Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

[gator1776]

There is not a vax for RSV.

There is a treatment for it. I had a client that was a compounding pharmacy that also did RSV shots. RSV is common but is not dangerous for the average kid.

RSV can be deadly for premature babies.

Low income families are at the most risk for having premies.

So most families coming to the pharmacy for shots were low income and on Tennessee's version of medicaid known as TennCare.

The pharma was sued for how it calculated its pricing and lost in court. Private insurance that made up about 10% of the clients worked with the pharma to find a legal workaround that kept the price close to the same.

TennCare said it would pay $10 for a shot that the Pharma was getting $100 previously.

This was a major hit to its revenue and they closed 8 months later.

Not sure about now but at the time the only other place to go was Memphis.

Mostly true, the truth is there have been vaccines for RSV most of been ineffective or even dangerous but we have given them to high-risk patients from time to time. I remember this during my pediatric residency in the 90s when we would occasionally bring out the old vaccine in certain premature infants.
There is also a new RSV vaccine which is getting the fast track thanks to Covid.

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[DCandtheUTBand]

@gator1776 is just trolling. He thinks he is getting a rise out of us, hell he even had to bring a buddy over from Swamp Talk to try to help him.

I just feel bad for posters like @DCandtheUTBand that truly believe that he believes what he's saying. Ah well.

LOL I appreciate your compassion. I do my own homework. I had calculus based physics and chemistry in college and hold a degree from the college of Science. I have hours for minors in Electrical Engineering, Math and English.

This thread is mostly @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone vs @gator1776

I am going to take a Drs. eval into more consideration than someone holding a degree in high speed laundry mechanics. That being said I am skeptical about the mRNA vax and took JnJ even though 76 is pro mRNA. I think for myself.

But its ok you are mostly right in your politics.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Oh don’t feel bad for me. I am fully vaccinated and looking forward to my next booster shot as I walk through the hallways filled with Covid patients without getting sick.

And just like that, you completely contradicted everything you've said about the vaccines for the last year.

Your spin always was 'Get the vaccine. You might get sick, but it will be far less severe."

Now you are claiming the booster will make it impossible for you to get sick.

You just can't help yourself, can you? The amazing part is, you hate US for destroying your credibility here, when brother....we just sit back and let you talk.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

LOL I appreciate your compassion. I do my own homework. I had calculus based physics and chemistry in college and hold a degree from the college of Science. I have hours for minors in Electrical Engineering, Math and English.

This thread is mostly @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone vs @gator1776

I am going to take a Drs. eval into more consideration than someone holding a degree in high speed laundry mechanics. That being said I am skeptical about the mRNA vax and took JnJ even though 76 is pro mRNA. I think for myself.

But its ok you are mostly right in your politics.

You can do what you want. I think if you had seen what he's telling others in private, you'd change your mind.

Or maybe not. Either way, your call.

 

[SORT14]

But you're just a parrot that @gator1776 PMed to come over here and help him with his latest 'get a rise out of these guys' ploy.

Because the last one didn't work either.

My motivation for posting is immaterial. Read the study I posted if you'd like some information. Or avoid it. It's your choice.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

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[gator1776]

LOL I appreciate your compassion. I do my own homework. I had calculus based physics and chemistry in college and hold a degree from the college of Science. I have hours for minors in Electrical Engineering, Math and English.

This thread is mostly @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone vs @gator1776

I am going to take a Drs. eval into more consideration than someone holding a degree in high speed laundry mechanics. That being said I am skeptical about the mRNA vax and took JnJ even though 76 is pro mRNA. I think for myself.

But its ok you are mostly right in your politics.

And they have their right to not take the vaccine if they prefer not to and I support that right.

The reason why I prefer the messenger RNA vaccine says they seem to be more effective but the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is more traditional and is really very good as well.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

@nail1988

"Uncle" Phil and COVID.

I met him at the tax protest in 2001.

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[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

One final significant FACT everybody needs to understand is well over 95% of all mortality during this current surge of the pandemic is in unvaccinated patients.

And as was exposed yesterday, hospitals are counting anyone as being unvaccinated if:

They have received 1 vaccine shot but not a second one.

