This is why your GOP is losing!
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I'm not on jury and won't be. I believe he's a criminal just like you guys believe he's innocent. We can have that opinion.
I'm not entertaining this stupid Obama murder stuff. It's a stupid talking point from the right. Trump spoke on this but Bannon started it. This is how right wing media works. They say dump shit and their minions start saying it over over.
Words have meaning, K. You can believe he's guilty, but he's not a criminal just yet.
You can not entertain it all you want, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
This is not a box we want to open.
But if I never said it then stop asking me to explain something or give examples of something I never said. You said it. That's on you.
I said his campaign is literally being ran by established Republicans and I gave their names.
He is not a criminal yet. I'll concede that.
It's always been that way. It just didn't start with Trump. Thats why its a stupid argument and DC circuit agreed. You guys keep ignoring that. He's just the 1st that allegedly did a crime w/o a pardon.
Here's where you said it.
You said he "changed" and now he "IS THE ESTABLISHMENT".
But you can't point to any policy positions or governance plans that reflect the ideals of the establishment. You're attacking him for taking money from the "wrong" people...even though what matters doesn't seem to be affected at all.
Again, dodge the facts and merit and attack the source.
Is a US President executing a US citizen without due process a crime or not?
VERY simple question.
Ty for bringing that up.
Ford didn't pardon Nixon for the sake of political expediency.
What laws exactly? What laws did he break as President that no other President hasn't broken?
Only if early and mail in voting are changed, otherwise we will 100% have another stolen election ...
Pardon me for being a bit of a rock but who is this pharmacist you keep referring to ?
Speaking of changing laws, that "new" NY Law that enabled the sexual abuse and defamation lawsuits against Trump, by suspending the statute of limitations, is only a temporary law. It magically goes away November 2024. Something else is happening in November 2024 also, hmmm.
If I told ya….
They would hit the report button. Showing their box to the board.
Hope that helps? 🤷♂️
Disagree - he has a different point of view.
Is Trump an "Establishment" player. Oh, dear, hellzzz no. I can make whatever comment I wish, but that is, to quote the Gen-Z squad, "CAP". (Cap = false, no pun on your moniker, sir)
Oh LAWD indeed.
By the way, have you see that Social Media guy who does the series, "when the 3 star is better than a 5 star"? He uses that sound at the best parts of the story. Dude is hilarious.
I have NEVER seen a post where he had accurate info, AND he gets run off the football board..so I disagree back.
My change comment was never policy related and I never said anything about policy. You make conversations tough dude. I don't know how to reply to you half the time because you add shit and make up shit.
You asked me about policy and I answered but to assume that me not being able to answer contradicts my statement is inaccurate because I never said my statement was about his policies.
So what does "Trump is the Establishment" mean then?
How did he "change"?
What "changed"?
You don't want words put in your mouth, then explain yourself.
He changed because he went from having true outsiders in his circle and around him to being surround by the republican establishment. His campaign is literally being ran by career politicians in Wiles & LaCivita.
I hope that clearly answer your question. You will disagree because that's what you do BUT don't say that I didn't answer.
Wiles worked on his campaign in both 2016 and 2020. So no "change" there.
In 2020 LaCivita was tapped to be the head of the Pro-Trump Super PAC called Preserve America. In 2015-2016 he worked on campaigns for Rand Paul, Ken Cuccinelli and Reince Priebus. These are all firmly Republicans, but all are far from "establishment" types...especially Rand Paul who's a libertarian.
Trump's campaign also has 3 other Senior advisors and a strategist, so I'm not clear on how these two define the campaign.
Point is, not much has changed with who he has running his campaign. He's been using experienced people in the Republican party since 2016.
If you ever decide being wrong is getting old, please let me know.
So there was change? I expect you to defend everything but you even you said that there were some changes LMAO.
Why do you fight the stupidest shit? Shit that you basically agree with but because it's me, you have to fight it. Is your life that boring?
What are you talking about?
Wiles has been with his campaign from the beginning.
LaCivita was a part of the campaign prior to the 2020 election.
You said he changed this cycle because of the DeSantis donors flipping and apparently these advisors.
I’m not arguing anything - I’m just going to correct clearly provable false statements. An argument would require you to take a reasonable position.
You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about a vast majority of the time.
Seriously bro how is using the same cat you brought up from the jump change?
He said "so not much has changed". Isn't that saying that there was change but not much? You said words matter. Let's see of you stand on that.
I may be overstating how much changed but there was definitely change.
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Wiles was not apart of his campaign team. She ran a state for his campaign (FL). Every major candidate has a person that runs a state for them. There is a difference.
Compare his 2016 team that he won with, then his 2020 team and now his 2024 team. You'll see the shift to more established Republicans. That is something DeSantis pointed out.
Excuse and argue just to argue time incoming...
You mentioned two people, I'm not familiar with the other one.
So I'm going to them up and see when they joined team Trump before I answer.
#research
Miles went from running a state in 2016 to running on the national campaign in 2020. That's called a promotion.
Civita was hired by the pubs in 2016 to deep six the Never Trump republicans, which he did, so in 2020 he was hired to run the Trump super pac preserve America, and now he's in charge of Maga Inc. Again, promotions.
So at least those two have been there since the beginng and that was the linchpin of your original argument.
edit: why is auto-correct correcting capitalized words???
Wiles and Lacivita, respectively.
The same people have had key roles in his campaigns since 2016. Do you have any clue how important keeping Florida red is? There’s little to not path for a Republican that doesn’t win FL.
He cut the fat in 2024, but there has been little ideological or strategic shift.
You make it sound like he’s all of the sudden an “establishment” shill now, like he’s brought in a new team.
Not much has changed, and Trump is fighting the establishment. I’m sorry but you don’t get to make false claims and expect people to just ignore it.
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