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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

Anyone who reads that tweet and believes it will likely assume the odds of a bad outcome associated with the vaccine is more probable than it actually is, so the message is deceptive. A play on words intended to convince rather than convey actual information. Somewhat subtly deceptive, but deceptive nonetheless
Contrast that to how covid deaths have been reported for the last 18 months.

All of them are reported as every single person died FROM covid. When the CDC has verified only 6% of the deaths were FROM covid, the other 94% of the victims died WITH covid.

Saying 100% died FROM covid is intentionally deceptive. Actually it's an outright lie.

And it's designed to give the average American the impression that perfectly healthy people are catching covid, and dying a few days later. When only 6% of the cases involve victims with no underlying health issues that impacted death.

That's extreme fear mongering. And yet....it never gets called out either.
 
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Banning people just causes them to retreat into echo chambers where they get even more extreme. At least when it’s out in the open, readers can see both sides.

Agree completely and it makes "the authority" look like they have something to hide, whether they do or not.

The thing I've hated most about this pandemic is not being able to spend time with my parents and sisters and their families. That has been difficult but that's just on a personal level.

In the grander scheme, the loss of faith in almost all sources has been enfuriating. Yes, on some level, I feel like every side is lying to us...whether in the form of a straight up lie, in the form of tweaking facts or, more commonly, in the form of purposely omitting facts to support a narrative.
 
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As some of you might know, I was due to get Moderna yesterday. That plan was derailed.

I spent some time with my sister who came to see my family and my elderly parents. I haven't spent much time at all with my parents over the last year despite the fact that they live in the home I built to retire in. It's less than 30 minutes from the house my family is staying in due to covid. We have isolated them. My mom has Alzheimer's and my dad, who is 77, needs help with her. How do I help?

Well, over last weekend I spent time with them. On Monday, I started to exhibit symptoms of covid. I was freaking out and thought that perhaps I had killed my parents by exposing them.

It turns out, thankfully, that I have strep throat. I wore a mask and washed my hands diligently so they should be safe from strep but it was a long wait to get diagnosed.

I dodged a bullet. I will get the vaccine as soon as my doctor says that I'm well enough to tolerate it.
 
Contrast that to how covid deaths have been reported for the last 18 months.

All of them are reported as every single person died FROM covid. When the CDC has verified only 6% of the deaths were FROM covid, the other 94% of the victims died WITH covid.

Saying 100% died FROM covid is intentionally deceptive. Actually it's an outright lie.

And it's designed to give the average American the impression that perfectly healthy people are catching covid, and dying a few days later. When only 6% of the cases involve victims with no underlying health issues that impacted death.

That's extreme fear mongering. And yet....it never gets called out either.
I’ll be traveling for the next couple of days but I’ll revisit this when I get the chance.,
 
As some of you might know, I was due to get Moderna yesterday. That plan was derailed.

I spent some time with my sister who came to see my family and my elderly parents. I haven't spent much time at all with my parents over the last year despite the fact that they live in the home I built to retire in. It's less than 30 minutes from the house my family is staying in due to covid. We have isolated them. My mom has Alzheimer's and my dad, who is 77, needs help with her. How do I help?

Well, over last weekend I spent time with them. On Monday, I started to exhibit symptoms of covid. I was freaking out and thought that perhaps I had killed my parents by exposing them.

It turns out, thankfully, that I have strep throat. I wore a mask and washed my hands diligently so they should be safe from strep but it was a long wait to get diagnosed.

I dodged a bullet. I will get the vaccine as soon as my doctor says that I'm well enough to tolerate it.
Be well
 
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Strep has been tough. It has been a LONG time since I've had it and I don't remember it like this.

I'm on the back end now, coughing and clearing my throat and lungs. No joke, not an exaggeration, it feels like freaking hot glass when I cough. I'm on antibiotics and I am improving, it's just the last part of strep.

Let it be known that someone caught something in 2021 that wasn't covid.
 
