Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread
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So you think it makes more sense to blindly believe and agree with internet randos that claim they are actually doctors?
Interesting. Especially in light of your recent claims that shot cheerleaders were more educated about covid and less likely to blindly accept information about it or shots.
Seems to be just the opposite here.
I mean let’s be fair, Based off of current statistics a minimum of 13 of these 14 people that died from Covid that I had to fill the death certificate out on would have survived and they’ve been vaccinated.
The last 8 days is a good trend for us here in Houston. Positive cases declining. Hospitalizations are following as one would expect
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Seeing the same thing in Louisiana Alabama and Florida. Pretty safe to say we’ve reached the peak of this surge and are on the down slide thank God.The last 8 days is a good trend for us here in Houston. Positive cases declining. Hospitalizations are following as one would expect
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The irony is, we already have seen one poster here take the 'paste' and almost immediately recover from covid.
We have no evidence of anyone here getting the shot and then recovering from covid. But keep shaking those pom poms.
Alright. Serious discussion. Tag your buddies @gator1776
@dingyibvs
Scenario: wife and I have a 15 yr old boy on the autism spectrum ( high functioning). We have been going back and forth on vaccine for him. I see studies that say do it, and then read articles about their immune system that give me pause. Thoughts? Couple of items to consider. When he was 10 he had to be rushed to hospital for severe allergic reaction to about a half dozen red ant bites. He also had a sensitivity to a medication once (Dont recall the med off hand)
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Input appreciated.
@dingyibvs
Scenario: wife and I have a 15 yr old boy on the autism spectrum ( high functioning). We have been going back and forth on vaccine for him. I see studies that say do it, and then read articles about their immune system that give me pause. Thoughts? Couple of items to consider. When he was 10 he had to be rushed to hospital for severe allergic reaction to about a half dozen red ant bites. He also had a sensitivity to a medication once (Dont recall the med off hand)
Autism Linked To Immune System Problems, Further Evidence Found
According to a study in the April 2012 International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience, the plasma of children with autism disorder (AD) had significantly lower levels...
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Excess of Immune Cells Found in Brains of People with Autism
An accumulation of T cells and astrocytes in postmortem brain tissue hints at possible autoimmune origins for many cases of autism.
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Immune Function & Autism
A 2018 study at UC Davis MIND Institute found that children with autism spectrum disorder have reduced immune system regulation.
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Input appreciated.
HOSPITAL 1
Census: 447 (4 holding in ER and 4 in PACU)
Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 67
Available ICUs: 2
COVID Unit Census: 149
COVID Unit beds available: 18
ED visits: 104
FED visits: 83
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 150 (120 unvaccinated)
HOSPITAL 2
Census: 188 (7 boarding in ED)
Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 3
Available ICUs: 1
COVID Unit Census: 67
COVID Unit beds available: 10
ED visits: 77
FED visits: 75
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 67 (60 unvaccinated)
HOSPITAL 3
Census: 53 (Med/Surg 24/ ICU 4/ L&D 4/ SBH 19) (There are 2 patients holding in ER)
Available Non-COVID beds: 0
Available ICU beds: 1
COVID Unit census: 12
COVID Unit beds available: 1
ED visits: 54
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 16 (10 unvaccinated)
Census: 447 (4 holding in ER and 4 in PACU)
Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 67
Available ICUs: 2
COVID Unit Census: 149
COVID Unit beds available: 18
ED visits: 104
FED visits: 83
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 150 (120 unvaccinated)
HOSPITAL 2
Census: 188 (7 boarding in ED)
Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 3
Available ICUs: 1
COVID Unit Census: 67
COVID Unit beds available: 10
ED visits: 77
FED visits: 75
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 67 (60 unvaccinated)
HOSPITAL 3
Census: 53 (Med/Surg 24/ ICU 4/ L&D 4/ SBH 19) (There are 2 patients holding in ER)
Available Non-COVID beds: 0
Available ICU beds: 1
COVID Unit census: 12
COVID Unit beds available: 1
ED visits: 54
Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 16 (10 unvaccinated)
First question is does he suffer from obesity or diabetes? Assuming that he does not:Alright. Serious discussion. Tag your buddies @gator1776
@dingyibvs
Scenario: wife and I have a 15 yr old boy on the autism spectrum ( high functioning). We have been going back and forth on vaccine for him. I see studies that say do it, and then read articles about their immune system that give me pause. Thoughts? Couple of items to consider. When he was 10 he had to be rushed to hospital for severe allergic reaction to about a half dozen red ant bites. He also had a sensitivity to a medication once (Dont recall the med off hand)
Autism Linked To Immune System Problems, Further Evidence Found
According to a study in the April 2012 International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience, the plasma of children with autism disorder (AD) had significantly lower levels...
