I don't know how much we will be able to evalidate the QBs anyways with the oline that we have. Grier is tough as nails though and he has the respect of his teammates.
UK Game Thread
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Disagree...I think that Grier did some good things, he made some mistakes but our offensive line is horrible...guy was running all night. I think that Grier played a good game. The idea that there is a 'Driskel' syndrome would have to indicate that Grier can't make any throws, plays, etc...you would also have to believe that McElwain is Muschamp and I don't think that he is.
We lose all 3 of these unless the Oline improves greatly...but if we can win next week...outside of these 3 the rest of the games are winnable.
I think he means Driskel syndrome only in the sense that everyone overlooks the QB's fatal flaws because they have he big arm and can run. Some of that is happening with Grier right now no doubt. Harris took heat the first two weeks for way less than this performance to the point where people was saying he shouldn't go in the game because he 'messes up Grier's rhythm.' Now people are convincing themselves that the offense or QB played well tonight. It's insanity.
There is nothing to this point that has shown he's better other than that he can throw it harder and faster. Had Harris put up this same performance last night you would be singing a different tune. How do I know? Because that's exactly what happened weeks 1 and 2 and his performances were not nearly as bad as this one tonight. The game threads are there for everyone to see. You guys were not nearly as forgiving of better performances than the one Grier and the offense just put up tonight.
Nobody said the offense played good tonight but Grier is the right QB for this team. I'm really not interested in watching Harris sit back there and try to throw the ball.
McElwain just said Grier played well and showed some toughness and grit. He's the future and he needs to be the guy that needs to get the reps and gets coached up. His ceiling is much much higher than Harris.
And to me this isn't even a Treon vs. Grier thing. The future QB isn't on this roster. I like some of Grier's physical gifts but he can't stop putting the ball into the hands of the opposing team, lucky for us they can't catch. And he's already getting happy feet. He spent the entire second quarter on taking off running before he even completed his drop.
You would think after Driskel all the 'ceiling' talk would be put to bed, but here we are again. People can't help but fall in love with the big arm and pretty release, results be damned.
Nope Grier is just a redshirt freshmen. I Love his potential and I'm going to give him more than 3 games into his career to make all these crazy assumptions on his future already like you have chosen to do.
Just going to put this here, as it seems everyone is busy arguing Grier vs Harris now.
First off, I'm happy for the win, very happy. Very sad that Florida football has come down to the level that we need to bite our nails for a game against Kentucky of all teams, but eh...
Now to my problem with the game. Does anyone else have an issue with the fact that we just sat here for 4 hours and witnessed a Will Muschamp directed football game? We hired Coach mac to come in here and provide us some badly missing offense, that's his thing. Instead what did we watch tonight? Get up by a few points early in the game, then sit on your defense and start trying to run the clock out in the 2nd quarter, praying that your defense will hold out. No downfield passing, QB runs on more plays than he throws, the usual we've been seeing for 4+ years now... I know everyone is going to leap to excuses on this, oh the offensive line this, or the early in the season that. This was Kentucky, their defense is one of the worst and slowest we'll see this year. I saw no creativity, no quick slants in the 2nd half, no crossing routes at all, NOTHING going to our vaunted tight ends today save for that hail mary pass to #83. This bugs me as I promised myself I'd give the new staff their time, but I don't want to keep feeding 6,000$+ every year to the program for seats only to watch this mediocre boring crap.
Just my opinion.
First off, I'm happy for the win, very happy. Very sad that Florida football has come down to the level that we need to bite our nails for a game against Kentucky of all teams, but eh...
Now to my problem with the game. Does anyone else have an issue with the fact that we just sat here for 4 hours and witnessed a Will Muschamp directed football game? We hired Coach mac to come in here and provide us some badly missing offense, that's his thing. Instead what did we watch tonight? Get up by a few points early in the game, then sit on your defense and start trying to run the clock out in the 2nd quarter, praying that your defense will hold out. No downfield passing, QB runs on more plays than he throws, the usual we've been seeing for 4+ years now... I know everyone is going to leap to excuses on this, oh the offensive line this, or the early in the season that. This was Kentucky, their defense is one of the worst and slowest we'll see this year. I saw no creativity, no quick slants in the 2nd half, no crossing routes at all, NOTHING going to our vaunted tight ends today save for that hail mary pass to #83. This bugs me as I promised myself I'd give the new staff their time, but I don't want to keep feeding 6,000$+ every year to the program for seats only to watch this mediocre boring crap.
Just my opinion.
But you guys made the same assumptions about Harris after the same amount of time. Why is that? The only difference is he doesn't have the big arm and pretty release. But ok. You guys will wake up in due time.