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Strep has been tough. It has been a LONG time since I've had it and I don't remember it like this.

I'm on the back end now, coughing and clearing my throat and lungs. No joke, not an exaggeration, it feels like freaking hot glass when I cough. I'm on antibiotics and I am improving, it's just the last part of strep.

Let it be known that someone caught something in 2021 that wasn't covid.
Sounds awful but I’m glad you’re almost through it.
 
Strep has been tough. It has been a LONG time since I've had it and I don't remember it like this.

I'm on the back end now, coughing and clearing my throat and lungs. No joke, not an exaggeration, it feels like freaking hot glass when I cough. I'm on antibiotics and I am improving, it's just the last part of strep.

Let it be known that someone caught something in 2021 that wasn't covid.
Strep sucks, sorry man.
 
Strep has been tough. It has been a LONG time since I've had it and I don't remember it like this.

I'm on the back end now, coughing and clearing my throat and lungs. No joke, not an exaggeration, it feels like freaking hot glass when I cough. I'm on antibiotics and I am improving, it's just the last part of strep.

Let it be known that someone caught something in 2021 that wasn't covid.
My younger son has had two bouts of strep. His pediatrician said he's seen alot more strep since Covid started...he thinks it's dirty masks.

If you have to mask up wash/change them often.
 
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My younger son has had two bouts of strep. His pediatrician said he's seen alot more strep since Covid started...he thinks it's dirty masks.

If you have to mask up wash/change them often.
Interesting, do you have any evidence That the word of maskers increase the rate of Streptococcus pharyngitis?
 
So local DC news had John's Hopkins doc Marty Makary on this am - he's very confident we're seeing the downside of delta across the country right now and by winter we'll be at a "very low baseline."

To be clear he didn't say Covid is over, he said the Delta spike is waning quickly.

He also said he has no experience with IVM and the only research he's seen has been inconclusive, but he's worried about the witchhunt mentality and the extreme predication Dr. Fauci has towards vaccines being our only hope.

 
Interesting, do you have any evidence That the word of maskers increase the rate of Streptococcus pharyngitis?
Is it not common sense to a certain degree?

If you're breathing through and touching a mask things will build up on it, and it's smart to change and wash them often to make sure you aren't breathing those things back in. But here is some "evidence", although I'm sure you'll tell me all of it is BS.




In Germany, where schools are open and masks are mostly optional, the association of “Kinder f.Weltfrieden eV” commissioned a laboratory analysis to investigate the level of microbial contamination that results after a fresh mask is worn by a child for 6-8 hours in school. What they found was alarming to all those recommending we mask our children for several hours every day. The masks were found to be contaminated with 82 bacterial colonies and 4 mold colonies. Where do you think the bacteria, molds, and viruses progressively colonizing and growing on the warm moist mask-mouth interface end up?

Many of the microbes get transferred to surfaces the child (or adult) touches after they touch, fiddle, and mishandle their mask. This is one of the many reasons that masks are almost certainly INCREASING the transmission of infectious disease. More dangerously, these microbes are being inhaled and delivered deep into the lungs where respiratory disease far worse than CoVID-19 can result.
 
Is it not common sense to a certain degree?

If you're breathing through and touching a mask things will build up on it, and it's smart to change and wash them often to make sure you aren't breathing those things back in. But here is some "evidence", although I'm sure you'll tell me all of it is BS.




In Germany, where schools are open and masks are mostly optional, the association of “Kinder f.Weltfrieden eV” commissioned a laboratory analysis to investigate the level of microbial contamination that results after a fresh mask is worn by a child for 6-8 hours in school. What they found was alarming to all those recommending we mask our children for several hours every day. The masks were found to be contaminated with 82 bacterial colonies and 4 mold colonies. Where do you think the bacteria, molds, and viruses progressively colonizing and growing on the warm moist mask-mouth interface end up?

