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Carry over to Gator 2023-24 Basketball :-)

I’m cautiously optimistic that Golden can coach. Our roster last year was terrible, particularly after Castleton went down. And he still finished .500 in the SEC. I bitched about Golden quite a bit but never felt like we made a mistake moving on from White. My biggest thing with Golden is whether he can recruit at all. Last few weeks have been positive on that front, so I’ll be interested to see what he can do next year.
 
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So In Review (that none here wants to see) for the 2022-23 B-Ball Season:

UF 2021-22 - 20-14, 9-9 SEC -- Home 13-5, Away 4-7, Neu 3-2
One & Done SEC-T in OT
1-1 NIT, beat Iona, lost @ Cincinnati to Xavier 72 - 56 UF (-14)

UF 2022-23 - 16-17, 9-9 SEC -- Home 10-6, Away 4-7, Neu 2-4
One & Done SEC-T
One & Done NIT, lost @ home to UCF 67 - 49 UF (-18)
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Mike took over Billy's last losing season 16-17 team and went 21-15 and the NIT Quarter Final, all away games.

Todd took over Mike's last winning 20-14 team, had a losing season, went 16-17 and 1 & Done @ home NIT

Mike never had a losing season, made a Tourney every year, and he never went 1 & Done in NCAA or NIT.
But no matter, haters still gonna hate..... 🙄
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UGly 2021-22 - 6-26, 1-17 SEC -- Home 6-13, Away 0-10, Neu 0-3
After years of losing seasons, coach fired and Mike White hired.

UGA 2022-23 - 16-16, 6-12 SEC -- Home 13-4, Away 1-10, Neu 2-2
One & Done SEC-T

They had as many SEC wins as they had total wins the year before Mike arrived....

IF Mike makes the NCAA next season,,, and Todd doesn't, then what???
Didn't realize that Golden had the same conference record as White did in his final season. Interesting. White is a good guy and had 7 years to do something. He took over what had become a blue blood and couldn't capitalize. Golden has taken over a program with no championships of any kind for the past 8 years. Moving on from White was the right thing to do, time will tell if hiring Golden to replace was the right thing to do. Jury still out.
 
Didn't realize that Golden had the same conference record as White did in his final season. Interesting. White is a good guy and had 7 years to do something. He took over what had become a blue blood and couldn't capitalize. Golden has taken over a program with no championships of any kind for the past 8 years. Moving on from White was the right thing to do, time will tell if hiring Golden to replace was the right thing to do. Jury still out.
Agree with this. I probably would have looked to replace White with someone more experienced. It seems like the Gators are always looking for the next Billy the kid with all these young guys, and there is no next Billy the kid. White actually recruited remarkably well. He just couldn’t do anything with them.
 
Todd's 16-17 was the Gator first losing season,,, since BillyD's last 16-17 losing season.
Under White, ZERO losing seasons for 8 consecutive years.
Made a Tourney every year.
His Elite-8 in his 2nd season gives Todd something to shoot for in 2023-24.
Never went One & Done in the NIT or the NCAA.

I was tired of the constant whining about Mike, and I suggested that he should leave instead of putting up with the new and devolved Socialist-U and some of their always 'entitled' fans.
I was slightly surprised when he did so, but it was a good move for him.

I agree that it's yet to be seen if it (Mike out, Todd in) was a good move for the Gators, but it was damn sure a great move for the mutts to hire him....
UGly 2021-22 - 6-26, 1-17 SEC -- Home 6-13, Away 0-10, Neu 0-3
UGA 2022-23 - 16-16, 6-12 SEC --
Home 13-4, Away 1-10, Neu 2-2
And he did way more with way less, than Tood did in their 1st years in a new job.


With the recruits and all of the xfers that Todd brought in last season, we all thought that he'd at least make the NCAA, not go One & Done at home in the NIT, and ending with a losing season....

