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[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

America is flooded with guns. Far more than any other civilized nation.

America has gun violence rates in line with third world countries.

I can't help but put 2 and 2 together and realize we need to get guns under control.

And yes, we need to get criminals under control too. We can work on both.

I'm totally in favor of instant background checks, even (especially) at gun shows. Start putting people who illegally possess firearms in prison and stop with the no-bail catch and release nonsense, and that would go a long way to solving the problem.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I don't hate gun nuts. I agree with them on many issues. I just think they're helplessly under the gun company's mind control.

It's like they're making perfect sense until the topic turns to guns then their eyes get all glassy and they just start repeating the gun company bullet points over and over.

Yet if we focus all our attention on criminals and eliminate them, the gun violence issue takes care of itself.

You are focused on the behavior of law-abiding gun owners, when there is absolutely no logical reason why you should be.

Yet the behavior of the actual criminals that are actually committing the gun violence.....you only focus on that if someone else forces you to.

I know you can't see how crazy that sounds when you do this, but I promise you that others here can.

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

Was she really?

Absolutely. She even mentioned she was getting divorced and needed to get her finances in order prior to the divorce being finalized, and that was the main reason she doing it.

 

[GatorTheo]

And you'd be more comfortable if our violence was less reliant on guns? If sticks and knives took on that role, that would be an improvement?

Your position is a logic fail. I don't know how else to put that.

Would we be safer if half of the guns were replaced with sticks and knives? Is that a real question?

There's a reason criminals choose guns over sticks and knives.

This shouldn't be complicated.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Would we be safer if half of the guns were replaced with sticks and knives? Is that a real question?

There's a reason criminals choose guns over sticks and knives.

This shouldn't be complicated.

You focus on the weapon, we focus on the owner of the weapon.

Our way leads to actually reducing gun violence. Your way leads to reduced gun ownership by law-abiding citizens.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Would we be safer if half of the guns were replaced with sticks and knives? Is that a real question?

There's a reason criminals choose guns over sticks and knives.

This shouldn't be complicated.

If you have a magic wand, you can make this a reality. Short of that, you're screwed.

Illegal guns in the hands of criminals will NEVER go away. You can perhaps eliminate many of those criminals but the guns aren't something that you can legitimately eliminate. Ever. Regardless of the laws you pass.

And I seriously doubt that our violent crime rate would drop as your predicting even if you had the magic wand for guns.

 

[GatorTheo]

If you have a magic wand, you can make this a reality. Short of that, you're screwed.

Illegal guns in the hands of criminals will NEVER go away. You can perhaps eliminate many of those criminals but the guns aren't something that you can legitimately eliminate. Ever. Regardless of the laws you pass.

And I seriously doubt that our violent crime rate would drop as your predicting even if you had the magic wand for guns.

If that's true, how do other large, civilized countries manage not to be flooded with guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

 

[BamaFan1137]

Theo, you should shift your focus from eliminating guns to eliminating reliable guns...or simply promote less reliable guns.

That would actually help...because I've never seen an axe or a machete jam.

I kid...sort of. But I have pulled jammed guns off pissed of subjects.

 

[BamaFan1137]

If that's true, how do other large, civilized countries manage not to be flooded with guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

Because they never had guns to begin with. Their governments never allowed it.

I guess you could trade that magic wand in for a time machine???

 

[BamaFan1137]

If that's true, how do other large, civilized countries manage not to be flooded with guns?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

And if it isn't true, explain Russia as I've asked you to do several times now.

 

[GatorTheo]

You focus on the weapon, we focus on the owner of the weapon.

Our way leads to actually reducing gun violence. Your way leads to reduced gun ownership by law-abiding citizens.

That is not true (not that reality is a gun nut consideration).

I want to focus on guns AND criminals.

You only want to focus on criminals.

The extremist left only wants to focus on guns.

 

[GatorTheo]

Because they never had guns to begin with. Their governments never allowed it.

I guess you could trade that magic wand in for a time machine???

But they do have guns. Just no where near our numbers. Why aren't they flooded with black market guns or 3D printer guns like you people constantly mention?

 

[Capt Ron 1]

My political opinions are all over the place because I look at each issue individually. I don't feel obligated to agree with either 'side' on every issue.

I recognize that both criminals and guns cause problems for America so, the left thinks I'm extreme right and the right thinks I'm extreme left.

I guess there IS a way to settle this, Theo! LOL How many genders are there?

 

[GatorTheo]

And if it isn't true, explain Russia as I've asked you to do several times now.

What about Russia?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

That is not true (not that reality is a gun nut consideration).

I want to focus on guns AND criminals.

You only want to focus on criminals.

The extremist left only wants to focus on guns.

No, I just understand that if you solve the problem with criminals, you also solve the gun violence problem at the same time.

Logical thinking vs emotional thinking.

