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Vaccine Complications:

Besides the common and usually mild side effects of the authorized vaccines, some rare, major adverse reactions are increasingly being reported worldwide during the post marketing surveillance phase of vaccines' circulation.

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uch as anaphylaxis,
vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia,
myopericarditis and
Guillain-Barré syndrome.

 
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This is the guy I wish was the next guy to be President, or at least as the VP.



Texas Files Suit To Stop National Guard Vaccine Mandate​





 
IMO pharmacists shouldn’t be able to refuse an Rx unless they determine that it adversely reacts with something else being prescribed. Doctors should have the final say (and responsibility).

Ivermectin has been around for decades. I doubt any pharmacist was refusing to fill it before 2020.
Ideally, absolutely.

But I have personally spoken with 3 docs who confirmed that pharmacists are either being instructed by their corporate entities not to fill the rxs or are having their shipments truncated to the point of scarcity / man made shortages.

These 3 docs have gotten some from either a pharmacist who had a few pills to spare or from friends in the veterinary community. Anyone who bucks these instructions is threatened with being cut off (What I was told). If I know these things are happening, you can bet there is something larger at play here, since I'm pretty out of the loop.

Again, I advise you to follow the money.

edit - BTW, I got really lucky to be able to get the IVM / HCQ at all. Had to get from 3 different sources to get enough for the wife and I. I feel for those with no healthcare contacts / resources.
 
Pfizer.

The funny thing is, you act like it’s only Fuaci pushing the vaccines when it’s literally the entire worldwide medical community. That just paranoia on your part.

That goofy SOB is just a convenient scapegoat for you Deniers.
I rely on the "majority of the experts" because I don't know enough to make an intelligent argument on the vaccine one way or the other......and neither do you. So all you and I can really do is decide who is the better side to "trust". That's all we have. I chose to trust the overwhelming majority who back the vaccine. You chose to trust twitter and the small minority opinion of a few detractors.
LOL This is how sheep stay hoodwinked.

Ok, let's assess the track record of the guys that you two believe in bilindly:

March 2020 - Medical community says this is how you stop covid: Mask up, stay at home, lockdown the country. We now know all of these efforts were colossal failures. Areas that were the most militant about following this advice, such as NYC, became covid hotbeds. In fact, suggesting isolation at home is likely THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IF THE GOAL IS TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID.

April 2020 - Pres Trump says the 'cure can't be worse than the disease' and that the best way to treat covid is to get outside, get sunshine, and get on with your lives. 'Medical community' called him an idiot, but we now know that he was precisely correct. And natural sunlight hitting your skin causes your body to naturally produce Vitamin D, which is a flu fighter.

May 2020 - Pres Trump says why don't we try HCQ. 'Medical community' says absolutely not, do you want to kill people??? HCQ is an ESSENTIAL MEDICINE according to the WHO, and can only get that designation by having a PROVEN HISTORY OF EFFECTIVENESS AND SAFETY. But we were told it's suddenly a killer.

December 2020 - 'Medical community' has an update on covid treatment: GET YOUR 'VACCINATION'. Thus giving way to the 'this ends when we all get vaccinated' talking point. Which a few posters here fell for.

December 2021 - Over 60 percent of Americans have been 'vaccinated', and cases are higher in Dec 2021 than they were in Dec 2020. When we had no 'vaccine'. I'm not the best in the world at math, but those numbers don't add up.


So what can either of you point to that the medical community has been right about? And that includes the posters on this board.

Track records matter. When someone tells you to do something and it works, you keep listening to them. When they tell you to do something to avoid getting sick (like take a shot) and you then get sick anyway, smart people stop listening to them.

Seems you two have doubled down on listening to people who have consistently led you astray.

I'll ask again: What has the medical community gotten right about treating covid? @Illegal-shift and @BSC911 if you can't think of anything, feel free not to respond.
 
LOL This is how sheep stay hoodwinked.

Ok, let's assess the track record of the guys that you two believe in bilindly:

March 2020 - Medical community says this is how you stop covid: Mask up, stay at home, lockdown the country. We now know all of these efforts were colossal failures. Areas that were the most militant about following this advice, such as NYC, became covid hotbeds. In fact, suggesting isolation at home is likely THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IF THE GOAL IS TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID.

April 2020 - Pres Trump says the 'cure can't be worse than the disease' and that the best way to treat covid is to get outside, get sunshine, and get on with your lives. 'Medical community' called him an idiot, but we now know that he was precisely correct. And natural sunlight hitting your skin causes your body to naturally produce Vitamin D, which is a flu fighter.

May 2020 - Pres Trump says why don't we try HCQ. 'Medical community' says absolutely not, do you want to kill people??? HCQ is an ESSENTIAL MEDICINE according to the WHO, and can only get that designation by having a PROVEN HISTORY OF EFFECTIVENESS AND SAFETY. But we were told it's suddenly a killer.

