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[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I can just see all the criminals trying to carry out their crimes with knives instead of guns.

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Your goal is to reduce gun violence. The logical goal should be to reduce all forms of violence. Remove the guns, and sadly criminals just pick a new weapon.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

His democrat shines right through on this. He pretends he does not read the logic and ignores it.

The irony is, his logic of gun control simply spikes criminal behavior and gun violence. If he could look at this logically, he could clearly see that he advocates for more gun violence, not less.

But he's emotional about this issue and that clouds his judgment.

 

[GatorTheo]

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Your goal is to reduce gun violence. The logical goal should be to reduce all forms of violence. Remove the guns, and sadly criminals just pick a new weapon.

Good. I'm all for them relying on a new weapon.

I can just see the headlines: 10 people egged in Chicago over the weekend.

 

[GatorTheo]

The irony is, his logic of gun control simply spikes criminal behavior and gun violence. If he could look at this logically, he could clearly see that he advocates for more gun violence, not less.

But he's emotional about this issue and that clouds his judgment.

Ah yes.....the gun company motto: Less Guns Equals More Gun Violence. Buy More Guns Today!

I love that one!

 

[EvilWayz]

No comment on your gun nut bud suggesting removing criminals?

If you're talking about Ghost, gun nut maybe, buddy? Not effing ever.

Removing all criminals is highly unlikely.

But it's far more attainable than removing all the guns.

 

[EvilWayz]

I've been scuffing with gun nuts for years. They'll go with the 3D printer claim right along with the black market claims as far as allegedly never being able to reduce the number of guns in circulation.

If I wanted to I could make 8 untraceable lowers a day. I don't, but I could.

I feel like not enough people have sintered metal printers for this to be a valid concern.

I am curious how in the hell you would know if you made a reduction in the number of guns ON THE BLACK MARKET.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Good. I'm all for them relying on a new weapon.

Ok, so you just want to remove guns.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Your guys are the ones saying additional gun laws won't work because criminals will simply make guns with a 3D printer.

I've never heard anyone make a serious argument that 3D guns are the barrier to your solution.

The guns, the ones actually made in gun factories, that number in the hundreds of millions, that is the obstacle that your solution can NEVER overcome. Nor should it.

You want to approach this issue from two sides...and that is completely unnecessary and entirely foolhardy.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Ah yes.....the gun company motto: Less Guns Equals More Gun Violence. Buy More Guns Today!

I love that one!

It's not a slogan, it's logical thinking.

And we actually have a historical reference that proves this: Al Capone. The most notorious mobster and one of the most prolific serial killers in US history.

When the US made alcohol illegal, that led to bootlegging. Which led to organized crime. Which led to Al Capone and others like him.

Making guns illegal would be a boon to the gun-running industry. It would lead to a massive spike in gun violence because criminals would come up with new channels to make sure they were supplied with guns.

And at the same time, law-abiding citizens would have zero guns. So they would be totally defenseless and this would also contribute to a massive spike in gun violence.

Logical vs emotional thinking. I want to stop gun violence, you want to exacerbate it.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I can just see all the criminals trying to carry out their crimes with knives instead of guns.

Criminal: "Give me your wallet. Hey, come back here. Dammit....slow down!"

Yea...people can't commit crimes with knives. Excellent point. 🙄

My first ever murder case was with a knife btw. Ironically he was trying to run away when he was murdered.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I know you guys better than you know yourselves.

Right back at you.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Good. I'm all for them relying on a new weapon.

I can just see the headlines: 10 people egged in Chicago over the weekend.

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

<p>State officials blame the attack in Yunnan province on separatist 'terrorists.'</p>

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[BamaFan1137]

I feel like not enough people have sintered metal printers for this to be a valid concern.

Also...supply and demand.

If Theo is able to confiscate 200 million guns (big if here), would criminals need to 3D print guns or would the remaining 200 million guns still available suffice?

I think people with money, and no intent to rob/harm others outside of self-defense, would perhaps prefer the 3D printed option, however.