You think the offensive mess was going to get fixed in one year just because we changed coaches? Really? How does Auburns defense look just because they hired a top notch DC. I dislike Muschamp as much as anybody but he's a very good DC and Auburns defense will be good in time. He's already had a very good Auburn defense in his past.
No I don't think is anything like a Muschamp coached team. We were up 14-3 and knocking in the door and we threw the ball into the endzone going for UKs throat. Totally different coaching philosophy from Mushcamp. It just doesn't happen overnignt.
Yeah maybe so...I think that he played okay...he made a lot of plays with his legs, he made some good throws...he missed some throws on open guys and obviously threw that bad pick in the 2nd quarter...but all in all he played tough...hung in there and made a lot of plays. People who want to see Treon play...just wait...Treon is going to play because Grier is going to get hurt...I hope that it doesn't happen but it probably will...this O Line is going to get him killed! If that happens we just better hope that Treon doesn't get carted off after that. Geez...this O Line was driving me crazy during this game.
All and all I"m happy with the win...good win for the Gators...it wasn't pretty, we needed to win and we did.
A lot of people thought hat we lose tonight....this was a good win for us and well deserved. Our team hung in there and played tough. We are going to have some ugly games this year but a win is a win...if we take next week against Tennessee then we could look at 8 wins on the season which would be HUGE for this program
I'm not expecting it to be fixed overnight, but what I saw out there was clock management football again and that's what got Muschamp fired. Nobody wants to see that crap. There was VERY little imagination to our offensive game plan.
What we DO know is that our offensive line is young and needs help. They won't be making big holes this year so the running game is going to have it's hands tied if it doesn't get creative. I'm not seeing the passes to the TE's that we have, or many other people. It almost looked like we were playing scared against one of the weakest SEC defenses we'll face this year. We know our guys can catch balls, the first game of the year proved that. Not many opportunities though today for many of the players.
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, but I know what I saw and I saw a Muschamp type of gameplan out there. Sit on our butts and let our defense save us the moment we get up by more than 1 score. Maybe I just don't have the patience as I would have had Treon out there in the 3rd when we were wasting opportunities on drives starting inside enemy territory and getting nothing for it, then going 3 and out every drive after that.
What we DO know is that our offensive line is young and needs help. They won't be making big holes this year so the running game is going to have it's hands tied if it doesn't get creative. I'm not seeing the passes to the TE's that we have, or many other people. It almost looked like we were playing scared against one of the weakest SEC defenses we'll face this year. We know our guys can catch balls, the first game of the year proved that. Not many opportunities though today for many of the players.
I'm not asking anyone to agree with me, but I know what I saw and I saw a Muschamp type of gameplan out there. Sit on our butts and let our defense save us the moment we get up by more than 1 score. Maybe I just don't have the patience as I would have had Treon out there in the 3rd when we were wasting opportunities on drives starting inside enemy territory and getting nothing for it, then going 3 and out every drive after that.
No Harris is a very innaccurate passer. He's too inaccurate to play QB in the SEC. We've seen that and it is something that can't be fixed. I've said it time and time again I don't care that much about arm strength and size for a QB. Not in college. I do care about the passing accuracy of a QB. Harris is way too innaccurate IMO. With that being said Harris will play again this year. I seem to recall I wasn't that high on Harris as a QB when we were recruiting him. I didnt see future SEC QB when he was in high school.
Bro I think that you are watching a different game. We didn't sit on the ball...we have a great drive that ended in an INT...we had some other drives but just couldn't keep them going. We throw the ball on 1st down all the time and the play call is good...our offensive line just has a LONG way to go...but it's to be expected. I'm surprised that you see it that way.
what got Muschamp fired is he lost ALOT of ball games and after 4 years he was still losing lots of ball games.
It wasn't a Muschamp game plan at all. We threw the ball into the endzone when we were leading 14-3. On our last offensive possession of the game we called pass plays. That never happened under Muschamp.
I agree. Play calling is much much different now than at any time in the last 4 years.
Right. But Grier is proving to be just as inaccurate and can't stop putting the ball in the chest of defenders, it's just being excuses because he looks better throwing it even though it's not going where it needs to go. You're misunderstanding me. Grier has some excellent passing tools. He has one of if not the quickest releases I've ever seen with a great arm, but it means nothing if we continue to see the things we saw tonight. He was shaky against ECU also and their defense sucks and they got tore up today too. This isn't a plea for Harris. I stand by my statement that the QB of the future isn't on this team. Don't think it's a coincidence Mac tried to sign two QB's and bring in Golson even with two young QB's on the team.
