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Again, we offer all the same kids as UGa, Bama, tOSU, MeatChicken and F$U. Its not like we aren't trying to get these kids.

And it looks like with a perfect finish Mac could get us to 12th nationally. But that requires flipping some already committed kids and landing 5* DT Solomon. So its a long shot to even get to 12th

I don't even care about the national numbers that much but if you aren't at least coming in 5th in your own conference in numbers of blue chippers brought in you won't have long term success. Lately it takes about a top 10 national ranking to do that.
 
I don't even care about the national numbers that much but if you aren't at least coming in 5th in your own conference in numbers of blue chippers brought in you won't have long term success. Lately it takes about a top 10 national ranking to do that.

Well UGa, Bama and FSU (not a conference foe but play them every year) are all finishing inside the top 5.

We are not able to catch Auburn or TAMU

We might be able to pass UTn if we finish strong

We should pass USCe.

Not looking good
 
Sounds like we might pick up a couple more 4 star O linemen before its over which is great but we are in real bad need of D linemen.
 
Could be hype but a lot of people seem to think we finish well. If we do I won't really care what the ranking is especially if we get some o-linemen and DT's in here.
 
Could be hype but a lot of people seem to think we finish well. If we do I won't really care what the ranking is especially if we get some o-linemen and DT's in here.

Looking like we will finish real well at OL. Going to be tough to get any top DT. And honestly DB could become a concern if Blades flips which is expected. We are also trying real hard to het a QB now
 
FYI -- 247 Sports - UF's Composite Recruit Class Rankings

2017 - 19. - currently with 15 commits - 7 **** (about 33 days til NSD)

2016 - 12. - 25, 9 ****

2015 - 21. - 21, 2 *****, 3 ****

(Willie's last class was in the 90's with only 6-7 commits when Mc arrived)
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2014 - 9. - 24, 1 *****, 8 ****
(recruiting was already falling off under musclecramp)

2013 - 3. - 28, 2 *****, 14 ****

2012 - 4. - 23, 2 *****, 13 ****

2011 - 11. - 19, 1 *****, 11 ****
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2010 - 1. - 28, 5 *****, 17 **** (Meyer's last class)

2009 - 7. - 18, 4 *****, 7 ****

2008 - 6. - 22, 2 *****, 12 ****

Only 1 of Meyer's last 3 classes were Top 5's.
Only 2 of musclecramp's 4 classes were Top 5's.
So 4 of the last 7 classes were not in the Top 5.
Over the 7 years prior to Mc-staff arriving, UF averaged a 41/7 = #6 class (5.8)

The previous 5 years before Mc-staff arrives, UF was a combined 37-26, (7-5 W/L Ave.).

Mc is digging out of a pretty deep chit-hole. He wins the SECe his 1st two season and CoY once, but that's just terrible in the estimation of the freakin' 'entitled' Gator fans.... :rolleyes:

The rest of us think that he's made a decent start, considering the downward spiral that the Gator's were in when he got here. Least anyone forget, he has exceeded the projections for the team in both of his first 2 years. o_O (but no good deed goes unpunished) :oops:

Now, if he and Nuss can't coach up one of the 3 2017 QB's, (Franks, Trask, Allen), then Mc needs to quickly hire someone that can coach up the QB's. :cool:

* And if I was any of those 3 QB's and they bring in another xfer/retread QB instead, then I'd xfer outta there so fast that it would make Mc-Nuss's head spin like a top.... :mad:
 
Meyer was a beast.

Janoris Jenkins was a 3 time loser, twice in just a couple of monthis after the musclecramp arrived. When that got him dismissed from the team before his Sr year, his comment went something like this: "If Meyer was still here, I'd still be on the team..." o_O (likely correct)
(And least you forget, AH was another of Meyer's prodigy's..)

I'll give him that he could recruit football talent, but OMG :eek: on some of the characters...
The musclecramp had to begin by dumping about a dozen of Meyers picks, and then clamping down on several of those that managed to remain.
 
