaroo court. This is embarrassing as an American to me. What is worse..we have IDIOTS who put their politics ahead of the Country and just do not care. THOSE PEOPLE do not qualify as Americans to me.
Surely he'll be out on bail pending an appeal?
But this guilty verdict will be used by deranged leftists in The House to keep him off the ballot.
A few more RINO's will step down early, give Jeffries the gavel, and he'll pass some asinine rule that anyone convicted of a felony won't be confirmed by the House...or some similar crap.
@kalimgoodman @Mt.DoraGator
For those of you keeping score at home...In 2016, Hillary Clinton's campaign secretly paid more than a million dollars to foreign spies to create entire fictions out of whole cloth in order to smear Donald Trump as a Russian agent. These concealed payments ultimately led to illegal spying on a presidential campaign and a pointless, multimillion dollar Congressional witch hunt that derailed nearly three years of a presidential term. For these illegal payments, the FEC fined the Clinton campaign just $8,000, and the DNC $105,000.Trump, in contrast, spent $130,000 to spare his wife the embarrassment of a porn star's extortion attempt. None of the money was used to target Hillary Clinton or any other political opponents. It was done under advice of counsel. The FEC declined to even fine Trump over the payments. Yet he's the one facing four years in prison for an alleged "campaign finance violation."
For those of you keeping score at home...In 2016, Hillary Clinton's campaign secretly paid more than a million dollars to foreign spies to create entire fictions out of whole cloth in order to smear Donald Trump as a Russian agent. These concealed payments ultimately led to illegal spying on a presidential campaign and a pointless, multimillion dollar Congressional witch hunt that derailed nearly three years of a presidential term. For these illegal payments, the FEC fined the Clinton campaign just $8,000, and the DNC $105,000.Trump, in contrast, spent $130,000 to spare his wife the embarrassment of a porn star's extortion attempt. None of the money was used to target Hillary Clinton or any other political opponents. It was done under advice of counsel. The FEC declined to even fine Trump over the payments. Yet he's the one facing four years in prison for an alleged "campaign finance violation."
I’m interested in the bail question. I was wondering it myself. First I don’t know how you sentence him if he’s convicted based on a split jury vote. Usually the crime has sentencing guidelines. But THEN I wonder if they are really trying to jail the guy immediately. I believe it’s up to the judge whether he gets bail pending appeal and generally it’s based on whether the judge thinks the person is a flight risk and the chance of success of the appeal.
I’m sure they would prefer to jail him, but it’s just a matter of how bonkers everyone goes if they try it.
I’m sure they’ll take his passport and let him post.
And if he files for an appeal I think that will delay sentencing.
Zero chance they actually put him in jail. Biggest mistake ever if they do.
Like I said. You'll only see different views on this case from CNN or MSNBC. Everyone on Fox are saying the same thing. It's very interesting for sure.
You must watch much more FoxNews than I do. I certainly can’t cite any trends.
Who the hell watches cable news? You’d have to be an absolute drooling moron.
I’m no expert in criminal procedure but I don’t understand how the lawyers allowed this case to continue (without making a hell of a racket) without the charges being established at the outset (and without being express in the indictment apparently).
Lawyers have no say. They can cry and whine and raise every objection under the sun.
It’s the judge who is in charge.
It’s awful.
I can barely tolerate snippets and clips posted on Twitter.
My life is so much better without it. It puts you in a state of anger and frustration.
Someone tell me with a straight face the Biden administration has no involvement here.
3 dozen judges to choose from and he gets picked for all 3.
3 dozen judges to choose from and he gets picked for all 3.
KalimGoodman believes this to be strictly coincidence, just the randomness of life, and that what you are saying is just right wing, far right wing talking points (his defense for everything as evidenced by his frequency of use). Pavlovian, to say the least.
Where are our resident little snowflakes? Care to explain? NO...you will noty. You will CS ignore this...but we KNOW you see it. Just want to make sure ALL of you know we KNOLW who and WHAT you ALL are.
Because they Judge stopped them from being able to do anything. Denied motions, Denied objections, Denied witnesses, etc.
Stefanik files misconduct complaint against judge in Trump's trial
GOP Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has has called for an investigation into Justice Juan Merchan to 'determine whether the required random selection process was in fact followed'.
There are 24 judges in Manhattan that could have been selected.