December 2020 - 'Medical community' has an update on covid treatment: GET YOUR 'VACCINATION'. Thus giving way to the 'this ends when we all get vaccinated' talking point. Which a few posters here fell for.

December 2021 - Over 60 percent of Americans have been 'vaccinated', and cases are higher in Dec 2021 than they were in Dec 2020. When we had no 'vaccine'. I'm not the best in the world at math, but those numbers don't add up.


So what can either of you point to that the medical community has been right about? And that includes the posters on this board.

Track records matter. When someone tells you to do something and it works, you keep listening to them. When they tell you to do something to avoid getting sick (like take a shot) and you then get sick anyway, smart people stop listening to them.

Seems you two have doubled down on listening to people who have consistently led you astray.

I'll ask again: What has the medical community gotten right about treating covid? @Illegal-shift and @BSC911 if you can't think of anything, feel free not to respond.
You're hitting on a point that's bothered me for a long time.

Why are we treating doctors who are trying treatment protocols like the FLCC's like they are "dangerous"? What is the physical harm, now that there's a federal vaccine mandate coming, of trying early treatment protocols with safe medications to keep people out of the hospital...aren't we all taking vaccines for the sole purpose of avoiding the hospital? And why is IVM hard to get? It's a very widely available and affordable drug.

@Illegal-shift - none of this makes you suspicious at all? Who cares if it works or not - hell even if it just had the mental placebo effect it would be beneficial in my opinion...and the cost/benefit is high because the costs are nearly nil (I think IVM is like $0.06 a dose to manufacture).

It just feels like if I get my shot, and I still get sick, I should be able to pull out all the stops to keep from being hospitalized.
 
Another Darwin Award nominee. While all loss of life is tragic😉, it’s especially tragic when your own stupidity is the reason. I blame all of the bad info that gets spread on message boards.

 
This makes no sense. Canada has a ~13% higher vax rate, but all we hear here is how the unvaccinated are filling up the hospitals?

 
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Another Darwin Award nominee. While all loss of life is tragic😉, it’s especially tragic when your own stupidity is the reason. I blame all of the bad info that gets spread on message boards.

Gloating over a death with a wink to "prove" your point is uber classy.

814k people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, have been lost "with" Covid. 35k were ages 40-49....both vaccinated and unvaccinated. That means she's incredibly unlucky to have been taken by the disease, her age group represents 4% of deaths. But gloat on, spike the football and dance. It's indicative of who you are and how you think.
 


Tucker reveals that in the Netherlands a recent study showed that secondary attack rate (spread within a household) is higher in the vaccinated.

A new Canadian study showed the same as the Denmark study...we're seeing Negative Efficacy in the vaccinated against Omicron. I bet we have more international confirmatory studies soon, none from the US though.

Lastly, Biden (who may not know what year it is) wants kids to get vaxxed because they are "at risk" - ignoring the fact that we've lost 209 of 814k (that's 0.026%) pandemic to date. Keep in mind that 209 does not control for any comorbidities.

@Illegal-shift - you following the science here? Are the experts?
 
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Gloating over a death with a wink to "prove" your point is uber classy.

814k people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, have been lost "with" Covid. 35k were ages 40-49....both vaccinated and unvaccinated. That means she's incredibly unlucky to have been taken by the disease, her age group represents 4% of deaths. But gloat on, spike the football and dance. It's indicative of who you are and how you think.

Also, that description says that she was opposed to mandates. That's not the same as being an "anti-vaxxer."
 
Also, that description says that she was opposed to mandates. That's not the same as being an "anti-vaxxer."
So @BSC911 once again made a fool out of himself. The article also said her family WAS vaxxed, so she could have easily spread covid to them. And as we are learning, the shots offer almost no protection against covid, and may actually make you MORE likely to catch it.

So instead of gloating over a person dying, we need to keep her at-risk family in our prayers.
 


Tucker reveals that in the Netherlands a recent study showed that secondary attack rate (spread within a household) is higher in the vaccinated.
Remember in the summer of 2020, 66% of the covid cases in NYC were from people who voluntarily isolated at home.

Which is what the 'medical community' said to do. Same 'medical community' that certain posters here are trusting with their lives....while claiming Trump supporters aren't educated on the topic.
 
Gloating over a death with a wink to "prove" your point is uber classy.

814k people, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, have been lost "with" Covid. 35k were ages 40-49....both vaccinated and unvaccinated. That means she's incredibly unlucky to have been taken by the disease, her age group represents 4% of deaths. But gloat on, spike the football and dance. It's indicative of who you are and how you think.
And how many lives have been lost because people like you spread vaccine lies on the internet.