Either way, this solution certainly will not have solved a damn thing save disarming otherwise law-abiding people.

 

[gatordad3]

I know you guys better than you know yourselves.

Okay, El Guapo.


Start at the 6:52 mark.

 

[GatorTheo]

If you're talking about Ghost, gun nut maybe, buddy? Not effing ever.

Removing all criminals is highly unlikely.

But it's far more attainable than removing all the guns.

We're never going to accomplish either. That's why you work at it from both directions.

Fewer guns and fewer criminals.

 

[EvilWayz]

We're never going to accomplish either. That's why you work at it from both directions.

Fewer guns and fewer criminals.

You never answered my question about how you track the number of guns available on the black market.

 

[GatorTheo]

You never answered my question about how you track the number of guns available on the black market.

I have no idea. How do other countries do it?

I guess you could start by giving life sentences with no parole to anyone caught handling black market guns.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

We're never going to accomplish either. That's why you work at it from both directions.

Fewer guns and fewer criminals.

Which is why it's logical to focus on criminals. That focuses on gun violence at the same time.

Your way actually increases gun violence. Our way reduces it.

I think this is why a lot of people keep repeating common sense points to you: We were assuming you want to reduce gun violence just like we do.

Obviously we were confused, you would rather increase gun violence.

 

[EvilWayz]

I have no idea. How do other countries do it?

I don't care how other countries do it, you stated we haven't made a dent in the number of black market and I want to know how you could possibly know that.

I guess you could start by giving life sentences with no parole to anyone caught handling black market guns.

Now we're talking. If only the federal government prosecuted this more than 12% of the time.

 

[GatorTheo]

I don't care how other countries do it, you stated we haven't made a dent in the number of black market and I want to know how you could possibly know that.

Now we're talking. If only the federal government prosecuted this more than 12% of the time.

I said we haven’t made a dent in the black market? Are you sure I said that?

 

[NavigatorII]

I said we haven’t made a dent in the black market? Are you sure I said that?

We can't even get DAs to put dangerous criminals behind bars and keep them off the streets. How is taking protection away from the general populace going to solve the violent crime problem? You know it won't, you just can't admit it to yourself, much less us.

 

[EvilWayz]

I said we haven’t made a dent in the black market? Are you sure I said that?

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They'll go with the 3D printer claim right along with the black market claims as far as allegedly never being able to reduce the number of guns in circulation.

That's you right?

I don't know what the 3d printer claim is.
If I understand this rather poorly worded sentence, you're saying what exactly? What I got from this is it doesn't matter if legal guns are taken because black market gun circulation will increase? How would that work and how would anyone know?

 

[BamaFan1137]

I guess you could start by giving life sentences with no parole to anyone caught handling black market guns.

We rarely even do that for murderers today. So you would punish the gun holder more than the gun user?

When did logic become passé?

 

[GatorTheo]

We rarely even do that for murderers today. So you would punish the gun holder more than the gun user?

When did logic become passé?

Sorry, I'm not soft on criminals.

 

[GatorTheo]

Post #433
They'll go with the 3D printer claim right along with the black market claims as far as allegedly never being able to reduce the number of guns in circulation.

That's you right?

I don't know what the 3d printer claim is.
If I understand this rather poorly worded sentence, you're saying what exactly? What I got from this is it doesn't matter if legal guns are taken because black market gun circulation will increase? How would that work and how would anyone know?

Sorry if that was confusing.

What I was trying to communicate is that gun defenders will say efforts to reduce the number of guns will never work because of the black market and criminals being able to make guns with 3D printers.

 

[GatorTheo]

We can't even get DAs to put dangerous criminals behind bars and keep them off the streets. How is taking protection away from the general populace going to solve the violent crime problem? You know it won't, you just can't admit it to yourself, much less us.

As I've said many times, part of the solution has to be getting serious about dealing with criminals.

Also as I've said many times, I have no interest in taking protection away from responsible people.

Y'all only hear what you want to hear.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I've never heard anyone make a serious argument that 3D guns are the barrier to your solution.

