I heard that over 50% of the freedom caucus support Mccarthy. This seems stupidity to me they are holding up the Republican takeover because of some personal issue with the nominee and then claim that their grandstanding is serving the people that elected them.
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It's amazing to me how many people on the right are upset about this. As if they had no idea that politics is about making concessions."Over the past decade, the House has grown increasingly autocratic. Rank and file members are routinely denied a chance to participate in the legislative process, committees are ignored, deals and loopholes for interests abound, and there is virtually no amendment process for any bills, large or small," the group continued.
"The outcome reflects the process: bills that cater to a handful of members in leadership and K Street lobbyists, but ignore the priorities of the voters," they added.
The group noted that the House members rejecting McCarthy had "made public a series of proposed reforms designed to democratize the House – to engage the broader membership in legislating, and bring accountability back to the People’s House," but McCarthy rejected those proposals.
"Rather than engage them in a good faith negotiation, Rep. Kevin McCarthy has instead maligned both the requests and the messengers," the group claimed. "He has publicly and through proxies leveled attacks against members of his own party, including threatening to deny committee assignments for those who continue to oppose him."
Ginni Thomas, Ed Meese and others out with the long knives.
Conservative heavyweights call for new House GOP leadership after McCarthy failed to clinch House speaker
A group of nearly 50 conservative heavyweights co-signed a statement Wednesday supporting lawmakers who voted against Kevin McCarthy in his bid for House speaker.www.foxnews.com
The only issue I have is that it wasn't settled weeks or months ago. This should have never dragged out to this point. It sounds like McCarthy was being a hardass about concessions, so the FC members decided to embarrass him by holding out votes. And likely to prove a point that he needs to take them more seriously.
McCarthy will be named Speaker, maybe as soon as tomorrow. But the fact that it's dragged out this long is mostly on him. He wants to be the leader, well the leader is responsible for having his party's ducks in a row before the voting starts.
Wikipedia (I know, I know), lists 54 current members of the FC, and I believe 20 of them did not vote for McCarthy today.
I've always preferred the autonomy of nights plus interaction with the public. My dislike if humanity is what prompted my crossover to corrections, where the customer is always wrong.
Day 3 is underway. Incoming freshman John James, who I like a lot, is currently nominating McCarthy.
Jefferies and Byron Donalds nominated as well.
Donalds being nominated again suggests the 7th vote may go to same way.
To recap, the vote totals from yesterdays votes were;
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 201
Donalds - 20
Present - 1
So any variation from those totals will be interesting.
Here's the live feed:
Jefferies and Byron Donalds nominated as well.
Donalds being nominated again suggests the 7th vote may go to same way.
To recap, the vote totals from yesterdays votes were;
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 201
Donalds - 20
Present - 1
So any variation from those totals will be interesting.
Here's the live feed:
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I hate to say this but I'm afraid that some of our fellow Repubs are as stupid and self-serving as our liberal Demoncrats make them out to be.
This is like saying Washington is broken so I'm gonna cut off my arm. I'm not sure that is going to fix Washington.
MIdway through 7th vote and Donalds already has enough votes to force an 8th vote.
Jeffries has 212 votes. So if McCarthy loses 5 votes, he can't win. Donalds has been getting 20 and 1 former McCarthy voter started voting Present yesterday.
So McCarthy needs to pick up 17 votes.
The only options are getting the Freedom Caucus to go all in on supporting McCarthy, or get enough dems to vote for him.
As we all know, dems won't do that, their sheep supporters would never forgive them. And it seems unlikely the FC will switch to McCarthy without serious concessions from him, that so far he seems unwilling to give.
Someone has to either blink, otherwise we could be going through this for a LOOOOOOOONG time.
Jeffries has 212 votes. So if McCarthy loses 5 votes, he can't win. Donalds has been getting 20 and 1 former McCarthy voter started voting Present yesterday.
So McCarthy needs to pick up 17 votes.
The only options are getting the Freedom Caucus to go all in on supporting McCarthy, or get enough dems to vote for him.
As we all know, dems won't do that, their sheep supporters would never forgive them. And it seems unlikely the FC will switch to McCarthy without serious concessions from him, that so far he seems unwilling to give.
Someone has to either blink, otherwise we could be going through this for a LOOOOOOOONG time.
At this point there is no option other than McCarthy. That's why the FC is withholding their votes.
If doing so put a dem in a position to win, they wouldn't be doing it.
This is all posturing and pouting in public, by both McCarthy and the FC. It ends when someone blinks.
And we have our first surprise of the 3rd day.....a vote for Donald J Trump.
EDIT: It was Gaetz.