They have received no vaccine shot.

Their vaccination status IS UNKNOWN.


Those are also facts.

Believe the numbers if you want. Believe what posters here are saying in public vs what they are PMing people in private, if you want.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

And they have their right to not take the vaccine if they prefer not to and I support that right.

The reason why I prefer the messenger RNA vaccine says they seem to be more effective but the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is more traditional and is really very good as well.

My only concerns is will JnJ create another adenovirus vector so that they can issue a booster and when will they have it for teenagers.

 

[SORT14]

And as was exposed yesterday, hospitals are counting anyone as being unvaccinated if:

They have received 1 vaccine shot but not a second one.

They have received no vaccine shot.

Their vaccination status IS UNKNOWN.


Those are also facts.

Believe the numbers if you want. Believe what posters here are saying in public vs what they are PMing people in private, if you want.

I didn't see what was posted yesterday, did it show the proportions of UNKNOWN?

 

[jfegaly]

LOL I appreciate your compassion. I do my own homework. I had calculus based physics and chemistry in college and hold a degree from the college of Science. I have hours for minors in Electrical Engineering, Math and English.

This thread is mostly @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone vs @gator1776

I am going to take a Drs. eval into more consideration than someone holding a degree in high speed laundry mechanics. That being said I am skeptical about the mRNA vax and took JnJ even though 76 is pro mRNA. I think for myself.

But its ok you are mostly right in your politics.

I get it. I trust most doctors as well. My concern is this doctor has gotten a ton wrong, and instead of acknowledging it….let’s his pride take over.

He says he wants to help folks, but his tactics are awful, and has become untrustworthy IMO. He has acknowledged multiple times he is here to troll folks. That to me, doesn’t sound like a doctor that is genuine.

It’s nothing personal, but I would never want my family treated by a doc like that.

Lastly, the amount of time he spends on here is equal to me. I am retired, he….is supposedly a practicing dr, thats too busy to watch 10 minute informational videos.

Just sayin

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Melting.....I notice you are avoiding the questions, and the prospect of being wrong. AGAIN.

I know it's difficult for you, but here we go....again.

1. This VACCINE for RSV. What is it's name?
2. Is the NIH a trusted source or not?
3. is the CDC a trusted source or not?
4. Are there treatments for Covid, yes or no?

My guess....you will avoid it again.

Further, if a third shot is required, how long will it be before it's rendered useless?

Remember, @gator1776 claimed he had achieved mastery of this topic. This is 101-level question for a true master, as are yours.

He ignores them all. A master would answer confidently, then ask us to bookmark his answers for future reference.

A poser would....well we are seeing in real-time what a poser does. Hap! I need backup!

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I didn't see what was posted yesterday, did it show the proportions of UNKNOWN?

It did not. So whenever you see facts that claim the percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated add up to a perfect 100.0%, understand that the unvaccinated numbers are likely inflated.

Maybe it's by 10%, maybe its' by 50%. All depends on how corrupt the person doing the counting is or whether or not they have an agenda.

 

[SORT14]

It did not. So whenever you see facts that claim the percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated add up to a perfect 100.0%, understand that the unvaccinated numbers are likely inflated.

Maybe it's by 10%, maybe its' by 50%. All depends on how corrupt the person doing the counting is or whether or not they have an agenda.

I was just curious. I will look to see what those proportions are. We can definitely expect fluctuations in numbers, that is just realistic. The key is to determine if that fluctuation is a) consistent and b) significant.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I am focused on keeping myself and my family safe. Nothing more or less. I listen to all of the "Docs" (its unverified claims) on here.

I know as best as one can that Freeze is real with his D.C. because Nail knows him.

Most D.C.s do not like any vax so that must be taken into consideration when reading Freeze. It does not make him bad or his opinion any less worthy of exploring IMHO.

The only thing that 76 does that "turns me off" is the banter about having sex with other posters wives. I am not a prude but that kind of banter is usually private and among close friends.

To me the differences in opinion between the MDs on here is scant and magnified other by posters.

