Just what I read on another inside site, just sharing, sorry I didn't meet your journalistic standards, you know since this is a message board where we share opinions and I am not actually a journalist. Frost is going to Nebraska or staying at UCF though, like it or not.
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Just what I read on another inside site, just sharing, sorry I didn't meet your journalistic standards, you know since this is a message board where we share opinions and I am not actually a journalist. Frost is going to Nebraska or staying at UCF though, like it or not.
Well I tried to talk about vintage VHS porn but nobody bit. So... Jill...I mean Chip Kelly to UF.
Just look at Austin, Texas & The Longhorns. They obviously have a massive fanbase but if you look at their student section after the first few weeks it's usually half empty. If the team isn't good skipping for Austin City Limits 2 weeks straight sounds like a lot more fun.
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Just had @uf and @UCF presidents in same room. When I asked Fuchs if he was stealing Coach Frost from UCF, Hitt interjected, "We know where you live and we'll kill your dogs." @GatorsFB
4:07 PM - Nov 13, 2017
How much of the homer propaganda below [†] seems delusional?
If ESPN's financial problems, as indicated by its lay-offs (reportedly several 100s), point the way to the future of not-quite-free t.v., the expansion of sports/entertainment programming might have passed an historic peak of coverage & operating luxury, with important consequences for college football:
• Sugar-daddy sports-t.v. arrangements will be pruned back to the "sure things" in college football, notably the SEC, B1G, and Notre Dame, an application of the modern Hollywood "entertainment" preference for "sure things", e.g., artless remakes of classic movies, instead of original ideas; and
• the remaining conferences and their member-schools will be abandoned by the wayside, so they will become dependent on technologies more expensive for the viewers, e.g., niche podcasty broadcasts, for which the bulk of the costs have been shifted onto the viewer via data-transfer charges for streaming video to a customer account [$], altho' some commercial watering-holes might accomodate such charges as a cost of doing business.
Schools who are established members of "sure thing" conferences might quite reasonably be increasingly concerned about sustaining existing levels of t.v. generosity, and so could become really skittish about redundancy in the "t.v. footprint" that conferences touted as dogma in more-or-less recent expansions. The widely distributed alums and other fans of UF and FSU have the State of Florida already covered quite effectively, and I seriously doubt that the member schools of the SEC or ACC would acquiesce to any dilution of their t.v. income during a period of contraction in their premiersugar-daddy sports/entertainment t.v. network.
Even the Big XII might feel the same skittishness. Despite the latter being an illogical home for any schools in the State of Florida, not only culturally, but also because of high transportation costs, the "t.v. footprint" argument has been made for including UCF and USF, albeit maybe only by deluded outsiders. And what advantage could UCF and USF possibly derive from home games that would bring prestigious teams like Oklahoma and Texas into the midst of a recruiting base where UCF and USF already must recruit at a significant disadvantage in prestige (i.e., relative to UF, FSU, Miami, plus various out-of-state interlopers)?
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Note †: Bianchi: "Commentary: UCF donors dig deep, try to convince Scott Frost to ignore Gators and Cornhuskers (Sat., "NOVEMBER 11, 2017, 7:20 PM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-uconn-mike-bianchi-1112-story.html>.
Note ‡: Bianchi: "Commentary: Hurricane Irma has UCF football facing financial "Armageddon" (Fri., "SEPTEMBER 15, 2017, 10:25 AM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-saturday-circus-mike-bianchi-0916-story.html>. Also, albeit less (ahem!) authoritative, #145 (by CompuGator "Oct 29, 2017 at 10:20 PM"). <https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...a-head-coach-thread.61748/page-4#post-1136767>.
Note $: I think--but am not certain--that streaming video is more-or-less the basis of the ESPN3 business model; I have no idea how that's faring. Despite the cable-t.v. and communications industry's massive investments in computer-and-other digital technology for image-processing and content-routing (i.e., switching networks), they continue to claim that genuine a-la-carte t.v. subscriptions are simply impossible for them to provide to customers. It's not just that I will never watch the NBA, MLS or NWSL (soccer), or Oprah, it's also that I want never to pay a bill that contains even allegedly miniscule network-wide subscriber fees (which of course add up quickly) for having such never-watched content available.
(Text above within brackets was inserted by this ITG member after his abridgment, for clarification to readers outside Central Florida.)
Well of course not! He'd be startlingly stupid to allow himself to sound, late in his presently undefeated season, like a coach ready to abandon his team.
"Excitement!? Even making the assumption--naïvely optimistic for UCF--that it can continue to "domina[te]" the American Athletic Conference, it's a league that the typical college-football fan couldn't care less about. And likewise the sugar-daddy sports-t.v. networks. They have little access to t.v. money now, and little financial wiggle-room, as exemplified the UCF athletic-budget crisis that arose when Hurricane Irma forced it to abandon a financially anticipated marquee home game Sep. 16 vs. Ga. Tech [‡].