EDIT: It was Gaetz.
I am sick of Gaetz. Hope he gets primaried. He sounds like a bitter angry person when he speaks.
My guess is he is doing this cause he caught some flak over his tweets about Trump yesterday. But it makes him look bad for dropping support of Donalds.
Vote totals for 7th vote:
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 201
Donalds - 19
Trump - 1
Present - 1
So same as yesterday, with Gaetz vote for Donalds going to Trump.
Now we decide if we go straight to the 8th vote or not.
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 201
Donalds - 19
Trump - 1
Present - 1
So same as yesterday, with Gaetz vote for Donalds going to Trump.
Now we decide if we go straight to the 8th vote or not.
They should recess and hammer out a deal in private. But they won't do that, they will drag this out for camera time then go on the news shows in Prime Time to talk about it.
It's totally self-serving at this point for all of them involved.
BOOM! Matt Gaetz Votes for DONALD JOHN TRUMP for Speaker at the House
Kevin McCarthy just lost the vote for House Speaker for the SEVENTH TIME. And Rep. Matt Gaetz just voted for DONALD JOHN TRUMP for House Speaker. Thank you, Rep. Gaetz! Liberal heads are about to explode in 3… 2… 1… Noticias Rafapal, [5 de ene de 2023 a las 11:54 AM]BREAKING: Matt Gaetz...
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8th vote about to start, McCarthy has been nominated, Jeffries is now.
RUMOR MILL: Trump has said he would accept the Speakership if he wins it.
EDIT: Andy Biggs nominating Byron Donalds now.
RUMOR MILL: Trump has said he would accept the Speakership if he wins it.
EDIT: Andy Biggs nominating Byron Donalds now.
In 8th vote, Boebert switches her vote from Donalds to Kevin Hearn, a rep from OU.
Hearn picked up another vote from someone, Gaetz again voted for Trump.
Bad look for FC members to drop Donalds. Don't pick him up if you aren't going to carry him.
Hearn picked up another vote from someone, Gaetz again voted for Trump.
Bad look for FC members to drop Donalds. Don't pick him up if you aren't going to carry him.
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I think heathy debate is good and actually how it’s suppose to be….. but this has become ridiculous and personal with some of these clowns With NO end game.
Devine Nunez said subpoenas should have been sent out yesterday and we will be months behind if they don't wrap this up this week.
Last vote count was the ELEVENTH, and McCarthy has lost another vote. But looks like it's simply someone that didn't show up to vote.
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 200
Donalds - 12
Hern - 7
Trump -1
Present - 1
Jeffries - 212
McCarthy - 200
Donalds - 12
Hern - 7
Trump -1
Present - 1
Gaetz is a idiot.
Trumps not going to speaker as much as that would be fun.
They're cutting a deal and putting in writing for the approval of many of the 20 hold outs. That cull the heard down to a few knuckleheads
Republicans finally unite to vote for.....quitting for the night. They will return tomorrow at noon EST.
BTW think about what this thread is: 3 pages now of conservatives posters, who agree with each other 99% of the time....arguing.
Some here want McCarthy to get his way. Some want the FC to get their way. Some just want SOMEONE to be voted in as Speaker so we can get on with this.
The point is, conservatives are free-thinkers. We can form our own opinions.
I've been posting here for almost 7 years. I have NEVER seen a SINGLE thread like this from the dem posters here. I've never seen them disagreeing with each other, thinking for themselves. The closest I've ever seen is the rare criticism of Hiden, which is immediately followed with some variation of 'but Trump is worse!'.
Take notes, libs: This is what intelligent adults do. We disagree, we debate.
We think for ourselves. Try it sometime.
Some here want McCarthy to get his way. Some want the FC to get their way. Some just want SOMEONE to be voted in as Speaker so we can get on with this.
The point is, conservatives are free-thinkers. We can form our own opinions.
I've been posting here for almost 7 years. I have NEVER seen a SINGLE thread like this from the dem posters here. I've never seen them disagreeing with each other, thinking for themselves. The closest I've ever seen is the rare criticism of Hiden, which is immediately followed with some variation of 'but Trump is worse!'.
Take notes, libs: This is what intelligent adults do. We disagree, we debate.
We think for ourselves. Try it sometime.
Well I like the "knuckleheads." I like grenade throwers. I like gridlock. Sorry Nail but I like me some Gaetz. He might be a modern version of John Adams. Obviously less virtuous but with the acerbic speech and irritating manners.
I have to say that it does irritate me that the pubs fight each other with more intensity than they ever take on democrats or their agenda.