I suck at math, but I think the probability of Merchan being selected once is 1/24 = 4.1%.
Assuming each instance is random, I think the odds he gets picked twice in a row is 1/48 = 2.0%.
Three times would be 1/72 = 1.4%.
So you're saying there's a chance....
Stefanik files misconduct complaint against judge in Trump's trial
GOP Congresswoman Elise Stefanik has has called for an investigation into Justice Juan Merchan to 'determine whether the required random selection process was in fact followed'.www.dailymail.co.uk
There are 24 judges in Manhattan that could have been selected.
I suck at math, but I think the probability of Merchan being selected once is 1/24 = 4.1%.
Assuming each instance is random, I think the odds he gets picked twice in a row is 1/48 = 2.0%.
Three times would be 1/72 = 1.4%.
So you're saying there's a chance....
They are leaving nothing to chance. There is a reason Merchans jury instructions are basically….”if one of you doesn’t like Trump, that’s enough to convict”
They don’t care if it will get overturned because of the absurdity of the judges decisions. They just care about being able to say he is a felon. Even if it ends up being…the once convicted felon former president.
It’s gross, and stalinist. Any other country did this and these leftists would be screaming corruption.
Read an article this am - that's only one of the options according to what I read:
1) Send him to jail and deny bail until an appeal can be heard, which could take months to years. This would be a result of the prosecution putting in a request for remand, which the judge decides to grant or not.
2) Probation. Trump can move about freely but he is at the beckon call of his parole officer. Surprise searches, mandatory emergency meetings, etc. I'd guess that a parole officer in Manhattan is probably a liberal. If they wanted to, say demand a meeting the day a rally or debate was scheduled, I think they have the power to do that. Parole officer also gets to decide if Trump can travel, and if he wanted to leave the state it would require permission.
3) House arrest, no travel, no in-person campaigning.
Regardless he'll technically be on parole if found guilty. They'd parole him until sentencing, in which case he would have to admit guilt to a parole officer or potentially be denied release (and/or that could be taken into account during sentencing).
All of this to say that an appellate court could decide to stay any sentence pending his appeal. So even if Merchan throws him in jail he doesn't get to decide if he stays there. My guess is as soon as the appeal is filed the appellate court stays and he can get back on the trail. But I'm 99.99% certain Merchan is going to do everything he can to keep him from campaigning for as long as he can...I think that's why Trump did the Bongino, Levin and Hannity interviews last night. It could be the last time the general public hears from him for a few weeks or months.
@kalimgoodman - just tagging so you see this..
DJT is potentially being thrown in jail for a crime he was neither accused of, nor convicted of, nor did he ever get a chance to defend himself against.
1) The accounting issues are misdemeanors. Minor offenses with no victim, no attempt at tax evasion, no major issue to anyone. It's how a private business classified a business/legal expense on their own books.
2) The "underlying crime" was never defined. There is no charge. In fact, the FEC and DOJ knew about the payment and declined to prosecute, indicating that there probably isn't a crime there at all (you think Garland wouldn't pounce if he could be the one to take Trump down?).
3) Even if there was a campaign finance violation, like we saw with Obama (biggest campaign finance violator in history) and Hillary (the Steele dossier was paid for with campaign funds), the penalty is a fine, not jail time. It's not a felony.
To call an NDA election interference is laughable and essentially puts all the power in the accuser's hands. In other words, if you wanted to take a candidate out just find a porn star/stripper/hottie they were once in a room with to "come forward" with an extortion lie, and there'd be little choice but to drop out of the race.
Lastly, if this was a tax issue, don't you think the IRS would have found it? They audit him every year. Regardless, it would be a federal tax issue, not a state one, and this court would have no jurisdiction over either the tax or campaign finance violations.
Ergo, DJT is being thrown in jail for committing a misdemeanor "in furtherance" of another crime that isn't defined, he couldn't defend himself against, and probably doesn't exist because none of the governing bodies responsible for enforcing those crimes saw one. None of this is new news, and nothing new could have been exposed in this trial because the crime was never specified.
I just can't imagine how anyone can say this is fair or just.
Perhaps because they know New York law and you don't?
Man what the heck???!!! This is a fine Example to NOT worship any politician ( well if you truly love the lord which I do ) good grief!!! This is the true Epitome of Idol Worship!