JMOHO's but White had terrible luck with his Bigs getting injured, a long list of them....
And then he had what no other Gator B-Ball coach has ever had to try to deal with, a multi year woke campus SCAMDEMIC.

I've moved on now, can't relive the past, and that's a fact....
And I'm hoping that Todd beats the leghumpers every year, no matter who their coach is!
 
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Mike White sucked. Simple as that. Can’t sugar coat it. He had 7 years and could never muster up a good offense or develop much of anybody. And for being a young coach he never improved his coaching from year 1 to year 7. He was still the same coach. Billy D for example developed and improved as a coach as he gained more experience.
 
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Something weird happened with Mike White’s approach. That year when we hung in there with the Duke team with Tatum in the Bahamas, the ball was flying around and we were hitting threes from all over the place. Then somewhere along the line he fell in love with limiting possessions and winning with defense. Nembhard is an all NBA rookie player this year and White would have him dribbling with his back to the basket for 25 seconds. It was bizarre.
 
Todd's 16-17 was the Gator first losing season,,, since BillyD's last 16-17 losing season.
Under White, ZERO losing seasons for 8 consecutive years.
Made a Tourney every year.
His Elite-8 in his 2nd season gives Todd something to shoot for in 2023-24.
Never went One & Done in the NIT or the NCAA.

I was tired of the constant whining about Mike, and I suggested that he should leave instead of putting up with the new and devolved Socialist-U and some of their always 'entitled' fans.
I was slightly surprised when he did so, but it was a good move for him.

I agree that it's yet to be seen if it (Mike out, Todd in) was a good move for the Gators, but it was damn sure a great move for the mutts to hire him....
UGly 2021-22 - 6-26, 1-17 SEC -- Home 6-13, Away 0-10, Neu 0-3
UGA 2022-23 - 16-16, 6-12 SEC --
Home 13-4, Away 1-10, Neu 2-2
And he did way more with way less, than Tood did in their 1st years in a new job.


With the recruits and all of the xfers that Todd brought in last season, we all thought that he'd at least make the NCAA, not go One & Done at home in the NIT, and ending with a losing season....

JMOHO's but White had terrible luck with his Bigs getting injured, a long list of them....
And then he had what no other Gator B-Ball coach has ever had to try to deal with, a multi year woke campus SCAMDEMIC.

I've moved on now, can't relive the past, and that's a fact....
And I'm hoping that Todd beats the leghumpers every year, no matter who their coach is!
So far so good as Golden is 2-0 vs White!! White did have some injuries no doubt, all teams do, just like Golden this year. White had 7 years and he had regressed after year 2. Hopeful Golden works out just like I was hopeful White would.
 
Something weird happened with Mike White’s approach. That year when we hung in there with the Duke team with Tatum in the Bahamas, the ball was flying around and we were hitting threes from all over the place. Then somewhere along the line he fell in love with limiting possessions and winning with defense. Nembhard is an all NBA rookie player this year and White would have him dribbling with his back to the basket for 25 seconds. It was bizarre.
Big reason why Nembhard left. He wanted more up-tempo. No clue why White put the brakes on the offense, but he most certainly did.
 
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I'm sure that Fr Tre Mann arriving had nothing to do with Soph Nembo bolting.

From the 2020-21 Mann's Roster Bio:
> Averaged 10.2 points and 3.6 rebounds in 53 games and 28 starts over his two seasons at Florida.
> He Increased his scoring averaged by 10.7 points per game from his freshman to his sophomore season, the largest single-season jump by a Gator over the past 25 years, topping Joakim Noah’s 2005-06 10.6-point scoring increase in his sophomore season (2005-06).
> Combo guard with range and the ability to facilitate.
> A 2019 McDonald’s All-American, rated a five-star prospect by 247Sports and a four-star by ESPN.

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Soph season to Soph season, so apples to apples for comparison.
Both were 5-star recruits.