 

[jfegaly]

I was just curious. I will look to see what those proportions are. We can definitely expect fluctuations in numbers, that is just realistic. The key is to determine if that fluctuation is a) consistent and b) significant.

As I posted before. A couple weeks ago (at the largest hospital system in Oklahoma) 11 percent of their patients in ICU were vaccinated. A week ago it was 18 percent. Friday it was 21 percent. The percentage of vaccinated in ICU keeps increasing. Hopefully that doesn’t continue

 

[SORT14]

As I posted before. A couple weeks ago (at the largest hospital system in Oklahoma) 11 percent of their patients in ICU were vaccinated. A week ago it was 18 percent. Friday it was 21 percent. The percentage of vaccinated in ICU keeps increasing. Hopefully that doesn’t continue

No problem there. Do you mind sharing that source? The reason I ask is that if there is that I would like to see the statistics.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

My motivation for posting is immaterial. Read the study I posted if you'd like some information. Or avoid it. It's your choice.

Your motivation is documented: Your boy needed hap.

You aren't the only one he PMed.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

It did not. So whenever you see facts that claim the percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated add up to a perfect 100.0%, understand that the unvaccinated numbers are likely inflated.

Maybe it's by 10%, maybe its' by 50%. All depends on how corrupt the person doing the counting is or whether or not they have an agenda.

Or maybe .5% and maybe the person is the Health Commissioner under a conservative Gubner in a state that went 2-1 for Trump in both elections and her agenda is the health and safety of Tennesseans. I still believe the election was stolen and that China did this on purpose. But not everything is some grand conspiracy.

 

[jfegaly]

No problem there. Do you mind sharing that source? The reason I ask is that if there is that I would like to see the statistics.

I would if I could. My sister treats covid patients at the hospital and she gets updated information (I believe daily, but not sure). Not sure if they make the information public but can ask. FWIW, she is vaccinated.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

As I posted before. A couple weeks ago (at the largest hospital system in Oklahoma) 11 percent of their patients in ICU were vaccinated. A week ago it was 18 percent. Friday it was 21 percent. The percentage of vaccinated in ICU keeps increasing. Hopefully that doesn’t continue

If the vaccines are truly losing effectiveness, it should naturally go to a percentage in line with the percentages of the general population in that area.

 

[SORT14]

Your motivation is documented: Your boy needed hap.

You aren't the only one he PMed.

He didn't PM me, but again that is immaterial. I will make my own arguments and I have come to my conclusions based upon my research. But I enjoy the discussions and I'm open to others' points of view.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Or maybe .5% and maybe the person is the Health Commissioner under a conservative Gubner in a state that went 2-1 for Trump in both elections and her agenda is the health and safety of Tennesseans. I still believe the election was stolen and that China did this on purpose. But not everything is some grand conspiracy.

I think all honest people will agree that when you don't know the vaccination status of a person, and you put them down as unvaccinated, that's wrong.

We can agree to that. right?

 

[SORT14]

I would if I could. My sister treats covid patients at the hospital and she gets updated information (I believe daily, but not sure). Not sure if they make the information public but can ask. FWIW, she is vaccinated.

Appreciate it.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

@nail1988

"Uncle" Phil and COVID.

I met him at the tax protest in 2001.

‘Pray for a miracle’: Phil Valentine in ‘grave condition’ amid COVID-19 battle

Conservative radio talk show host Phil Valentine remains in “grave condition” a month after being hospitalized with COVID-19, according to his family.

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Right-wing, antivax, talk show hosts are dropping like flies.

In fairness, at least they apparently believe their own BS and are paying the price for it.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

He didn't PM me, but again that is immaterial. I will make my own arguments and I have come to my conclusions based upon my research. But I enjoy the discussions and I'm open to others' points of view.

No you aren;t, we all saw your posts here yesterday. You're now in 'back off and try to look obejective' mode.

Dude we've been here a while. Troll tactics are painfully easy to spot. But you do you.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Right-wing, antivax, talk show hosts are dropping like flies.

They are? Did they join the dems in voting against The Civil Rights Act?

 

[SORT14]

No you aren;t, we all saw your posts here yesterday. You're now in 'back off and try to look obejective' mode.

