In more breaking news Germany bombed Pearl HarborWorth repeating
FYI this came out yesterday and it was already discussed
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FYI this came out yesterday and it was already discussed
In more breaking news Germany bombed Pearl Harbor
FYI this came out yesterday and it was already discussed
Is you own Malpractice Insurance all paid up? Yes or No???
Yep a few people that their family had to get court orders to force the hospital to allow use of it actually came back from being on a ventilator and one in a coma also after being given invermectin. The crooked blood money hospitals refused to even administer it after the order and they had to get outside doctors to come and do it. Its crazy how this subject gets big Pharma and the crooks at the FDA to actively oppose it despite many doctors results with it.
Again. Worth repeatingIn more breaking news Germany bombed Pearl Harbor
FYI this came out yesterday and it was already discussed
While the 1776 Clown doc-tor is willing to continue to let his patients die while there are proven cures available. But this Clown thinks that my cred is bad....
Me and my better half continue to be both Fung Flu & Vaccine FREE....
We only wear a mask when it's required and when we need the service provided.
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Florida's AD Stricklin announced that they will not require a vaccine or a negative test to attend ANY events on campus, classes or games. They would have, but they were over-ruled by someone that actually follows the science. (thanks yet again to Republican Governor Ron DeSantis)
>>> Of those that have died since they began using the vaccines, over 65% of those now dead were fully vaccinated.
Ron has also recently ordered the availability of the ivermectin antibodies to be made more readily available in Florida to fight the Communist Red Chinese Wuhan Bio-warfare Lab's (intentionally released imo) Kung Flu.
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GatorsTerritory - Florida will not require vaccine or negative test to attend games
UF will not be requiring a COVID 19 vaccination or proof of a negative test result to attend football games this fall.florida.rivals.com
About Ivermectin:
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro.
A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and safety of ivermectin among adult SARS-CoV-2 patients. The trial included 72 hospitalized patients in Dhaka, Bangladesh, who were assigned to one of three groups: oral ivermectin alone (12 mg once daily for 5 days), oral ivermectin in combination with doxycycline (12 mg ivermectin single dose and 200 mg doxycycline on day 1, followed by 100 mg every 12 h for the next 4 days), and a placebo control group. Clinical symptoms of fever, cough, and sore throat were comparable among the three groups. Virological clearance was earlier in the 5-day ivermectin treatment arm when compared to the placebo group (9.7 days vs 12.7 days; p = 0.02), but this was not the case for the ivermectin + doxycycline arm (11.5 days; p = 0.27). There were no severe adverse drug events recorded in the study. A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating adult patients with mild COVID-19. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings.
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness - PubMed
Ivermectin, a US Food and Drug Administration-approved anti-parasitic agent, was found to inhibit severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) replication in vitro. A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was conducted to determine the rapidity of viral clearance and...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Because unlike the idiot Clown doc-tor crap that you post, positive news bears repeating....
Hey remind me when you were having a heart attack what was the name of the idiot clown doctor you turn to to save your life? Asking for a friend.Because unlike the idiot Clown doc-tor crap that you post, positive news bears repeating....
I guarantee that it wasn't an incompetent Clown doc-tor like you....
Strawman BS from the Clown doc-tor is the usual for this clueless incompetent fool.
I've never said that ALL doctors are bad, just the ones like you that let patients die while you carelessly celebrate your 7 figure income.... (your only friends, if you actually have any, are likely clueless Rats)
Yes or No on that Malpractice Insurance, your poor uninformed patients need to know....
OK just making sure I understand. You hate everything to do with medicine, you think we’re all just here to steal your money, but when the shit hits the fan you run to the hospital like everybody else does. Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.I guarantee that it wasn't an incompetent Clown doc-tor like you....
Strawman BS from the Clown doc-tor is the usual for this clueless incompetent fool.
I've never said that ALL doctors are bad, just the ones like you that let patients die while you carelessly celebrate your 7 figure income.... (your only friends, if you actually have any, are likely clueless Rats)
Yes or No on that Malpractice Insurance, your poor uninformed patients need to know....
@jfegaly remember how I told you I don't think anything we do really treats COVID by the time they get to me (on vent or high flow oxygen in ICU). This is what I was seeing as well, things like this.
THIS SAID, I DO THING MONCOLONAL AB THERAPY IF USED VERY EARLY IN MILD TO MODERATE DISEASE LIKELY SAVES LIVES AND IS OUR BEST ACTUAL TREATMENT. ALL TREATMENTS THAT DO WORK WORK BETTER IF GIVEN VERY EARLY IN DISEASE.