Excess of Immune Cells Found in Brains of People with Autism
An accumulation of T cells and astrocytes in postmortem brain tissue hints at possible autoimmune origins for many cases of autism.
Immune Function & Autism
A 2018 study at UC Davis MIND Institute found that children with autism spectrum disorder have reduced immune system regulation.www.autism.org
All Autism Articles
The latest news and information on Autism. Learn about what causes Autism, the symptoms, treatment, drugs, triggers, and tests for Autism.
Input appreciated.
Definitely a tough call. Even though this round of coronavirus has been harder on the younger population, and we have definitely seen pediatric severe Covid this time, the percentage of young people getting severely sick actually remained roughly the same. It’s just that the Delta variant is so highly infectious that we seen peaks in infection rates higher than we’ve ever seen before so by law of averages there are more pediatric patients this go round without an increase in the percentage of sick pediatric patients.
in other words, it is extremely unlikely that your 15-year-old will get severe Covid even if he’s unvaccinated. Well below 0.1%. Provide of course he’s not fairly obese which is a huge risk factor.
Given that aspect, and the fact that he has had allergic reactions to things before I would probably air on the side of not vaccinating him.
The autism is an interesting discussion. There is never been definitive prove that vaccinations lead to autism and there has been a definite increase in autism over the last 50 years but mostly because doctors didn’t even know what the hell it was 50 years ago. All that said because he’s a highly functional Autistic I do wear that ever so slightly in the risk category and I think in this situation, because of the prior allergic reaction, plus minus the history of autism, and the low risk of severe infection in the pediatric population, again I would error on the side of not vaccinating him. Again providing he’s not significantly obese Or does not have diabetes..
All that said in the end I would go with the recommendations of your doctor and your pediatrician over mine on the Internet.
@SORT14 @testy524
For sure on our dr. He is not obese, no diabetes.
Just searching for information at this point
I would absolutely still recommend the vaccine. Although the chance of death is very low, it shouldn’t be the only marker. Kids with autism, have almost 2 fold increase in worse covid outcomes that other children.
And I have not heard of any worse outcome for the vaccine although long term antibody response testing hasn’t been done to compare the 2 groups. Just no reason not to at this point IMHO
So 19% of the inpatients are vaccinated?
That's terrible news. I get they still have better %'s, but it's not moving in the right direction.
Sisters hospital shot up to 21 percent a couple weeks back. It has since stabilized around 20 percent. I wish there was more in depth data like which vaccines, and how long ago administered etc. that surely would help to understand more
I think it is. The overall number is way down, down 25% from just a week ago. The Unvaccinated rate at almost 82% is still consistent with what has been said all along, you’re far more likely to get more severely ill if you’re unvaccinated.
I didn’t put them on this time but the percentage of unvaccinated people on the ventilator, a.k.a. life-support, remains 96%.
I think this particular variant has indeed run out of fuel, humans, and hopefully the group immunity between the vaccinations and the infections will keep us quiet for 5 to 7 months maybe. But let’s make sure that number keeps going down for now.
It would and the only data that mostly gets kept is did you get the vaccine or not. I think as we start to understand this virus more and more the questions will become more detailed. How long ago did you get the vaccine how long ago was your second shot did you get a booster which one did you get so on and so forth. I will suggest we start tracking more of that information going forward.
Yay for fascism!!!!
Just think, if we ban/censor ALL the people who ask honest questions about the shots and covid, we will be left with nothing but a bunch of shot cheerleaders and covid fear mongers.
