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fatman76 said:
I’ve come around and I’m getting the shot, but it’s scary AF. I maybe slept two hours last night. I don’t want the treatment - it’s overwhelming evidence to you guys because you see all of the worst outcomes. You don’t even hear about the thousands (more?) who lose smell and feel a little funky and never even get tested. Even delta is mild for a vast, vast majority of people.

And I’m not saying the vaccines are ineffective at preventing bad outcomes, I’m worried that the same thing that’s tainting research and public perception of IVM is happening with the vaccines - this is an emergency situation and all we are focused on is the short term…and looking for good news.

I wouldn’t even consider it if the delta surge wasn’t starting here and I didn’t have two kids in school…wearing fairly worthless masks in a crowded place, and I didn’t coach HS sports.

But at least in my area you have two choices - get vaccinated and get Covid or don’t get vaccinated and get it. I just hope the treatment doesn’t turn out to be as bad as the disease long term.
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I hear plenty about those who have mild symptoms. Plenty of my colleagues, friends, staff, and acquaintances have caught it. One of them was admitted to the hospital (she was one of the few who was unvaccinated), but most others had mild symptoms while some were out for a couple weeks.

The thing is, if someone has a severe vaccine reaction, who do you think they'd go see? It'd be people like me or @gator1776. That is, it would be the the same people who treat COVID patients. The fact is that we rarely see severe vaccine reactions, but we do see heck a lot of severe COVID. Given that well over half the country has now been vaccinated, you'd expect a similar number of patients due to vaccine reactions if the risk is at all similar to COVID infections, wouldn't you?
 
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dingyibvs said:
I hear plenty about those who have mild symptoms. Plenty of my colleagues, friends, staff, and acquaintances have caught it. One of them was admitted to the hospital (she was one of the few who was unvaccinated), but most others had mild symptoms while some were out for a couple weeks.

The thing is, if someone has a severe vaccine reaction, who do you think they'd go see? It'd be people like me or @gator1776. That is, it would be the the same people who treat COVID patients. The fact is that we rarely see severe vaccine reactions, but we do see heck a lot of severe COVID. Given that well over half the country has now been vaccinated, you'd expect a similar number of patients due to vaccine reactions if the risk is at all similar to COVID infections, wouldn't you?
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You would. And as I have told many of my friends and family and patients and patient’s family, I’ve admitted and taken care of hundreds of Covid patients but I have yet to admit and take care of a single covid Vaccine reaction severe enough to require hospitalization and meticulous severe enough to require my level of care.

If all of these horrible things that supposedly happen because of this vaccine were actually happening it is impossible that I would not have seen one of those patients by now with 150 million people vaccinated in this country. That’s not to say there are not some adverse reactions, but as has been said multiple times they are mild and self limited and seldom require hospitalization or higher level of care.

So currently I have zero Covid vaccine related adverse reactions in the hospital but I have over 200 Covid infected patients in the hospital including 35 on ventilators. Now you tell me what that means.
 
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gator1776 said:
You would. And as I have told many of my friends and family and patients and patient’s family, I’ve admitted and taken care of hundreds of Covid patients but I have yet to admit and take care of a single covid Vaccine reaction severe enough to require hospitalization and meticulous severe enough to require my level of care.

If all of these horrible things that supposedly happen because of this vaccine were actually happening it is impossible that I would not have seen one of those patients by now with 150 million people vaccinated in this country. That’s not to say there are not some adverse reactions, but as has been said multiple times they are mild and self limited and seldom require hospitalization or higher level of care.

So currently I have zero Covid vaccine related adverse reactions in the hospital but I have over 200 Covid infected patients in the hospital including 35 on ventilators. Now you tell me what that means.
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Sister said something similar to me a while back. She said…
“brother, we aren’t treating people with side effects from covid vax(short or long term). We are however, treating covid patients and patients who have come back in with long term side effects from covid. And we would much rather treat your vaccine side effects than covid”

It really hit home
 
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jfegaly said:
Sister said something similar to me a while back. She said…
“brother, we aren’t treating people with side effects from covid (short or long term). We are however, treating covid patients and patients who have come back in with long term side effects from covid. And we would much rather treat your vaccine side effects than covid”

It really hit home
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Yeah that’s one of those you can really sink your teeth in. And because you’re probably like to question things it’s good to hear from multiple sources and not just me. I think we all have similar things to say in our experiences at our hospitals.