FYI -- 247 Sports - UF's Composite Recruit Class Rankings

2017 - 19. - currently with 15 commits - 7 **** (about 33 days til NSD)

2016 - 12. - 25, 9 ****

2015 - 21. - 21, 2 *****, 3 ****

(Willie's last class was in the 90's with only 6-7 commits when Mc arrived)
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2014 - 9. - 24, 1 *****, 8 ****
(recruiting was already falling off under musclecramp)

2013 - 3. - 28, 2 *****, 14 ****

2012 - 4. - 23, 2 *****, 13 ****

2011 - 11. - 19, 1 *****, 11 ****
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2010 - 1. - 28, 5 *****, 17 **** (Meyer's last class)

2009 - 7. - 18, 4 *****, 7 ****

2008 - 6. - 22, 2 *****, 12 ****

Only 1 of Meyer's last 3 classes were Top 5's.
Only 2 of musclecramp's 4 classes were Top 5's.
So 4 of the last 7 classes were not in the Top 5.
Over the 7 years prior to Mc-staff arriving, UF averaged a 41/7 = #6 class (5.8)

The previous 5 years before Mc-staff arrives, UF was a combined 37-26, (7-5 W/L Ave.).

Mc is digging out of a pretty deep chit-hole. He wins the SECe his 1st two season and CoY once, but that's just terrible in the estimation of the freakin' 'entitled' Gator fans.... :rolleyes:

The rest of us think that he's made a decent start, considering the downward spiral that the Gator's were in when he got here. Least anyone forget, he has exceeded the projections for the team in both of his first 2 years. o_O (but no good deed goes unpunished) :oops:

Now, if he and Nuss can't coach up one of the 3 2017 QB's, (Franks, Trask, Allen), then Mc needs to quickly hire someone that can coach up the QB's. :cool:

* And if I was any of those 3 QB's and they bring in another xfer/retread QB instead, then I'd xfer outta there so fast that it would make Mc-Nuss's head spin like a top.... :mad:

And on the recruiting trail Mac is digging a pretty big shit hole for the next guy to get out of. But you'll see that next year on defense when there is only a handful of Chump guys left.
 
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Locksley will push the envelope and maybe get a quality flip or two. Just need to make sure he does not push it too far.
 
yea, because we won't get away with it like bama. They would have a twitter feed of our bag man
 
Finish Big??? How about just finish hard with what's available.... :rolleyes:
Out for the Bowl game: o_O

Defensive Coordinator Geoff Collins - He took the HC job at Temple
FS Marcus Maye rsSr - AA
ILB Jarrad Davis Sr - 60 Tkl's
ILB Alex Anzalone rsJr - 59 Tkl's
ILB David Reese Fr (he played great until wrist surgery)
Randy Shannon is now the DC
The 'defensive quality control specialist' Mark DeBastiani is now coaching the LB'ers.

Highly Questionable for the Bowl:
SS Nick Wahsington rsJr
DE Bryan Cox rsSr
If all 6 those guys don't play, then the Gators will be minus 5 of their top 6 tacklers.

LB'ers for the Bowl:
Kaylan Johnson rsFr -- Daniel McMillian Sr
Vosean Joseph Fr -- Christian Garcia rsJr Walk-on
Also, WR/PR/ST's Chris Thompson has been working at DB this week, to be ready if needed in the Gator secondary. At least Nic/DB Duke Dawson is back available.

The Gator's defensive secondary is mostly intact. However, with so many injuries in the defensive front 7, the Gators are trying to make adjustments against an Iowa offense that likes to run first, pass second.

SS Quincy Wilson Jr and LT David Sharp Jr are the only Gators to start all 12 games this season. :eek: (injuries again,,, jus-damn!)
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Some of the Gator's remaining recruiting targets:

OT T.J. Moore -- Committed 12-25-16
Recruits in Orlando this week for the UA-AA Game.
WR Daquon Green - Committed 7-25-15
DE LaBryan Ray - Madison, Ala
WR James Robinson - Lakeland, FL
CB/RB C.J. Henderson - Miami, FL - (maybe the next pic-6 star for DB-U?)
LB Levi Jones - Austin, TX
OT Kai-Leon Herbert - Fort Lauderdale, FL

Day Dreamin'... :cool:
Can you imagine a 5-wide set with Callaway, Cleveland, Green, & Robinson, with either Powell or Massey in the slot? OMG :eek:

Note: The only thing keeping Florida HS's #1 RB from still being a commit right now is a qualifying ACT score. IF/when he gets that, he will be right back in the 2017 class. He has spent the last two months at a secondary school to get his academics in order. He was spotted this week at UF's bowl practice in Tampa.
 
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I hope its true we have two 4 star O linemen that will be on our list soon. We need DTs real bad.
 