Original Investigation Infectious Diseases
July 15, 2021
Association of Remdesivir Treatment With Survival and Length of Hospital Stay Among US Veterans Hospitalized With COVID-19
Michael E. Ohl, MD, MSPH1,2; Donald R. Miller, ScD3,4; Brian C. Lund, PharmD1; et alTakaaki Kobayashi, MD1,2; Kelly Richardson Miell, PhD1; Brice F. Beck, MA1; Bruce Alexander, PharmD1; Kristina Crothers, MD5,6; Mary S. Vaughan Sarrazin, PhD1,2
Author Affiliations Article Information
JAMA Netw Open. 2021;4(7):e2114741. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2021.14741
COVID-19 Resource Center
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Question Is remdesivir treatment associated with improved survival or shortened hospitalizations among people with COVID-19 in routine care settings?
Findings In this cohort study of 2344 US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19, remdesivir therapy was not associated with improved 30-day survival but was associated with a significant increase in median time to hospital discharge.
Meaning The findings suggest that routine use of remdesivir may be associated with increased use of hospital beds but not with improvements in survival.
Abstract
Importance Randomized clinical trials have yielded conflicting results about the effects of remdesivir therapy on survival and length of hospital stay among people with COVID-19.
Objective To examine associations between remdesivir treatment and survival and length of hospital stay among people hospitalized with COVID-19 in routine care settings.
Design, Setting, and Participants This retrospective cohort study used data from the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) to identify adult patients in 123 VHA hospitals who had a first hospitalization with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 from May 1 to October 8, 2020. Propensity score matching of patients initiating remdesivir treatment to control patients who had not initiated remdesivir treatment by the same hospital day was used to create the analytic cohort.
Exposures Remdesivir treatment.
Main Outcomes and Measures Time to death within 30 days of remdesivir treatment initiation (or corresponding hospital day for matched control individuals) and time to hospital discharge with time to death as a competing event. Associations between remdesivir treatment and these outcomes were assessed using Cox proportional hazards regression in the matched cohort.
Results The initial cohort included 5898 patients admitted to 123 hospitals, 2374 (40.3%) of whom received remdesivir treatment (2238 men [94.3%]; mean [SD] age, 67.8 [12.8] years) and 3524 (59.7%) of whom never received remdesivir treatment (3302 men [93.7%]; mean [SD] age, 67.0 [14.4] years). After propensity score matching, the analysis included 1172 remdesivir recipients and 1172 controls, for a final matched cohort of 2344 individuals. Remdesivir recipients and matched controls were similar with regard to age (mean [SD], 66.6 [14.2] years vs 67.5 [14.1] years), sex (1101 men [93.9%] vs 1101 men [93.9%]), dexamethasone use (559 [47.7%] vs 559 [47.7%]), admission to the intensive care unit (242 [20.7%] vs 234 [19.1%]), and mechanical ventilation use (69 [5.9%] vs 45 [3.8%]). Standardized differences were less than 10% for all measures. Remdesivir treatment was not associated with 30-day mortality (143 remdesivir recipients [12.2%] vs 124 controls [10.6%]; log rank P = .26; adjusted hazard ratio
, 1.06; 95% CI, 0.83-1.36). Results were similar for people receiving vs not receiving dexamethasone at remdesivir initiation (dexamethasone recipients: adjusted HR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.64-1.35; nonrecipients: adjusted HR, 1.19; 95% CI, 0.84-1.69). Remdesivir recipients had a longer median time to hospital discharge compared with matched controls (6 days [interquartile range, 4-12 days] vs 3 days [interquartile range, 1-7 days]; P < .001).
Conclusions and Relevance In this cohort study of US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19, remdesivir treatment was not associated with improved survival but was associated with longer hospital stays. Routine use of remdesivir may be associated with increased use of hospital beds while not being associated with improvements in survival.
@SORT14 @dingyibvs @testy524 @kjfreeze @fatman76 @BamaFan1137
THIS SAID, I DO THING MONCOLONAL AB THERAPY IF USED VERY EARLY IN MILD TO MODERATE DISEASE LIKELY SAVES LIVES AND IS OUR BEST ACTUAL TREATMENT. ALL TREATMENTS THAT DO WORK WORK BETTER IF GIVEN VERY EARLY IN DISEASE.