Many of the microbes get transferred to surfaces the child (or adult) touches after they touch, fiddle, and mishandle their mask. This is one of the many reasons that masks are almost certainly INCREASING the transmission of infectious disease. More dangerously, these microbes are being inhaled and delivered deep into the lungs where respiratory disease far worse than CoVID-19 can result.
No it’s not common sense and no none of that represents actual medical evidence. What we would need is a causative affect analysis, so first of all we have to show that there’s actually an increase in the number of strep infections and then we would have to be able to Temperly relay that back to the wearing of mask and when it started. If we wanted to actually prove this. Otherwise it’s just Internet speculation that people keep training back-and-forth that looks like actual evidence.

There’s a lot of interesting things about strep pharyngitis including the fact that some of us Are far more prone to get it. Another interesting fact that she don’t actually give antibiotics for the infection and give anabiotic’s to prevent the sequelae of the infection. It’s a fascinating disease really. But mostly just a minor nuisance. Provided you prevent the sequelae.
 
No it’s not common sense and no none of that represents actual medical evidence. What we would need is a causative affect analysis, so first of all we have to show that there’s actually an increase in the number of strep infections and then we would have to be able to Temperly relay that back to the wearing of mask and when it started. If we wanted to actually prove this. Otherwise it’s just Internet speculation that people keep training back-and-forth that looks like actual evidence.

There’s a lot of interesting things about strep pharyngitis including the fact that some of us Are far more prone to get it. Another interesting fact that she don’t actually give antibiotics for the infection and give anabiotic’s to prevent the sequelae of the infection. It’s a fascinating disease really. But mostly just a minor nuisance. Provided you prevent the sequelae.
I, for one, am shocked at your response. Shocked I tell you.
 

Graphene Oxide Is the Main Ingredient in Covid Jabs, Says Former Pfizer Employee - true or not? Is this why I had a magnet stick to a patient's arms?​

https://basedunderground.com/2021/0...nt-in-covid-jabs-says-former-pfizer-employee/
This has been mentioned here multiple times, and every time the 'internet doctors' totally ignore. So either they aren't aware, or they are and don't want to discuss.

I mean. injecting metallic particles into your body and bloodstream, what could go wrong???
 
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I could posit that stepping in bull manure leads to a smelly shoe and he'd require I post a triple blind study from an Ivy league institution proving it.

Common folk like us cannot understand medicine or science...we've not the decades of school and experience to smell bullshit like he can.


Vaccine….aspirin. It’s all just semantics
 
As some of you might know, I was due to get Moderna yesterday. That plan was derailed.

I spent some time with my sister who came to see my family and my elderly parents. I haven't spent much time at all with my parents over the last year despite the fact that they live in the home I built to retire in. It's less than 30 minutes from the house my family is staying in due to covid. We have isolated them. My mom has Alzheimer's and my dad, who is 77, needs help with her. How do I help?

Well, over last weekend I spent time with them. On Monday, I started to exhibit symptoms of covid. I was freaking out and thought that perhaps I had killed my parents by exposing them.

It turns out, thankfully, that I have strep throat. I wore a mask and washed my hands diligently so they should be safe from strep but it was a long wait to get diagnosed.

I dodged a bullet. I will get the vaccine as soon as my doctor says that I'm well enough to tolerate it.
WHY? Why are you running scared and getting a useless vaccine? Covid has a 99.98% survival rate. This of course is debated on here by a few, but I'll be damned if I'll get the vaccine and I am a Type-2 diabetic. It doesn't scare me and I have my diabetes controlled.
 
WHY? Why are you running scared and getting a useless vaccine? Covid has a 99.98% survival rate. This of course is debated on here by a few, but I'll be damned if I'll get the vaccine and I am a Type-2 diabetic. It doesn't scare me and I have my diabetes controlled.

So that I can maximize my defense and spend more time with my parents, who need me.

The vaccine is far from perfect but the numbers do show that, if you still get covid, it's much more likely to be a non-event if you're vaccinated AND you have natural antibodies.