Dude we've been here a while. Troll tactics are painfully easy to spot. But you do you.

Yes I do. You can think what you like. You can also get as angry as you like. I know you saw what I posted yesterday and I posted it for you to see it. And my position from yesterday hasn't changed at all, so there is no 'backing off'. I'll be as objective as I can but I don't expect you to.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

They are? Did they join the dems in voting against The Civil Rights Act?

They are no longer breathing.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

I think all honest people will agree that when you don't know the vaccination status of a person, and you put them down as unvaccinated, that's wrong.

We can agree to that. right?

You do not know what they are doing. You make assumptions. And not ALL honest people accept the premise of your narrative.

 

[fatman76]

It is the essence of the two choices you have. You can choose science or you can choose pseudoscience. You can choose the subject matter expert‘s are you can choose people with limited training and limited expertise.

There are several other sources you can go to but all the scientific ones from the subject matter expert‘s agree with the current CDC recommendations That the vaccines are safe and very effective in preventing you from dying from Covid.

That is a very essence of the choice you have here in the Gator lounge, science or propagandist. It is a personal choice, pick what you’re going to listen to and make the best choice for you.

I’m sure this guy isn’t sciency enough for you either.

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[Gator Fever]

Bet she isn't using invermectin.

 

[jfegaly]

I want to know more about 4 things.

1. This VACCINE for RSV. What is it's name?
2. Is the NIH a trusted source or not?
3. is the CDC a trusted source or not?
4. Are there treatments for Covid, yes or no?

Bump for @gator1776 @goldmom @Uniformed_ReRe

Think we can get doc to answer these? Seems pretty straightforward. In particular, I am really looking forward to the name of the RSV vaccine. In your free time doc, we know you’re busy posing…..errrr posting.

 

[Gator Fever]

I get it. I trust most doctors as well. My concern is this doctor has gotten a ton wrong, and instead of acknowledging it….let’s his pride take over.

He says he wants to help folks, but his tactics are awful, and has become untrustworthy IMO. He has acknowledged multiple times he is here to troll folks. That to me, doesn’t sound like a doctor that is genuine.

It’s nothing personal, but I would never want my family treated by a doc like that.

Lastly, the amount of time he spends on here is equal to me. I am retired, he….is supposedly a practicing dr, thats too busy to watch 10 minute informational videos.

Just sayin

Any doctor that won't consider invermectin even when requested by the patient goes right to the bottom of the barrell in my book. I always knew their were some bad ones but Covid has exposed just how big this issue is. These hospitals are out of control with their actions. Should have never made someone being placed on a ventilator a cash cow from the feds.

 

[gator1776]

No you aren;t, we all saw your posts here yesterday. You're now in 'back off and try to look obejective' mode.

Dude we've been here a while. Troll tactics are painfully easy to spot. But you do you.

Typical MO, somebody comes in here that may not happen to agree with you and you immediately start to attack them personally because you don’t really have a good argument or leg to stand on in this one. You argue for a living and you’re good at arguing but it’s also all you know how to do.

By the way, what school did you go to?

 

[gator1776]

Bump for @gator1776 @goldmom @Uniformed_ReRe

Think we can get doc to answer these? Seems pretty straightforward. In particular, I am really looking forward to the name of the RSV vaccine. In your free time doc, we know you’re busy posing…..errrr posting.

Hey what school did you go to?
What is your college degree in, assuming you have one?

 

[gator1776]

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Bet she isn't using invermectin.

Another brilliant piece of medical research from the New York Times reporter that has a degree in history and economics. That’s my go to for medical information.

 

[jfegaly]

Hey what school did you go to?
What is your college degree in, assuming you have one?

How many times you going to use this line when you’re wrong? Get some new material. Also, you’re still avoiding the questions. Nice deflection attempt, unfortunately for you, I know your schtick. So, back to the unanswered question. You, the supposed physician, stated there was a vaccine for RSV. I would like to know the name of it sir?

It would be very sad if someone who isn’t a physician knows the answer and a 7 figure physician doesn’t know what vaccines are/aren’t available.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

They are no longer breathing.

Who is 'they'? Give us the names. This always seems to be an issue for you.