The implication of your question is that the Florida signature win is not all that.
LMFAO
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That was 2-5 team your team lost to. Quite frankly, the GaTech defense is terrible. And FSU could not get 300 yards against it.
How do you explain that, given Fisher calls the offense?
So, stop deflecting and answer the question.
Why stop at the last 4 years? And I've already asked this question, but how does a great coach have the most talented team in the country (evidenced by the NFL draft) and trail in 9 of 12 regular season games, a few by double digits a year ago? And that was supposed to be y'alls greatest team ever. You escaped a 7-5 record by the skin of your teeth last year with a loaded squad. It's the reason you were 4th in the polls despite being undefeated and the defending champs. Takes some great coaching to look as bad as FSU did all of last year with the talent they had.
I already answered the ? for you. Teams lose games. It happens. If you play poorly pretty much anyone can beat you. FSU played poorly and lost the game. The problem is fans (fanatics) go off the deep end over everything. FSU lost? Well, obviously their coach is average and they're toast and will lose 3-4 games a year for the foreseeable future. Short of Fisher retiring or leaving for the NFL, FSU is poised to be very, very good in 2016 and 2017. Virtually everyone knew this would be a 10-3 type of year. It's also not a given that FSU will lose to Clemson and Florida. They could for sure, but it hasn't happened yet.
Slow down Cook and FSU will lose to almost anyone. Jimbo is a great recruiter. He has some decent game plans. But he has no clue how to respond if Cook can't carry them.
We are using evidence more than the one game. Jimbo Fisher has lost at least one improbable game every single year he did not have Jameis. That trend continues this year.
while Meyer had his worst year at UF with 5 losses and there were 10 losses between the two teams that year
Oh, that's a real tough one. Maybe because it's nearly impossible to keep 18-20 year old kids focused after an undefeated, national championship season. How did Urban Meyer lose a Citrus Bowl to an unranked Big 10 team with a Heisman winning QB and Charlie Strong as his DC? Obviously average, right?
These things happen in sports. No one wins every game, makes every shot, hits every fairway, closes every save, etc. It's as if people have never followed sports.
Oh for goodness sake. That was a 9-4 Florida team that lost 9 of 11 starters on defense, many who ended up in the NFL.
That Florida team did NOT lose to a 2-5 team. It is not the same thing and to suggest it is the same thing is just stupid.
Lost 9 of 11 starters from the NC team and had statistically the worst defense in Florida football history. They were an average team that overachieved because Tebow and the offense had a historical season.
Really? Your going to bring Urban Meyer into this as an example? Meyer has won 3 national championships with basically 3 different teams and 3 different starting QBs. He's the only coach to ever have 4 20 game winning streaks. He's one of the GOAT college coaches.
Using Urban Meyer for a comparison or as an example is as about as bad as you could have come up with.
Goodness, you guys can argue over everything can't you? Thanks for proving my point. I clearly was not suggesting that Meyer isn't a great coach because he lost a Citrus Bowl with a Heisman winner (and honestly you'd have to be pretty daft to read that post and come to that conclusion). That was the point. That even the best at their craft fail. Failure is part of sports. The best golfers on the planet miss 3 footers. It happens.
No. You were trying to equate Jimbo losing to a 2-5 team to Meyer losing a bowl game against a winning team.
That is not nearly the same thing.
That is not nearly the same thing.
No, we actually agree on this point. You and Paco are arguing with yourselves.
Yea, great coaches may struggle one, twice, or maybe even three times during a season with a roster that stacked, they most certainly would not have trailed in 9 of 12 games, especially not against that schedule FSU played. I know it hurts you to admit the obvious, but you'll come to that conclusion eventually. May be this year, the next, or the one after that but it'll happen. Just make sure you show back up here so I can say I told you so.
Good for you.
We will talk again when Jim has another one of those losses. Probably won't happen soon, because as someone pointed out, FSU has only played one team this year with a winning record to support its awesome 6-1 record. And won't be playing one this weekend
You know how many FSU fans have been debating to the death that Cook is better than Fournette this year?
the Fsu delusion has been as bad as ever this year because of their last two years, they really couldn't tell just how bad they have looked this year against the worst QB's ive ever seen on an FBS schedule and they still lost to one that ran backwards and took sacks to take them out of FG range... yet still lost
the Fsu delusion has been as bad as ever this year because of their last two years, they really couldn't tell just how bad they have looked this year against the worst QB's ive ever seen on an FBS schedule and they still lost to one that ran backwards and took sacks to take them out of FG range... yet still lost
Actually, if you go over the the FSU sports , many, many of the fans over there understand how mediocre FSU is this year. Seems we get most of the delusional ones here.