Nemb - 31 GP --- 33.3 Min/Gm - FG 44.1%, 3's 30.8%, FT's 77.5%, Pts 11.2
2019-20 - Rb's 2.9, PF 3.5, Ast 5.5, TO 5.0, Stl 2.5 -- Blk 4,
Nembhard was selected with the 31st overall pick by the Indiana Pacers

Mann - 24 GP --- 32.4 Min/Gm - FG 45.9%, 3's 34.9%, FT's 83.1%, Pts 16.0
2020-21
- Rb's 3.6, PF 4.6, Ast 1.9, TO 4.2, Stl 2.1 -- Blk 5,
Mann was selected with the 18th pick in the 2021 NBA draft by the Oklahoma City
Thunder.
 
I'm sure that Fr Tre Mann arriving had nothing to do with Soph Nembo bolting.

From the 2020-21 Mann's Roster Bio:
> Averaged 10.2 points and 3.6 rebounds in 53 games and 28 starts over his two seasons at Florida.
> He Increased his scoring averaged by 10.7 points per game from his freshman to his sophomore season, the largest single-season jump by a Gator over the past 25 years, topping Joakim Noah’s 2005-06 10.6-point scoring increase in his sophomore season (2005-06).
> Combo guard with range and the ability to facilitate.
> A 2019 McDonald’s All-American, rated a five-star prospect by 247Sports and a four-star by ESPN.

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Both were 5-star recruits.

Nemb - 31 GP --- 33.3 Min/Gm - FG 44.1%, 3's 30.8%, FT's 77.5%, Pts 11.2
2019-20 - Rb's 2.9, PF 3.5, Ast 5.5, TO 5.0, Stl 2.5 -- Blk 4,
Nembhard was selected with the 31st overall pick by the Indiana Pacers

Mann - 24 GP --- 32.4 Min/Gm - FG 45.9%, 3's 34.9%, FT's 83.1%, Pts 16.0
2020-21
- Rb's 3.6, PF 4.6, Ast 1.9, TO 4.2, Stl 2.1 -- Blk 5,
Mann was selected with the 18th pick in the 2021 NBA draft by the Oklahoma City
Thunder.
Why would that scare him off? Are you saying that White mishandled the situation?
 
I don't think Nembhard was "scared" off. He just saw a chance to maximize his potential at Gonzaga. And he was right. Got to play for a national championship and is now in the NBA.
 
Nembhard left because our offensive philosophy and system wasn’t good and it wasn’t showcasing his strengths as a player. So he went somewhere that could give him that opportunity. He obviously wasn’t used properly here at UF.
 
It’s no doubt CMW could recruit at a high level. It’s just baffling how he used them when they got here.
 
I don't think Nembhard was "scared" off. He just saw a chance to maximize his potential at Gonzaga. And he was right. Got to play for a national championship and is now in the NBA.
That was my point. Worked out great for Nembhard. Happy for the young man.
 
Why would that scare him off? Are you saying that White mishandled the situation?
I don't think Nembhard was "scared" off. He just saw a chance to maximize his potential at Gonzaga. And he was right. Got to play for a national championship and is now in the NBA.
Mann Increased his scoring averaged by 10.7 points per game from his freshman to his sophomore season, the largest single-season jump by a Gator over the past 25 years, topping Joakim Noah’s 2005-06 10.6-point scoring increase in his sophomore season (2005-06).

Nembhard was selected with the 31st pick.

Mann was selected with the 18th pick.

The FACTS are what they are, for anyone to see,,, if they chose to.
While anyone and everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and speculate on what anything means....
 
Mann Increased his scoring averaged by 10.7 points per game from his freshman to his sophomore season, the largest single-season jump by a Gator over the past 25 years, topping Joakim Noah’s 2005-06 10.6-point scoring increase in his sophomore season (2005-06).

Nembhard was selected with the 31st pick.

Mann was selected with the 18th pick.

