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I get fsu having big plays....Cook will be playing on Sundays and your QB looks like he is well on his way, I think that kid is going to be really good, but Arky has been handled by every decent team on their schedule, yet they made us look like a JV program....
The SECe titles could be classified as an accomplishment. They are NOT however, a measure of anything. Chump went 11-1 in 2012, didn't win the East. Meyer and Spurrier both had numerous teams far superior and with the program in FAR better shape and did not win the east. Better to win the east than not, but it is NOT a measure of quality of the team or state of the program.
Agreed except for #1. No doubt the game has seen the Meyers, Sabans, Fishers take over a program and win a natty in their first several years. Still, I don't think that ought to be the standard to which big time programs should be measured. Mac very well may not be THE guy, but is that assessment based on optics or results? Sure the SECe is relatively weak, but winning back to back division titles is still no small feat.
I would put his ceiling at Richt-era UGA, which to me isn't an absolute disaster, although probably a lot of people would disagree. But I think that might even be a stretch given Richt's advantages as a recruiter.
Players flip in and flip out every year. Are you new?
NSD is when you might be able to legitimately whine about this years class.
However, Mc-staffs two previous classes are already performing way above the recruiting services rankings.
NSD is when you might be able to legitimately whine about this years class.
However, Mc-staffs two previous classes are already performing way above the recruiting services rankings.
MAYBE...the fact that we have a new AD, with no ties to Mac, there might be an out, if there is actually the vision to see a route to fixing the program.
I certainly don't expect it, BUT,,, if the miracle should happen and he wins the SEC-C, then were are all of the nay-sayers going to hide?
Since none of them want to give him any credit for B-2-B SECe-C's, I'm guessing that they also will not want to man up and give him any of his earned credit for anything else...
Since none of them want to give him any credit for B-2-B SECe-C's, I'm guessing that they also will not want to man up and give him any of his earned credit for anything else...
I certainly don't expect it, BUT,,, if the miracle should happen and he wins the SEC-C, then were are all of the nay-sayers going to hide?
Since none of them want to give him any credit for B-2-B SECe-C's, I'm guessing that they also will not want to man up and give him any of his earned credit for anything else...
But see you are being simplistic. Lets say he loses to Bama on Saturday. Gets there next year and loses agin. Would he be fired next year, no. BUT, you are now Mark Richt and if he doesn't win one soon after he will be in trouble. At some point you have to win something of substance. Winning the SECe is great, but like even MJ said, at some point you have to win the SEC.
Michi, this is just his 2nd season. He was predicted to go 7-8 wins and finish in the 3 to 5 range in the SECe the last 2 season. Yet instead of giving him any credit for what he's actually done, voted the SEC CoY last year by his fellow SEC coaches, (but what do they know?) you continue to speculate that he might be fired after his 4th or 5th year IF he fails to win the SEC-C.
So at some point, maybe you and the other nay-sayers should just sit down and STFU for a while...
I like McElwain and think that he can get this program back where it needs to be - given time without constant bitching from people who think we should be playing in the Final 4 with the talent on hand. 2 SEC East titles in his first 2 years IS a major accomplishment considering the offensive personnel he's had to work with. We caught lightning in a bottle with Meyer and if McElwain goes, who is a Meyer-quality coach ready to step in, knowing that we've canned our last 2 coaches after 4 years, assuming this one stays for 2 more seasons? I do agree that recruiting needs to improve substantially because it's all about getting enough players who can perform at an elite level. It's obvious he's developing players better than Muschamp and his demeanor and representation of the University of Florida is way better. But where is the next Spurrier or Meyer if we run him off? What good coach will want to come here and get trashed like is happening here in his 2nd year?
I think that's a strawman. I don't think anyone wants him fired now cept Michi and I don't think anyone expects us to be in the Final 4 either. And I'm also gonna call BS on the claims about the offensive personnel. There are not 119 schools with better offensive recruits than UF has. Guys like Scarlett, Cleveland, Hammond, Callaway, Goolsby, etc. were all major recruits that could have picked their school. They all suck?
McElwain isn't being trashed either, his offense is. Objective people can give him credit for things he has done, like improving facilities, having a plan, the East, etc. while also still realizing that his offense is a giant failure. The two are not the same. Asking why the offenses are going backwards from under Muschamp isn't an unfair question nor is it an unfair expectation to have an offense better than those. The last guy was fired in large part because he couldn't get that side of the ball right and now we are worse. Why is it such a terrible thing to be asking why that is the case?
McElwain isn't being trashed either, his offense is. Objective people can give him credit for things he has done, like improving facilities, having a plan, the East, etc. while also still realizing that his offense is a giant failure. The two are not the same. Asking why the offenses are going backwards from under Muschamp isn't an unfair question nor is it an unfair expectation to have an offense better than those. The last guy was fired in large part because he couldn't get that side of the ball right and now we are worse. Why is it such a terrible thing to be asking why that is the case?