I'm almost positive that I would be ok. I'm less certain about my parents. I couldn't deal with being the cause of their demise.
 
So that I can maximize my defense and spend more time with my parents, who need me.

The vaccine is far from perfect but the numbers do show that, if you still get covid, it's much more likely to be a non-event if you're vaccinated AND you have natural antibodies.

I'm almost positive that I would be ok. I'm less certain about my parents. I couldn't deal with being the cause of their demise.

It’s a good decision man. IMO

 
I could posit that stepping in bull manure leads to a smelly shoe and he'd require I post a triple blind study from an Ivy league institution proving it.

Common folk like us cannot understand medicine or science...we've not the decades of school and experience to smell bullshit like he can.
Yeah, that's the problem though. Personal attacks towards me aside, if you are a good scientist or a good doctor, you cannot assume something into fact without evidence. The scientific method would take a plausible idea, turn it into a hypothesis, use that to develop a testable theory, then perform the research to prove of disprove the question. Then the assumption can be answered.

When you just assume something is right w/o proving it, you can often do more harm than good.

That said, please go ahead attack me again for taking the time to attend 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, and 7 years of residency and fellowship to master this field so you can discount everything I say.
 
4 years of medical school, and 7 years of residency and fellowship to master this field so you can discount everything I say.
The fact that you think you have mastered your field discounts everything you just said.

It's amazing that you keep telling yourself that you are being victimized by others here, when you are destroying your own credibility with your own words. Repeatedly.
 


Again, anyone that thinks this is about protecting the public from a virus with a 99% survival rate isn't thinking.

This is about control. China is giving the world the playbook, and the dems in the US like what they are seeing.


Yep, keep 'compromising' on your personal rights and liberties for the 'grreater good'.

How do you boil a frog?
 
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"...Breakthrough cases of COVID-19 can happen despite people getting vaccinated.

A new study reveals the fully vaccinated were almost twice as likely to have no symptoms at all, compared to the wider population.

Also, if that person does catch COVID-19 the study showed the odds of ending up hospitalized with severe symptoms were reduced by more than two-thirds compared to an unvaccinated coronavirus patient.


The survey also found that the risk of breakthrough patients suffering from long-COVID, with symptoms lasting more than a month, were cut in half by full vaccination.

The peer-reviewed study was published yesterday in The Lancet Medical Journal...."


 
"...Between Dec 8, 2020, and July 4, 2021, 1 240 009 COVID Symptom Study app users reported a first vaccine dose, of whom 6030 (0·5%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 1), and 971 504 reported a second dose, of whom 2370 (0·2%) subsequently tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (cases 2)....."

Lancet
 
I could posit that stepping in bull manure leads to a smelly shoe and he'd require I post a triple blind study from an Ivy league institution proving it.

Common folk like us cannot understand medicine or science...we've not the decades of school and experience to smell bullshit like he can.
I think the main point is to not overlook potentially confounding variables whenever we see an "obvious" correlation. Stepping in shit and smelling doesn't involve a lot of potential confounds. When talking about the human biology with roughly 86 billion neurons in the brain alone, things are a little more complex.
 
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Yeah, that's the problem though. Personal attacks towards me aside, if you are a good scientist or a good doctor, you cannot assume something into fact without evidence. The scientific method would take a plausible idea, turn it into a hypothesis, use that to develop a testable theory, then perform the research to prove of disprove the question. Then the assumption can be answered.

When you just assume something is right w/o proving it, you can often do more harm than good.

That said, please go ahead attack me again for taking the time to attend 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, and 7 years of residency and fellowship to master this field so you can discount everything I say.
Not discounting everything you say, but if anything doesn't square with what you believe you conflate the definition of ANY evidence with total lack of proof. Every. Single. Time.

You have no allowance for common sense at all, unless it comes from you. Your arrogance abounds.
 
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Contrast that to how covid deaths have been reported for the last 18 months.

