What was FSU ex QB DeAndre Johnson doing in a gay bar when he hit that woman
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If this is now the argument, should we not move it to the lounge? Because we are no longer talking about a FSU thing, but a larger society thing.
Now?
It's been the premise of the entire thread.
Gators (minus oozie): Big mean FSU player punches woman for no reason, gets charged and booted from the football team...there's video evidence that clearly shows him grabbing her first and punching her! She's a woman, therefore there is no way she could have done anything wrong. ...oh and why did it take 11 whole days to get rid of this threat to society?
Noles: The FSU player was allegedly verbally assaulted, pushed backwards, kneed in the nads, and punched in the face before striking the woman. We all agree he should have still found restraint and walked away, but sadly he didn't and is now paying the price by losing his position on the team and being charged with a misdemeanor. Noles agree with FSU's decision to have him removed from the team because punching a woman is unacceptable even under these circumstances. Lingering question is, why wasn't the other person, who actually started the altercation, given equal punishment?
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It has nothing to do with Meggs thinking she was "punished" enough. He unquestionably punched her and injured her. She called the police and filed a complaint against him and there was video evidence that verified her complaint. He did not file a complaint against her. Sure, there are a limited number of circumstances where a DA would bring assault or battery charges without a complaining witness, but those are rare and almost always involve domestic violence or violence against a child.
Few men who just cold cocked a chick in a bar are going to file a criminal complaint against the victim because they know they were in the wrong. Without a complaining witness, no DA would bring assault or battery charges against a woman who was punched by a man simply because the surveillance video showed her being physical prior to getting punched. There are no legal grounds under which a DA would be justified in bringing charges against the female here. That's a fact and Meggs even sais that. IF she had actually hit him and left an injury, there would be. But that's not what happened and continuing to pretend he "could have" but didn't due to some "political correctness" atmosphere or because he "holds athletes to a higher standard" is ridiculous.
Buddy stop your foolishness. She did more than enough to warrant an assault and/or battery charge. In Florida, you can make a threat and be charged with assault. A threat can include anything from verbal or raising your fist in a threatening manner. I can shove you and be charged with battery. You are wrong saying there must be injuries. Meggs didn't do his job, plain and simple.
Then why wasn't she charged/punished in some way? After all, that is one of your chief defenses of Winston.
Society's double standard. "People" cave to public pressure, societal norms, PC, etc. The Dukes of Hazard was pulled from the air waves, what more can I say?
But he was not when he did not charge Winston, right? He was absolutely smart and accurate, right?
Can't have it both ways
Why is it mostly Nole fans that want this woman charged, or punished in some way? If that happened, would it mean that Johnson might not have been kicked off the team? Would it mean he would not have been charged? Would it be less embarrassing for FSU?
Not sure I understand the motivation.
Like I wrote earlier, if I were on jury where Johnson was charged, I would vote to convict based solely on that video. And if the woman was charged with assault of some kind, I would not vote to convict her, again based on that video.
You can say she acted boorishly, but that is not a crime.
Not sure I understand the motivation.
Like I wrote earlier, if I were on jury where Johnson was charged, I would vote to convict based solely on that video. And if the woman was charged with assault of some kind, I would not vote to convict her, again based on that video.
You can say she acted boorishly, but that is not a crime.
Never said that. I'm from Tallahassee and I have never voted for Willie Meggs. Put it like this, from the moment Meggs interviewed Winstons accuser, he knew she was lying. He knew this. She refused to answer several questions, she had deleted messages from her phone and she refused to tell him who the other source of DNA was. He knew this girl wasn't credible. So what does he do?? He makes Winston sweat it out for weeks while he "makes a decision" on whether he would be charged. He's not a good man. You will never find a post where I said anything positive about Meggs.
I doubt he was interested in prosecuting a case that he cannot win.
mcanes is likely used to lip reading one word replies....like the word NO.
Nole imposters or casual fans. After all, it's something that started in Jacksonville, and I'm thinking it's mainly lots of westsiders who couldn't find FSU on a map but are friends and family of DJ.
