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I want to be vaccinated. I really do. I just want to make an informed decision about my health.
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I want to be vaccinated. I really do. I just want to make an informed decision about my health.
But you know what, all that said, sincerely I believe whether or not you get vaccinated it’s a personal choice and should 100% be left up to the individual, all the writings on the wall, but the choice is yours. As it should be.I say I don’t know at work probably 10 to 15 times a day. I think the issue is you want us to say I don’t know for things that we do know.
We do know vaccines are effective
We do know it reduces both the risk of getting infected, the risk of spreading it, and certainly the risk of you getting really sick and dying from it
We have known all along, from day one, that booster shots will be required with his vaccine just like you have to get a flu vaccine every year because respiratory viruses mutate
We have known from day one that vaccines are not 100% effective. Vaccines are never 100% affective except for the smallpox vaccine and it was a extremely unique situation.
We know ivermectin has not been proven to work yet.
We know ivermectin has side effects and therefore without proven benefit we don’t give it.
We know the exact same thing can be said for hydroxychloroquine who’s effects are better done by dexamethasone anyway
We know there are very few effective treatments for coronavirus when you get severe disease.
Of those, The ones that may work in terms of effectiveness:
-Monoclonal antibody against the virus theoretically lowers your risk of hospitalization
-Remdesivir for reduction in viral load
-Dexamethasone reduces the hyperimmune response and has shown a slight improvement in mortality in severe cases
-Actemra is it interleukin 6 blocking antibody that has shown a slight reduction in time on ventilator and mortality in extremely sick patients and has shown a reduction in severity of infection and in increasing oxygen requirements in non-Ventilated patients
-Baricitinib in conjunction with Remdesivir showed a slight reduction in hospital days
-And combining dexamethasone with Remdesivir plus/minus Actemra likely provides our best chance for getting severely ill people on high levels of oxygen or on ventilator to get better, but it’s not much of a chance.
-We know to avoid ventilation as long as possible and to allow some permissive hypoxemia if they can tolerate it.
And we know every one of these drugs needs better research and more studies. Likely in the form of meta-analysis.
What has been well documented over and over again now is your best chance to survive Covid is to not get it or to already have the natural antibodies that you produced in response to a vaccine in your system ready to go, a.k.a. VACCINATION.
In addition we also know that the current surge in the Coronavirus pandemic is the worst we’ve seen to date and that hospitals across the country, particularly in the Southeast and Southwest, are inundated with coronavirus patients and running short on valuable resources, in particular doctors and nurses.
You guys act like this is controversial or some mystery and that we should say we really don’t know these things, but we do know these things and it has been shown in published study after published study after published study. Or it’s been reviewed by expert after expert after expert and put into several guidelines. We’re not gonna sit here and tell you we don’t know what we do know just because it doesn’t fit into your worldview.
And yes we do know how to interpret the literature better than you when it comes to medical research because we have all trained for years on how to decipher medical research.
You can learn from what we tell you or you can ignore it and call us arrogant and nitpick and attack the messenger because you damn sure have not been very effective it attacking the science.
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Based on what you've posted here about yourself, I honestly don't think you are as much of a health risk if you get covid, as you think you are. For whatever that's worth.
I still get the concern, I really do.
I think politically we are most often in lockstep, but a personal medical decision I'm trying to make isn't political until it's mandated.
That's my problem. I'm on the line. 10 years younger, 20 lbs lighter...probably take my chances on being a massive anomaly and wait on more data on the vaccines.
If I was 10-15 years older I'd have taken the shot months ago.
it has been almost a full year since thousand of people have gotten the vaccination and not side effect to the spike protein antibody. Why do you think there would be a side effect to any protein at all. That’s why you don’t get an answer. The question itself is impossible to prove due to its negative nature. In 5 years you will ask what about 10 years.
here is the best way I can answer it, at some point the antibody in our body just goes away, however the hope is that a second part of our immunity called the memory T cells would have picked up the blueprint to how to reproduce the antibody again if it sees covid’s spike.
Did you think all those years ago when we were in school that we would be teaching mammalian basic immunology and immunity on a gator sports blog someday? Can’t say is I ever predicted this one.
Thank you.
To answer your question - I don't know. I know it is seen as an "invader" by your immune system (prob too hyperbolic to call it a toxin) but that's why I'm concerned about how it's dealt with by your body. If it isn't destroyed and it ends up in important organs, could that cause problems?
I mean the data sheet on the vaccines list Guilanne Barre Syndrome, Clots, Heart Inflammation and some other pretty scary side effects. Do we know why those occur?
In what other treatments has the spike protein strategy been used?
Find an area in your life Covid hasn't touched.
See? These goobs think you are asking the question to show them up.
Saying 'we don't know for sure' in this case isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength.
He didn't get an answer cause your ego wouldn't let you admit that.
I mean don't feel bad, @gator1776 doesn't even know what a vaccine is. It could be much worse.