Selective focus. You're only interested in what supports your conclusion (a conclusion that you came to before Fisher had coached a single game btw). You love to bring up 2014, but what about 2013? Didn't FSU go 14-0 with an average margin of victory of like 52-10? You're pride and fan loyalty is clouding your judgement on this one. Arguing that a 6th year HC with an .841 winning % and a natty is "average" is literally insane.
Of course they did. That was a great team, led by a great QB, with NFL receivers and linemen. As we try and explain to you, (very patiently, I might add), Fisher with Winston and Fisher without Winston seem to be two different coaches. Witness losing to a 2-5 team this year. This is the Fisher you are stuck with.
He will be Richt-ish.....load of talent, easy schedule, so will do well to compete and keep job, but the planets will not line up again for him like they did two years ago.
Jimbo is not a great coach and he doesn't suck balls; he's an above average coach. F$U, thanks to Blobbies unwillingness to face an SEC schedule year in and year out, has once again taken advantage of being in a weak-ass conference, just as they did in the 90s. Difference is, in the 90s they were legitimately a top 5 program nearly every year. Now they've been dethroned by clempsin as the tallest midget in the acc.
And the other problem is that there is now a playoff system...no matter how easy your schedule is, you have to actually beat legit teams back to back to win it all..when was the last time f$u did that?
Actually, I'm 'following the process' as your coach likes to say all that often. Results both positive and negative come for a variety of reasons, the end result doesn't always tell the full tale. In the case of FSU, their great results come from overwhelming poor teams with their talent. For example, in 2013 FSU's schedule was 72nd in the country pre-BCS game. You've had more talent than any team in the country the past four years, that's why you've won. Spin it any way you want, but great coaches wouldn't be in death struggles with poor teams year after year after year when they outclass their opponents talent wise the way FSU does/did. Trailing 9 of 12 games with the talent they had isn't simply 'guys not focusing' they're a poorly coached team who gets by on talent. You keep pointing to 2013...it's an outlier. He's on his 6th season and every single one except 2013 he's either lost to severely undermanned teams, or struggled with poor teams he had no business struggling with. 5 seasons of trends>>>> 1 admittedly great season.
Oozie, in all seriousness, I continually hear the pundits (NCAA and NFL) clamor on about how complex Jimbo's offenses are...he's an "offensive master mind." This is either an exaggeration OR his system is too dadgum complex for your average athlete (i.e. takes a Winston-type to run it). If it’s the latter, then shouldn't Jimbo "dumb it down" so as to get the best athletes with the ball in their hand (always seems like we've got studs on the bench because they don't know the system). It literally takes a freak to play as a freshman (talent shines brighter than playbook knowledge).
As a former player, what are your thoughts? (It's irritating watching our talent-pool lose).
Complicated or not, Ga Tech has one of the worst defenses in the ACC. Jimbo could not manage 300 yards against it.
Well seeing as how I haven't had any kind of intricate access to his playbook, I can't really speak on it. I can say that his offense doesn't look complex in terms of the reads the QB's make or the plays they run. Maybe the complexity is in the verbiage? I'd say that's pretty likely. Truth is a lot of coaches get caught up in their own genius and would rather have a 300 page playbook with each play being 10 words long and struggle on offense before they'd run a 'simple' offense and have great athletes in space making plays and taking all the credit. Might sound crazy but it's really true, so many of them want the genius label attached to their name.
And yea, you guys should dumb it down. As should UF and UM, which is why I've been a fan of the spread for so long. We have the best skill athletes in the country in our backyard, we don't need to run a 'prostyle' offense. Chances are your third or fourth receiver will be better than the third of fourth corner for 90% of the defenses you face. Give the players the damn ball in space and get out of the way.
LOL. Lemme revise that to say simple and tactically sound. Not just 'dive!'
FSU's biggest offensive problem was failure in the red zone. Can't expect to win with just one TD all day. They had plenty of opportunites and simply didn't get in the paint. GT's only two TD's came on a 60 yard breakaway...and a 78 yard blocked kick return.
FSU played its worst of the season...yet still should have won the game. Terrible loss for the Noles who played like a very average to poor team Saturday.
No! It's much more than that, just listen to our gators hosts! It means our coach is garbage and we will never ever ever ever win another NC in our history! Thanks how significant that loss was.
And Ga Tech, even with those FSU problems in the redzone in the most recent game, STILL has the ACC's worst red zone defenses for allowing TDs.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2015/leader/821/team/defense/split01/category27/sort05.html
Dude, when your team cannot score TDs in the redzone against the ACC's worst red zone TD defense, after having multiple tries, that is bad coaching. When your O-line jumps offsides on multiple occasions in multiple games, that is coaching.
Do you understand these simple points? Apparently not.
Yes it was Jimbo fault Golson didn't settle for the Cook checkdown for the walk in score instead of forcing it to Rudolph. That would have won the game right there. That game wasn't Jimbo best moment, 2013 was but you guys give Jameis all the credit for that one. Lol