Shows good use of logic from a skeptic :)
 
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gator1776 said:
Yeah that’s one of those you can really sink your teeth in. And because you’re probably like to question things it’s good to hear from multiple sources and not just me. I think we all have similar things to say in our experiences at our hospitals.

Shows good use of logic from a skeptic :)
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Just noticed I forgot the word vax from her first sentence. Edited,..it makes more sense now
 
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jfegaly said:
Just noticed I forgot the word vax from her first sentence. Edited,..it makes more sense now
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I followed what you were saying. Careful though you must speak Even a little bit and somebody May try and make that the topic of discussion
Over and over again instead of the actual topic at hand.
 
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gator1776 said:
I followed what you were saying. Careful though you must speak Even a little bit and somebody May try and make that the topic of discussion
Over and over again instead of the actual topic at hand.
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I will be careful, that being said it was pretty simple to admit my mistake. 😉
 
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dingyibvs said:
I hear plenty about those who have mild symptoms. Plenty of my colleagues, friends, staff, and acquaintances have caught it. One of them was admitted to the hospital (she was one of the few who was unvaccinated), but most others had mild symptoms while some were out for a couple weeks.

The thing is, if someone has a severe vaccine reaction, who do you think they'd go see? It'd be people like me or @gator1776. That is, it would be the the same people who treat COVID patients. The fact is that we rarely see severe vaccine reactions, but we do see heck a lot of severe COVID. Given that well over half the country has now been vaccinated, you'd expect a similar number of patients due to vaccine reactions if the risk is at all similar to COVID infections, wouldn't you?
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Yea while I’m not looking forward to the flu like symptoms I’m going to have, short term isn’t my concern with the vaccines.

Where do the trillions of spike proteins end up? Have we really closed the book on ADE? Does mRNA have any effects on your body’s ability to fight cancer, Parkinson’s, etc longer term? Why do we have 30 years of research and trials and zero approved mRNA treatments until we faced this Chinese bioweapon?

I don’t think I’m going to experience anything but feeling like total ass butt tomorrow, which I can handle. It’s down the road, the endless boosters, etc that concern me more.
 
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jfegaly said:
I will be careful, that being said it was pretty simple to admit my mistake. 😉
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Yours was a typo mistake mine was an exercise in semantics. We always called it a vaccine whenever we gave it and I did pediatrics for four years :)
Was easier for the families to understand it that way and it became a force of habit.
 
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fatman76 said:
Yea while I’m not looking forward to the flu like symptoms I’m going to have, short term isn’t my concern with the vaccines.

Where do the trillions of spike proteins end up? Have we really closed the book on ADE? Does mRNA have any effects on your body’s ability to fight cancer, Parkinson’s, etc longer term? Why do we have 30 years of research and trials and zero approved mRNA treatments until we faced this Chinese bioweapon?

I don’t think I’m going to experience anything but feeling like total ass butt tomorrow, which I can handle. It’s down the road, the endless boosters, etc that concern me more.
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Maybe you will get lucky like we did. Neither one of us got any flu like symptoms. Maybe they shot us up with placebo!!!! 🤔🤔
 
fatman76 said:
Yea I’ve heard from a few people the Janssen knocks you down for awhile. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.
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It’s the traditional vaccine so it’s probably gonna make you feel a little bit like crap for a day or two. But, God for bid you get real Covid in his bag, and approve your survival rate by 99% so in the end man I really do think it’s worth it. Should be able to take Tylenol you may want to take some Tylenol before you get the shot just a premedicate a little bit.
 
fatman76 said:
Yea I’ve heard from a few people the Janssen knocks you down for awhile. Expecting the worst, hoping for the best.
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Lots of alcohol. The goodnews, with jannsen you get to keep your penis.

For now anyway. 10 years from now? It turns into a penis smurf I believe.

Trying to lighten it up a little @fatman76 We were nervous as well. The goodnews? Something I spent alot of time researching snd stressing…..I don’t anymore.
 
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gator1776 said:
And @jfegaly just had a sore penis for three days. Everyone was confused but he insisted That he had read a tweet that said that was the safest place to get the shot.
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Thats not the normal location for the injection site?

Goodnews….for three days I got to use the excuse of “just rubbing the soreness out”

After a week, the wife caught on.
 
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For what it’s worth, I got two Pfizer shots and did not notice any side-effects after either jab, which actually worries me a little bit. I was hoping for some indication that my immune system was getting a decent workout.
 
fatman76 said:
Yea while I’m not looking forward to the flu like symptoms I’m going to have, short term isn’t my concern with the vaccines.

