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Walls are closing in on DJT.... *All of Trump Charged threads have been merged - post here*

On the 87th attempt, have the dems FINALLY got Trump?


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Did he though? I really don't know. He might have paid it through one of his many corporations or LLC cash accounts. Was Cohen running his election campaign funds? I guess we'll find out eventually. It's a technicality either way. With all of the dirty deeds the Dims have done and don't care who knows, it's hypocrisy at it's pinnacle.
Do you remember the Lancaster brothers?

One ran for Sheriff and one ran for County commissioner.

The one that ran for county commissioner was also my civics teacher and they couldn't even comingle campaign funds as brothers in two separate branches of government.

Regardless of where the money comes from it has to be in a campaign account. In trumps case he probably had multiple donor accounts and one or two for his own funds.

Otherwise what's to stop me from handing The Donald a McDonalds bag full of cash and telling him to buy himself something pretty for the campaign?
 
Do you remember the Lancaster brothers?

One ran for Sheriff and one ran for County commissioner.

The one that ran for county commissioner was also my civics teacher and they couldn't even comingle campaign funds as brothers in two separate branches of government.

Regardless of where the money comes from it has to be in a campaign account. In trumps case he probably had multiple donor accounts and one or two for his own funds.

Otherwise what's to stop me from handing The Donald a McDonalds bag full of cash and telling him to buy himself something pretty for the campaign?
What county was that? I'm not familiar with that. I think we are talking about two different things. One, I don't know where the money came from. Was she paid from a campaign account through Cohen? Trump likely would have paid her to keep from publishing a book whether or not he was a candidate. It's bad for the rep, and his brand is where his money comes from. That's where my confusion lies.
 
What county was that? I'm not familiar with that. I think we are talking about two different things. One, I don't know where the money came from. Was she paid from a campaign account through Cohen? Trump likely would have paid her to keep from publishing a book whether or not he was a candidate. It's bad for the rep, and his brand is where his money comes from. That's where my confusion lies.
Cohen testified that he paid the representatives of two women after being contacted by the representatives and informed they had been approached by the media and offered compensation for telling their stories. It was under the campaign finance charge so either, and I know dick about campaign law.

1) Cohen actually used campaign funds, from the donor fund or from Trumps personal contributions

Or more likely

Cohen is listed as either counsel or campaign staff and as such any funds disbursed as a Trump campaign staff member falls under the auspices of campaign law.
 
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What county was that? I'm not familiar with that. I think we are talking about two different things. One, I don't know where the money came from. Was she paid from a campaign account through Cohen? Trump likely would have paid her to keep from publishing a book whether or not he was a candidate. It's bad for the rep, and his brand is where his money comes from. That's where my confusion lies.
It was Clay County in 93-4.
 
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What presidents plot an insurrection to overthrow the results of an election?

There's always a first time for everything

He never plotted and you know it lol turn off CNN dumbass. The only insurrection ever done with no guns

Looking back on it tho, maybe he should have
 
Nope Trump and Hitler are of the same Nolie so nah
You just rocketed off the planet with that one.

That's either an insult to Hitler or some lightyears beyond Ultra MAGA ass kissing.

Hitler conquered all of western Europe and exterminated his political enemies, gypsies, the homeless, queer people and oh, SIX MILLION JEWS.

Trump says dumb shit and hurts people's feelings on Social Media.
 
You just rocketed off the planet with that one.

That's either an insult to Hitler or some lightyears beyond Ultra MAGA ass kissing.

Hitler conquered all of western Europe and exterminated his political enemies, gypsies, the homeless, queer people and oh, SIX MILLION JEWS.

Trump says dumb shit and hurts people's feelings on Social Media.
Yea Hitler was a mass murderer no doubt but Trump loves Adolph, he’s studied him for years, to be honest I like messing with ghost and others who worship him and believe he’s the best thing since sliced bread, my take is that sorry piece of filth will never be president again which is a good thing
 
And the donald trump indictment march begins....expect Fulton county to go next...followed by the Mar-a-Lago case


https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html
Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday and calls for supporters to protest
Kaitlan Collins
By Kaitlan Collins, CNN
Published 8:22 AM EDT, Sat March 18, 2023

WashingtonCNN —
Former President Donald Trump said Saturday he expects to be arrested in connection with the investigation by the Manhattan District Attorney next week and called for protests as a result.

