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I didn’t see the quote but maybe what BSC was talking about is that wealthy individuals take out loans so that their interest payments offset their income so they can show almost no positive income for tax purposes. This is why people like me and you pay more in taxes then they do.

Instead of paying taxes, they get a huge lump sum loan to invest and as long as those dollars earn more than the interest payments then their net-worth increases without ever having to show revenue for tax purposes.

So in affect, you and I (as well as BSC) do show more income to the IRS then Trump (and any other stupid rich person) since we cannot get those types of loans as we do not have the assets to do so.

This is part of the reason that Trump does not want to show his tax returns…this and the fact that he inflates/deflates the value of his buildings depending on when it is in his best interest to do so (which is highly illegal.)

Kappy77
Eesh. Welcome to 2020. I like how Peter Thiel rolls better. No loans to pay back. This is not our first rodeo cowboy. @Sunburnt Indian Sunny, want to clue him in?? 🤣
 
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Ha ha, fair enough and again didnt see the original posts but that would show more income….
 
Understand what you are saying but this tells essentially the same story just goes about it a different way…

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html
It's behind a paywall. I wouldn't give that rag one red cent. Elon Musk just sold billions of dollars worth of Tesla just to shove his foot up Elizabeth Warren's ass. He doesn't care about paying taxes. Reminds of that old movie with Richard Pryor, "Brewster's Millions". 🤣
 
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Try this link….

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Also, apparently Elon Musk sold those shares because of this:

The real reason is because Musk is just months out from a deadline to exercise the stock options he received years ago. If he doesn't use them, he loses them. And if he does exercise his shares, he's going to face a monster tax bill between nearly $11 billion to as much as $16 billion at current share prices.

Once he exercises, however, those shares would be treated as regular income subject to income tax, said Mark Luscombe, principal federal tax analyst for Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting.
In most cases, options like these, which are based on hitting performance numbers, are taxable not as income but instead at the lower capital gains rate. But Musk would face the income tax rate because of a special rule: He owns more than 10% of Tesla's total shares.

They all care about paying Taxes!
 
I honestly don't remember him saying that. Liars just aren't very memorable.
I remember him making that statement multiple times going back at least several months if not longer. I always considered it an unverifiable and improbable claim, so I just assumed it’s another avenue for him to troll; hence I never bothered to challenge him on it.
 
I didn’t see the quote but maybe what BSC was talking about is that wealthy individuals take out loans so that their interest payments offset their income so they can show almost no positive income for tax purposes. This is why people like me and you pay more in taxes then they do.

Instead of paying taxes, they get a huge lump sum loan to invest and as long as those dollars earn more than the interest payments then their net-worth increases without ever having to show revenue for tax purposes.

So in affect, you and I (as well as BSC) do show more income to the IRS then Trump (and any other stupid rich person) since we cannot get those types of loans as we do not have the assets to do so.

This is part of the reason that Trump does not want to show his tax returns…this and the fact that he inflates/deflates the value of his buildings depending on when it is in his best interest to do so (which is highly illegal.)

Kappy77
Exactly. Too bad these financially unsophisticated rubes don’t understand the difference between wealth and income.

It’s even a bigger difference for real estate investors. They don’t have to report their realized gains as long as they roll it over into another property. So they get to take all of the deductions while recognizing none of the gains. That’s why Trump never reports any income.

The game is rigged against people who have earned income.
 
I remember him making that statement multiple times going back at least several months if not longer. I always considered it an unverifiable and improbable claim, so I just assumed it’s another avenue for him to troll; hence I never bothered to challenge him on it.
I tend to ignore most of what he says here, cause everyone knows he's an awful troll. I mean he started a new troll thread this morning and it bombed on launch so badly that he's begging for replies. I swear we have the dumbest trolls on the internet.
 
Exactly. Too bad these financially unsophisticated rubes don’t understand the difference between wealth and income.

That's okay I guess, since the Socialist Rat politicians and their IRS, don't seem to know the difference between taxable income and un-taxable working sovereign citizen's wages....
 
Try this link….

NY Times Link-Share

Also, apparently Elon Musk sold those shares because of this:

The real reason is because Musk is just months out from a deadline to exercise the stock options he received years ago. If he doesn't use them, he loses them. And if he does exercise his shares, he's going to face a monster tax bill between nearly $11 billion to as much as $16 billion at current share prices.

Once he exercises, however, those shares would be treated as regular income subject to income tax, said Mark Luscombe, principal federal tax analyst for Wolters Kluwer Tax & Accounting.
In most cases, options like these, which are based on hitting performance numbers, are taxable not as income but instead at the lower capital gains rate. But Musk would face the income tax rate because of a special rule: He owns more than 10% of Tesla's total shares.

They all care about paying Taxes!
Yeah that was when Sen Warren made a fool out of herself and said he needed to pay more taxes, then called her Sen Karen and said he had just paid $11 Billion in taxes, a record amount for any American.

Good stuff, thanks for reminding me of Pocahontas getting embarrassed.
 
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Yeah that was when Sen Warren made a fool out of herself and said he needed to pay more taxes, then called her Sen Karen and said he had just paid $11 Billion in taxes, a record amount for any American.

