"Whose side are you on, son?"
"Our side, sir."
"Don't you love your country?"
"Yes, sir."
"Then how about getting with the program?
Why don't you jump on the team and come
on in for the big win?"
Harsh Reality...
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"Whose side are you on, son?"
"Our side, sir."
"Don't you love your country?"
"Yes, sir."
"Then how about getting with the program?
Why don't you jump on the team and come
on in for the big win?"
You can't ignore this fact but at the end of the day a lot of the things that Oozie is pointing out are troubling...although we have been a dumpster fire and with less talent....our schedule has been much easier. The big thing to me is...to be elite you need to have elite recruiting classes. We'll see how we finish in Feb.
I agree with pretty much all of this except for Collins...IMO he gets credit...yes he has great players but our defense has done well. For the most part I think that he's done a good job.
That's all good and I don't disagree about the man that Mac is but at the end of the day it's about winning. We aren't playing the kind of football that a winning program is going to play.
I won't bore you with how many players FSU lost after the 2014 season. I'll just say that in many ways FSU overachieved last year. Remember allegedly you guys were a top 10 ranked team with one loss when you got handled last year if you're going for the "we sucked anyways" defense.
I was not going for that. I was pointing out that the signature wins for FSU the past two years have been against Florida. This with several top five recruiting years.
I seem to remember you coming over here this time last year proclaiming the same thing.
"Your best accomplishment is beating us and we suck" is some of the worst smack talk I've heard.
I was getting on board with Collins, but what good offenses have we shut down? Ole Miss last year is the only one I can think of. We did hang in there with FSU and bama last year until imploding from complete absence of offense.
We both know that Florida was nowhere near a top 10 team. Damn the rankings. Gators were 1-4 against ranked teams. The one win was vs Ole Miss and Grier, who wasn't on the team in November, went 24-29 271yds 4TDs and we had a +4 turnover margin. We started Treon against you.
Don't come over here sticking your chest out like beating Florida is a big deal. We suck. Our coaches suck. Our roster sucks. Our recruiting sucks and our outlook for the future sucks. Our win loss record is a mirage.
Remember a few years ago? When the semis were a perennial 7-6 team and the Gators were playing for championships? When you got your annual skull stomping in November? Think on that and realize that we enjoyed beating you but it was no great accomplishment. Realize that what comes around goes around. And it won't be like this forever.
Most of the games that we've lost is becasue our offense can't stay on the field and we don't score points. Very few of our losses we've just been straight blown out. If you want to beat good teams you've got to score 24-30 points usually...we don't do that most of the time.
I agree to a point. But take Arkansas and FSU this year. Guys are just running loose all over the field. We give up huge plays to good offenses way too frequently.
like i've been saying, if you don't blitz, ever even when you could almost every other snap with our back end... you might as well be coaching at a high school level. Last night was the end for me and I saw it coming a mile away. Both coordinators are awful because the coach is awful. We are screwed each day they keep all of them here and It's impossible for me to care anymore, no hope, no care. Florida is just an average at best team for years and years and it will get worse to where Muschamps first year is what our seasons will look like on the regular. The offense is not gonna get any better because the coaches don't have a clue what they are doing. We have hired a failure yet again and an even worse surrounding staff calling the plays than before on both sides of the ball. Last night was inexcusable, Wake forest level bad and even worse than them.
I won't post the 2017 projected roster again, but some here are just plain FoS about what the team will look like, even before the next recruiting class arrives.
Zook zero titles, Muschamp zero titles, McElwain 2 SECe titles.
Yep, exactly the same alright...
Zook zero titles, Muschamp zero titles, McElwain 2 SECe titles.
Yep, exactly the same alright...
we have nfl players all over the place on the back end and are sitting back in a god damn zone every snap of the game like Mel Tucker in Chicago with the Bears. It's absolutely inexcusable and dispicable. If you have both safeties out along with both linebackers and you are in a 5-3 and 3 man stack then you already have them up there, BLITZ more and you will be risking nothing.
Playing slow motion prevent is exactly what that moron did last night, they had a 2nd and 12 and I called EXACTLY what would happen as soon as the knees hit the ground on that 2nd down play. Auto run down bring no pressure give up at least 6-8 on the run to make a manageable third down for the millionth time in a row, do the same thing on 3rd down leaving the QB standing for 5 seconds to wait for the crossing routes to clear out with no help back there and it will be a big play, the only thing I wasn't spot on about was it going for a TD, which in the end just further illustrated how right I was. EVeryone that watches football games gets mad at me when I get mad 3 plays in advance after a good play because they don't understand I see what's coming 2 and 3 plays in advance... and most times 2 possessions in advance after seeing what other teams coaches see with our mismatches created by ZERO pressure, blitzes or adjustments. We have probably the lowest level x's and o's mentality of all the big football schools in the conference and we will continue to get the shit kicked out of us against any decent team until they are BOTH out of Gainesville.