In a social media post on Saturday, Trump, referring to himself, said the “leading Republican candidate and former president of the United States will be arrested on Tuesday of next week.”

“Protest, take our nation back,” he wrote.

This is a breaking story and will be updated.
I’m late to this thread, but what “crime” has been committed here?
 
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What leads you to the belief that donald trump isn't that dumb?


Despite some spectacularly bad investments he turned 40 million dollars into 4.5 billion dollars.

He's not Jay Z but that's worth noting.

Also he's 60 and never been in jail.

Which means either he's smart or smart enough to surround himself with smart people.

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What I'm saying is Trump largely financed his own campaign (first one).

Huh? Where did you get that idea from?
This article has all of the flip flopping trump did on self funding during the 1st campaign in a timeline

As you can plainly see...trump DID NOT self fund either campaign


https://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/4856...p-has-taken-on-how-he-is-funding-his-campaign

MAY 4 Trump becomes the apparent Republican nominee after Ted Cruz and John Kasich drop out of the race. (Source)

Trump says he won’t pay for the fall campaign and will start raising money with the Republican National Committee.
(Source)self-financing

MAY 9 Trump tells the New York Times, “As soon as there’s unity, it’s going to be very easy to do. … I think we’ll raise $1 billion.” Says he’ll use his own cash, too. (Source)fundraising


It would be next to impossible to tie that with campaign contributions if funds are comingled and Trump was dumping personal funds into his campaign account.

Only problem with your theory is the funds can't be comingled... 🤣
trump's personal money is accounted for as a loan by the candidate to the campaign

Who are you George Santos campaign treasurer? 😂


I don't think there are limits on what a candidate spends out of his own pocket. At the time NDAs were not only legal but tax deductible so it would have been dumb to do it out of his campaign account. Cohen already testified that he paid her and then Trump reimbursed him. Ross Perot spent a CRAPLOAD of his own cash when he ran.

All of that's true...if you follow the law

trump didn't...you don't even have the actual details of what occurred correct

Cohen/trump paid David Packer to "kill" the 2 women's stories by signing exclusive deals and then never publishing their stories.

The entered into 2 false NDA agreements....false because trump never signed the NDAs according to Daniels

I will assume she was right since she's been free to talk about this since
 
You brought up a good point (and candidly, I cannot be up on every piece of news) that the European nations have now come together to reduce the needs on Russia through caps. I am glad that they are doing that.

I happen to be a bit skeptical that China and India are not turning around and re-fueling Putin's economy, but Xi and Modi are clever enough to know that Putin cannot be an "Alpha" here and will get fuel at below market rates.

Again, good citation.
In fairness, see my note on Saudi Arabia.

The overall constrained supply environment is doing wonders for every oil producer not under price and volume caps.

I hope you see that I do not come to these exchanges looking for a "fight", but to trade ideas and if they should evolve, then that is the benefit of free exchange of ideas.

Same here...I fight with posters looking for a fight

I never replied with the desire of proving you wrong.

I don't have Russia's 2022 GDP committed to memory
I went to look and see if what you posted was true because I didn't think it was in the case in Russia

Reportedly the Russian economy is under a lot of pressure...seems like their hurting to even re-stockpile their arms hence the need to rely on China & Iran in the war effort

Your post got me to research a little bit....good conversation SHOULD cause everyone to do a bit more research about their beliefs
 
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Personally, I have hesitations around this for a few reasons:

1. Alvin is stretching to put together two misdemeanors to make a felony. That is terrible precedent on any side.

Bragg actually stopped the investigation initially when he took office. So something lead him to reopen the investigation after he won the trump.org case.

Probably Weiselberg's testimony but we'll see what changed his opinion when he actually announces the related indictment.

Nobody KNOWS who or what the indictment(S) will be.

What if investigating the hush money payments other crimes were uncovered within the trump org that can be directly tied to the donald?

Bragg would have to investigate those possible crimes also

2. Making efforts to defend Stormy Daniels when your city is under a nightly crime siege is a profound waste of taxpayer dollars.

That would be the prerogative of the taxpayers of the city of Manhattan right?

And just for the record Miami & Florida have higher crime rates than NYC...should no white collar crime in Florida be prosecuted because street crime exists too?