Good stuff, thanks for reminding me of Pocahontas getting embarrassed.
You don’t think it is convenient that he decides to start paying taxes now once they start talking about a wealth tax? Or maybe he might be scared he will owe more if they pass said tax? Look at what he paid in the past..

According to a ProPublica investigation published in June, Musk has paid little or no income tax in recent years. Between 2014 and 2018, the eccentric billionaire paid a total of $455 million in federal income taxes even as his personal wealth rose by more than $13 billion. In 2018, Musk paid no income taxes at all, according to the report.

why do you want to defend rich people paying no taxes? Forget Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative.. how about we all just stop paying more than someone who makes more in a year than we do in a lifetime?
 
He just paid $11 Billion in taxes.
He hasn’t paid anything yet..plus it still didn’t fix the code itself which allows the majority of the 1% to skip out.

let’s at least align on fixing this and put our swords down long enough to get this one item done for the betterment of all.
 
He hasn’t paid anything yet..plus it still didn’t fix the code itself which allows the majority of the 1% to skip out.
You understand you're talking about 99% of the politicians in DC and 100% of your dems, right?

Let's start with figuring out how politicians can make $100k a year and yet are worth $10-100 Million. I find it fascinating for all the talk from the left about making sure that the 'rich pay their fair share', you guys never say a word about your politicians having far more wealth than a $100k a year salary allows for.
 
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You don’t think it is convenient that he decides to start paying taxes now once they start talking about a wealth tax? Or maybe he might be scared he will owe more if they pass said tax? Look at what he paid in the past..

According to a ProPublica investigation published in June, Musk has paid little or no income tax in recent years. Between 2014 and 2018, the eccentric billionaire paid a total of $455 million in federal income taxes even as his personal wealth rose by more than $13 billion. In 2018, Musk paid no income taxes at all, according to the report.

why do you want to defend rich people paying no taxes? Forget Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative.. how about we all just stop paying more than someone who makes more in a year than we do in a lifetime?

Some of those tax dodges are tied into incentives for the 1%'ers to do things that the Feds want them to do.

You can debate the merit of those incentives but it's complete nonsense to expect business leaders not to engage in behavior that the federal government is trying to incentivize them into.
 
Some of those tax dodges are tied into incentives for the 1%'ers to do things that the Feds want them to do.

You can debate the merit of those incentives but it's complete nonsense to expect business leaders not to engage in behavior that the federal government is trying to incentivize them into.
LOL. The Feds? You should have said the Lobbyists. They are the ones who set tax policy.
 
Who do Lobbyist's lobby? I'm pretty sure that was the (obvious) point.

#stupidonpurpose
*tardedonpurpose FIFY

For the most part, lobbyists do not set tax policy. (but when they do, it is bribery and it answers the question of how poor public servants leave office rich) . Congress does. Congress makes tax law based on desired public policy, dangling the carrot in front of our noses to precipitate certain financial behaviors and spending habits.

Every once in a while, a shrewd politician comes along and does the opposite, punishes bad behavior. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 helped reduce federal income taxes for millions of middle classed Americans. And the awesomeness of it was pure genius. They capped state and local tax deductions to 10k while doubling the standard deduction. It penalized the rich and especially the rich in Bluetard states who have crippling state and local and city taxes. Get woke, go broke! Was quite the coup! The Dimtards in those states are still howling like a wounded buffalo. 😍

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Who do Lobbyist's lobby? I'm pretty sure that was the (obvious) point.

#stupidonpurpose
Feds? I don’t even know what that means.

Who are these Feds of which you speak? FBI? CIA? NSA?

#needtobemorespecific


You’re making a circular argument. The oil industry (or real estate or whatever) lobbies their congressmen to give them tax breaks, who then passes a tax shelter which said oil company then taKes advantage of. So is it the “Feds” who want the tax break or the oil companies? These “Feds“ only care about raising funds to get re-elected.

Or like Trump told all of his buddies at Mar a Lago, “I just gave you all a big tax break.”
 
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Feds? I don’t even know what that means.

Who are these Feds of which you speak? FBI? CIA? NSA?

#needtobemorespecific


You’re making a circular argument. The oil industry (or real estate or whatever) lobbies their congressmen to give them tax breaks, who then passes a tax shelter which said oil company then taKes advantage of. So is it the “Feds” who want the tax break or the oil companies? These “Feds“ only care about raising funds to get re-elected.

Or like Trump told all of his buddies at Mar a Lago, “I just gave you all a big tax break.”

Feds = Federal Government...or Congress if you really needed that spelled out for you...which you absolutely did not. No one really thought I meant the FBI, CIA or the NSA. Not even you 😂.

I'm making the circular argument? You sure about that?

Read all this again starting with my post #298 where I said...

Some of those tax dodges are tied into incentives for the 1%'ers to do things that the Feds want them to do.

You can debate the merit of those incentives but it's complete nonsense to expect business leaders not to engage in behavior that the federal government is trying to incentivize them into.


Feel free to debate anything that I said...which may prove difficult as you said what I said...and then accused me of "circular logic." LO freaking L.