 

[GatorTheo]

No, I just understand that if you solve the problem with criminals, you also solve the gun violence problem at the same time.

Logical thinking vs emotional thinking.

Right. Gun nuts don't get emotional about guns at all.

 

[BamaFan1137]

But they do have guns. Just no where near our numbers. Why aren't they flooded with black market guns or 3D printer guns like you people constantly mention?

No, they don't have the guns. They never did.

3D printed guns...dude, seriously?

There are some estimates that Americans own 450 million guns. Maybe more. You will never squeeze that genie back into the bottle...even if you think you should, which you absolutely should not.

Deal with the criminals. Because they are the problem. And as unmanageable as that might seem, it's WAY more manageable than the guns themselves.

 

[BamaFan1137]

What about Russia?

Their murder rate is twice as high as our own.

Also, they have the gun laws that you want us to have.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Would we be safer if half of the guns were replaced with sticks and knives? Is that a real question?

There's a reason criminals choose guns over sticks and knives.

This shouldn't be complicated.

Of course it is...VERY easy for someone that can think for themselves. Let me educate you! Depends on WHO you take the guns away from, and replace them with sticks. If you take ALL criminals guns, and only let law abiding people have guns...it would make it MUCH, MUCH safer. However, if you want to take guns away from law abiding Americans...and let the criminals keep guns...then America gets WAY, WAY more dangerous. Now the funny part...YOU and other people who do not process thoughts well want to do EXACTLY the second part. How DUMB would that be? I mean you HAVE to admit that is plain BRAIN DEAD, Theo!

 

[BamaFan1137]

Right. Gun nuts don't get emotional about guns at all.

That was a dodge. You're avoiding the point. The criminal is the problem. Period.

You cannot come close to eliminating guns in this country. No law will ever change that.

You can put a major dent on those criminals, however.

The third option is to do nothing but complain about it.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Right. Gun nuts don't get emotional about guns at all.

CORRECT...we get emotional when some IDIOT threatens our Constitutional right to defend ourselves, and our loved ones. In fact...PISSED enough to fight for REAL would better describe that sentiment

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Right. Gun nuts don't get emotional about guns at all.

So let's try to look at this logically.....if you remove all the criminals from the US, how much gun violence is left?

Hint: This isn't a trick question. It's a logical one. Let's see if you can give a logical answer.

 

[GatorTheo]

No, they don't have the guns. They never did.

3D printed guns...dude, seriously?

There are some estimates that Americans own 450 million guns. Maybe more. You will never squeeze that genie back into the bottle...even if you think you should, which you absolutely should not.

Deal with the criminals. Because they are the problem. And as unmanageable as that might seem, it's WAY more manageable than the guns themselves.

Your guys are the ones saying additional gun laws won't work because criminals will simply make guns with a 3D printer. I agree it's a laughably stupid point for anyone to make.

Look.....let's be honest. The extreme right wants to protect guns and the extreme left wants to protect criminals.

The extreme right doesn't want tougher gun laws and the extreme left doesn't want tougher criminal laws.

I hope that there are enough rational moderates that we can begin to address both problems but maybe I'm dreaming.

 

[GatorTheo]

CORRECT...we get emotional when some IDIOT threatens our Constitutional right to defend ourselves, and our loved ones. In fact...PISSED enough to fight for REAL would better describe that sentiment

You said something correct at 12:51 PM on 3/15/2023.

Nice!

 

[EvilWayz]

but maybe I'm dreaming.

One can only hope.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Your guys are the ones saying additional gun laws won't work because criminals will simply make guns with a 3D printer. I agree it's a laughably stupid point for anyone to make.

Look.....let's be honest. The extreme right wants to protect guns and the extreme left wants to protect criminals.

The extreme right doesn't want tougher gun laws and the extreme left doesn't want tougher criminal laws.

I hope that there are enough rational moderates that we can begin to address both problems but maybe I'm dreaming.

NO ONE IN HISTORY has ever said this Theo. Your democrat part is shining bright here. We say taking law abiding peoples guns away is DUMBER than a rock...because criminals do not follow ANY gun laws to obtain, of keep guns. More gun laws mostly only DISARM law abiding people. Tell me your perfect law that keeps guns from criminals!!

 

[GatorTheo]

So let's try to look at this logically.....if you remove all the criminals from the US, how much gun violence is left?

Hint: This isn't a trick question. It's a logical one. Let's see if you can give a logical answer.

I think removing criminals would greatly reduce gun violence.

Of course, removing guns would totally end gun violence.

You kinda walked right into that one.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I hope that there are enough rational moderates that we can begin to address both problems but maybe I'm dreaming.

If we address the gun violence problem, how does that help with the criminal problem?

Yet addressing the criminal problem DOES also address the gun violence problem.

So logically, you put all your energy into targeting criminals. Because that addresses BOTH PROBLEMS.

Which is what you claim you want to do. Yet when this solution is offered, you balk and say nope let's start with guns.