Where do the trillions of spike proteins end up? Have we really closed the book on ADE? Does mRNA have any effects on your body’s ability to fight cancer, Parkinson’s, etc longer term? Why do we have 30 years of research and trials and zero approved mRNA treatments until we faced this Chinese bioweapon?

I don’t think I’m going to experience anything but feeling like total ass butt tomorrow, which I can handle. It’s down the road, the endless boosters, etc that concern me more.
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There are some pretty logical answers to your questions, and I think you can also look at things from a different perspective. Spike proteins will get degraded by the body, as will the mRNA. It's the same for all other proteins and mRNA in your body. Looking at it from a different perspective, COVID itself produces a lot of spike proteins and RNA, why aren't you worried about that?

As for whether it can affect your body's ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc. I can't really think of a mechanism that would affect these things, but then again, we don't know what we don't know.
With that said, you could say the same about every new medicine that comes to the market, or heck, every new disease like COVID. Looking at this from a different perspective, how do you know getting COVID, even an asymptomatic case, won't affect your ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc?

30 years of research and trials accomplished less than we did in 1 year because we spent more in 1 year than we did in 30 years on mRNA vaccines. It's the same reason we went to the moon multiple times in the 60's and 70's and haven't been back in the 50 years since. It's not because our technology regressed, it's because money makes things happen.
 
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dingyibvs said:
There are some pretty logical answers to your questions, and I think you can also look at things from a different perspective. Spike proteins will get degraded by the body, as will the mRNA. It's the same for all other proteins and mRNA in your body. Looking at it from a different perspective, COVID itself produces a lot of spike proteins and RNA, why aren't you worried about that?

As for whether it can affect your body's ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc. I can't really think of a mechanism that would affect these things, but then again, we don't know what we don't know.
With that said, you could say the same about every new medicine that comes to the market, or heck, every new disease like COVID. Looking at this from a different perspective, how do you know getting COVID, even an asymptomatic case, won't affect your ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc?

30 years of research and trials accomplished less than we did in 1 year because we spent more in 1 year than we did in 30 years on mRNA vaccines. It's the same reason we went to the moon multiple times in the 60's and 70's and haven't been back in the 50 years since. It's not because our technology regressed, it's because money makes things happen.
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Excellent points.
 
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FDA warns against use of vaccine under age 12


FDA, CDC Warn Against Use Of COVID-19 Vaccines In Children Under 12​

The Wall Street Journal (8/24, Subscription Publication) reports the FDA and CDC have warned against off-label use of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine in children under 12, citing the absence of safety data and the likelihood that a different dosage may be needed in this patient population. The American Academy of Pediatrics also has warned physicians and parents against vaccinating younger children. AAP committee on infectious diseases vice chairman Sean O’Leary said there is insufficient safety and tolerability data for 5-to-11 year olds.

Meanwhile, CNN (8/24) says, “Parents and pediatricians are growing impatient for a COVID-19 vaccine for younger children.”

FURTHER READING

CDC: Clinicians Administering COVID-19 Vaccines Off-label Risk Losing Liability Protection, Payment

AAP: Don’t Use COVID-19 Vaccine Off-label For Children

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gator1776 said:
FDA warns against use of vaccine under age 12


FDA, CDC Warn Against Use Of COVID-19 Vaccines In Children Under 12​

The Wall Street Journal (8/24, Subscription Publication) reports the FDA and CDC have warned against off-label use of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine in children under 12, citing the absence of safety data and the likelihood that a different dosage may be needed in this patient population. The American Academy of Pediatrics also has warned physicians and parents against vaccinating younger children. AAP committee on infectious diseases vice chairman Sean O’Leary said there is insufficient safety and tolerability data for 5-to-11 year olds.

Meanwhile, CNN (8/24) says, “Parents and pediatricians are growing impatient for a COVID-19 vaccine for younger children.”

FURTHER READING

CDC: Clinicians Administering COVID-19 Vaccines Off-label Risk Losing Liability Protection, Payment

AAP: Don’t Use COVID-19 Vaccine Off-label For Children

@fatman76
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Sounds like some trials didn't go so well...

Lot's of fear porn on Twitter that 500k kids are headed to the Hospital/ICU inside 90 days.