Original Investigation Infectious Diseases
July 15, 2021
Association of Remdesivir Treatment With Survival and Length of Hospital Stay Among US Veterans Hospitalized With COVID-19
Michael E. Ohl, MD, MSPH1,2; Donald R. Miller, ScD3,4; Brian C. Lund, PharmD1; et alTakaaki Kobayashi, MD1,2; Kelly Richardson Miell, PhD1; Brice F. Beck, MA1; Bruce Alexander, PharmD1; Kristina Crothers, MD5,6; Mary S. Vaughan Sarrazin, PhD1,2
Author Affiliations Article Information
JAMA Netw Open. 2021;4(7):e2114741. doi:10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2021.14741
COVID-19 Resource Center
editorial comment icon
Editorial
Comment
Key Points
Question Is remdesivir treatment associated with improved survival or shortened hospitalizations among people with COVID-19 in routine care settings?
Findings In this cohort study of 2344 US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19, remdesivir therapy was not associated with improved 30-day survival but was associated with a significant increase in median time to hospital discharge.
Meaning The findings suggest that routine use of remdesivir may be associated with increased use of hospital beds but not with improvements in survival.
Abstract
Importance Randomized clinical trials have yielded conflicting results about the effects of remdesivir therapy on survival and length of hospital stay among people with COVID-19.
Objective To examine associations between remdesivir treatment and survival and length of hospital stay among people hospitalized with COVID-19 in routine care settings.
Design, Setting, and Participants This retrospective cohort study used data from the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) to identify adult patients in 123 VHA hospitals who had a first hospitalization with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 from May 1 to October 8, 2020. Propensity score matching of patients initiating remdesivir treatment to control patients who had not initiated remdesivir treatment by the same hospital day was used to create the analytic cohort.
Exposures Remdesivir treatment.
Main Outcomes and Measures Time to death within 30 days of remdesivir treatment initiation (or corresponding hospital day for matched control individuals) and time to hospital discharge with time to death as a competing event. Associations between remdesivir treatment and these outcomes were assessed using Cox proportional hazards regression in the matched cohort.
Results The initial cohort included 5898 patients admitted to 123 hospitals, 2374 (40.3%) of whom received remdesivir treatment (2238 men [94.3%]; mean [SD] age, 67.8 [12.8] years) and 3524 (59.7%) of whom never received remdesivir treatment (3302 men [93.7%]; mean [SD] age, 67.0 [14.4] years). After propensity score matching, the analysis included 1172 remdesivir recipients and 1172 controls, for a final matched cohort of 2344 individuals. Remdesivir recipients and matched controls were similar with regard to age (mean [SD], 66.6 [14.2] years vs 67.5 [14.1] years), sex (1101 men [93.9%] vs 1101 men [93.9%]), dexamethasone use (559 [47.7%] vs 559 [47.7%]), admission to the intensive care unit (242 [20.7%] vs 234 [19.1%]), and mechanical ventilation use (69 [5.9%] vs 45 [3.8%]). Standardized differences were less than 10% for all measures. Remdesivir treatment was not associated with 30-day mortality (143 remdesivir recipients [12.2%] vs 124 controls [10.6%]; log rank P = .26; adjusted hazard ratio
, 1.06; 95% CI, 0.83-1.36). Results were similar for people receiving vs not receiving dexamethasone at remdesivir initiation (dexamethasone recipients: adjusted HR, 0.93; 95% CI, 0.64-1.35; nonrecipients: adjusted HR, 1.19; 95% CI, 0.84-1.69). Remdesivir recipients had a longer median time to hospital discharge compared with matched controls (6 days [interquartile range, 4-12 days] vs 3 days [interquartile range, 1-7 days]; P < .001).
Conclusions and Relevance In this cohort study of US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19, remdesivir treatment was not associated with improved survival but was associated with longer hospital stays. Routine use of remdesivir may be associated with increased use of hospital beds while not being associated with improvements in survival.
@SORT14 @dingyibvs @testy524 @kjfreeze @fatman76 @BamaFan1137
Not sure why people are hi jacking the thread with weird personal attacks, but the information flow has been pretty good here with the exception of a few tabloid headlines posted as if they were factual. Hopefully we can continue to have the adult discussions I’ve been seeing
How Humanity’s 'Unbound Confidence' in Science Can Undermine Reason—and Lead to Collectivism
"...Indeed, all of our policy world has been built in the last year on the voice of science, on the insights made by epidemiologists, who often, as they themselves would probably admit particularly when it comes to the early stages of the pandemic—were clueless about what was happening. When decisions were to be made on new restrictions or mandates—or whether we could reclaim our ultimately constitutionally guaranteed rights—it was for the “experts” to make the decision. The result has been more than a year of restrictions that none of us could have ever imagined.