But in the end I am agnostic about the whole affair of who the speaker is. I do like what the "knuckleheads" say their goals are as far as rules reform.
We do need to purge ourselves of RINOs but it will take a while. In the meantime calling people like Crenshaw a RINO or him calling others terrorist is not helpful. That's the real problem with this and not the sausage making needed to cut the final deal. Keep the public debate civil and knock the hell out of each other behind closed doors.
Look MTG and Boebert are solid conservatives. Attacking either for exercising their right to vote for speaker is nonsense that does us no good.
124 votes left to break the record!
I have to say that it does irritate me that the pubs fight each other with more intensity than they ever take on democrats or their agenda.
But in the end I am agnostic about the whole affair of who the speaker is. I do like what the "knuckleheads" say their goals are as far as rules reform.
We do need to purge ourselves of RINOs but it will take a while. In the meantime calling people like Crenshaw a RINO or him calling others terrorist is not helpful. That's the real problem with this and not the sausage making needed to cut the final deal. Keep the public debate civil and knock the hell out of each other behind closed doors.
Look MTG and Boebert are solid conservatives. Attacking either for exercising their right to vote for speaker is nonsense that does us no good.
124 votes left to break the record!
Interesting read...this sort of thing led to the end of the Whigs and the rise of the GOP.
BTW I have an idea for the future...if you dont win after 5 ballots you can not be nominated again until 5 more ballots etc. Jefferies and MC would be disqualified for votes 6-10 and disqualified for 16-20 etc.
If this was the rule then Jordan or Donalds would already be speaker as the pro-MC would have to move on or dig in like the 20 holdouts. My bet is that most would move on if allowed by not having MC on the ballot.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/1793-2023-an-overview-of-contested-speaker-elections
BTW I have an idea for the future...if you dont win after 5 ballots you can not be nominated again until 5 more ballots etc. Jefferies and MC would be disqualified for votes 6-10 and disqualified for 16-20 etc.
If this was the rule then Jordan or Donalds would already be speaker as the pro-MC would have to move on or dig in like the 20 holdouts. My bet is that most would move on if allowed by not having MC on the ballot.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/1793-2023-an-overview-of-contested-speaker-elections
I like the idea of limiting the number of times you can be nominated, it forces compromise. I'd say the first vote is a freebie, anyone can be nominated just to gauge interest. After the first vote, then everyone is on the clock: You can be nominated at most THREE times, and if you lose 3 times, you are done.
If we had some limit on number of nominations, how many votes do you think we would have had by now? 2? 3?
And we would likely have a speaker in place. I still maintain that half of the reason why they are continuing to have the same vote over and over is to simply get exposure. They know MSM is covering the votes live, and they are getting air time.
If the goal was the Will of the People, they wouldn't vote till a deal had been done and that would be it.
BTW a reminder: The Supreme Court is set to decide within the next few days (possibly today) if it will hear the Brunson vs Adams case.
IF the SC agrees to hear that case and IF the SC rules in favor of Brunson, then this isn't a vote for the next Speaker of the House, it's a vote for the NEXT PRESIDENT.
I'm wondering if any FC members are wanting to stall the vote today to see what the SC does?
EDIT: Seeing chatter on the Twitters that the decision on Brunson v Adams will be made today by the SC, but announced on Monday.
IF the SC agrees to hear that case and IF the SC rules in favor of Brunson, then this isn't a vote for the next Speaker of the House, it's a vote for the NEXT PRESIDENT.
I'm wondering if any FC members are wanting to stall the vote today to see what the SC does?
EDIT: Seeing chatter on the Twitters that the decision on Brunson v Adams will be made today by the SC, but announced on Monday.
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Day 4 begins with a prayer to God, and the Pledge of Allegiance to the US flag. So dems are gonna be pissed straight out of the gate.
McCarthy has been nominated, and Day 4 is underway.
First vote will likely be where we have any movement today, if we do.
First vote will likely be where we have any movement today, if we do.
Let's be honest, Trump being elected Speaker on the 2 year anniversary of Jan 6th would be absolutely perfect.
About a third of the way through the 12th vote, and we can already see there will have to be a 13th vote.
However, we are starting to see some FC defections. 3 so far, including Byron Donalds, who switched to McCarthy. He'll need a lot more than that, we'll see what the final total for this vote looks like.
However, we are starting to see some FC defections. 3 so far, including Byron Donalds, who switched to McCarthy. He'll need a lot more than that, we'll see what the final total for this vote looks like.
What we all should start to worry about the longer this drags out is RINOs deciding to jump ship and vote for Hakeem.
That's not gonna happen. There's a TON of defections to McCarthy in this first vote.
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