No. I am saying Biden got 81 million votes and won.
Honest question for the Trump haters here
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Say it all you want, doesn't mean many of those votes were legitimate.
Nothing that happened prior to the election or that has happened since the election logically supports a conclusion that Hiden got 81M votes. That he won is absolutely laughable.
He did no campaigning. He had only a handful of stops, and no one showed up. One campaign stop in AZ was announced well in advance and featured him and Kamala.
NO ONE showed up. Not a single person. When the press asked where the people where, the Hiden campaign told them they had changed it to a private event.
I've long contended that Hiden got about 20M actual votes. More or less the people that will always vote for any candidate that has a D next to his name.
Everyone else either voted for Trump, or stayed at home.
People that hated Trump looked at Hiden, saw that he wasn't any better, and STAYED AT HOME. If Hiden hadnt been an absolute disaster of a candidate, I might buy the story that Trump haters push that people didn't vote for Hiden, they voted against Trump.
If you hated Trump, you still saw that Hiden was a complete trainwreck.
Logically, you don't vote for either candidate in that scenario.
@Uniformed_ReRe knows Hiden didn't win. But he needs a story to believe, so he wraps himself in the idea that there were 81M people out there just like him that hated Trump so much, that they would vote for anyone else.
In reality, I think Hiden got 20M votes, Trump got around 100M. I think we will eventually be able to prove both numbers.
You are projecting again.
I don’t think Trump lost; I know Trump lost. Not only do I know this, I know that Trump knows this too, along with most of his despicable enablers.
I could believe vote totals in the ballpark of Biden 50-55MM - Trump 75MM.
I’ve seen drop and roll and the video of the vote totals changing I just am not sure they took from Trump as much as just stuffed the box for Biden.
You have a big contingent of people who consume only one type of media and don’t pay much attention. But 50MM votes is probably a baseline for either party these days, just looking at past elections. That said…your point that he didn’t campaign is spot on. Hard to believe anyone was excited for a Biden presidency.
Awful defensive about such a settled topic?
At this point you’re probably just giving the argument legs.
You might want to sit the rest of this conversation out.
His feelings are still butt hurt over those mean tweets from 2020.
I don’t hate Trump. I just think he’s a complete bullshitter and incompetent. I also think he would have tried to hold office by force if he could have, and that is the end of democracy (whatever is left of it) and I can’t tolerate that. I think he does at the very least tolerate racist support and has encouraged it at times.
Anyone who thinks Biden is running this country is walking around blind without a cane. My guess would be Blinken and Sullivan are running things. I have to say I don’t think they’ve done a terrible job, given the state of the country/world that they walked into. I think they want to run Mayor Pete for President and if they do, in my opinion it is all the proof you need that the elections are rigged. This guy couldn’t get elected dog catcher, as he demonstrated in his run in 2020, so if he’s the guy, you know they’re not sweating it.
I would support a candidate who I thought would try to restore some economic and political balance to this country, but I don’t see anyone viable. I think unfortunately that we are irrevocably committed to oligarchy and we will continue to run this country for the short term economic benefit of wall st.
Anyone who thinks Biden is running this country is walking around blind without a cane. My guess would be Blinken and Sullivan are running things. I have to say I don’t think they’ve done a terrible job, given the state of the country/world that they walked into. I think they want to run Mayor Pete for President and if they do, in my opinion it is all the proof you need that the elections are rigged. This guy couldn’t get elected dog catcher, as he demonstrated in his run in 2020, so if he’s the guy, you know they’re not sweating it.
I would support a candidate who I thought would try to restore some economic and political balance to this country, but I don’t see anyone viable. I think unfortunately that we are irrevocably committed to oligarchy and we will continue to run this country for the short term economic benefit of wall st.
Dr Shiva ran a statistical analysis of the votes in Maricopa County I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), and found that each Trump vote was counted as being 0.75 of a vote, and each Hiden vote was 1.25 of a vote.
Even with that, they needed to pad the Hiden numbers with 'mail in' votes to barely push Hiden to the win*.
Trump's support was so massive it broke their algorithms. I think Trump's total was slightly suppressed, but Hiden's was massively inflated.