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Finish Big??? How about just finish hard with what's available.... :rolleyes:
Out for the Bowl game: o_O

Defensive Coordinator Geoff Collins - He took the HC job at Temple
FS Marcus Maye rsSr - AA
ILB Jarrad Davis Sr - 60 Tkl's
ILB Alex Anzalone rsJr - 59 Tkl's
ILB David Reese Fr (he played great until wrist surgery)
Randy Shannon is now the DC
The 'defensive quality control specialist' Mark DeBastiani is now coaching the LB'ers.

Highly Questionable for the Bowl:
SS Nick Wahsington rsJr
DE Bryan Cox rsSr
If all 6 those guys don't play, then the Gators will be minus 5 of their top 6 tacklers.

LB'ers for the Bowl:
Kaylan Johnson rsFr -- Daniel McMillian Sr
Vosean Joseph Fr -- Christian Garcia rsJr Walk-on
Also, WR/PR/ST's Chris Thompson has been working at DB this week, to be ready if needed in the Gator secondary. At least Nic/DB Duke Dawson is back available.

The Gator's defensive secondary is mostly intact. However, with so many injuries in the defensive front 7, the Gators are trying to make adjustments against an Iowa offense that likes to run first, pass second.

SS Quincy Wilson Jr and LT David Sharp Jr are the only Gators to start all 12 games this season. :eek: (injuries again,,, jus-damn!)
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Some of the Gator's remaining recruiting targets:

OT T.J. Moore -- Committed 12-25-16
Recruits in Orlando this week for the UA-AA Game.
WR Daquon Green - Committed 7-25-15
DE LaBryan Ray - Madison, Ala
WR James Robinson - Lakeland, FL
CB/RB C.J. Henderson - Miami, FL - (maybe the next pic-6 star for DB-U?)
LB Levi Jones - Austin, TX
OT Kai-Leon Herbert - Fort Lauderdale, FL

Day Dreamin'... :cool:
Can you imagine a 5-wide set with Callaway, Cleveland, Green, & Robinson, with either Powell or Massey in the slot? OMG :eek:

Note: The only thing keeping Florida HS's #1 RB from still being a commit right now is a qualifying ACT score. IF/when he gets that, he will be right back in the 2017 class. He has spent the last two months at a secondary school to get his academics in order. He was spotted this week at UF's bowl practice in Tampa.


First off five-wide is not in the vocabulary of Mac or Nuss.

Levi Jones will be a Nole and Robinson is coming, but with baggage (you know, like Chip Kelly). LeBryan Ray is going to Bama. Henderson looks to be a Gator but will simply be a replacement for Blades who is going to UsCw or Nebraska.
 
First off five-wide is not in the vocabulary of Mac or Nuss.

Levi Jones will be a Nole and Robinson is coming, but with baggage (you know, like Chip Kelly). LeBryan Ray is going to Bama. Henderson looks to be a Gator but will simply be a replacement for Blades who is going to UsCw or Nebraska.

OMG, If, and I say IF they lose CB Blades, the class is totally destroyed... :rolleyes:

CB/Nic Duke Dawson Sr
CB Joseph Putu Sr
CB Chris Williamson Jr
CB C.J. McWillaims So
CB McArthur Burnett So
CB Jeawon Taylor rsFr
FS Marcell Harris rsSr
SS Nick Washington rsSr
FS Quincey Lenton rsFr
Plus another half dozen pretty good WO DB's.
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CB Marco Wilson Fr
CB Shawn Davis Fr
CB Elijah Blades Fr
CB Kadarius Toney Fr
CB Henderson - ?maybe?

And can I borrow that flawless crystal ball you're using, I need the lotto numbers? :rolleyes:

You drivel outta your butt more than anyone else on this board on what you think that you know, with your W-A-G speculations always stated as 'fro-sho' facts. (Mis-chit-clueless) :D
 
Sounding like some people think Leatherwood is about to flip to us. Mac may pull a real top class after all. Maybe he can get this show going if we can find a QB on the roster.
 
Less than a month until NSD, bowls are all over, and nothing to post in the recruiting thread the last ten days? That alone is a bad sign.
 
