You think there is any chance Trumps CFO paid Cohen $420,000 for porn star reimbursement without Trump's knowledge? And at a time he was running for president?
You have a reasonable doubt? Really?
Walls are closing in on DJT.... *All of Trump Charged threads have been merged - post here*
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You have a reasonable doubt? Really?
You are missing the fact that the prosecution is claiming that the Trump operative should have reimbursed this payment with campaign funds and not their personal expenses. There are also some other things that you are missing like a statute of limitations and you have a states D.A. prosecuting a Federal campaign violation. You and "Illegal" need to get a different source for your facts.
Good thought. Have you and Kalim noted that this is the first time in the history of our great country that anyone has ever faced this "trumped" up charge? Why not admit that this case is all poltical.
Statue of limitations is not a problem and the judge already said that. You're using right wing talking points/lies. He is claiming federal AND state campaign violations. The jury can convict on either. So it's not limited to anything federal.
I personally don't have doubt but the evidence provided could lead to doubt.
The presendential race is Federal, therefore I don't believe any state has jurisdicrtion in a Federal election.
Of course it's partly political. Who said it wasn't? If Biden did the same shit he would be in court as well. Both sides go after each other, but Trump keeps giving the Democrats red meat. How about Trump stop committing crimes so the Democrats don't have anything to attack him with? That's the problem. How about you admit that?
Show us your law degree. Otherwise stop pretending.
Let's test your above statement with a real life supposition. Suppose that Senator and/or Vice President Biden was to remove top secret classified documents from their secure place and take them to his home and store in his garage or his library. Further, he also allowed his ghost writer to use as he needed in writing a book that made old Joe 8 million dollars, do you suppose old creepy senile Joe wou;ld be charged for these crimes. I belive he would get away with it because Democrat politicians are above the law.
I have a degree in Engineering not Law. I used the word believe in my statement thus there is no pretention on my part. Even tho i do not have a law degree, I know that we are suppose to have equal justice in our country. When it comes to Trump the Democrats are so afraid that he will win the next election that they have thrown this basic principal out the window.
You are wasting your time. Please don't feel obligated to explain yourself to that clown. He sees what he wants to see.
Show us your law degree. Otherwise stop pretending.
Now did you read why one was charged? Hur clearly explains why Trump was charged and Biden wasn't in his report. Don't allow yourself to block out information.
It wounds my soul to hear a fellow Gator spout such stupid ignorant nonsense. As our beloved Rosanne Rosanna would say "nevermind".
Why don’t you tell the class why Hur said he didn’t recommend charges for Biden.
It’s a fun answer.
Watching @Illegal-shift and @kalimgoodman debate the finer points of this trial is like watching a cat do calculus.
It’s pointless but fun to watch.
You are going to be on ignore next. Poor shifty can't take the heat of actually backing up his bullshit. 😂
Because....
"evidence falls short of proof beyond reasonable doubt that Mr. Biden retained and disclosed these classified materials willfully".
Only Senator/V. Pres Biden was allowed to view those secret classified documents in the place where they were kept. Only Biden could have removed them from the secure place where they were stored. His staff was not authorized to even view the documents Biden took. He also admitted that he willfully and intentionally took classified secret documents so that his ghost writer could write something to make him look good about Afghanistan.
Meaning he is not now or even back when he stole all the documents that he had zero right or authority to take, competent enough to “willfully” know anything.
Literally nothing you said was correct. This is what happens when one refuse to actual read a report that they like to discuss.
Now what did Biden show his ghostwriter?
Stop being a clown. I literally copied this from a New Yorker article - a VERY left wing source:
When you omit the most important part of a quote you’re being a partisan hack. Either admit that’s what you are or change your behavior.
Yet Hur concluded that “the evidence does not establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.” He reasoned that “at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” In Hur’s view, ““it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”
Hur said Biden was too mentally incapacitated to pass the “willfulness” test in front of a jury. THAT’S where the ‘reasonable doubt’ comes from.
This post proves you are not very bright, son. Last in your kindergarten class?
Now they are claiming "executive privilege" to hide the details from the public.
Nothing to see here?
They won't share the audio of the transcripts that have already been released.Now they are claiming "executive privilege" to hide the details from the public.
Nothing to see here, most transparent administration ever...
They either altered the content in the transcript or Biden sounded horrible and they don't want anyone to hear it.
That's weird.
When I copy directly from the actual report the formatting looks like this:
Third, as discussed to some extent above, Mr. Biden will likely present himselfto the jury, as he did during his interview with our office, as a sympathetic, wellmeaning, elderly man with a poor memory. While he is and must be accountable forhis actions-he is, after all, the President of the United States-based on our direct219observations of him, Mr. Eiden is someone for whom many jurors will want to searchfor reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury they should convict himby then a former president who will be at least well into his eighties-of a seriousfelony that requires a mental state of willfulness.Finally, while jurors might not find reasonable doubt in any one theevidentiary shortcomings identified above, some jurors may find reasonable doubtbecause of the cumulative effect of some or all of these shortcomings.
The page numbers copy and the spacing is off.
One of us isn't telling the truth, both about WHY Hur thought a jury wouldn't convict and where we're getting our quotes.
I thought you despised "known liars"?
He shared classified information that he told the ghostwriter was classified.
From page 3:
but Mr.Biden shared information, including some classified information, from thosenotebooks with his ghostwriter. FBI agents recovered the notebooks from the officeand basement den in Mr. Biden's Delaware home in January 2023.
From page 3:
Mr. Biden wrote his 2007 and 2017 memoirs with the help of a ghostwriter. Ina recorded conversation with his ghostwriter in February 2017, about a month afterhe left office, Mr. Biden said, while referencing his 2009 Thanksgiving memo, that hehad "just found all the classified stuff downstairs." At the time, he was renting a homein Virginia, where he met his ghostwriter to work on his second memoir. Downstairsfrom where they met was Mr. Biden's office, where he stored his papers.
From page 4:
The best case for charges would rely on Mr.Biden's possession of the Afghanistan documents in his Virginia home in February2017. when he was a private citizen and when he told his ghostwriter he had justfound classified materiaL
From page 4:
\Vhen Mr. Eiden toldhis ghostwriter about finding ''all the classified stuff downstairs," his tone wasmatter-of-fact.
From page 7:
And while reading his notebook entries aloud duringmeetings with his ghostwriter, Mr. Eiden sometimes skipped over presumptivelyclassified material and warned his ghostwriter the entries might be classified, but atleast three times Mr. Eiden read from classified entries aloud to his ghostwriternearly verbatim.
From page 8:
As he told his ghostwriter during a recorded interview, thesame staff who arranged to secure his classified notecards "didn't even know" he hadretained possession of his classified notebooks. Twice in 2017, Mr. Eiden visited theNational Archives SCIF to review his classified notecards while writing his book. Yethe kept his notebooks, which also contained classified information, in unlockeddrawers at home. He had strong motivations to do so and to ignore the rules forproperly handling the classified information in his notebooks. He consulted thenotebooks liberally during hours of discussions with his ghostwriter and viewed themas highly private and valued possessions with which he was unwilling to part.
I'm just stopping here because it's obvious he knowingly shared classified information with his ghostwriter...in the first 8 pages of a report you've never read. This represents the 16 of the 59 times the word "ghostwriter" appears in the report.
KalimGoodman wants to win so badly that no amount of facts or just common sense that you throw at him changes his mind. So I would just give him the win if he wants it that bad and save your breath or your fingers.