It won't make a bit of difference. He's gone. Unfortunate but necessary.
The girl has had her name spread around and also her sorority. I'm thinking there are some very embarrassed people out there who are ashamed of this "large" girl behaving that way. At the very least her parents. She's paying a price in the court of public opinion.
I can't speak for my RRT constituents, but for me this is on the heals of the Hope Solo discussions in the LR. I'm tired of the double standard and this is simply another example.
Explain to me why her punching him is not a crime, but him punching her is? Remember, video shows her making contact with him THREE times before he punched her; once before he grabbed her.
Find me a Nole who said Willie Meggs was "smart and accurate" and I'll show you some beach-front property I own in Arizona. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.
p.s.
I guarantee you Willie was desperately trying to find any and every way to charge him. That is why Nole fans were even more convinced of his innocence, If Meggs, known FSU football player hater can't charge you, then you must be innocent. [true or not, it's how Nole Nation feels about Willie]
Because its what FSU fans do. They live in a little fantasy world where they are the "good guys" and victims of "media jealousy" while everyone else - especially Miami and Florida - are the "bad guys". Any narrative differing from that fantasy can not be allowed to stand. Over the past two years, they have become the poster child for the toleration of violence against women and police cover-ups in college sports with Winston's multiple sexual misconduct allegations and Karlos Williams beating up his pregnant girlfriend. Now, we have an actual image of an FSU player committing another inexcusable crime against a woman. As with the other incidents, they will defend and deflect so that something other than "FSU athletes committing crimes against women" is the narrative. Here, they are in desperation mode because its all on film for the world to see and are making complete fools of themselves with this "political correctness" and "Meggs is a moron" nonsense.
DJ messed up and got booted off the team. I don't think the kid is bad - he just reacted poorly in this situation.
I hope the best for the young man. He has learned a valuable lesson.
Most Noles agree with the punishment.
However, I hope that girl gets punished in some way for her behavior. It isn't right for a woman to behave in that manner.
I hope the best for the young man. He has learned a valuable lesson.
Most Noles agree with the punishment.
However, I hope that girl gets punished in some way for her behavior. It isn't right for a woman to behave in that manner.
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This is pure comedy. Yep that is exactly what it is. No way is it Nole fans! I mean look at all the comments as well. Keep spinning and being a homer! It is what you do best.
She did. And it was a punishment she did not deserve.
If "she" were a "he" would you feel the same?
Ahhh...the misogyny of goldmom. I wondered when you...and it.... would make an appearance.
Someone needs a refresher.
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She did. And it was a punishment she did not deserve.
She took a swing right before he did.
Most of the defense of Winston were of the variety, "He was not charged or even otherwise punished. That proves, PROVES he is exonerated and did nothing wrong!"
He grabbed her right after she shoved him aside and slammed arm into his chest followed by a right hand pulled back ready to strike.
you want to play the hypothetical game as opposed to dealing with the actual facts of this incident and I know why. Dealing with the actual facts is a loser for you.
To play along and candidly answer your hypothetical...
If "she" were a "he" then it's very likely that the swing "he" took would have created a self defense situation.... making Johnson's punch back REASONABLE and causing "he" to be arrested for Battery.
Whether you all like it or not, the physical abilities (and thereby gender) of the people involved are factors that go towards determining reasonableness. Take it up with the legislature if you don't like it.
HAHA, yes, I'm sure that's exactly what's going on here LOL. Look, I know what your saying is possible, but you're really reaching if you think that is the case here. A local new station's website had TONS of nole fans commenting and defending the guy.
I'm a Nole fan, I work with fellow Nole fans, I Facebook with Nole fans, talk on the phone, text and exchange emails with fellow Nole fans. I haven't talked to one who defended DJ's actions. I'm not saying none are out there, I'm sure there are. In all my posts on Facebook and exchanging emails with Nole buddies, we all agree that punch meant the end of his career as it should have.