3. This will make Trump a "martyr".

Not if the evidence convicts him, Conservative fairytale talking point.

4. If the "OnlyTrump" crowd was smart (I made this point months ago) they would defocus the "stop the steal" from election fraud that they can barely provide evidence for (and when they try, it may potentially undoing the main media juggernaut in Fox News) and broaden the aperture to the weaponization of big-tech, MSM, big city/Soros funded DAs, etc.

I agree in principle but trump is guilty of weaponizing the government against his political enemies too
At at level that's never been witnessed in the history of America

I don't think trump & his crime family really want that exposed

I do not know the facts, evidence, etc. but as someone who leans to DeSantis and Tim Scott, this is not a helpful set of events.

OK...personally I'm not a Tim Scott fan
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-fast-york-grand-jury-010249782.html
Not so fast. A New York grand jury will hear a final surprise witness on Monday and won't vote on Trump indictment until it's over.

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  • A Manhattan grand jury will continue hearing evidence Monday in the Trump hush-money investigation.
  • A final witness must testify before the panel can deliberate and then vote on a possible indictment.
  • Monday is now the earliest Trump could be indicted, though the charges would immediately be sealed.

A possible Donald Trump "hush-money" indictment is on hold until a final witness testifies before a Manhattan grand jury on Monday afternoon.

"There is one more witness," a source with knowledge of the investigation told Insider on Saturday night.

The source spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge details of the grand jury proceedings.

The source declined to identify the witness, whose testimony will cap a two-month grand jury presentation by prosecutors under District Attorney Alvin Bragg.

A separate source, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, told Insider that the witness is not Allen Weisselberg, Trump's former CFO, who is serving a five-month sentence for admittedly masterminding a payroll tax-dodge scheme at the Trump Organization.

News of a Monday grand jury witness was first reported by CNN.


Doesn't matter with how those are ran as you can literally indict a ham sandwich. All that matters is if the higher powers (Obama's crew) tell them to call the arrest off or not. I guess they could call it off using the jury also if that decision has already been made.
 
So 80% say Trump is fine, sheep refusing to vote.

LOL Called it. Ray ray is skeered!


Is this why you believe pollsters like the Trafalgar group?

I don't know what "other" 87 attempts you're talking about but NO I don't think this case will make trump be "done". Too many politicians have had their careers survive campaign finance charges even when found guilty

What's funny in this case is the depraved desire to defend donald trump without knowing what the charges or the evidence are

So who's really skeered?

The people freaking out in public who supposedly want to "drain the swamp" and be "corruption fighters" so long as it isn't trump or those who are willing to wait to hear the possible indictments & evidence

I would say its the former not the latter
 
Despite some spectacularly bad investments he turned 40 million dollars into 4.5 billion dollars.

He's not Jay Z but that's worth noting.

Also he's 60 and never been in jail.

Which means either he's smart or smart enough to surround himself with smart people.

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Without going into too much detail...he accomplished that on your back and the backs of every US taxpayer

Take a look at the wave of destruction Atlantic City was...any of his companies, the USFL, etc
trump has destroyed more value than he ever "created"

NOT a sign of him being smart IMHO
 
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Doesn't matter with how those are ran as you can literally indict a ham sandwich. All that matters is if the higher powers (Obama's crew) tell them to call the arrest off or not. I guess they could call it off using the jury also if that decision has already been made.


So if the grand jury indicts you want trump not to be arrested & prosecuted?

I wonder if you would feel that way if the subject of the indictment was Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama?

If trump is indicted in GA should he not be arrested & prosecuted there also?
What about in the federal cases?
 
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So if the grand jury indicts you want trump not to be arrested & prosecuted?

I wonder if you would feel that way if the subject of the indictment was Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama?

If trump is indicted in GA should he not be arrested & prosecuted there also?
What about in the federal cases?

A non-political agenda prosecutor doesnt take something to a grand jury if they know its a very weak case. This case and the Georgia one with the nutcase jury forewoman are joke cases.
 
Without going into too much detail...he accomplished that on your back and the backs of every US taxpayer

Take a look at the wave of destruction Atlantic City was...any of his companies, the USFL, etc
trump has destroyed more value than he ever "created"

NOT a sign of him being smart IMHO
So I don't get half credit for "spectacularly bad investments? "
 
So malone creates a bad poll and its my fault?