Open Ships for 2017 = 24 -- (offered, not yet committed)

QB Jake Allen 6-3 210 - Ft Lauderdale

RB Malik Davis 5-11 185 - Tampa

? RB Adarius Lemons 6-1 194 - Clearwater (still needs ACT score)

WR Daquon Green 6-1 186 - Tampa

WR James Robinson IV 6-3 200 - Lakeland

TE-H Kemore Gamble 6-4 220 - Miami

TE-Y Zech Byrd 6-6 240 - Millbrook, Ala

OL Kadeem Telfort 6-7 310 - Miami

OL T.J. Moore 6-6 285 6-6 280 - Charlotte, NC

? OL Kai-Leon Herbert 6-4 285 - Plantation,FL (a possible flip from Mich)

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Ath Kadarius Toney 6-0 177 Prichard, Ala (QB/DB/RB/WR) ???
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DB Marco Wilson 6-0 180 - Plantation

DB Elijah Blades 6-2 170 Pasadena, Ca

DB Shawn Davis 6-0 190 - Miami

? DB C.J. Henderson 6-1 179 - Miami

? DB Brad Stewart 6-1 194 - N.O. LA

? DB Brian Edwards

LB James Houston IV 6-1 226 - Plantation EE

LB Ventrell Miller 6-0 227 - Lakeland

? LB Levi Jones 6-3 215 - Austin, Tx

? LB Nick Smith


DL Zachary Carter 6-5 251 - Tampa

DL Kyree Campbell 6-5 320 - Woodbridge, Va EE

? DL Tedarrell Slaton 6-5 353 - Plantation Army-AA

? DL Tyrone Tuesdell 6-3 324 - Augusta, Ga
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Gator QB battles over the coming 8 months will include:
Franks - Trask - Allen - Toney -- Sproles W-O - LDR
If Mc-Nuss can't 'whisper' one or more of those 4 guys into a great QB,,, then... :mad:
 
And can I borrow that flawless crystal ball you're using, I need the lotto numbers? :rolleyes:

You drivel outta your butt more than anyone else on this board on what you think that you know, with your W-A-G speculations always stated as 'fro-sho' facts. (Mis-chit-clueless) :D

This is some serious sass going on.
 
Not that you have a clue or matter at all....

What's the difference between chit and shinola? :confused:

UL's Heisman QB Lamar Jackson has said he almost came to UF.
Heisman runnrer up and NC QB Deshaun Watson wanted to come to UF to play for Meyer. :oops:

Hey, next guy, IF you truly want to be a Gator and have a future part of the Gator Nation, then sign the LOI. And if not, then be happy as Gatorbait elsewhere, for the rest of your life. :p
We don't give out any points or respect for claiming you wanted to be a Gator... o_O

And all of the negative (not a Top 5-10 recruiting class) posters need this podcast:
Clemson’s Dabo Swinney has signed only 2 Top-10 classes in his 8 years at Clemson — yet the Tigers are now national champions. :cool:https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-gators-recruiting-clemson-dabo-swinney-jim-mcelwain
 
Not that you have a clue or matter at all....

What's the difference between chit and shinola? :confused:

UL's Heisman QB Lamar Jackson has said he almost came to UF.
Heisman runnrer up and NC QB Deshaun Watson wanted to come to UF to play for Meyer. :oops:

Hey, next guy, IF you truly want to be a Gator and have a future part of the Gator Nation, then sign the LOI. And if not, then be happy as Gatorbait elsewhere, for the rest of your life. :p
We don't give out any points or respect for claiming you wanted to be a Gator... o_O

And all of the negative (not a Top 5-10 recruiting class) posters need this podcast:
Clemson’s Dabo Swinney has signed only 2 Top-10 classes in his 8 years at Clemson — yet the Tigers are now national champions. :cool:https://www.seccountry.com/florida/florida-gators-recruiting-clemson-dabo-swinney-jim-mcelwain

Um...if the staff doesn't go after then, and especially if they don't fit the scheme, you're saying that these kids should forget about that and go to Florida anyway?

Should a Derrick Henry type running back who grew up a Texas Tech fan turn down Alabama because he's a TTU fan?

How does that make sense?
 
Sounding like some people think Leatherwood is about to flip to us. Mac may pull a real top class after all. Maybe he can get this show going if we can find a QB on the roster.

bama already got mad and threatened him and his family for using the bag and then showing up to our bowl game wearing Gator gear when he was supposed to be on his way to Tuscaloosa im sure...