I will not support what im watching proceed to happen, im just a young 30 year old coach looking to move up in the chain and will be forced to start as a HC at the high school level to make my way, if im seeing more than coaches at this level are when I never watch a single practice or hours of film like they are paid to do...
and im watching from one angle on just tv where you can't hardly see anything example coaches calls on the sidelines, subs any of that... then they are very shitty at what they get paid to do for a living. I'd absolutely shut that offense down worse than these teams even do from watching all of UF's games if I were a DC. I'd have the QB on his ass so many times he'd want to come out after throwing his 3rd interception. I'd come right up the middle on EVERY 2nd down no matter the distance to the chains to knock one of the RB's helmets off for the delayed draw and that counter play...
and I'd do what Belichek does on every 3rd down and jump the short chain routes because you know they would never throw it any further than that, id' even risk getting hit up top because I know from the personnel that connecting on a deep ball is damn near impossible with an over throw. I'd play man bump every down with a shallow cover 2 and put my defense in a variation of a 3-4 with two LB's creeping and standing near the LOS every snap like Strong used to do with Cunningham and Spikes coming right off their ass while sending earl everrett and siler through the middle and mixing that with dropping into coverage on the 3rd downs and have them throwing so many picks or near ones from it.
and insta stop using the "sec title appearances" as some silver lining excuse for this bs staff, Muschamp would have probably gone both years too in year 5 and with better defenses and a better QB to offset his prior failures. He was already doing it with a 17 year old kid while he could have had the Heisman playing here right now. At this point it's sad to think we would be doing better with him because this OC and DC are THAT BAD at Florida for us right now. That DC is almost as bad as Nuss is and that is very, very hard to do... and it's happening. Any clutz can sit in zone in a base defense, but he is doing it with NFL talent all over the place. It's flat out pathetic is what it is, ive been more angry watching the defense than I have in years during two games this year, the Vandy game and the one last night. I could have ripped a f'ing hole through a wall watching them sit back and lose on PURPOSE.. We look like every big 12 team "scheme" wise on defense. Minister of mayhem my ass, master of disaster of a once great prideful defense is what it is. WE look like the fall of the blackshirts defense letting a soft ACC team run at will against us with a predictable pro style playbook and ZERO blocking against anyone else they have played. What a joke
You and musclecramp would probably just chit and fall back in it.
In year 5, instead of in years 1 & 2 following his dumpster fire? FoS alright.
Musclecramp had the #8 D in is 4th year. Everyone predicted a huge dropoff.
McElwain had the #8 D in his 1st year. Everone again predicted a huge dropoff.
McElwain had the #5 D last week, I haven't looked today to see where it is, but BS on you yet again.
Musclecramp & Roper got their heads handed to them by Mc-Nuss, UF 20 - 7 SCa.
And I've got the rest of your probablies swinging...
Pathetic is fans like you even claiming to be Gators.
I'm calling BS on you an the false-flag Michi.
In year 5, instead of in years 1 & 2 following his dumpster fire? FoS alright.
Musclecramp had the #8 D in is 4th year. Everyone predicted a huge dropoff.
McElwain had the #8 D in his 1st year. Everone again predicted a huge dropoff.
McElwain had the #5 D last week, I haven't looked today to see where it is, but BS on you yet again.
Musclecramp & Roper got their heads handed to them by Mc-Nuss, UF 20 - 7 SCa.
And I've got the rest of your probablies swinging...
Pathetic is fans like you even claiming to be Gators.
I'm calling BS on you an the false-flag Michi.
The DB's are NFL players and will be drafted high because of it... you are just making my point
Hell, we started 5 freshman on defense Saturday due to injuries, and 3 freshman started on the o-line Saturday, and quickly went to 4 when Ivey went out. But you are right, if LDR is the starter next season that means another 2 years at least without a solid qb.
For me it's not what happened this past Saturday, but what happened at Arky a few weeks ago. They dominated us more so than the nolies did, and Arky has been getting killed recently. That told me that Mac is not the guy to get us back to contending for titles.
Well yea and he gets full credit for winning those division titles. But it's only one data point in his entire body of work. Meyer only won 3 division titles in 6 years, Mac has won 2 division titles in two years. So if that is the end all be all the only logical conclusion is that Mac> Meyer, right? Think past surface level.