The FACTS are what they are, for anyone to see,,, if they chose to.
While anyone and everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and speculate on what anything means....
I want to make sure I understand..Nembhard left Florida, where he started 31 of 31 games the previous season and averaged over 33 minutes per game, and transferred to Gonzaga where he only started 16 of 33 games due to the Zags already being loaded at guard, because he was afraid of getting benched in favor of Tre Mann? Just want to make sure this is what you are suggesting.
 
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Elite-8 MW, never a losing season, always in a post season Tourney, never a One & Done in a tourney (only UF coach to ever do so) can't coach a lick, doesn't know offense, and will never be a good HC....
Just making sure that is what you are suggesting.... 🙄
 
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Elite-8 MW, never a losing season, always in a post season Tourney, never a One & Done in a tourney (only UF coach to ever do so) can't coach a lick, doesn't know offense, and will never be a good HC....
Just making sure that is what you are suggesting.... 🙄
Dodging the question, but I will answer yours. Yes, Mike White was average most of the time..7 years and never sniffed a championship of any kind. Guy brought some solid talent to Florida, but with the exception of year 2 could not get them into championship contention...and I am talking about SEC not even ncaa.
 
And as I've said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and speculations, and that's all you have on this subject, which your are welcome too....

I believe that I'm seeing the big picture, while others here have their own biased tunnel vision.
We can just agree to disagree and move on. i'm not going into yet another fruitless back-biting waste of time on this...

BillyD is long gone.
Mike White is gone.
You've got the Golden boy now, so live with it and deal with it.
No previous HC's are here or responsible for today or for tomorrow....
 
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Mann Increased his scoring averaged by 10.7 points per game from his freshman to his sophomore season, the largest single-season jump by a Gator over the past 25 years, topping Joakim Noah’s 2005-06 10.6-point scoring increase in his sophomore season (2005-06).

Nembhard was selected with the 31st pick.

Mann was selected with the 18th pick.

The FACTS are what they are, for anyone to see,,, if they chose to.
While anyone and everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and speculate on what anything means....
Mann averaged 5 points a game his freshman year. Lol.
 
I recommended to Mike White (on this board) that he leave UF.
I'm glad for him that he did so. Socialist-U with their entitled fans didn't deserve him.
End of that story.

But just for fun, I'm a nobody, you B-Ball genius types should really be going after the professional's....

From an article inn SDS:

The 2020-21 season has been tough on everyone, but the Florida Gators have been hit harder than most. Yes, everyone is dealing with COVID-related postponements, cancellations and disruptions, but Florida players and coaches had to watch SEC Preseason Player of the Year Keyontae Johnson collapse on the court against Florida State. Without a player of Johnson’s caliber on the court, the Gators have struggled.

Scottie Lewis missed the Ole Miss and Mississippi State games (and will miss Tuesday’s game against Tennessee) due to COVID protocols. And on and own it goes....
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SEC Coach of the Year 2016-17

After Florida’s demolition of South Carolina on Tuesday, the Gators are outscoring SEC opponents by just more than 0.18 points per possession, the top mark in the conference. (Rock solid proof that MW has a clueless offense) Kentucky is second in that category, topping foes by just more than 0.16 points per possession. And Florida destroyed Kentucky by 22 points in their only meeting to date far.

Florida and Kentucky stand well apart from the rest of the conference in this regard: The Gators and Wildcats are the only two teams in the league in the top three in both adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency, and no other SEC team is outscoring conference foes by more than the 0.06 points per possession that South Carolina is mustering with its combination of suffocating defense and sputtering offense.

John Calipari’s Wildcats, who started five players ranked in the top 15 of the Recruiting Services Consensus Indices of 2015 and 2016. Florida has one such consensus top-15 player — Kasey Hill, now playing his senior season in Gainesville by virtue of lacking the NBA-ready talents many of those Kentucky starters have — and another consensus top-20 player in Devin Robinson, but is largely relying on players who were on the fringe of (Chris Chiozza ranked No. 49 in 2014) or outside (Allen was No. 64 in 2015, Egbunu No. 60 in 2013) the national top 50 at best.