If ESPN's financial problems, as indicated by its lay-offs (reportedly several 100s), point the way to the future of not-quite-free t.v., the expansion of sports/entertainment programming might have passed an historic peak of coverage & operating luxury, with important consequences for college football:
• Sugar-daddy sports-t.v. arrangements will be pruned back to the "sure things" in college football, notably the SEC, B1G, and Notre Dame, an application of the modern Hollywood "entertainment" preference for "sure things", e.g., artless remakes of classic movies, instead of original ideas; and
• the remaining conferences and their member-schools will be abandoned by the wayside, so they will become dependent on technologies more expensive for the viewers, e.g., niche podcasty broadcasts, for which the bulk of the costs have been shifted onto the viewer via data-transfer charges for streaming video to a customer account [$], altho' some commercial watering-holes might accomodate such charges as a cost of doing business.
Schools who are established members of "sure thing" conferences might quite reasonably be increasingly concerned about sustaining existing levels of t.v. generosity, and so could become really skittish about redundancy in the "t.v. footprint" that conferences touted as dogma in more-or-less recent expansions. The widely distributed alums and other fans of UF and FSU have the State of Florida already covered quite effectively, and I seriously doubt that the member schools of the SEC or ACC would acquiesce to any dilution of their t.v. income during a period of contraction in their premier
Even the Big XII might feel the same skittishness. Despite the latter being an illogical home for any schools in the State of Florida, not only culturally, but also because of high transportation costs, the "t.v. footprint" argument has been made for including UCF and USF, albeit maybe only by deluded outsiders. And what advantage could UCF and USF possibly derive from home games that would bring prestigious teams like Oklahoma and Texas into the midst of a recruiting base where UCF and USF already must recruit at a significant disadvantage in prestige (i.e., relative to UF, FSU, Miami, plus various out-of-state interlopers)?
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Note †: Bianchi: "Commentary: UCF donors dig deep, try to convince Scott Frost to ignore Gators and Cornhuskers (Sat., "NOVEMBER 11, 2017, 7:20 PM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-uconn-mike-bianchi-1112-story.html>.
Note ‡: Bianchi: "Commentary: Hurricane Irma has UCF football facing financial "Armageddon" (Fri., "SEPTEMBER 15, 2017, 10:25 AM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-saturday-circus-mike-bianchi-0916-story.html>. Also, albeit less (ahem!) authoritative, #145 (by CompuGator "Oct 29, 2017 at 10:20 PM"). <https://florida.forums.rivals.com/t...a-head-coach-thread.61748/page-4#post-1136767>.
Note $: I think--but am not certain--that streaming video is more-or-less the basis of the ESPN3 business model; I have no idea how that's faring. Despite the cable-t.v. and communications industry's massive investments in computer-and-other digital technology for image-processing and content-routing (i.e., switching networks), they continue to claim that genuine a-la-carte t.v. subscriptions are simply impossible for them to provide to customers. It's not just that I will never watch the NBA, MLS or NWSL (soccer), or Oprah, it's also that I want never to pay a bill that contains even allegedly miniscule network-wide subscriber fees (which of course add up quickly) for having such never-watched content available.
(Text above within brackets was inserted by this ITG member after his abridgment, for clarification to readers outside Central Florida.)
Continuing [†]:
I'm puzzled by the prediction by major-UCF-donor Dixon, to this effect:
• at a commuter-culture school;
• "education[ally]" noteworthy for its students' long-grumbled interpretation of the school initials (an allusion, I'm fairly certain, to its crowding): "U Can't Finish", and continuing excessive enrollment, on the principle of quantity-over-quality, of which its administration seems amazingly proud;
• "location" in a metropolitan area that's notorious for being near the bottom of the U.S.A. for per-capita wages;
• "location" in a metropolitan area whose growth is increasingly from nonassimilating insular Hispanics, whose publicly burdensome unscreened arrival has been accelerated by Hurricane Maria, and who, if they enhance any local sports markets, do so for soccer (but see "wages", above)--
despite all that--UCF, as explicitly compared to U. of "Florida", would be able to "match their offers" in "less than 5 years". Really!? Which of those significant UCF disadvantages would be eliminated in "less than 5 years"?
As a plausible future distinction of nearly-free-t.v. vs. podcast increasingly exemplifies the contrast of the college-football haves vs. have-nots, the "sure thing" exposure enjoyed by UF, FSU, and Miami will remain the clear goal for practically all of the athletic stars in the state's recruiting base, so those best-established schools are where nearly all of the state's best players will sign. The most credible favorable recruiting future would have UCF sharing a niche with USF as primary fall-back destinations, where they'll be pleased to find gems among underrated or overlooked recruits from time to time.