Time will tell...I think we shut down schools long before if it gets bad.
 
dingyibvs said:
There are some pretty logical answers to your questions, and I think you can also look at things from a different perspective. Spike proteins will get degraded by the body, as will the mRNA. It's the same for all other proteins and mRNA in your body. Looking at it from a different perspective, COVID itself produces a lot of spike proteins and RNA, why aren't you worried about that?

As for whether it can affect your body's ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc. I can't really think of a mechanism that would affect these things, but then again, we don't know what we don't know.
With that said, you could say the same about every new medicine that comes to the market, or heck, every new disease like COVID. Looking at this from a different perspective, how do you know getting COVID, even an asymptomatic case, won't affect your ability to fight cancer, Parkinson's, etc?

30 years of research and trials accomplished less than we did in 1 year because we spent more in 1 year than we did in 30 years on mRNA vaccines. It's the same reason we went to the moon multiple times in the 60's and 70's and haven't been back in the 50 years since. It's not because our technology regressed, it's because money makes things happen.
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I'm obviously concerned about Covid enough to take the shot, but I'm a little confused by your phrasing.

Isn't the Sars Cov-2 virus a spike protein in and of itself? It doesn't cause production like the vaccines?

As far as any conjecture about what messing with RNA does to your immune system, that's fringe stuff but I still don't know if it's been answered fully yet. We do know RNA plays a role in how you fight certain disease, I'm just not sure we know what the use of mRNA to "trick" it does long term. You might be right, maybe it's harmless.

I think the medical community is still learning about the effects of your body producing so much spike protein - I read each does of Moderna can result in up to 40T spike proteins. Is there a limit to what the body can dispose of? Do we know what repeated pumping of spike protein does long term? Either way I hope you're right...I already think these vaccines are a medical miracle, I just don't know if there's a surprise lying in the weeds.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Be aware of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein: There is more than meets the eye - PubMed

The COVID-19 pandemic necessitated the rapid production of vaccines aimed at the production of neutralizing antibodies against the COVID-19 spike protein required for the corona virus binding to target cells. The best well-known vaccines have utilized either mRNA or an adenovirus vector to...
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In case anyone hasn't read the full consent...this is pretty fvcked up. It would be nice if the authorities that are pushing so hard for people to get vaccinated would step up and offer help if things don't go well. You want people to feel better and get vaxxed? Step up and stand behind them.

I believe the benefits outweigh the risks, and I accept full responsibility for any reactions that may result from my receipt of the immunization or the receipt of the immunization by the person named below for whom I am the legal representative. * I agree that my vaccine-related health information may be required to be or may voluntarily be disclosed to my health care provider, my insurance plan, and state or federal registries or other public health authorities, for purposes of treatment, payment or health care operations. I also agree that the organization providing my vaccine may use and disclose my health information as described in its Notice of Privacy Practices. *
 
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Gator Fever said:
www.yahoo.com

'Keep your guard up': CDC studies show waning COVID-19 vaccine efficacy as delta variant sweeps US

Unvaccinated people in Los Angeles were more than 29 times more likely to be hospitalized than the vaccinated, according to a CDC study.
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A key point:

"A second study found about a quarter of COVID-19 cases between May and July in Los Angeles were breakthrough cases, but that hospitalizations were significantly lower for those who had been vaccinated. Unvaccinated people were more than 29 times more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people, and about five times more likely to be infected."
 
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SORT14 said:
A key point:

"A second study found about a quarter of COVID-19 cases between May and July in Los Angeles were breakthrough cases, but that hospitalizations were significantly lower for those who had been vaccinated. Unvaccinated people were more than 29 times more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated people, and about five times more likely to be infected."
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Oh my


BOMBSHELL UK data destroys entire premise for vaccine push​


chriswaldburger.substack.com

BOMBSHELL UK data destroys entire premise for vaccine push

The media can read just as well as me (maybe), but somehow it is left to me to report this.
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This is an absolute game-changer.

The UK government just reported the following data, tucked away in their report on variants of concern:

Less than a third of delta variant deaths are in the unvaccinated.

Let me say that another way - two-thirds of Delta deaths in the UK are in the jabbed.

To be specific:

From the 1st of February to the 2nd of August, the UK recorded 742 Delta deaths (yes, the dreaded Delta has not taken that much life).

Out of the 742 deaths, 402 were fully vaccinated. 79 had received one shot. Only 253 were unvaccinated.

The report is here.

But this is the crucial page. Look at the bottom line.
 
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