That’s even more tragic😉


PS.. The wink was an inside joke for BamaFan. Save your outrage for someone else, especially when you ignore others, you hypocrite
 
And how many lives have been lost because people like you spread vaccine lies on the internet.

That’s even more tragic😉


PS.. The wink was an inside joke for BamaFan. Save your outrage for someone else, especially when you ignore others, you hypocrite
Who am I ignoring? I'm sorry if I hurt someone's feelings.

Also, I need to you pick 3 lies I told. I don't recall intentionally lying to kill people, that's a serious accusation.
 
A “rogue” doctor?

WTF does that even mean?

Let me ask you this - I’m vaccinated. When (not if) I catch Covid who am I harming if my doctor puts me on a multivitamin, IVM HCQ regimen?

What’s the early treatment protocol for your doctor?

Now - do you think my doctor should lose her license?
You would be harming big pharma and the hospitals huge profits.
 
Who am I ignoring? I'm sorry if I hurt someone's feelings.

Also, I need to you pick 3 lies I told. I don't recall intentionally lying to kill people, that's a serious accusation.
You said that vaccinated people have a higher mortality rate than the unvaccinated, then posted a chart which purported to confirm that. When I explained why that chart was bogus, you waffled and then tucked and ran. Giving that implication is a lie in my book. Once you lose credibility, I have a hard time taking what you post seriously.

You work really hard to find anything antiVax, yet are vaxxed yourself. Lying by omission. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing. That’s actually the most dangerous kind.

People like Ghost are just trolling and/or lack intelligence. You seem brighter, yet are stuck in a single platform. It’s just weird.
 
Claim to be conservative yet want government to interfere in the free market.

Why do you hate capitalism?
A joke comment. Capitalism is not letting big companies willfully kill all those people by witholding cheap effective lifesaving treatments from them so they can boost their profits. The govt should have never increased the medicare payments for many things related to Covid either as it's created a blood money motive for these crooked hospitals. You can go read more of those fake planted articles about people overdosing on ivermectin if you want to keep living in fantasy land.
 
You're hitting on a point that's bothered me for a long time.

Why are we treating doctors who are trying treatment protocols like the FLCC's like they are "dangerous"? What is the physical harm, now that there's a federal vaccine mandate coming, of trying early treatment protocols with safe medications to keep people out of the hospital...aren't we all taking vaccines for the sole purpose of avoiding the hospital? And why is IVM hard to get? It's a very widely available and affordable drug.

@Illegal-shift - none of this makes you suspicious at all? Who cares if it works or not - hell even if it just had the mental placebo effect it would be beneficial in my opinion...and the cost/benefit is high because the costs are nearly nil (I think IVM is like $0.06 a dose to manufacture).

It just feels like if I get my shot, and I still get sick, I should be able to pull out all the stops to keep from being hospitalized.
Notice the left and big pharma only has one proper path of treatment: The covid shots.

And if the shots were clearly the best form of treatment, no problem. But the shots don't work. At best, they now give a few weeks of marginal protection.

At worst, they can kill you.

The people that stand to make a LOT of money off everyone taking the shots, and the ones pushing it. And yet some people are still rolling up their sleeves and demanding to be shot up as many times as they can be.

Fear turns some people into idiots. I think a few of our slowest here already had a headstart before covid fear-mongering arrived.
 
You said that vaccinated people have a higher mortality rate than the unvaccinated, then posted a chart which purported to confirm that. When I explained why that chart was bogus, you waffled and then tucked and ran. Giving that implication is a lie in my book. Once you lose credibility, I have a hard time taking what you post seriously.

You work really hard to find anything antiVax, yet are vaxxed yourself. Lying by omission. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing. That’s actually the most dangerous kind.

People like Ghost are just trolling and/or lack intelligence. You seem brighter, yet are stuck in a single platform. It’s just weird.
I posted a statistical analysis by someone else that broke down data from a UK mortality report. It showed that the vaccinated group was slightly better off but young people were worse off. You didn't even read the analysis, you just focused on the chart the analysis was debunking, then claimed Simpson's Paradox because unhealthier people were getting vaxxed at higher rates. I asked you to cite that data and you "tucked and ran". I've not seen anything to prove your claim.

I'm not "trying" to find anything. I visit several news aggregators who serve up stories from all over the world. Have you ever noticed I don't post from the same sources very often? I guess it would be better if I stuck to CNN and MSNBC? And again, posting articles is lying?

And yes, I got vaxxed at the height of Delta. I do think getting a vaccine makes the Sars Cov-2 virus less "novel" and it reduces the chance you'll have a massive inflammatory response. I'm 44, my BMI is 28 and I'm hypertensive. I chose to take the shots eyes wide open. So because of that I have to ignore anything that comes across my news feeds in the future that isn't positive so you don't think I'm "lying" (or a sheep in wolves clothing)? That's insane.