"Inevitable"!? Does UCF ever drug-test their athletics director? Or upon probable cause, maybe even their quotable big donors? If not, perhaps they should start doing so sooner rather than later.
I'm puzzled by the prediction by major-UCF-donor Dixon, to this effect:
• at a commuter-culture school;
• "education[ally]" noteworthy for its students' long-grumbled interpretation of the school initials (an allusion, I'm fairly certain, to its crowding): "U Can't Finish", and continuing excessive enrollment, on the principle of quantity-over-quality, of which its administration seems amazingly proud;
• "location" in a metropolitan area that's notorious for being near the bottom of the U.S.A. for per-capita wages;
• "location" in a metropolitan area whose growth is increasingly from nonassimilating insular Hispanics, whose publicly burdensome unscreened arrival has been accelerated by Hurricane Maria, and who, if they enhance any local sports markets, do so for soccer (but see "wages", above)--
despite all that--UCF, as explicitly compared to U. of "Florida", would be able to "match their offers" in "less than 5 years". Really!? Which of those significant UCF disadvantages would be eliminated in "less than 5 years"?
As a plausible future distinction of nearly-free-t.v. vs. podcast increasingly exemplifies the contrast of the college-football haves vs. have-nots, the "sure thing" exposure enjoyed by UF, FSU, and Miami will remain the clear goal for practically all of the athletic stars in the state's recruiting base, so those best-established schools are where nearly all of the state's best players will sign. The most credible favorable recruiting future would have UCF sharing a niche with USF as primary fall-back destinations, where they'll be pleased to find gems among underrated or overlooked recruits from time to time.
Scott Frost's (42 yrs old) supposed 'miminal' experience includes:
As some of us know, 42 is the answer to 'Life, the Universe, and Everything.'
In HS, 6,859 yds and 67 TD's passing, plus 4,278 yds and 72 TD's rushing. How strong was his arm? He won a Neb.State Championship in the Shot Put.
Stanford QB 2 yrs - Nebraska QB 2 yrs - A letterman all 4 years and a Unitas Golden Arm Finalist.
He was a Co-NC in 1997 with a 42 - 17 Orange Bowl win over Tenn/Manning. (I like him already)
He played for Bill Walsh at Stanford, and for Tom Osborne at Neb.
For a twist, he was drafted in the 3rd Rnd and played FS/ST's for 6 years on 4 different NFL teams.
In the NFL, he played for Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick, and Jon Gruden.
For a college coach, I'd say that he's about as 'rounded' in experience as you could possibily ask for.
As a College coach: (16 seasons)
Neb Grad Assist 2002-05
KanSt Grad Assist 2006
N.Iowa LB'ers 2007
N.Iowa Co-DC 2008 (3rd in FBS with 40 takeaways)
Ore 2009-12 WR's
Ore 2013-14 OC/QB's
While at Oregon he was a 2014 Broyles Award Finalist.
In 2015 he replaced George O'Leary as the new HC for UCF.
~ Did I mention WELL ROUNDED in his experience, as both a player and as a coach???
And lastly, he would already have the players on the roster right now to implement some form of a Spread offense.
Loaded at WR, TE, RB with more coming in the 2018 class.
QB's
Trask rsSo 6-5 239 4.6/40 - Thunder
Toney So 5-11 194 4.5/40 - Lightening
Allen rsFr 6-3 200 4.7/40
Corral Fr 6-2 196 4.7/40 Early Enrollee
And a couple of pretty good, young W-O QB.
Sproles 6-2 211 rsSo
Ruskell 6-2 195 rsFr
1 yr at Stanford
1 yr transfer - sat out
2 yrs at Nebraska
Incorrect...2 years stanford...transfer (redshirt) 2 years Nebraska.
As far as recruiting, I think you’d agree that Scott Frost and Ahman Green aren’t coming around every year. Certainly enough farm boys to fill up an offensive line consistently though. I think you can recruit enough to NU to win about on a Wisconsin level consistently, which is really good. Solich had it going at about that level for a while. But it’s obviously easier to recruit to Florida. I would like to see NU get it going again. Just not at the expense of UF. Frost would be a good fit there, because these spread running games are very similar to the triple option and I think NU lost its way a little bit when it got away from the running game.
I'm just curious on how consistent they could have stayed had they kept Solich. Callahan and all after we're worse than Solich.
Respectfully, your posting style continues to evolve into Insta Light. Very, very difficult to read. Brevity is good.
The 30 second attention spans need brevity. Most 4 year olds, and/or village idiots, do...
The 30 second attention spans need brevity. Most 4 year olds, and/or village idiots, do...
Sticking up for yourself errrr.... I mean separate poster with a similar style.
Or maybe you don't even realize that you're Compu, like in Fight Club.