The guns, the ones actually made in gun factories, that number in the hundreds of millions, that is the obstacle that your solution can NEVER overcome. Nor should it.

You want to approach this issue from two sides...and that is completely unnecessary and entirely foolhardy.

With 3-400 million REAL guns out there...he is bringing up 3D guns. This is just ONE more example of someone discussing guns that knows NOTHING about them..or the situation. He is 100% oblivious.

 

[EvilWayz]

Sorry if that was confusing.

What I was trying to communicate is that gun defenders will say efforts to reduce the number of guns will never work because of the black market and criminals being able to make guns with 3D printers.

The 3d printer argument is bullshit. Even with a CNC mill it wouldn't be worth it to do anything but make them for yourself, the reason that the big guys can do it is they buy material in bulk.

The part in bold however, is an incomplete thought. Black market guns from the finite supply of legal guns. There is a small but lucrative market in illegally imported guns from the middle east and Africa but you have to know someone unless you are mobbed up or part of the drug distribution network. You decrease the supply of legal guns, the black market share stays the samee.

Now from a replenishment standpoint.


For the most part, and my knowledge of economics is rudimentary, if the supply is reduced artificially, there will be an increase in demand followed by an increase in price. In my estimation this will lead to one or both of the following:

Criminals find out who has guns if that information is available, either thru public records or a careful bribery of a government employee and there will be a lot of burglaries so they can acquire guns to sell to people who can't afford to buy them legally. It will annoy the people who buy illegal guns already as the price will go up but it's business.

Or

A new supply chain will open up. It happened during prohibition, and guns are way easier to make than whiskey.

Before you start laughing there's a thriving trade in black market machine guns in Australia made by enterprising bikers. To my knowledge Aussies have never been able to legally own machine guns but I guess a draftsman, a machinist and a toolmaker got together at the pub one night and said I wonder.

 

[GatorTheo]

The 3d printer argument is bullshit. Even with a CNC mill it wouldn't be worth it to do anything but make them for yourself, the reason that the big guys can do it is they buy material in bulk.

The part in bold however, is an incomplete thought. Black market guns from the finite supply of legal guns. There is a small but lucrative market in illegally imported guns from the middle east and Africa but you have to know someone unless you are mobbed up or part of the drug distribution network. You decrease the supply of legal guns, the black market share stays the samee.

Now from a replenishment standpoint.


For the most part, and my knowledge of economics is rudimentary, if the supply is reduced artificially, there will be an increase in demand followed by an increase in price. In my estimation this will lead to one or both of the following:

Criminals find out who has guns if that information is available, either thru public records or a careful bribery of a government employee and there will be a lot of burglaries so they can acquire guns to sell to people who can't afford to buy them legally. It will annoy the people who buy illegal guns already as the price will go up but it's business.

Or

A new supply chain will open up. It happened during prohibition, and guns are way easier to make than whiskey.

Before you start laughing there's a thriving trade in black market machine guns in Australia made by enterprising bikers. To my knowledge Aussies have never been able to legally own machine guns but I guess a draftsman, a machinist and a toolmaker got together at the pub one night and said I wonder.

As far as the 3D printer argument goes......of course it's BS. I'm not making the argument. I'm telling you I've heard it multiple times from gun defenders.

As far as the active supply of guns, how do other countries avoid it? Why isn't France or Spain overrun with guns if it's so undefendable?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

As far as the 3D printer argument goes......of course it's BS. I'm not making the argument. I'm telling you I've heard it multiple times from gun defenders.

As far as the active supply of guns, how do other countries avoid it? Why isn't France or Spain overrun with guns if it's so undefendable?

Her is your democrat shining bright again. Let me explain about foreign countries. I DO NOT GIVE ONE CHIT about how foreign countries do ANYTHING. We are the United States of America, the GREATEST Country the earth has ever known. If YOU are such a snowflake, and want to live in a snowflake Country....MOVE to where you like it better! We will keep being who we are. OH..and lets ALL MAGA!!!! We will keep our guns..unless someone is brave enough to try to come get them. Gun debate OVER.