We'll likely never know the truth. We found out in 2022 that Arizona is lost with voter fraud as well, likely forever, probably Georgia too. PA, WS, and MI, gone!Dr Shiva ran a statistical analysis of the votes in Maricopa County I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), and found that each Trump vote was counted as being 0.75 of a vote, and each Hiden vote was 1.25 of a vote.
Even with that, they needed to pad the Hiden numbers with 'mail in' votes to barely push Hiden to the win*.
Trump's support was so massive it broke their algorithms. I think Trump's total was slightly suppressed, but Hiden's was massively inflated.
What?
If that was in fact Trump's attempt to "hold office by force" that was literally the most feeble, half assed attempt to take office by force any has ever seen in history.
He was still commander in chief at the time, he couldn't have scrounged up some actual pipe hitters?
Antifa has more violent riots than the Jan 6th crew.
I don't agree with him but I think he is saying that Trump would have if he could have, but didn't believe that he could so he didn't.
Childish. You're probably tired of debating it but that doesn't make your response less childish.
@fatman76 's numbers don't prove cheating in and of themselves but it certainly seems reasonable to be concerned about election integrity due to them.
Remember when RGG whined our Parking Lot was going to run off UF recruits?
As Hiden was Obama's. Wow, the bar just keeps getting set lower and lower. 😂
That whole Rashada debacle makes me not even want to read The Locker Room posts anymore. Wow, just wow. I haven't clicked over there since. The amount of stupidity is numbing, and there is plenty to go around, including the comments.
I find it fascinating that the same people that will tell us that Trump really didn't do anything that remarkable for the economy in his first term, will then turn around and tell us that the economy really isn't that bad right now under Hiden.
This is like saying "Sure, Scarlett Johanssen has pleasant features, but I'd bang the hell outta Andrea Mitchell!' cc @sadgator
I don’t see a lot of difference between Trump’s administration and the current one. Both are aggressive on trade and trying to reshore industry. Both spend and borrow like drunken sailors. I think our economy/country’s biggest problem is 31 trillion in debt. Biden’s been irresponsible on debt/spending but so was everybody in the office in the two decades preceding him.
Big difference on social issues, woke culture, etc… policing, immigration. I don’t agree with Biden on these issues but I feel like if we don’t get our economy/finances sorted out, all of that is just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
Biden’s energy policy, at least as stated, is horrific. And a huge handicap as far as our economic competitiveness.
I don’t like the Ukraine war, but i understand why we’re doing it (exhaust Russia’s military infrastructure; replace Russia as western Europe’s energy supplier; an attempt (unsuccessful it looks like) to sideline Russia from the global energy trade).
Another big issue for me is personal privacy, but the horse is out of the barn on that one. We’re headed toward full scale China style surveillance State no matter who’s in charge.
I agree with a lot of Trump’s rhetoric, but I think he’s largely all talk. And I don’t think he’s a capable enough executive to actually implement the things he says he stands for.
I've always said that Trump wasn't shy about spending, and that always irritated fiscal conservatives.
The difference is, dems (and when I say dems that includes RINOs) spend to get kickbacks and make money for themselves. They view spending bills as donation drives.
Trump subscribes to the idea of 'ya gotta spend money to make money'. He's a businessman, so his philosophy always was spend the money upfront, then the additional profit you make on the backend will cover the upfront cost.
From Day One, Trump wanted to address the wasteful spending in DC. That was one of the big reasons why BOTH sides immediately turned on him.
THANK YOU for saving me all the time to read your post. I read this much, and knew it was not worth reading. You seem not to know the difference between a socialist and an American
None of them can ever hold their own accountable. It's never happened in the history of this board, and never will.
Any time any of them says Hiden did something wrong, it's immediately followed with 'But Trump is just as bad, or worse!". As we see here.
It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen.
I know what you think. I don’t trust you have truly looked into it, mostly because you don’t really care about election integrity as long as your guy wins. The next time, if ever, a Republican wins the WH I’d hope you will not even think to question…just as you did with the 2020 election.
While we’re talking about questions - can you tell me if it makes sense to you that the Fed Gov’t is using military style AI surveillance - with funding they are providing to liberal academia - to find and root out “election deniers”…especially as it happened just as the Biden Administration was pushing the MAGA national threat narrative?