What I want to know is what's up with the footnotes? Does Compu realize that the primary reason for footnote citations is so that readers can find and review the source material quoted or cited? And that on message boards, and on the internet in general, you can accomplish the same thing simply by dropping a link into your post? And that in fact Compu often does insert those links into his footnotes, which obviates the need for the footnote in the first place and leads to the inescapable conclusion that the only reason for using the footnotes is to put an unnecessary academic gloss on message board posts about college football?
This post would be better if it said the same exact thing, but you had to scroll down 5-7 times to finish reading it.
Needs completely random bold words as well.
Just sayin'.
This post would be better if it said the same exact thing, but you had to scroll down 5-7 times to finish reading it.
Needs completely random bold words as well.
Just sayin'.
TL - DNR ---
Concluding the cited article [†], at least for the time being, with thanks to ‘PacoGator’ for his segue:
"There’s no excuse" only to a writer who foolishly insists that football fans residing in Central Florida, but with no connection to UCF, have a more-or-less moral obligation to attend UCF athletic events. That ignores an inconvenient truth: Typical modern college-football fans in Central Florida would rather use whatever time they can spare as spectators on fall Saturdays to watch major-college games, e.g., Clemson vs. FSU, Auburn vs. Georgia, or (in typical years) UF vs. whomever. And typically in air-conditioned comfort on a big-screen t.v., whether in their own homes or at a favorite watering hole. That's instead of accepting the costs, subtropical discomfort, and other inconveniences to attend a relatively minor-college game locally. By which I do refer to UCF and its AAC.
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Note ††: Bianchi: "Commentary: UCF AD Danny White: Scott Frost will likely be back next year — if school and fans do their part" (Fri., "NOVEMBER 3, 6:05 PM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-ucf-smu-mike-bianchi-1104-story.html>.
Another "terrible crowd" for a "UCF game"? I'm shocked! But it was quantified in the local metropolitan daily:
But wait! Earlier in the article, readers were told that UCF was "creat[ing] excitement" and "win[ing] games". But in the previous weekend, Bianchi, writing while wearing his UCF-homer blinders [††], warned that continuing failure to even come close to filling the UCF home football stadium for its "excit[ing]" team might become a decisive consideration for Frost in deciding whether remaining head coach at UCF is best for his career & family. So did UCF fans take that warning to heart? This past Saturday, hosting U. of Connecticut (3--7), the UCF stadium was not even 2/3 full to cheer on the still-undefeated home team to its eventual 49--24 win (i.e., 29,384 attendance compared to capacity 44,206 = 66.5%).
"There’s no excuse" only to a writer who foolishly insists that football fans residing in Central Florida, but with no connection to UCF, have a more-or-less moral obligation to attend UCF athletic events. That ignores an inconvenient truth: Typical modern college-football fans in Central Florida would rather use whatever time they can spare as spectators on fall Saturdays to watch major-college games, e.g., Clemson vs. FSU, Auburn vs. Georgia, or (in typical years) UF vs. whomever. And typically in air-conditioned comfort on a big-screen t.v., whether in their own homes or at a favorite watering hole. That's instead of accepting the costs, subtropical discomfort, and other inconveniences to attend a relatively minor-college game locally. By which I do refer to UCF and its AAC.
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Note ††: Bianchi: "Commentary: UCF AD Danny White: Scott Frost will likely be back next year — if school and fans do their part" (Fri., "NOVEMBER 3, 6:05 PM"). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-ucf-smu-mike-bianchi-1104-story.html>.
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Daaang! I guess "school and fans" failed to "do their part".
Fox Sports Live (radio) is reporting the hiring of Scott Frost at Nebraska as "official". Anyone want the thankless task of finding a URL for Nebraska's or UCF's "official" athletics press releases or other announcements? The FSL report includes the claim of an "official" press conference "tomorrow", but whether in Orlando or Lincoln wasn't indicated (I assume the latter).
Maybe it's been corroborated by CBS on the half-time report on the SEC Championship t.v. broadcast?
UCF iocal game-broadcast sideline-reporter Jerry O'Neill (O'Neal?) called in a postgame report to Fox Sports Live (ca. 6:00 p.m.), saying that Scott Frost revealed his departure decision to his players in the locker room after the AAC Championship game today (ca. 5:30 p.m.). O'Neill also said that Frost began to reveal his decision to highly ranking staff of the UCF Athletic Dept. earlier this week.
Frost's rationalization was that he was--or felt--obligated to return to Nebraska, to satisfy personal pleas not only from his Nebraskan parents, but also from former Nebraska head football coach--still a statewide idol--Tom Osborne.
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Note ††: Mike Bianchi: "Commentary: UCF AD Danny White: Scott Frost will likely be back next year — if school and fans do their part" (Fri., "NOVEMBER 3, 6:05 PM", 2017). <http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/open-mike/os-sp-ucf-smu-mike-bianchi-1104-story.html>.
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