 

[GatorTheo]

Her is your democrat shining bright again. Let me explain about foreign countries. I DO NOT GIVE ONE CHIT about how foreign countries do ANYTHING. We are the United States of America, the GREATEST Country the earth has ever known. If YOU are such a snowflake, and want to live in a snowflake Country....MOVE to where you like it better! We will keep being who we are. OH..and lets ALL MAGA!!!! We will keep our guns..unless someone is brave enough to try to come get them. Gun debate OVER.

And that's totally fine if you don't care about foreign countries.

But, if you claim we are unable to accomplish something that many other countries are accomplishing, you should be able to explain the situation.

 

[NavigatorII]

As far as the 3D printer argument goes......of course it's BS. I'm not making the argument. I'm telling you I've heard it multiple times from gun defenders.

As far as the active supply of guns, how do other countries avoid it? Why isn't France or Spain overrun with guns if it's so undefendable?

The EU has pretty much rolled over and become cucks. Great Britain is slowly trying to walk back this shit, starting with Brexit.

Why Britain's 'Illegal Migration Bill' is so controversial

Britain's parliament introduced a new bill that would have migrants who enter the U.K. "promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country." This is, according to the government, a way of removing the "incentive" to travel across the English Channel to the U.K. in small boats.

news.yahoo.com

Before the nonsense started getting pushback, British "non assault knives". 😂

 

[Capt Ron 1]

And that's totally fine if you don't care about foreign countries.

But, if you claim we are unable to accomplish something that many other countries are accomplishing, you should be able to explain the situation.

UNABLE is not the question. You want a revolution...come TRY to take them with you sticks and knives that you love so much!

 

[GatorTheo]

UNABLE is not the question. You want a revolution...come TRY to take them with you sticks and knives that you love so much!

Unable is what some gun defenders are claiming. You're saying they are wrong?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Unable is what some gun defenders are claiming. You're saying they are wrong?

I am saying NO ONE is able to take our guns. Does that help? IT AINT EVER GONNA HAPPEN. This debate is over. Next subject. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is ALL that matters

 

[GatorTheo]

The EU has pretty much rolled over and become cucks. Great Britain is slowly trying to walk back this shit, starting with Brexit.

Why Britain's 'Illegal Migration Bill' is so controversial

Britain's parliament introduced a new bill that would have migrants who enter the U.K. "promptly removed, either to their home country or a safe third country." This is, according to the government, a way of removing the "incentive" to travel across the English Channel to the U.K. in small boats.

news.yahoo.com

Before the nonsense started getting pushback, British "non assault knives". 😂

What I'm trying to understand is how other civilized nations are able to stem the flood of guns when we, allegedly, cannot?

 

[NavigatorII]

Unable is what some gun defenders are claiming. You're saying they are wrong?

I don't think you understand why and what the Constitution is protecting. I really don't. It's not for protection, not for hunting, not for target shooting. Can you guess what it's for? Hitler and Stalin might be able to explain this better than I can.

 

[GatorTheo]

I am saying NO ONE is able to take our guns. Does that help? IT AINT EVER GONNA HAPPEN. This debate is over. Next subject. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is ALL that matters

You're talking about something else.....how brave and invincible you are.

I had been talking about how we would allegedly never be able to reduce our flood of guns.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

What I'm trying to understand is how other civilized nations are able to stem the flood of guns when we, allegedly, cannot?

Have you read the Constitution...mainly the 2nd amendment part? Only about 7% of our population wants to do that...and most of them are little snowflake types. They CANNOT make it happen! You going to try to come over to someones house and try to get their guns? LOL

 

[GatorTheo]

I don't think you understand why and what the Constitution is protecting. I really don't. It's not for protection, not for hunting, not for target shooting. Can you guess what it's for? Hitler and Stalin might be able to explain this better than I can.

Right, you don't need your guns for protection or food, you need them to fend off the jackbooted thugs.