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Let us know how many teams have won the SEC Championship in the past 25 years or so without a couple of real nice highly ranked top 10 (at least) classes beforehand. I can only think of one that is borderline not fitting that criteria. Mac does look like he may finish strong but if this class isn't even top 5 in the SEC he won't get the job done long term with results like that.

Ultimately, recruiting is irrelevant. Mac's job is to bring in players and win with them. If he wins, we won't care what their ranking was, and if he loses, we also won't care what their ranking was.
 
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One HS coach has banned one UF rep from his campus, not UF entirely.
It's not what I'd call front page news, just a very minor aberration imo.
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Clemp's-son recruit class rankings between 2012-16: 15-15-17-9-11, only 1 was even in the top 10 (9), with the Ave. at 13.4

Over the last 11 years, the NC has had a Top 5 ranked (4 year Ave.) class only 4 times.
That's UA 3 times and tOSU once. NC UA, with Mc at OC, had a 6.5 four year Ave. in 2009.
UF under Meyer in 06 had a 6.5 Ave, and a 5.3 in 08.
Auburn won it in 2010 with a 12.5 four year Ave.

While you certainly have an advantage with highly rated recruiting classes, the actual class rankings are certainly not an infallable standard for winning the NC, (as some here have claimed) and having a Top 5 Ave. was only good for 4 out of the last 11. I agree that Mc has to get better in recruiting, which he has obviously been doing so far, (21>12>??)

PS - In Mc-Nuss's first 2 years, they are 13-3 in the SEC, plus 2 post season losses to UA in the SEC-C games. Not to bad for what some call clueless (SECe-C) idiots... :rolleyes:
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Recruiting Update of sorts:

UF was named as their leader by: DT T.J. Slanton, WR James Robinson & LB Levi Jones.

Otherwise committed recruits that UF still has a chance with: S Devon Hunter VaTech, OT Kai-Leon Herbert Mich, DT Cam Spence and twin brother DT's Brandon and Breyon Gaddy - Maryland.

Still on the visit coming list: DE Jarez Parks, Ath Malik Cunningham & JuCo DT Malik Young... Others?
 
How big and how fast can things change for the Mc-staff coached Gators?

1/1/16 Citrus Bowl - UF 7 - 41 Mich (+34)

1/2/17 Outback Bowl - UF 30 - 3 Iowa (-27) --- (Iowa 14 - 13 Mich)

And that improvement came with what some here call Mc-staff's crappy recruiting, (see the Mc-staff recruited underclassmen performance in 2016).

This guy said it so well on another board that I just gabbed his comments instead of addressing it myself:


  • SP-- "It's obvious from these comments that many of you don't follow recruiting that closely and don't do any homework. "Star gazing" is lazy recruiting. And I agree that we must get better at closing with some of the very top in prospects, but Mac and staff have done an exceptional job of evaluating talent early when others don't see it. Doesn't it seem ridiculous now that Perine was the #42 RB coming out of HS? ...or J Taylor the #54 OG? ...or Reese the #27 ILB?"

  • ~ Plus I'd (iG) add at least: #35 DE Zuniga, #47 WR Callaway, #58 DE K.Davis, #88 SS (LB) K.Johnson, and #140 OT F.Johnson. All were 3 star rated in the 2015 class according to the 247 composite.

  • While some here whine about UF's 2017 class (15 so far), keep in mind that 6 of them are ESPN 300's, while 12 of them are 4 star rated and 5 of those 12 are early enrollees, with ship room for 9 more commits by NSD.

  • ~ There is a substantial difference between the ESPN rankings and the 247 composite. Looking back over the last 2 Mc-classes, ESPN has been closer to correct on the individual recruit rankings than either 247 or rivals imo.

  • From a 247 ranked #21 class, >>> to a #12 class, >>> to NSD 2017? Looks to me like he's making progress and moving up, while improving the ' character quality' of the recruits that do come to UF.

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  • And if you think that ranking #29 RB Lamical Perine as a 3 star was ignorant, just wait until you get a load of incoming 3 star rated #33 RB Malik Davis...

  • Just like if you think that ranking #42 LB Vosean Joseph as a 3 star was ignorant, just wait until you get a load of 3 star #37 LB Ventrell Miller...

  • And while Mc has only signed between 2-5 *****'s, depending on who you want to believe, he has signed a whole bunch of top quality ****'s along with some very under-rated 3 stars.

    I remain hopeful for the future. Others can continue to whine and complain if that's what floats their boats... :rolleyes:
 
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