All of them are reported as every single person died FROM covid. When the CDC has verified only 6% of the deaths were FROM covid, the other 94% of the victims died WITH covid.

Saying 100% died FROM covid is intentionally deceptive. Actually it's an outright lie.

And it's designed to give the average American the impression that perfectly healthy people are catching covid, and dying a few days later. When only 6% of the cases involve victims with no underlying health issues that impacted death.

That's extreme fear mongering. And yet....it never gets called out either.
Which is why we should reject others’ narratives and think logically about the evidence at hand. For instance, my father died of emphysema and lung cancer. But his death was because of his lifetime spent smoking packs of cigarettes a day and not taking care of himself. When I read about a COVID death, it is almost always labeled as “complications from COVID” or something along those lines. If COVID leads to pneumonia and the person dies of that, COVID is still a culprit. But then we read about someone killed in a car accident and the cause of death listed as COVID (these instances are generally myths and get exaggerated, but it still has the effect of undermining peoples’ confidence in reported COVID numbers).

That being said, the fear mongering and narrative building by the government regarding COVID is atrocious and is a big reason for the huge vaccine hesitancy problem we have. I wish they would put forward a balanced narrative as well. Just like I wish anti-vaxxers would. At some point, someone has to be the adult in the room. This is why I read science and run my own statistical analyses. Fear mongering on both sides of the issue is dangerous to those of us that want truth
 
I think the main point is to not overlook potentially confounding variables whenever we see an "obvious" correlation. Stepping in shit and smelling doesn't involve a lot of potential confounds. When talking about the human biology with roughly 86 billion neurons in the brain alone, things are a little more complex.
I'm talking about touching masks with dirty hands, breathing out the things our noses and lungs don't filter, breathing in external contaminants in the air through a mask, etc...and then not washing/changing that filter.

I think it's pretty obvious that filter will eventually become contaminated.

I don't think I'm out on some crazy limb here. That was my entire point - and the point of the three links I posted. I wasn't the person that made the leap to 'kids wearing dirty masks all day can increase the risk for things like strep', my kid's pediatrician did.
 
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Not discounting everything you say, but if anything doesn't square with what you believe you conflate the definition of ANY evidence with total lack of proof. Every. Single. Time.

You have no allowance for common sense at all, unless it comes from you. Your arrogance abounds.
That’s simply not true but I’m sure that your perception. But as a doctor and a scientist when it comes to these sort of things I am held to a higher standard So I hold everything else to do the same higher standard.
 
I'm talking about touching masks with dirty hands, breathing out the things our noses and lungs don't filter, breathing in external contaminants in the air through a mask, etc...and then not washing/changing that filter.

I think it's pretty obvious that filter will eventually become contaminated.

I don't think I'm out on some crazy limb here. That was my entire point - and the point of the three links I posted. I wasn't the person that made the leap to 'kids wearing dirty masks all day can increase the risk for things like strep', my kid's pediatrician did.
And so you have a hypothesis but that’s not proof. It’s purely a speculation. The hypothesis is the mass become contaminated and soiled. It leads to the theory that you think they are spreading infection. Now you have And a hypothesis and a theory, the next part of the scientific method is to prove your theory is correct. You have to establish a causative effect. Do the mask that children wear increase Streptococcus infection? Now prove it.

That is the scientific method. Frequently the questions we think are so obvious either can’t be proven or are proven to be wrong when you actually try to do the research.
 
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I'm talking about touching masks with dirty hands, breathing out the things our noses and lungs don't filter, breathing in external contaminants in the air through a mask, etc...and then not washing/changing that filter.

I think it's pretty obvious that filter will eventually become contaminated.

I don't think I'm out on some crazy limb here. That was my entire point - and the point of the three links I posted. I wasn't the person that made the leap to 'kids wearing dirty masks all day can increase the risk for things like strep', my kid's pediatrician did.
No, I don't think you are either, but the situation may definitely be more complex. I was commenting more in general. I have some research about the adverse effects of dirty masks that I will try to find.
 
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