Here is how I am afraid this thing will play out, next year 7-5 which then buys him a 4th season, and then 5-7 and we fire him, putting us 2 more years out before we can compete. Looking at how this class is shaping up is scary.
It's a possibility I guess. We'll all know more by the end of February. If this class isn't a homerun we're in trouble.
Our defenses have become very vanilla lately. I think since we lost both starting LB'ers.
My God, hopefully 7-5 doesn't buy him a 4th year. If so, we are looking at least 2020 or maybe longer till we fix this. This should be done after next year
The SEC East titles are an accomplishment. Significant accomplishment. Gators fans rightfully expect more. If he cannot do better, then he will be gone.
You all would be wise to lock Mc up long term.I won't post the 2017 projected roster again, but some here are just plain FoS about what the team will look like, even before the next recruiting class arrives.
Zook zero titles, Muschamp zero titles, McElwain 2 SECe titles.
Yep, exactly the same alright...
The two b2b SECe titles should keep Mac through year 4 unless year 3 is similar to 2013. Even then Muschamp got a mulligan and stayed an additional season. With the SECe being so bad it is a race for least worse team. Looking at the schedule UF should still finish with at least 7 wins. LSU, aTm, Tenn, Vandy all at home. The 'easier' division games on the road, USCe/KY. The toughest games are at a neutral site, Mich, and at home, FSU. I see Mac hanging around for at least four years, imo.
Defense had no excuse fatigue wise against Tenn or FSU as both teams ran about the same number of plays throughout the game and even Arkansas handled them some prior to that being an issue. They are the strong point of the team but not elite like some of our past defenses imo.
Please no - 3 straight 4 loss seasons should never be acceptable at UF especially if the recruiting isnt up to par.
Shows how far we have fallen that we accept 3-4 loss seasons, and heap praise on SECe titles won almost by default.
Point of this thread IMO is that if Mac was "the guy" we would already know it by now. We would already see an offense lighting it up, at least some times, no matter the QB.
And let us not forget that some guys here where pointing to the signs of where we are now quite early in Mac's tenure based on the recruiting, Yes, balanced class, but last year's class should have been the big one, top 5 minimum, full of 4 and 5 star skill position players, some big steals on in state prospects, etc. Didn't happen. Not a bad class, but not the "bump" he should have gotten.
It is a confluence of events...
....the talent is there, but not evenly spread. The O line is young and learning.
....it takes an elite QB to find and hit a receiver in 2 seconds (and that's the time he has)
....the running game does not make a team respect the run (and thus play action)
....counters to a strong rush (screens, quick outs and crosses) were not successful or seldom called.
....the scheme must be reviewed and updated...even FCS teams (or Wake Forest) do not go two years against FSU without an offensive TD...
....the talent is there, but not evenly spread. The O line is young and learning.
....it takes an elite QB to find and hit a receiver in 2 seconds (and that's the time he has)
....the running game does not make a team respect the run (and thus play action)
....counters to a strong rush (screens, quick outs and crosses) were not successful or seldom called.
....the scheme must be reviewed and updated...even FCS teams (or Wake Forest) do not go two years against FSU without an offensive TD...
Two things are absolute truths...
1. Mac is not the right guy.
2. He isn't going anywhere for a long time.
Anybody who thinks fan bitching and moaning is going to result in Mac being replaced "quickly" or "soon" is being emotionally unrealistic.
This is a worst case scenario...it's Muachamp with limited success (SEC E Titles). We're in this for the long haul folks.
1. Mac is not the right guy.
2. He isn't going anywhere for a long time.
Anybody who thinks fan bitching and moaning is going to result in Mac being replaced "quickly" or "soon" is being emotionally unrealistic.
This is a worst case scenario...it's Muachamp with limited success (SEC E Titles). We're in this for the long haul folks.
Your defense is risk-reward type. You really press the line of scrimmage even with the CBs, but you leave yourself vulnerable to the big play. Most offenses crumble with your attacking style, but with a decent offense you get gashed for big yards. Your DC needs to learn when to press and when not to.
Offensively, you OL needs a lot of improvement. Believe me, our OL has held us back for a few years and is the weakest unit on the team.
Enough said about the QB, but you need a gunslinger type player who can take over a game. I don't understand why you can't get a QB somewhat like the LSU situation.
I just don't see the playmakers on offense. You need a major upgrade at QB, RB, WR and TE. Your RBs are good, but don't scare anyone.
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