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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

It’s funny that NOW they want to have an open discussion.

Where I do blame the Trump administration is allowing immunity to big pharma to not be held liable for any vaccine injuries.
I really think at his core, Trump is an idealistic democrat. He believed Fauci and the 'medical community' wanted to help Americans, at the end of the day. He's much like @Uniformed_ReRe in that regard.

Where he differs, is Trump was able to process new information and change his opinion on Fauci and those pushing the shots.
 
He was in a bad position with all that mess but he of all people should know how crooked these people can be. He probably never spoke to them but some really qualified medical/science people made the case early how dangerous it was playing with that mRNA stuff and the spike protein and suggested that we would probably see what came to pass.
One of Trump’s biggest flaws is his selection of people around him.

He’s made some amazing hires but his presidency was partially derailed by swamp rats he didn’t know to purge.

His job was to pave the way for the vaccine by cutting red tape. I don’t think in a million years he could have predicted how dangerous they were - when’s the last time a flu shot caused heart attacks?

Lastly - he wasn’t a mandate guy. He always supported freedom of choice, and still does.
 
One of Trump’s biggest flaws is his selection of people around him.

He’s made some amazing hires but his presidency was partially derailed by swamp rats he didn’t know to purge.

His job was to pave the way for the vaccine by cutting red tape. I don’t think in a million years he could have predicted how dangerous they were - when’s the last time a flu shot caused heart attacks?

Lastly - he wasn’t a mandate guy. He always supported freedom of choice, and still does.

Yep that is why his supporters don't hold it against him much. The DeSantis crowd was trying to use it but DeSantis is on video parroting everything Trump said at the time.
 
If they hadn't there would have been no vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna know/knew the shots were dangerous.

That's why we rushed to get them approved for kids. Any vaccine approved for use in children automatically indemnifies the manufacturer from liability litigation in all ages.

I can guarantee you Pfizer threatened to pull the shots when the EUA expired...denying politicians and lobbyists of their kickbacks and Pfizer execs their bonuses.
I don’t disagree with any of this but if this has taught society anything, don’t rush.

Covid or flu, the people with many underlying health issues were going to die regardless. The vaccinated are now dying many times over, the means didn’t justify the end unless you truly believe in population control and then by all means it justified the end result.
 

Now There's PROOF: The White House Was Behind Facebook's COVID-19 Censorship​

During the discovery phase of the Missouri v. Biden lawsuit, alleging social media censorship efforts by the Biden White House, Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry unearthed documents proving that the government was directly involved in shutting down discussions related to the Covid pandemic—the most damning proof we’ve seen yet of First Amendment violations.

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Now There's PROOF: The White House Was Behind Facebook's COVID-19 Censorship​

During the discovery phase of the Missouri v. Biden lawsuit, alleging social media censorship efforts by the Biden White House, Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry unearthed documents proving that the government was directly involved in shutting down discussions related to the Covid pandemic—the most damning proof we’ve seen yet of First Amendment violations.

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Good to confirm, but did anyone really ever think it was only Twitter?

And of course, crickets from our lib friends.

This isn't hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. We live in a top-down totalitarian state. They are in control and we are not.
 
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I doubt Pfizer has anything to worry about as far as lawsuits. The crooks in the Govt and FDA made sure they were covered to release these clot shots. Not in the US anyway.
 
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Nothing to see here, just an email from Facebook to the World Health Organization where FB is admitting that it will censor TRUE CONTENT on the vaccine because it is content that discourages the shots, but was also gaining traction.

@Uniformed_ReRe @G8trDad3 in the past you both have talked about how there's so much content out there that's pro-shots, that you believe the 'consensus of the medical community' and such.

Now you are seeing for yourself why everyone was saying the same thing: Because the other side of the argument was intentionally being censored.
 
Here's a shot to prevent dying from Covid.

Oh, it injured your heart? We're sorry, here's a shot to help heal your heart.

See, we really do care here at Moderna.

@Uniformed_ReRe - if the shots were really safe, why?


I would have to read some objective scientists views on this. I have heard mRNA might be useful for some medical things and not that dangerous from some people in the field that were screaming not to take these clot shots because of how it was going to work.
 
I would have to read some objective scientists views on this. I have heard mRNA might be useful for some medical things and not that dangerous from some people in the field that were screaming not to take these clot shots because of how it was going to work.
Full disclosure I'm being a bit hyperbolic - this new tech he's discussing is for congestive heart failure, not myocarditis.