I'm stuck on nothing. I'm taking in information, trying to process and think critically and adjusting my thinking on a daily basis.

It just dawned on me - since I'm posting only "negative" vaxx info and "trying to kill people", why don't you take up the mantle of vaccine defender and share with all of us all the success stories? Save some lives, be a hero. Unless you're too busy gloating over unvaccinated people dying?
 
Who am I ignoring? I'm sorry if I hurt someone's feelings.

Also, I need to you pick 3 lies I told. I don't recall intentionally lying to kill people, that's a serious accusation.
Keep in mind that @BSC911 claims to be a devout Catholic, who is also a devout supporter of killing 800k babies a year via abortion.

Just like Brandon. On both counts.
 
It just dawned on me - since I'm posting only "negative" vaxx info and "trying to kill people", why don't you take up the mantle of vaccine defender and share with all of us all the success stories? Save some lives, be a hero. Unless you're too busy gloating over unvaccinated people dying?
What good news is there to share about the shots? That more people aren't collapsing and dying?

Think back over the last 6 months: How many posters here have announced over the last 6 months that they weren't 'vaccinated', but based on how well the shots are performing, that they had decided to get the shot?

I can't think of a single poster.

Now how many posters over the last 6 months have said here that they had gotten the shot or booster previously, but they aren't planning on getting any more?

I can think of several. Maybe as many as 10?
 
What good news is there to share about the shots? That more people aren't collapsing and dying?

Think back over the last 6 months: How many posters here have announced over the last 6 months that they weren't 'vaccinated', but based on how well the shots are performing, that they had decided to get the shot?

I can't think of a single poster.

Now how many posters over the last 6 months have said here that they had gotten the shot or booster previously, but they aren't planning on getting any more?

I can think of several. Maybe as many as 10?
Technically I was 4 months ago, but I also fall into the second group.

I’d say there are at least 6 vaccinated people who are no longer excited about these inoculations.

Off the board even my dad, a retired doctor, is waking up. He won’t be getting a booster. He’s also 76, fat, pre diabetic, hypertensive and has had multiple heart surgeries (one after a mild heart attack). He’s on a pacemaker and has a pig aortic valve. Oh and he beat alpha in about 3-4 days. Then he got Pfizer.

And my wife is furious at herself for ignoring me. She’s not just mad because it likely messed up her electrical signals to her heart (likely she’ll need a pacemaker someday, although she has a long way to go on that) but that she did it because she didn’t want to infect and hurt someone else.

That narrative is now totally out the window.

(before I get called evil or misogynistic - I asked my wife to wait a little longer and track the safety of the mRNA or get J&J…I never demanded she not get vaccinated)
 
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I posted a statistical analysis by someone else that broke down data from a UK mortality report. It showed that the vaccinated group was slightly better off but young people were worse off. You didn't even read the analysis, you just focused on the chart the analysis was debunking, then claimed Simpson's Paradox because unhealthier people were getting vaxxed at higher rates. I asked you to cite that data and you "tucked and ran". I've not seen anything to prove your claim.

I'm not "trying" to find anything. I visit several news aggregators who serve up stories from all over the world. Have you ever noticed I don't post from the same sources very often? I guess it would be better if I stuck to CNN and MSNBC? And again, posting articles is lying?

And yes, I got vaxxed at the height of Delta. I do think getting a vaccine makes the Sars Cov-2 virus less "novel" and it reduces the chance you'll have a massive inflammatory response. I'm 44, my BMI is 28 and I'm hypertensive. I chose to take the shots eyes wide open. So because of that I have to ignore anything that comes across my news feeds in the future that isn't positive so you don't think I'm "lying" (or a sheep in wolves clothing)? That's insane.

I'm stuck on nothing. I'm taking in information, trying to process and think critically and adjusting my thinking on a daily basis.

It just dawned on me - since I'm posting only "negative" vaxx info and "trying to kill people", why don't you take up the mantle of vaccine defender and share with all of us all the success stories? Save some lives, be a hero. Unless you're too busy gloating over unvaccinated people dying?
Meh, no need. The worlds medical community is already doing it. The numbers speak for themself. Real numbers, not that fake ones you fall for. .

But you do you. I don’t really care what you do.
 

"Israel’s Pandemic Response Team was warned last Tuesday night that Israel could go from being reasonably protected against Omicron to not being protected at all within just a month.

As a result, the team – along with the COVID-19 Vaccination Advisory Board – voted to allow the country’s highest risk population to receive a fourth shot of the Pfizer COVID vaccine, sparking controversy in Israel and around the world."
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Crazy people keep taking the trash vaccines.
 
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