#stupidonpurpose
 
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Let's start with figuring out how politicians can make $100k a year and yet are worth $10-100 Million. I find it fascinating for all the talk from the left about making sure that the 'rich pay their fair share', you guys never say a word about your politicians having far more wealth than a $100k a year salary allows for.
Annnnnnnnd he's long gone. Works every time.
 
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Gassed wife's Jeep today at the former Stripes, now 7-11. Regular up another 4 cents to $ 2.89 over yesterday. Is Brandon's hitting the reserve playing out?

I didn't receive a 7% pay raise in 2021 nor do I expect one this year.
 
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Gassed wife's Jeep today at the former Stripes, now 7-11. Regular up another 4 cents to $ 2.89 over yesterday. Is Brandon's hitting the reserve playing out?

I didn't receive a 7% pay raise in 2021 nor do I expect one this year.
Sorry Sunny. But I'm not going to be able to explain to you how your raise doesn't even get your head above water in CFA's Roaring Brandon Economy. His sleight of hand .Gov charts, publications, and witchcraft will have to suffice. 🤣

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White House Helpless As Oil Prices Climb Higher​

Poor BScuck . Bless his heart.


When President Joe Biden announced plans to release up to 50 million barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve to lower retail fuel prices, many analysts warned that any effect this move would have would be short-lived. Indeed, prices dropped for a very short while and are now on the climb again, with the number of three-digit price forecasts growing.
 
Feds = Federal Government...or Congress if you really needed that spelled out for you...which you absolutely did not. No one really thought I meant the FBI, CIA or the NSA. Not even you 😂.

I'm making the circular argument? You sure about that?

Read all this again starting with my post #298 where I said...

Some of those tax dodges are tied into incentives for the 1%'ers to do things that the Feds want them to do.

You can debate the merit of those incentives but it's complete nonsense to expect business leaders not to engage in behavior that the federal government is trying to incentivize them into.


Feel free to debate anything that I said...which may prove difficult as you said what I said...and then accused me of "circular logic." LO freaking L.

#stupidonpurpose
Bro, shut up, he works in the gas industry or farming, or real estate, or cars…

**** it, I can’t keep track now 😂😂😂

He truly is the Dos Equis guy of the board 😂😂😂
 
Feds = Federal Government...or Congress if you really needed that spelled out for you...which you absolutely did not. No one really thought I meant the FBI, CIA or the NSA. Not even you 😂.

I'm making the circular argument? You sure about that?

Read all this again starting with my post #298 where I said...

Some of those tax dodges are tied into incentives for the 1%'ers to do things that the Feds want them to do.

You can debate the merit of those incentives but it's complete nonsense to expect business leaders not to engage in behavior that the federal government is trying to incentivize them into.


Feel free to debate anything that I said...which may prove difficult as you said what I said...and then accused me of "circular logic." LO freaking L.

#stupidonpurpose
Yes, I’m sure. as I explained, Congress only passes tax legislation that the lobbyists push. So the 1%ers/business leaders are taking advantage of incentives that they themself are pushing. Of course they are.

That’s why it’s a circular argument. Do I need to spell it out again?
 
Gassed wife's Jeep today at the former Stripes, now 7-11. Regular up another 4 cents to $ 2.89 over yesterday. Is Brandon's hitting the reserve playing out?

I didn't receive a 7% pay raise in 2021 nor do I expect one this year.
Dude, you claim you haven’t worked in decades. Why should you get a raise.

Just collect your government check that I help provide and quit your complaining.
 
Yes, I’m sure. as I explained, Congress only passes tax legislation that the lobbyists push. So the 1%ers/business leaders are taking advantage of incentives that they themself are pushing. Of course they are.

That’s why it’s a circular argument. Do I need to spell it out again?

Sometimes, perhaps most times, it's what the lobbyists push for. Sometimes it's a meddlesome fed (and not just congress this time) for things like research into renewable energy. Either way, what's your point?

Do you want to get rid of or heavily restrict lobbyists? I'm all for it. Good luck...with either side of the aisle.
 
Dude, you claim you haven’t worked in decades. Why should you get a raise.

Just collect your government check that I help provide and quit your complaining.
I'll waste another few seconds.

I own a small business. You've never heard me tell nail of Weatherford projects? Reading comprehension fails you again.
 

Oil Prices Expected To Soar In 2022​




 

Oil Prices Expected To Soar In 2022​




Yep, that’s the latest. Apparently OPEC is having trouble increasing production to meet rising demand. Depends on weather we finally get past Covid.

Great news for US oil and gas companies!
 
I'll waste another few seconds.

I own a small business. You've never heard me tell nail of Weatherford projects? Reading comprehension fails you again.
Nope, I usually just ignore your lame posts, other than to mock your fake Mensa claims.

I don’t really care about your personal life.
 
Yep, that’s the latest. Apparently OPEC is having trouble increasing production to meet rising demand. Depends on weather we finally get past Covid.

Great news for US oil and gas companies!
What does weather have to do with this? Too cold to pump oil or too many common colds?
 
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