Then sheep will only hear about how good the shot is! Awesome!
Gee....if only we had a historical reference for what happens when you censor people just for stating an opinion. Hmmm.....
Oh well, get your shots, kids, they're totally yummy to your tummy!!!!
Just think, if we ban/censor ALL the people who ask honest questions about the shots and covid, we will be left with nothing but a bunch of shot cheerleaders and covid fear mongers.
Then sheep will only hear about how good the shot is! Awesome!
Gee....if only we had a historical reference for what happens when you censor people just for stating an opinion. Hmmm.....
Oh well, get your shots, kids, they're totally yummy to your tummy!!!!
I mean I’m not a big believer in preventing people from posting or tweeting, but what he posted was blatantly wrong, misleading, yellow journalism, propaganda, and dangerous based off of the actual medical research and literature available. I would prefer that they just deleted his tweet and not band him, But I haven’t seen you guys post to single thing from him yet that was actually accurate or anything more than misleading propaganda. Should we allow people to post Blayton lies? I guess the moral and ethical dilemma we face today.
I don't agree with the banning or censoring at all. Prefer they just call him out on his BS.
What was wrong with what he tweeted?
"It is entirely within the range of reasonable discussion."
Unless you are dealing with shot cheerleaders.
Didn't you post intentionally false information and privately message members telling them that you were lying in order to try to 'get a rise' out of certain posters here?
Ethical dilemmas abound.
He was too aggressive in how he stated facts.
Side effect profile isn't great compared to other vaccines. Efficacy clearly wanes. These vaccines still allow you to get and spread Covid, but they do help you if you get sick avoid the worst outcomes.
I think that's exactly what he said...I just said it more gently.
But he's right. These shots aren't vaccines. They don't even meet the CDC's own definition of what a vaccine is.
I think he's saying let's stop calling these shots vaccines, when they are in fact treatments.
I think he's precisely correct.
I don't know, didn't read it yet. Just that if it is BS and someone disagrees with it, calling it out is fair game.
Just took a look at the tweet, definitely unbalanced (disproportionately emphasizing the limited drawbacks when compared to the relative benefits, appealing to definition about being a vaccine and fear mongering). It totally lacks context. Again, don't agree with the banning, but calling it out seems fine to me since it is a one-sided take.
Ok cool. Yea I looked at that in a comment above. Definitely not a balanced or contextual tweet. Even if I disagree with it, don’t think he should be banned
Like I said - everything he said was true he was just way too aggressive about it.
These vaccines are essentially treatments you take before you get sick. That’s all he was saying. It’s more how he said it.
Anyone who reads that tweet and believes it will likely assume the odds of a bad outcome associated with the vaccine is more probable than it actually is, so the message is deceptive. A play on words intended to convince rather than convey actual information. Somewhat subtly deceptive, but deceptive nonetheless
No vaccine is not a treatment it’s a preventative therapy. And they are not horrible side effects and adverse reactions are extremely rare. There’s a lot of inaccuracies in the tweet and it is misleading and I would’ve deleted the tweet but I would not of banned him.
It’s worded very carefully to give the appearance of truth without an ounce of actual evidence or truth based on the research. The vaccine has proven to be highly effective with a very limited side effect Profile and he’s implying the exact opposite is true.
Now you’re not gonna agree with what I said but that’s fine, at least you’re vaccinated.
Banning people just causes them to retreat into echo chambers where they get even more extreme. At least when it’s out in the open, readers can see both sides.
"Protect yourself: Get vaccinated".
We see a close variation of this statement posted here daily.
You couldn't ask for a statement that's more lacking in 'context'. Yet that somehow, someway, never gets called out.
Then call it out with a substantive counterargument. I certainly wouldn't want anyone banned over it.
Joe Rogan tests positive for covid on Sunday. Refuses the shot, takes ivermectin instead, fine again this morning.
The meltdowns from the shot cheerleaders on Twitter are priceless. The left now has Rogan as Most Hated. And I'm pretty sure Rogan is a dem.
cc @Gator Fever
Got to meet Joe in my MMA days. He's a great dude, and I hope he is doing well.
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