And to be clear, while DeSantis is my first choice by a long way....I do think Trump will be the nominee. Trump will win within the party until he is tired of winning it. Im not naive to that, I personally prefer and am loyal to DeSantis
Trump is going to blow his chances...
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Yeah. I dont know about this source, but if true, DeSantis has got to get rid of her. There are very few things that I am as passionate about as not being in involved with Ukraine and Russia. The Ukraine / Russia hawks are total kooks, and their entire world view has to be wiped out. I dont know if what you have posted is true, but if it is, she has to be gone
I think the starting point is how well he did in 2020 - he won that election in a landslide.
More votes than any R candidate in history, first incumbent to increase his vote total and not win in a long, long time. Incredible endorsement record in 2022, still dominating the polls and drawing massive, enthusiastic crowds.
There's no one on the dem bench this side of Michelle Obama that would get close to him in a fair election. A Desantis challenge would make him even stronger, and Desantis would benefit from running against such a strong opponent...it'll make sure he's more than ready for the next cycle.
Trump has no filter and he can come across as an egotistical jerk. But he's genuine and consistent, he's rich enough that the establishment can't buy him off and he wants to do the right things for the right reasons. I also think he learned a ton from his first 4 years - he seemed much more "presidential" as he wound down his first term. I think he also realized who he can trust and who he needs to keep at arm's distance - which will help him be much more effective should he win again.
There's no reason for conservatives to be arguing about this, whoever is the nominee is much stronger than any Dem in the field.
Her pictures are far more worrisome IMO. Is that her kissing Zelensky in the last pic????
You can do searches for my posts on here and you will see that I was clear that DeSantis was the obvious future of the Republican party up till about 6 months ago. That's when stuff like this that ties DeSantis to the uniparty started trickling out, and it continues to this day.
I think he's done. I disagree with @fatman76 that a tough fight in the primaries will help both Trump and DeSantis. If this was politics as usual, I would agree. But it isn't. If DeSantis runs, I think Trump is going to put everything about Ron out there, and I fear he's sitting on a lot. This will cripple DeSantis, but it will also cause a few DeSantis supporters to refuse to vote for Trump as a result.
Neither man will gain supporters from a primary against the other, let's put it that way. I'm surprised that DeSantis can't see that.
If you’re right (and I’m not as informed as you are) then DeSantis probably thinks he’s fine with the Swamp behind him.
I sincerely hope that’s not the case.
DeSantis has been strongly anti-covid tyranny, has pushed ESG out of state funded pensions and has taken the fight to our local woke corporate kooks. Even the thing you say about DeSantis signing a bill that allows forcing the shot....he supposedly signed that 2 years ago....during the peak of the covid hysteria.....strongly defended our right not to get jabbed. He has been very pointed in his criticism of WEF. Everything he has SAID and DONE in his time here has been anti-globalist....it will be difficult to convince me that he is all the sudden in bed with the globalists. He has made his bones pissing of the globalists.
My comment was about Democrats gaslighting the public and your response was that it works? LOL...good Lord.
That's how the shoe fits, goofball.
Point being on the law you keep bringing up about the forced poison shot is...even if he did sign a law that had that slipped in there, he ad every opportunity and political cover to force that shot over the last 2 years....but did the opposite. He never put a single shot in a single arm by force, in fact, sued to keep it from happening.
For the life of me I don't understand why anyone wastes their time with you outside of toying with you while making fun of you.
Which is why he responded with that drivel...which had nothing to do with what I posted.
The kicked dog barks, nonsensically in this case.
In fairness, if he says that he will vote for Trump if Trump is the Republican nominee, I don't think that he would qualify as someone with TDS.
Nobody is disputing that. What makes him possibly ineluctable is the fact that you have to have the moderates and the independents to do so.
If this is true, and I'm not prepared to accept that it is based on Twitter claims, then this is the first truly concerning issue I've found with DeSantis.
It's more than concerning...it's a total dealbreaker.
If true he's duped a ton of people.
Agree.
But if it is true, I cannot square why the libs hate him so much...and I mean universally hate him. It's to the point where he is now "worse than Trump."
I can't square that with this. It's not logical at this point.
Everything I'm seeing points that direction. It seems the swamp has gotten in his ear that he needs to take on Trump, they will throw their support behind him and push him across the finish line.
I think Trump's plan was he goes wrecking ball again in 24 for 4 more years, cleans out the corruption, leaves a clean slate for DeSantis, who announces in 26 running for 28 and Trump endorses him completely, which sets him up to win in 28 in a landslide.
But DeSantis, it seems, has been convinced that the swamp's plan is smarter than Trump's plan. Ok then.