We obviously don’t know what Hayek would have said if he had lived during the COVID pandemic. But the crisis is a prime example of the warnings he already made several decades ago when he warned of elevating science beyond its purpose.
One might say, in the end, that Hayek would have probably taken great value in the findings of Dr. Anthony Fauci and all his colleagues around the world. But the decision on what the government does or not should have never been in the hands of these specialized “experts.”
Perhaps, then, by not indulging in the pretense of scientific knowledge, we would put the individual and his or her freedoms and dignity at the center again...."
A 40-Year-Old Warning on How Humanity’s 'Unbound Confidence' in Science Can Undermine Reason—and Lead to Collectivism
The scientific revolution has brought us many advances. But more than four decades ago, a Nobel Prize-winning economist warned about the dark side of an "unbounded confidence" in science.
fee.org
Ive read Hayeks Road to Serfdom. Would recommend to everyone along with Friedman and Sowell. No, there should be no worship for science per se, but instead for the scientific method, and it’s underlying key component- logical reasoning. Ultimately, tabloid headlines are written by people with malevolent goals, which is to entice and mislead in the name of profiteering. Of course, there are scientists who do the same, but not at the same ratio. Worship logic and you are simply better off.How Humanity’s 'Unbound Confidence' in Science Can Undermine Reason—and Lead to Collectivism
"...Indeed, all of our policy world has been built in the last year on the voice of science, on the insights made by epidemiologists, who often, as they themselves would probably admit particularly when it comes to the early stages of the pandemic—were clueless about what was happening. When decisions were to be made on new restrictions or mandates—or whether we could reclaim our ultimately constitutionally guaranteed rights—it was for the “experts” to make the decision. The result has been more than a year of restrictions that none of us could have ever imagined.
We obviously don’t know what Hayek would have said if he had lived during the COVID pandemic. But the crisis is a prime example of the warnings he already made several decades ago when he warned of elevating science beyond its purpose.
One might say, in the end, that Hayek would have probably taken great value in the findings of Dr. Anthony Fauci and all his colleagues around the world. But the decision on what the government does or not should have never been in the hands of these specialized “experts.”
Perhaps, then, by not indulging in the pretense of scientific knowledge, we would put the individual and his or her freedoms and dignity at the center again...."
A 40-Year-Old Warning on How Humanity’s 'Unbound Confidence' in Science Can Undermine Reason—and Lead to Collectivism
The scientific revolution has brought us many advances. But more than four decades ago, a Nobel Prize-winning economist warned about the dark side of an "unbounded confidence" in science.
Worship God but use logic in deciding how you should proceed when making your own decisions. Logic can lead to more than one outcome because we may be created equal but we are all different and unique just like our fingerprints.
Logic is making a prudent choice when it comes to trade offs. In this sense, logic is a constant but it’s specific application is unique. Our situations are as unique as our fingerprints, but the strategy of making good decisions based upon available evidence, logic, is key.
Drug designed to treat COVID-19 could help people heal from virus, researchers claim
Researchers said the drug can help prevent people from getting COVID and will also be able to save patients who are severely sick.
Some real interesting stuff in this one.
Pediatric COVID-19 Hospitalizations Reach Record High In US
Fox News (8/26) reports “pediatric COVID-19-related hospitalizations have hit all-time highs in the U.S., with the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reporting over 50,660 admissions through the month of August thus far.” The current seven-day “average, calculated for the week of Aug. 17-Aug. 23, is about 309 daily hospital admissions among Americans ages 0-17 with confirmed COVID-19, marking a peak high.” That “number marks an 11.4% increase from the prior 7-day average of 277.” Authorities “are concerned that parents may seek off-label use for the vaccine in children that have not yet been deemed eligible.”Meanwhile, TIME (8/26) reports, “There is no evidence that the Delta variant is causing more severe disease than previous strains, says Dr. Sean O’Leary, vice chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) committee on infectious diseases.” TIME adds, “Less than 2% of children who have caught COVID-19 during this wave landed in the hospital – roughly the same percentage as during earlier phases of the pandemic, according to a TIME analysis of AAP and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services data.”
Oh goody:
“They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients. Sequencing of strains confirmed the workers transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to one another,” McCullough noted.
Some U.S. scientists have made the same observations. The CDC has confirmed the Covid vaccines have failed to stop transmission of the virus.