Disagree. Grier is a much more accurate QB than Harris. I don't think he's putting it into the chest of defenders as much as you think. He played a pretty good mistake prone game tonight. He's tough as nails and has the respect of his teammates. Hes also only played 3 games with 2-3 true freshmen olineman getting tons of PT, a converted dlineman playing guard (Riles) and a center that really has no business starting in the SEC but he has too.
Again I hate to say it but I never thought Harris was an SEC caliber QB. You can't play QB and be that inaccurate of a passer.
Again I hate to say it but I never thought Harris was an SEC caliber QB. You can't play QB and be that inaccurate of a passer.
These are the growing pains that are to be expected...there was a good chance that we could have lost tonight but we got the win. There are lots of things that need to be fixed...biggest thing O Line but we knew that it was going to be a weakness...receivers made a lot of good catches but had some drops that we need...QB make a lot of good plays but missed some throws and threw a pick in the end zone when we HAVE to have a TD...defensive line played lights out...secondary gave up some big plays but made some big plays. All and all the D played well but there are things to fix on 3rd down and tackling. With all that said...I'm happy as hell with the win..this was a good win for us.
By the way Harris is likely going to play becuase Grier is going to get hurt. No way he survives behind this oline
He just needed a little more loft. It reminded me of a play late in the 2009 SECCG, where Tebow was trying to hit his TE in the back of the end zone, but failed to get enough air under the ball to clear a defender.
Here is how Mac and others can see who is better, let Treon play the whole game against UT like he allowed Grier do against UK.
Grier hasn't been up against good defenses and tonight itself proves it. UKs defense sucked and yea UF blew out UK with 14 points.
Grier hasn't been up against good defenses and tonight itself proves it. UKs defense sucked and yea UF blew out UK with 14 points.
Anyone thinking that our O looked good is insane. Our Oline was blown up ALL night. I just go back to before the season began - you don't replace an entire Oline and have a Frosh QB and look really good on Offense. You can have the best O coordinator in the world and you don't overcome those 2 things. No matter the play calling, we're in for some ugly football.
Hopefully Mac is running a lot of it. We know how the OC calls games in the past.
This - also
Both of these guys will play. You can't have a QB that doesn't plan to run, HAVING to run 10-12 times per game in the SEC and survive haha. Grier almost didn't make it past KY - and that's first SEC game. With this Oline we're going to need both guys.
Anybody who thinks the offensive play calling isn't light years ahead of last year is insane. We actually try to move the ball now. We try to score. It isn't even close to the same.
Gritty win in sadgator's opinion. And no complaints. By the way, how did DW look as a RSF against KY? Everybody needs to chill and appreciate the fact that we are slowly putting the past 4 year nightmare behind us.
Gritty win in sadgator's opinion. And no complaints. By the way, how did DW look as a RSF against KY? Everybody needs to chill and appreciate the fact that we are slowly putting the past 4 year nightmare behind us.
I agree a little bit but what does that say about the offense when the results were a lot better up to this point last season even playing Bama on the road in the 3rd game.
Really?? What it says is we have a whole new system with a whole new coaching staff and a whole new offensive line. Its pretty simple to see actually.
I wonder if Danny Wuerffel was deemed not a future UF QB after he threw 3 interceptions on the road in his redshirt freshmen season against UK?
To me that isn't valuable in evaluating him. One, it was in a completely different system with completely different players. Our o-line and skill positions have basically been overhauled for example. And then you have the terrible Muschamp philosophy. If we're constantly told that Muschamp was so bad he made all our offensive players look worse than they were, then why are we writing off a true freshman after 6 games of experience? If it's too early to judge Grier now, then it should be too early to judge Harris, but everybody has already thrown him on the trash heap. The logic isn't consistent.
The Danny comparison is relevant and fair imho. I don't think it's realistic to presume Grier isn't the future after just two starts! Way too early for such a declaration.... but his tendencies on the field do warrant some concern.
He has to protect the ball so much better than he does. Treon even as a true freshman, protected the football much better than Grier has so far. Grier has been very lucky to this point that his poor ball security hasn't cost us a game. There were a couple of throws last night that should have been Pick 6's and a fumble that miraculously bounce back into his chest.
No way at this stage in his career can I say Grier is a future Heisman candidate, but I sure as hell won't say he's not the right guy for UF going forward. That screams of bias and agenda. The young man doesn't deserve that. Just my $.02
He has to protect the ball so much better than he does. Treon even as a true freshman, protected the football much better than Grier has so far. Grier has been very lucky to this point that his poor ball security hasn't cost us a game. There were a couple of throws last night that should have been Pick 6's and a fumble that miraculously bounce back into his chest.
No way at this stage in his career can I say Grier is a future Heisman candidate, but I sure as hell won't say he's not the right guy for UF going forward. That screams of bias and agenda. The young man doesn't deserve that. Just my $.02