I hope not, but you may be right. It all depends on how he handles himself...hence EXACTLY why I started this thread. Attacking a VERY popular DeSantis is NOT getting off on the right foot. He WILL lose if he keeps that up, especially the BS he stated. Florida LED America in opening back up, and making sure taking the vaccine was a CHOICE, not a requirement. I give Trump and others a pass for a few months, because the world really did not know how bad this may be.
As far as his ego....I am not one that gets bothered a bunch about that...he would probably not ever be my best friend...but he DOES and DID get things accomplished that NO OTHER person ever has...and if those comie bastard lefties would not have lied and undercut EVERYTHING he ever did...imaging the good he could have done. Imagine today if we had a wall across our southern border. Lefties LIED and said "walls do not work" F'n LIARS.
God I hope he does not go that way. He is THE BEST politician I have seen in decades. This would ruin it for me
I am not personally bothered by the ego. I think he is hilarious. I think the ego is a weakness. I think it gets in the way of the things WE CONSERVATIVES want to get done. I think the swamp creatures have identified this weakness, and they know how to exploit it. I agree that he got wonderful things done. But dont you kind of wonder if he wasnt like using a trick play in football. You score an 80 yard touchdown on it, but can you return to it or once you use it the other team isnt gonna let you pull it off again. If he is the nominee, I think he needs to figure out that some battles are worth fighting, some are not. He has to do a much better job of personnel decisions ( have serious concerns here ).
I think you and I are on the same page when it comes to DeSantis. I am serious when I say I take pride in being a Floridian. I do think we saved the country, and probably the free world, at least extended the timeline for total destruction. Floridians were the tough, dug in bastards that refused to fold, when everyone else did. As a state, and as a people, we should be looked to for guidance on the way forward. People think palm trees, beautiful people on beaches,Miami and so forth when they think of Florida. This is certainly part of it, but I think people elsewhere are unaware of the rural, swamp lands and agricultural parts of the state, and the type of people we are. We not going anywhere, we not submitting to anyone...we are what texas pretends to be. DeSantis is the symbol of that spirit to me.
What's with this "we"? Is there a mouse in your pocket?
"We" have been trying to tell this board that for years. All of our "conspiracy theories" have come true. "What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? In America, about 6 months"
Rush Limbaugh
Im not big on computers or internet and havent been on this message board. I have been talking about the direction of things for many,many many years. This is why my family homesteads. That is to say, we grow our fruit and veggies, we raise our chickens, turkeys and cattle. We use the chickens for egg and compost production. When the "day after"comes, will go on. The "we" i was referencing is our society,our culture....wouldnt you agree that "WE"are on a sinking shipWhat's with this "we"? Is there a mouse in your pocket?
"What's the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? In America, about 6 months"
Rush Limbaugh
Talk to Apple. It doesn't recognize Aging. Must think I’m trying to say Aggie.
It's AI. They know you don't know what the hell you are talking about, so no one will notice. No harm, no foul. 😂
Yeah..that ego just comes with the rest. I do not think anyone likes it. But making multiple mid east peace deals, getting our armed forces remains from Korea, moving the Jewish embassy, doing a GREAT job on the border, despite the left undercutting him every step, NO WARS breaking out, killing Solemani etc I can overlook his asshole personality! LOL Yes , we are not way different in our thinking. The reason I like Trump better is I KNOW he will not suck up to the establishment...and that is HUGE to me. I do REALLY like Ron...but he had better steer clear of the establishment...or he will be done.
Opinion | Trump Is the GOP’s Albatross — The Wall Street Journal
Republicans who want to win will need to find a way around the former president.
Ah yes, since he can answer a simple question, he waves the white flag.Already stated facts. I can present them to you, but I can't understand them for you.
Another W for the GOAT.
In the primaries, I'd vote DeSantis over Trump.
IF Trump wins the primary, then I'd vote for him by default over any Rat that they put out there.
I'm wondering which Rat Crime Syndicate Family they'll be running next, after the Clinton/Biden crime families are put in jail, hopefully with ALL of their corrupt assets confiscated?
What I'd much rather see is DeSantis or maybe Jim Jordan as President, with Trump as the Sec of State. That's a job that would fit him, and he could likely be very successful doing.
IF Trump wins the primary, then I'd vote for him by default over any Rat that they put out there.
I'm wondering which Rat Crime Syndicate Family they'll be running next, after the Clinton/Biden crime families are put in jail, hopefully with ALL of their corrupt assets confiscated?
What I'd much rather see is DeSantis or maybe Jim Jordan as President, with Trump as the Sec of State. That's a job that would fit him, and he could likely be very successful doing.
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Also easier to remember what account you are logged into when you only use one. cc @BSC911 & @theswamp15
Both words spelled correctly. Well done. You did forget punctuation, however.
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