The 2 choices are this case will end donald trump or something about falling for it?

How about trump gets indicted & convicted and it doesn't end his political career
Or, how about he's indicted but isn't convicted and it doesn't end his career

I'll reserve my judgement until after the indictment comes out


Sounds like that should be sometime soon
 
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A non-political agenda prosecutor doesnt take something to a grand jury if they know its a very weak case. This case and the Georgia one with the nutcase jury forewoman are joke cases.


So by your "reasoning" all of the Clinton murdered people and Obama is a unconstitutional criminal were weak cases also

Hell if those were weak cases what's a modern day conservative supposed to believe? LOL

And then there's that criminal Joe Biden...he hasn't been indicted either

So it must be a weak case also, right?
 
So by your "reasoning" all of the Clinton murdered people and Obama is a unconstitutional criminal were weak cases also

Hell if those were weak cases what's a modern day conservative supposed to believe? LOL

And then there's that criminal Joe Biden...he hasn't been indicted either

So it must be a weak case also, right?

If Trump had done what Joe's family has done with those payouts he would have been locked up on multiple charges.
 
So malone creates a bad poll and its my fault?

The 2 choices are this case will end donald trump or something about falling for it?

How about trump gets indicted & convicted and it doesn't end his political career
Or, how about he's indicted but isn't convicted and it doesn't end his career

I'll reserve my judgement until after the indictment comes out


Sounds like that should be sometime soon
Ray I got plenty of money I’m going to offer some mental health counseling for Ghost. Reason being he thinks 24/7 about Sheep ( Sexually) and for some reason Hoodwinked is the only big word he can pronounce
 
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Evilwayz admitting that the Clinton & Obama conspiracies didn't happen 😂

And getting to court requires an indictment....and donald trump is on the verge of several 🤣
 
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Bragg actually stopped the investigation initially when he took office. So something lead him to reopen the investigation after he won the trump.org case.

Probably Weiselberg's testimony but we'll see what changed his opinion when he actually announces the related indictment.

Nobody KNOWS who or what the indictment(S) will be.

What if investigating the hush money payments other crimes were uncovered within the trump org that can be directly tied to the donald?

Bragg would have to investigate those possible crimes also



That would be the prerogative of the taxpayers of the city of Manhattan right?

And just for the record Miami & Florida have higher crime rates than NYC...should no white collar crime in Florida be prosecuted because street crime exists too?




Not if the evidence convicts him, Conservative fairytale talking point.



I agree in principle but trump is guilty of weaponizing the government against his political enemies too
At at level that's never been witnessed in the history of America

I don't think trump & his crime family really want that exposed



OK...personally I'm not a Tim Scott fan
#1 on Bragg - perhaps, he probably stopped to enough he could get enough evidence to pass through even a left leaning grand jury. Otherwise, that would be viewed as a huge miss.

Bragg went to a very prestigious NYC Primary and High School and Harvard undergrad and Law School. He is highly intelligent and no fool.

#2 Yes it is - but the general principle holds. I live in West Michigan, but Florida was always violent and crime ridden.

#3 depends what the "evidence" is - sworn testimony from Michael Cohen who is dying to avoid jail time? That will not be persuasive.

#4 - you are a D/liberal, which is ok. Not sure that I agree on Trump weaponizing, but perhaps. While I like a number of his policies, my thoughts on DT are known. My views (outside of Abortion and a few other items) on Trump are well articulated by Shapiro.

On Cohen, I thought that was one of the most brilliant bits ever done by SNL:

 
Ghost that nothin burger will have to take a mug shot, he has no choice, that priceless pic will be all over social media, that’s your nothin burger
It’s nice of you to admit this has nothing to do with actually law, and everything to do with politics.

Did you ever figure out what good or service the Biden family provided China for that $3MM payment we learned about this week?

Is that a bigger deal than paying a porn star to not tell a (possibly false) story?
 
It’s nice of you to admit this has nothing to do with actually law, and everything to do with politics.

Did you ever figure out what good or service the Biden family provided China for that $3MM payment we learned about this week?

Is that a bigger deal than paying a porn star to not tell a (possibly false) story?
At least Stormy had to work for her money (allegedly) 😂
 
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