But it's tone deaf AF to be touting mRNA heart treatments after what we've seen the past few years.
 
Another coincidence

 
Most seem to believe that the 1960 ZPG died out and faded away....
Many in the newer generations don't even know about the 60's ZPG efforts.

~~ ZPG = Zero Population Growth
Everyone in my close family CHOSE to stop with 2 children, with 2 having none.
IMO, that is the way to humanly achieve ZPG....
The EARTH is in fact a 'Closed System' so some population planning is certainly needed.
"Scientific Fact' -- The more rats you put in a box, the worse the outcome.

War, 'the killing off of a whole generation of young men,' used to be the way they reduced growth of the populations.
But in modern Nuclear times, that's become too dangerous under MAD....

All that the ZPG Elitists did, was that they went deeper underground with their planning, and now IMO, you are beginning to see the medical results of their planning and their actions..
 
Our extreme-Left Facebook Overlords are masters of misinformation. In yet another revelation about the level of collusion between Big Tech and the White House, documents show Facebook not only attempted to suppress "incorrect" content related to coronavirus vaccines, but also took steps to curb the spread of "often-true content" on the subject.

Emails Show Facebook Suppressed 'Often True' Information on Coronavirus Vaccines

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One of Trump’s biggest flaws is his selection of people around him.

He’s made some amazing hires but his presidency was partially derailed by swamp rats he didn’t know to purge.

His job was to pave the way for the vaccine by cutting red tape. I don’t think in a million years he could have predicted how dangerous they were - when’s the last time a flu shot caused heart attacks?

Lastly - he wasn’t a mandate guy. He always supported freedom of choice, and still does.
Not one of...THE BIGGEST BY FAR.
 
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So here’s a question…did those who had covid and got the vaccine have a better chance of not having adverse effects than those who got jabbed without having covid? If someone got one round of the vaccine but no boosters is there lees chance to have these acute attacks that keep Happening?
Or does it matter one way or another?
 
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So here’s a question…did those who had covid and got the vaccine have a better chance of not having adverse effects than those who got jabbed without having covid? If someone got one round of the vaccine but no boosters is there lees chance to have these acute attacks that keep Happening?
Or does it matter one way or another?

My guess would be having Covid has no effect on whether the jab does something to you or not and that having booster shots would increase your chances of having something bad happen. I do believe some people aren't going to see issues from the jab until years from now though - that it might screw up the immune system some long term.
 
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So here’s a question…did those who had covid and got the vaccine have a better chance of not having adverse effects than those who got jabbed without having covid? If someone got one round of the vaccine but no boosters is there lees chance to have these acute attacks that keep Happening?
Or does it matter one way or another?
I think we're still trying to figure all of that out. There's not nearly as much funding for a study that could show the risks outweigh the benefit, but there are data signals that suggest:

1) Covid vaccines clearly result in a surge of antibody activity by "fooling" the immune system into creating spike proteins that look like the virus, which in turn causes the same immune system to create antibodies. This seems to convey some protection from/prevention of the cytokine storm (hyper inflammatory response that puts many into the hospital) by giving your immune system a head start in killing the virus.
- The only issue is, the spike of the virus mutates quickly, and the antibodies created from a real infection carry broader protection against different variants. Some estimates put current vaccine efficacy at 30% due to this.

2) It seems that the protection from the vaccines is about a 90 day window. After that, it's possible that the immune response is actually degraded...when you hear reports of a majority of the people dying/in the hospital are vaxxed it's probably because they are too far from their last vaccine.

3) Booster create antibodies...but they have the same flaws as the original shots. Short lived protection, followed by a period of likely increased risk of infection.

4) Lastly, the vaccines can cause serious side effects, even the manufacturer's admit this. They are indemnified from liability first by the EUA, but when that expired the approval for use in children provided them ongoing protection (we have a law that if a vax is approved for use in kids under 5 the manufacturer is indemnified from all injury liability - I think it stemmed from the Polio vaccine). 1,433 of the 1.1MM deaths from Covid were kids age 0-17...that's 0.13%. Not 13%, 0.1%. This statistic also doesn't track comorbidities - meaning those 1433 lives lost were probably already very sick.

To me the summary is this: you have two choices. You can get on the booster train, but if not getting Covid is the goal you need to stay on it. Benefits - you're probably 30% better off than someone who's never had Covid or a vax. Risks - vaccine injury (heart issues, stroke, nerve issues like Guillain Barre, etc...there's also some concern about your bodies' ability to fight off certain other diseases, like Cancer, long term).