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
The scientists studied healthcare workers who were unable to leave the hospital for two weeks. The data showed that fully vaccinated workers — about two months after injection with the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine — acquired, carried and presumably transmitted the Delta variant to their vaccinated colleagues.“They almost certainly also passed the Delta infection to susceptible unvaccinated people, including their patients. Sequencing of strains confirmed the workers transmitted SARS-CoV-2 to one another,” McCullough noted.
Some U.S. scientists have made the same observations. The CDC has confirmed the Covid vaccines have failed to stop transmission of the virus.
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/
Lots of logic in here…..yes it’s long, yes it’s entertaining, and yes he doesn’t get into the weeds. Non political IMO
zdoggmd.com
FDA Approval & Pfizer Calls It "Comirnaty??"
What FDA approval means, and why that name is so stupid.
zdoggmd.com
Interesting. Here are the limitations of the study;
Location, it was one hospital in Vietnam
Sample size it was an N of 64
Vaccine type, they are using a vaccine we do not use.
Workflow, we do not cloister our staff in the hospital for two weeks which could greatly affect the outcomes
Worthy of better research done in the United States, Canada, or England, with a much larger sample size, multiple hospitals, and using the vaccines that we actually use.
Shorter video…..good one for the artist formerly known as mcstuffins. That approach, ahem.
What irks me to the point of screaming is when people say "science is settled". No the fuk it is not. It's a consensus of what is known at a certain date, nothing more. And even that isn't a consensus. MMGW is no more settled than my bowels after eating several jalapenos. 😡
It's obvious we still know far too little about these viruses and their antidotes, we don't know what we don't know, even if the vaccines seem to help.
Stolen!! 😂
Listen man we get it, but this is the same lame Schtick liberals use.
Be better. Read the article and come with a fact or two about how his interpretation is wrong.
The tweet does not constitute facts even when it has pretty graphs. And garbage and equals garbage out when it comes to science. Facts are not that easy to fine. As evidenced by the fact that you’re primary source of information has degrees in history and economics.
That irks me too because science is never settled and those that understand the scientific method realize that. Dogmatic scientist that worships the science with a closed mind is equally frustrating as it dogmatic religious nut that worships his religion without the divinity.
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So I got some more messenger RNA shot in my arm yesterday. I can feel the spike proteins already. I was eight months out from my first two shots and it was time. My arm is moderately sore and I do feel like I’ve gotten a mild flu bug, which is good, means my body is responding to it. Hopefully it’ll last till tomorrow morning and no longer and I just don’t step on some Tylenol.
There’s an ignore feature. Suggest you use it. As for the schtick, it’s not a schitck. It is the truth as is the overwhelming evidence. This is my actual area of expertise, pulmonary infections and their treatment and supportive care. I have read far more about this than you guys ever will so I will continue to post. And I will continue to point out what background in training the people other people post have by comparison.
Now go ahead and call me arrogant despite the fact that I agree with you guys are 90% of everything else and respect and value your opinions on everything else, because that schtick sure isn’t old either.
Most of his stuff is backed up by data that can be checked and if he is wrong on something he corrects it. He is a good source on Covid studies and data.
There’s a way to go about things and a way not to, for whatever reason you continue to….well, pretty sure everyone knows. Smdh.
Wow. Settle down cowboy.
All I’m asking you to do is use your expertise to enlighten us as to why what he posts is total BS. It does no good to just go after the source and never provide any details or info…and it’s a wasted opportunity.
Just stumbled on this (let me know what you think):
I will go so far as to offer a form of an apology. I realized to some of you I come across as a gigantic arrogant prick on this particular topic. And yes I have spent far more time researching and learning this field than most. But I should be more open minded and understanding but it’s been a really long four weeks. We went from one or two Covid patients in a hospital of 500 beds to well over 200 Covid patients in about four weeks. And I have watched 12 patients die so far from Covid and I think it does wear on me even when I don’t like to admit it.
In my first two months working at this hospital I signed three death certificates. In the last three weeks working at this hospital I have seen 12 death certificates and I have three more waiting to be signed. Doctors don’t become doctors to watch people die.
So I apologize for my heavy-handed nature and my passion about this, it’s just difficult when the research is overwhelming that had these people gotten vaccinated the majority of them would still be alive right now.
That’s the best I can do, I know most of you guys are good guys and smart guys too.
I’m also just glad you’re vaccinated to my friend
Will read later. Currently in the ICU
Agree 100%. Science is not about “being settled”. It is about investigation and rigorous logic that is falsifiable. And there is very little if any consensus in science.
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