This year’s Florida team, in fact, is very slightly more efficient in SEC play than last year’s Wildcats were — and that Kentucky team had two first-round picks, something Florida will assuredly not have.
Florida and Kentucky, in other words, are not just the only contenders for the SEC championship left standing after 15 rounds — they are also clearly the SEC’s two best teams.

In this year’s SEC, no teams have done more or better than Florida and Kentucky. And Florida is doing more with less, something Kentucky never even has to consider doing. And Florida did better than Kentucky when they met.


And so, barring a truly unforeseen swoon, Mike White will be the SEC Coach of the Year.
>>> Making him the ONLY HC in UF history to win CoY in 3 different conferences.... what a bum...



BillyD's gone, (and he left this 'entitled fans' place twice)....
Mike White is gone.
Neither will ever come back for any reason or under any circumstances imoho.

Time for all of us to move on and enjoy life with the San Fran 16-17 Golden boy.... 😉
 
BillyD's last season = 16-17 LOSER
Todd's first season = 16-17 LOSER
Mike White never had a losing season, but I'm glad he's gone now anyway.
(and I'm betting that Mike's a lot happier now days too)

Everyone else should be happy and thrilled that they've got exactly what they wanted, and more importantly, what they deserved... 😜

But I guess that haters gonna hate, long after the subject of their hate has chosen to leave on his on and he's become an unemployed loser that will never coach again.... 😉

Only question that remains imo, is how long will the haters try to hang on to the last coach as a crutch and an excuse for being right where they wanted to be??? Seems a bit silly to me..... 😕
 
BillyD's last season = 16-17 LOSER
How convenient you repeatedly bring up Donovan's last season at UF. You totally fail to mention he lost all four of his seniors that did no worse than 4 Elite Eight appearances. Donovan also struggled after he lost 4 juniors to the draft in 2007 along with seniors Lee Humphrey and Chris Richard. But yeah, keep making excuses for Mike White.
 
And feveredbrains, why would you care about what any UGly coach does, I certainly don't.... 🙄
 
How's that little girl doing now with a quality man to look up to, instead of you?
A lot better I'm betting.... 😜
 
How's that little girl doing now with a quality man to look up to, instead of you?
A lot better I'm betting.... 😜

Classic you.

Never change.

I mean that, because you've been 65 for 20 years.

And when I say I do t care, I mean it. You, on the other hand, can't let anything go 🤪
 
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Dunnygoater, the only way I even see your postings for the last few years is if some one of your butt-buddies like Cg1 tag you in a response to one of my posts. I've had you on ignore, so if you are not commenting on me, I never see you. You two should both have me on ignore. Instead, you have your hands in each other's pockets while attempting to blame me for your own action.

I guess those not brain dead will understand which of us can't let go of the other.... 🙄
 
Dunnygoater, the only way I even see your postings for the last few years is if some one of your butt-buddies like Cg1 tag you in a response to one of my posts. I've had you on ignore, so if you are not commenting on me, I never see you. You two should both have me on ignore. Instead, you have your hands in each other's pockets while attempting to blame me for your own action.

I guess those not brain dead will understand which of us can't let go of the other.... 🙄
You have him on ignore…. But respond to
his comments, make snide comments about his daughter, and generally give far more attention to him whenever he posts

You fail at ignore, buddy

And based upon your continued conversation in this thread you started, and then renamed as “nm” in a pique of basketball unhappiness- you obviously don’t really mean “nm” either

I think whomever proscribes your psychotherapy drugs needs a kick to the crotch
 
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Truly, what kind of person is so impacted by a disagreement about sports that they lash out at someone’s family? Doesn’t reflect well on you, Insta’. You should probably do some soul searching.
 
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