Choice 2 is to get off the train. Focus on comorbidities (excess weight, cardiovascular health, smoking, etc). If you get sick take vitamins and IVM/HCQ if you're so inclined. Let your immune system fight the fight with the hope the antibodies you create are better. There are some packaged protocols, this is a popular one https://zstacklife.com/?ref=aet6ilomcs
Risks? Some Covid cases are fatal or seriously debilitating.

But after a period of time (a year?) most likely the vax isn't going to do anything for you. I highly recommend following Berenson's substack linked above, and dig through it to do your own research. Other voices that aren't following the CDC guidelines but have credibility:

Good luck with whatever you decide. The answer isn't a one-size fits all approach.
 
So here’s a question…did those who had covid and got the vaccine have a better chance of not having adverse effects than those who got jabbed without having covid? If someone got one round of the vaccine but no boosters is there lees chance to have these acute attacks that keep Happening?
Or does it matter one way or another?
My point here is that this was FORCED upon us, and they lied to us about its success, effects. And since it is killing people who may have survived covid....I would never take a shot of this. And YES, boosters just add to your troubles. So our Government lied to us from "15 days to flatten the curve" to "masks do not help" to "you HAVE to wear masks" "schools must be closed" "it came from bats" (although it was first found right outside the door of a bio lab in China) They lied about "gain of research" (Fauci lied more than all put together)
 
I think we're still trying to figure all of that out. There's not nearly as much funding for a study that could show the risks outweigh the benefit, but there are data signals that suggest:

1) Covid vaccines clearly result in a surge of antibody activity by "fooling" the immune system into creating spike proteins that look like the virus, which in turn causes the same immune system to create antibodies. This seems to convey some protection from/prevention of the cytokine storm (hyper inflammatory response that puts many into the hospital) by giving your immune system a head start in killing the virus.
- The only issue is, the spike of the virus mutates quickly, and the antibodies created from a real infection carry broader protection against different variants. Some estimates put current vaccine efficacy at 30% due to this.

2) It seems that the protection from the vaccines is about a 90 day window. After that, it's possible that the immune response is actually degraded...when you hear reports of a majority of the people dying/in the hospital are vaxxed it's probably because they are too far from their last vaccine.

3) Booster create antibodies...but they have the same flaws as the original shots. Short lived protection, followed by a period of likely increased risk of infection.

4) Lastly, the vaccines can cause serious side effects, even the manufacturer's admit this. They are indemnified from liability first by the EUA, but when that expired the approval for use in children provided them ongoing protection (we have a law that if a vax is approved for use in kids under 5 the manufacturer is indemnified from all injury liability - I think it stemmed from the Polio vaccine). 1,433 of the 1.1MM deaths from Covid were kids age 0-17...that's 0.13%. Not 13%, 0.1%. This statistic also doesn't track comorbidities - meaning those 1433 lives lost were probably already very sick.

To me the summary is this: you have two choices. You can get on the booster train, but if not getting Covid is the goal you need to stay on it. Benefits - you're probably 30% better off than someone who's never had Covid or a vax. Risks - vaccine injury (heart issues, stroke, nerve issues like Guillain Barre, etc...there's also some concern about your bodies' ability to fight off certain other diseases, like Cancer, long term).

Choice 2 is to get off the train. Focus on comorbidities (excess weight, cardiovascular health, smoking, etc). If you get sick take vitamins and IVM/HCQ if you're so inclined. Let your immune system fight the fight with the hope the antibodies you create are better. There are some packaged protocols, this is a popular one https://zstacklife.com/?ref=aet6ilomcs
Risks? Some Covid cases are fatal or seriously debilitating.

But after a period of time (a year?) most likely the vax isn't going to do anything for you. I highly recommend following Berenson's substack linked above, and dig through it to do your own research. Other voices that aren't following the CDC guidelines but have credibility:

Good luck with whatever you decide. The answer isn't a one-size fits all approach.

I am just getting over my 2nd time catching Covid. The 1st time I got it real bad and finally my hard headed self went and got some ivermectin which took care of it pretty fast. This 2nd time the symptoms were much less and more like a cold but I did have some stinging in the back of one eye which I never got with any cold before. Probably a combination of Covid's mutations and having some immunity made it that mild on me this time.
 
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