So our body makes the spike protein antibody as directed from the messenger RNA. That’s not what’s given to us in the vaccine, just a sequence that tells our cells to make the spike protein.
the reason those other really really rare things occurs is because our cells have to undergo certain inflammatory processes to make antibodys. In very rare cases, that inflammatory response does very odd things very soon after getting the vaccine like the things you mentions. Not years later. You should look up how frequently guillane barre actually happens. It’s actually very reassuring how safe it is because of the millions and millions of people of all age ranges that have gotten it. We haven’t had any guillane barres. we had 2 episodes of acute myocarditis, that soon resolved.
I know the answer, about one out of every hundred thousand vaccines given. Meanwhile 1.8 out of every hundred people With known Covid infection will die in the US.
For me, it came down to imminent probabilities. I'm not a medical doctor, but consuming scientific literature is a huge part of my job, so I read that stuff a lot. In my view, decisions are about making prudent tradeoffs. Given the statistical dominance, in terms of favorable Covid 19 outcomes, the vaccinated are doing much better than the unvaccinated. I researched long-term effects of vaccines (from what I've found, the side effects of taking a vaccine typically presents itself within a month at most) and weighed that information into my decision. Given that every hospital and medical doctor I spoke with, regardless of political affiliation, has stated unequivocally that the medical outcomes for patients with the vaccine is far superior to those without and not finding any compelling evidence that there is likely/probably/expectedly a long-term health hazard, my choice was an easy one at that point. I just researched a lot until I felt comfortable.
Whatever choice you make for you, I hope it is the right one. And please do not consider this post as me trying to convince you to get vaccinated. I am just sharing my thought process.
Well put. The funny thing is all I ever really did was suggest a vaccine strongly and point out that it may help not just the person but others and that was very polarizing for them.
but I agree completely with your point that it should be an individual‘s decision and based off of what the medical experts advise including their own doctor and what research they want to do on their own.
The vaccinated are getting tore up by Covid now. They were lied to by officials. Its insane reading the nonsense from just a month ago acting like the vaccinated were the same as people who had recovered from Covid. Now they are even trying to twist the numbers to make the vaccinated unvaccinated when admitted.
Thanks. I put a lot of time into my research, and it was a big decision for me. But absolutely, to each their own and I am strongly against any governmental mandates regarding vaccines.
Really, look at the below numbers and please define what you mean by “tore up”
Would seem to me that the unvaccinated seem to be faring far worse. At least based off of the actual numbers
Hospital 1 (Louisiana) 500 bed capacity
201 inpatients (86 more than 2020 peak)
81% unvaccinated
32 on ventilators, 31 unvaccinated (97%)
Hospital 2 (Alabama) 201 bed capacity
88 inpatients
91% unvaccinated
10 on ventilators, 10 unvaccinated (100%)
Hospital 3 (Mississippi) 58 bed capacity
27 inpatients
81% unvaccinated
4 on ventilators, all 4 unvaccinated (100%)
Sarasota Memorial Hospital:
230 inpatients with COVID-19 (100 more than their highest in 2020), of those, 205 (89%) are not vaccinated. 51 in ICU, with 3 vaccinated and 48 unvaccinated (94%). They have 34 on ventilators, one vaccinated, 33 unvaccinated (97%).
That said I will agree one thing you said, Vaccinated patients are not acting like patients that have recovered already from Covid, the vaccinated are actually doing much better than patients that have already recovered from Covid based off of the statistics.
I say I don’t know at work probably 10 to 15 times a day. I think the issue is you want us to say I don’t know for things that we do know.
We do know vaccines are effective
We do know it reduces both the risk of getting infected, the risk of spreading it, and certainly the risk of you getting really sick and dying from it
We have known all along, from day one, that booster shots will be required with his vaccine just like you have to get a flu vaccine every year because respiratory viruses mutate
We have known from day one that vaccines are not 100% effective. Vaccines are never 100% affective except for the smallpox vaccine and it was a extremely unique situation.
We know ivermectin has not been proven to work yet.
We know ivermectin has side effects and therefore without proven benefit we don’t give it.
We know the exact same thing can be said for hydroxychloroquine who’s effects are better done by dexamethasone anyway
We know there are very few effective treatments for coronavirus when you get severe disease.
Of those, The ones that may work in terms of effectiveness:
-Monoclonal antibody against the virus theoretically lowers your risk of hospitalization
-Remdesivir for reduction in viral load
-Dexamethasone reduces the hyperimmune response and has shown a slight improvement in mortality in severe cases
-Actemra is it interleukin 6 blocking antibody that has shown a slight reduction in time on ventilator and mortality in extremely sick patients and has shown a reduction in severity of infection and in increasing oxygen requirements in non-Ventilated patients
-Baricitinib in conjunction with Remdesivir showed a slight reduction in hospital days
-And combining dexamethasone with Remdesivir plus/minus Actemra likely provides our best chance for getting severely ill people on high levels of oxygen or on ventilator to get better, but it’s not much of a chance.
-We know to avoid ventilation as long as possible and to allow some permissive hypoxemia if they can tolerate it.
And we know every one of these drugs needs better research and more studies. Likely in the form of meta-analysis.
What has been well documented over and over again now is your best chance to survive Covid is to not get it or to already have the natural antibodies that you produced in response to a vaccine in your system ready to go, a.k.a. VACCINATION.