I only want him fired if he cannot make a fundamental change in offensive philosophy. What we are doing is NOT working. I am not just talking Nuss, I am talking this game-manager QB BS they ran at Bama. Does.Not.Work. But if he wanta to roll out with Nuss again next year or try the same damn thing again he deserves it if he gets canned. Our offense is a problem. Its NOT a personnel issue as much as a philosophical flaw. After two years if your system isn't moving in the right direction, its time to try something different, see Saban.
Those without answers for the offense, don't feel to bad about it.
Today I was listening to the Steve Russel radio show with Shane Matthews as the guest.
Shane called Franks a 5 star rated QB, then said that Trask wasn't even a starter in HS, but he obviously doesn't know why that was. Clueless about a QB subject that he should be well versed about IF he's going to try to talk about it on a Gator radio show. Try doing a little research before making a fool outta yourself in front of everybody again....
Hey Dude, you've just been punked by an old man...
Today I was listening to the Steve Russel radio show with Shane Matthews as the guest.
Shane called Franks a 5 star rated QB, then said that Trask wasn't even a starter in HS, but he obviously doesn't know why that was. Clueless about a QB subject that he should be well versed about IF he's going to try to talk about it on a Gator radio show. Try doing a little research before making a fool outta yourself in front of everybody again....
Hey Dude, you've just been punked by an old man...
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Michi, instead of wasting your valuable time and intelligence posts here for us no knowledge chumps, you should instead write up all of your solutions for the many problems that you see, and send them to the new AD and the Gator coaching staff, so that they can give your insights all of the attention that they truly deserve...
Before anything else, insta is bitchingabout Trask again.
But, let me say this:
I don't think that Nuss calls as bad a game as most.
STOP!
I think he's bad.
Now let's continue.
We have guys open and we aren't checking down to them.
Now with that in mind, do you think Mac doesn't want to win? To have a a god offense?
I think a new OC/QB coach is a big cute for a lot of problems.
I think Mac had a good vision and good program managment overall but there is a glaring issue with the offense and QB development.
Mac needs to be more hands on. I'm not saying he needs to be Steve and call all the plays and coach the QBs himself but he needs to be more involved.
But, let me say this:
I don't think that Nuss calls as bad a game as most.
STOP!
I think he's bad.
Now let's continue.
We have guys open and we aren't checking down to them.
Now with that in mind, do you think Mac doesn't want to win? To have a a god offense?
I think a new OC/QB coach is a big cute for a lot of problems.
I think Mac had a good vision and good program managment overall but there is a glaring issue with the offense and QB development.
Mac needs to be more hands on. I'm not saying he needs to be Steve and call all the plays and coach the QBs himself but he needs to be more involved.
I think Mac wants to win AND have a good offense and I think he could run a very successful program. But I think he needs to do what Coach O is going to do at LSU and forget anything he knows about offense and go get a dynamic play caller. Someone competely out of what he knows. What Mac knows is not going to work in college football today. A QB cannot be a game managing statue. You cannot run on first and second down and only throw when need be.
However, I am not sure how he can fix the recruiting issue. That is a problem I do not understand.
Those without answers for the offense, don't feel to bad about it.
Today I was listening to the Steve Russel radio show with Shane Matthews as the guest.
Shane called Franks a 5 star rated QB, then said that he Trask wasn't even a starter in HS, but he obviously doesn't know why that was. Clueless about a QB subject that he should be versed about IF he's going to try to talk about it on a Gator radio show. Try doing a little research before making a fool outta yourself in front of everybody again....
Hey Dude, you've just been punked by an old man...
Shane Matthews tells us every Spring we are looking good at the QB position after watching practices. If people listened to Shane he would have made you think Driscoll was going to magically have a great season in 2014 and that LDR was the real deal going into this year. He is too much of a sunshine pumper for his own good sometimes.
And he hated the Meyer offense too.
Shane, for all my fond memories of him as a player, has become a bit of a joke.
Those without answers for the offense, don't feel to bad about it.
Today I was listening to the Steve Russel radio show with Shane Matthews as the guest.
Shane called Franks a 5 star rated QB, then said that he Trask wasn't even a starter in HS, but he obviously doesn't know why that was. Clueless about a QB subject that he should be versed about IF he's going to try to talk about it on a Gator radio show. Try doing a little research before making a fool outta yourself in front of everybody again....
Hey Dude, you've just been punked by an old man...
Shane Matthews knows football but I don't take his QB evaluations too seriously. He seems to take a liking to QB's similar to himself and from that point on it clouds what he's actually seeing.
Shane is not a 'bad' guy, but Dude has always been on the ARROGANT side of things. Might be his Mississippi Mint-Julep upbringing.
I don't care if he knows about Franks or Trask or not, but jus-damn talking about them on the noon Gator radio show without a clue...
I don't care if he knows about Franks or Trask or not, but jus-damn talking about them on the noon Gator radio show without a clue...
Not at all in general. Mississippi, with a tiny state population, has the most 'Medal of Honor' winners. And of course they also have the legless LT. Dan to their credit.
--- Sorry, but Al-la-Bama gets the credit for Forrest Gump.
He better not if we lose 4 games again next year and he has a substandard recruiting class again. At least Zook recruited good and he only got 3 years. The East means squat.
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