That proves you aren't interested in dealing with the real problem, you just want to deal with guns.

 

[EvilWayz]

I think removing criminals would greatly reduce gun violence.

Of course, removing guns would totally end gun violence.

You kinda walked right into that one.

In this fever dream do you have a unicorn?

 

[GatorTheo]

NO ONE IN HISTORY has ever said this Theo. Your democrat part is shining bright here. We say taking law abiding peoples guns away is DUMBER than a rock...because criminals do not follow ANY gun laws to obtain, of keep guns. More gun laws mostly only DISARM law abiding people. Tell me your perfect law that keeps guns from criminals!!

I've been scuffing with gun nuts for years. They'll go with the 3D printer claim right along with the black market claims as far as allegedly never being able to reduce the number of guns in circulation.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I think removing criminals would greatly reduce gun violence.

Of course, removing guns would totally end gun violence.

You kinda walked right into that one.

Have you EVER considered if this was even possible? Because if it is, it gives me some BRILLIANT idea's! Lets make DRUGS illegal. How about MURDER? How about theft? Why have they never thought of this before??? Jesus, Theo...you are SO smart! What a GRAND idea!! LOLOLOL

Edit: PLEASE ell me you are just trolling here...and not this dumb? I mean...YOU kinda walked RIGHT IN TO THAT ONE, son

 

[GatorTheo]

In this fever dream do you have a unicorn?

No comment on your gun nut bud suggesting removing criminals?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I think removing criminals would greatly reduce gun violence.

Of course, removing guns would totally end gun violence.

You kinda walked right into that one.

You're exactly right, eliminating guns does eliminate gun violence.

The problem is, you didn't eliminate the criminals. So they will continue to commit violence, they will just pick a different tool.

No more violent gun deaths, now they are violent knife deaths.

But if you eliminate the criminals, you eliminate ALL VIOLENCE.

That's why you focus on the owner, not the weapon. This is just logical thinking.

 

[GatorTheo]

Have you EVER considered if this was even possible? Because if it is, it gives me some BRILLIANT idea's! Lets make DRUGS illegal. How about MURDER? How about theft? Why have they never thought of this before??? Jesus, Theo...you are SO smart! What a GRAND idea!! LOLOLOL

Edit: PLEASE ell me you are just trolling here...and not this dumb?

Of course removing all guns is impossible. Just like removing all criminals but I notice you didn't have a comment on that.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I've been scuffing with gun nuts for years. They'll go with the 3D printer claim right along with the black market claims as far as allegedly never being able to reduce the number of guns in circulation.

Well UNLIKE you...I know guns...and gun arguments. You are 100% FOS on this. (only 50% on most other stuff)

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Of course removing all guns is impossible. Just like removing all criminals but I notice you didn't have a comment on that.

Well since you mention this BS...why don't we give everyone wings so that they can just fly away from any danger to keep themselves safe? That makes the same amount of sense as you do. You are thick headed, and wrong.

 

[GatorTheo]

You're exactly right, eliminating guns does eliminate gun violence.

The problem is, you didn't eliminate the criminals. So they will continue to commit violence, they will just pick a different tool.

No more violent gun deaths, now they are violent knife deaths.

But if you eliminate the criminals, you eliminate ALL VIOLENCE.

That's why you focus on the owner, not the weapon. This is just logical thinking.

I can just see all the criminals trying to carry out their crimes with knives instead of guns.

Criminal: "Give me your wallet. Hey, come back here. Dammit....slow down!"

 

[GatorTheo]

Well UNLIKE you...I know guns...and gun arguments. You are 100% FOS on this. (only 50% on most other stuff)

I know you guys better than you know yourselves.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Of course removing all guns is impossible. Just like removing all criminals but I notice you didn't have a comment on that.

Let's again try tackling this issue logically.

Let's say we have one violent criminal, and one gun.

If we destroy the one gun, then the one violent criminal can NEVER use that one gun EVER AGAIN to commit gun violence.

If we eliminate that one violent criminal, that one violent criminal will NEVER again commit violence IN ANY FORM.

Obviously, if the goal is to reduce violence as a whole, you work on eliminating that one violent criminal.

If the goal is just to remove that one gun, then you focus on that one gun.

One goal has far more of a positive impact on society than the other one does.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Let's again try tackling this issue logically.

Let's say we have one violent criminal, and one gun.

If we destroy the one gun, then the one violent criminal can NEVER use that one gun EVER AGAIN to commit gun violence.

If we eliminate that one violent criminal, that one violent criminal will NEVER again commit violence IN ANY FORM.

Obviously, if the goal is to reduce violence as a whole, you work on eliminating that one violent criminal.

If the goal is just to remove that one gun, then you focus on that one gun.

One goal has far more of a positive impact on society than the other one does.

His democrat shines right through on this. He pretends he does not read the logic and ignores it.