In addition we also know that the current surge in the Coronavirus pandemic is the worst we’ve seen to date and that hospitals across the country, particularly in the Southeast and Southwest, are inundated with coronavirus patients and running short on valuable resources, in particular doctors and nurses.
You guys act like this is controversial or some mystery and that we should say we really don’t know these things, but we do know these things and it has been shown in published study after published study after published study. Or it’s been reviewed by expert after expert after expert and put into several guidelines. We’re not gonna sit here and tell you we don’t know what we do know just because it doesn’t fit into your worldview.
And yes we do know how to interpret the literature better than you when it comes to medical research because we have all trained for years on how to decipher medical research.
You can learn from what we tell you or you can ignore it and call us arrogant and nitpick and attack the messenger because you damn sure have not been very effective it attacking the science.
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Yep. Check the actual hospital case numbers that @jfegaly posted from Oklahoma. Vaccinated getting torn up.
The survivability of COVID-19 outside of nursing homes is 99.74%. If you’re under the age of 40, your chance of surviving a bout of COVID-19 is 99.99%. You can’t really improve your chances of surviving beyond that, so COVID shots cannot realistically end the pandemic.
Mocking someone who you continue to call an idiot who’s asking honest questions and trying to learn is a great way to help the situation.
Or like this.
This would be the response to your attempts to explain to @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone how to drink water out of a glass.
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Those numbers are going to change. This go around the average age of the patients has dropped by 20 years. It’s affecting younger and younger people. There are six pediatric Covid patients on the ventilator in my area and there’s four on the ventilator in Jackson. All pediatric.
We didn’t see any of that last year.
Thank you. Excellent post. I think thats what most are looking for. Just an honest discussion. Not a troll job
Did the same brother. We took the dive a couple weeks ago, but for us it was not an easy decision. On top of that I will continue to defend those who either do no want to get it, or are struggling with the decision.
There were multiple things at play in our situation and we still have not made the decision for our 15 yr old. A few of my holdbacks were:
1. ADE. The CDC acknowledges its a possibility (wish the docs on here would).
2. Long term side effects (again docs, at least acknowledge it)
3. Short term side effects and not knowing if my bodies own potential anti bodies might be better than the shot. Again docs, just acknowledge it.
4. Wife has some blood issues and we are still waiting on hematologist. Couple that with known blood clotting issues of these vaccines and….yeah lots to consider. This whole, just get the damn shot mantra played by these docs who don’t necessarily know if you’re meeting and discussing with your own physicians is disturbing.
The last damn thing I needed to hear was a doc blowing smoke on a daily basis acting like there were no risks associated with a vax. What I needed even less? An arrogant person trolling, but I digress.
In the end, WE decided there were risks both ways, but we felt like the odds (at least currently) are on the side of the vaccine. The biggest thing was….well, I would at least like to live to find out what happens in 10 years. Living for today, and not the future, and hoping we made the right call. Biggest thing is pray about it, and if you are married, be in agreement.
I still question these vaccines, and wonder if we made the right decision. Wife and I both had real tight chest issues for a few days.
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Glad you did your research and made an informed decision that you’re good with. I have had no ill effects. I hope you are doing well. It’s certainly fair to question anything (especially something you’re putting in your body). I believe it was the right decision for me.
Just going off past history and actions. Hap me.
Just today, we have learned that one of the people you tagged actually wants to get the vac.....shot. And you are talking him out of it. Another actually got the shot, but almost didn't due to actions of people like you.
You don't want to have a conversation about the shots or covid. You want to be acknowledged and praised as being right. Even if you aren't.
Sorry bro, that's what you have @Uniformed_ReRe for.
Funny thing about it, being called an anti vaxxer for the past couple weeks whilst being vaccinated. All because you question. As one if our eloquent docs said this am….eff em
Still not over it yet but it feels like my body finally has the upper hand after taking horse paste invermectin. Shouldn't have waited 14 days to do that.
When I first heard of the Delta stuff I figured it was hype mostly but after what its doing to me I think its some pretty mean stuff. I am 52 with no health issues and a good body fat %. Lost 14 pounds so far. I guess its a wake up call not in my 30s anymore.
When I first heard of the Delta stuff I figured it was hype mostly but after what its doing to me I think its some pretty mean stuff. I am 52 with no health issues and a good body fat %. Lost 14 pounds so far. I guess its a wake up call not in my 30s anymore.
Ghost’s motive for debating is to convince others that the poster he is arguing with is evil and to turn everyone against him.
Still haven’t answered my question, and I would be willing to bet I won’t get an honest answer. How did you know doc was angry and trolling the last 3 days?
Lets get that answer first. It’s ok, others have come forward. Lets get an integrity check here.
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He’s just belittling me for asking real questions. It’s awful - in general, I’m a big kid and can handle it but it’s counterproductive to anyone not interested in raising revenue from vent patients.
You cracked the code. If I wasn't posting here, everyone would love @gator1776 just as unconditionally as you do.
👍. Agreed brother. It’s ok though. Pride comes before the fall.
Reminder: Hiden claims over 70% of the US population has gotten the shot.
This will be the spin from now on.
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