Does this story bother you at all?
Feds adapting AI used to silence ISIS to combat American dissent on vaccines, elections
The federal government, working hand-in-hand with universities, private companies and Big Tech, is funneling millions of dollars in taxpayer money to fund an AI censorship program to be used on American citizens.
justthenews.com
Thought I would drop this here
Trump validates Reagonomics again :
"The latest Congressional Budget Office report released earlier this month calculated that the federal government collected $4.9 trillion of federal revenue last year. This was up – ready for this? – almost $1.5 trillion since 2017, the year before the tax cuts became law...
In other words, revenues were up 40% in five years...
the Trump tax cuts were expected to "cost..." an expected $1 trillion revenue "loss..."
Washington doesn't have a revenue problem. It has a problem of runaway spending...."
www.wnd.com
I imagine all the RINOs, moderate and independents heads will explode. They are Reagan deniers always blaming deficits on tax cuts. Hmm now imagine the Fair Tax and a Balanced Budget with a GDP cap.
Trump validates Reagonomics again :
"The latest Congressional Budget Office report released earlier this month calculated that the federal government collected $4.9 trillion of federal revenue last year. This was up – ready for this? – almost $1.5 trillion since 2017, the year before the tax cuts became law...
In other words, revenues were up 40% in five years...
the Trump tax cuts were expected to "cost..." an expected $1 trillion revenue "loss..."
Washington doesn't have a revenue problem. It has a problem of runaway spending...."
Trump's tax cuts paid for themselves, and then some!
How many times have you heard President Joe Biden or Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., berate the Trump tax cuts as "a giveaway to the rich"? Biden and congressional Democrats now want to let expire major planks of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, former President...
www.wnd.com
I imagine all the RINOs, moderate and independents heads will explode. They are Reagan deniers always blaming deficits on tax cuts. Hmm now imagine the Fair Tax and a Balanced Budget with a GDP cap.
Wait. A. Second.Thought I would drop this here
Trump validates Reagonomics again :
"The latest Congressional Budget Office report released earlier this month calculated that the federal government collected $4.9 trillion of federal revenue last year. This was up – ready for this? – almost $1.5 trillion since 2017, the year before the tax cuts became law...
In other words, revenues were up 40% in five years...
the Trump tax cuts were expected to "cost..." an expected $1 trillion revenue "loss..."
Washington doesn't have a revenue problem. It has a problem of runaway spending...."
Trump's tax cuts paid for themselves, and then some!
How many times have you heard President Joe Biden or Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., berate the Trump tax cuts as "a giveaway to the rich"? Biden and congressional Democrats now want to let expire major planks of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, former President...
I imagine all the RINOs, moderate and independents heads will explode. They are Reagan deniers always blaming deficits on tax cuts. Hmm now imagine the Fair Tax and a Balanced Budget with a GDP cap.
You're telling me that if the gov't takes a step back and lets individuals and businesses keep more of their profits they actually reinvest it back into the economy and it grows?
Impossible. Someone who hasn't blocked him needs to get BSC in here to explain all of this away.
Reasonably sure they released a virus to help win an election.I know what you think. I don’t trust you have truly looked into it, mostly because you don’t really care about election integrity as long as your guy wins. The next time, if ever, a Republican wins the WH I’d hope you will not even think to question…just as you did with the 2020 election.
While we’re talking about questions - can you tell me if it makes sense to you that the Fed Gov’t is using military style AI surveillance - with funding they are providing to liberal academia - to find and root out “election deniers”…especially as it happened just as the Biden Administration was pushing the MAGA national threat narrative?
Does this story bother you at all?
Feds adapting AI used to silence ISIS to combat American dissent on vaccines, elections
The federal government, working hand-in-hand with universities, private companies and Big Tech, is funneling millions of dollars in taxpayer money to fund an AI censorship program to be used on American citizens.
Neither the moderates nor the independents will bat an eye. Tax cuts generally have this effect, and tax cuts combined with budget cuts even more so. The people with money don't keep it in a jar under the bed, they use it to make more money in the form of investment. The more they get to keep, the more they have to invest and the more taxes they pay on that, plus the economic benefit of business and job creation.
The federal government just wastes it.
Whether planned or not it certainly worked out that way.
My fear is it ended free and fair elections in this country forever.
"Trump's tax cuts paid for themselves"Thought I would drop this here
Trump validates Reagonomics again :
"The latest Congressional Budget Office report released earlier this month calculated that the federal government collected $4.9 trillion of federal revenue last year. This was up – ready for this? – almost $1.5 trillion since 2017, the year before the tax cuts became law...
In other words, revenues were up 40% in five years...
the Trump tax cuts were expected to "cost..." an expected $1 trillion revenue "loss..."
Washington doesn't have a revenue problem. It has a problem of runaway spending...."
Trump's tax cuts paid for themselves, and then some!
How many times have you heard President Joe Biden or Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., berate the Trump tax cuts as "a giveaway to the rich"? Biden and congressional Democrats now want to let expire major planks of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, former President...
I imagine all the RINOs, moderate and independents heads will explode. They are Reagan deniers always blaming deficits on tax cuts. Hmm now imagine the Fair Tax and a Balanced Budget with a GDP cap.
Like I said, @bradleygator.
@NavigatorII, I think you are Last Man Standing.
And he still managed to run up numbers like these. Impressive.
Donald Trump
At the end of fiscal year 2020, the debt was $26.9 trillion. Trump added $6.7 trillion to the debt between fiscal year 2017 and fiscal year 2020, a 33.1% increase, largely due to the effects of the coronavirus pandemic and 2020 recession.In his FY 2021 budget, Trump's budget included a $966 billion deficit.17 However, the national debt actually grew by $1.5 trillion between October 1, 2020, and October 1, 2021.
- FY 2021: $1.5 trillion
- FY 2020: $4.2 trillion
- FY 2019: $1.2 trillion
- FY 2018: $1.3 trillion
| END OF FISCAL YEAR | DEBT (IN BILLIONS, ROUNDED) | DEBT-TO-GDP RATIO | MAJOR EVENTS BY PRESIDENTIAL TERM |
|---|
| 2008 | $10,025 | 68% | Bank bailout and QE |
| 2009 | $11,910 | 82% | Bailout cost $250B ARRA added $242B |
| 2010 | $13,562 | 90% | ARRA added $400B, payroll tax holiday ended, Obama Tax cuts, ACA, Simpson-Bowles |
| 2011 | $14,790 | 95% | Debt crisis, recession and tax cuts reduced revenue |
| 2012 | $16,066 | 99% | Fiscal cliff |
| 2013 | $16,738 | 99% | Sequester, government shutdown |
| 2014 | $17,824 | 101% | QE ended, debt ceiling crisis |
| 2015 | $18,151 | 100% | Oil prices fell |
| 2016 | $19,573 | 105% | Brexit |
| 2017 | $20,245 | 104% | Congress raised the debt ceiling |
| 2018 | $21,516 | 105% | Trump tax cuts |
| 2019 | $22,719 | 107% | Trade wars |
| 2020 | $27,748 | 129% | COVID-19 and 2020 recession |
| 2021 | $29,617 | 124% | COVID-19 and American Rescue Plan Act |
| 2022 | $30,824 | 123% | Inflation Reduction Act and student loan forgiveness |
2020 was horrendous for obvious reasons, free money, mo money, git yo some money, Plandemic! Otherwise, Trump's numbers in relationship to GDP were no worse than Bo Peeps last year, and that is including a big middle class tax cut in 2018. 2020 reckless spending rests solely on the shoulders of Nancy Pelosi and every blue state that shut down and crawled into the fetal position. Trump could have vetoed Pelosi's reckless spending but would have been overridden and it was an election year.
Biden's numbers are even more horrible. Remind yourselves that with the interest clock accruing, it's only going to get worse when the .Gov keeps spending money like drunken sailors, spending more than is being taken in.
Also in this link, people bitched about Bush's spending, but it was less than Clintons and Obamas. Go here, too much to longcat and no one would read it anyway.
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US National Debt by Year
The U.S. national debt was over $31 trillion in 2022. In 1930, it was just $16 billion. The biggest impacts have been defense spending, recessions, and recently, the pandemic.
Anything happen in 2020 that you want to talk about?
Why be so dishonest? Just tell the truth, then we can have a legitimate discussion.
