Please stop replying to any of my comments. I have never seen you post anything worth reading or replying to and I don't anticipate that I ever will, so its best if you just put me on ignore like I essentially have with you.
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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread
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This is very true. Also a willful elitist mentality of being beyond reproach when clearly wrong.
Though it was less tongue in cheek as it was reality. Historically this is a mild pandemic.
The government and non-government misuse of this virus to manipulate and control is a very real problem.
You pretend you are a big researcher, yet with 5 minutes on google you can find several articles that explain to you the whole VAERS deal, but for some reason you can't seem to find that. Its the same with most of the things you post......there is ample, simple, research that explains why the stuff you post is off base. How do you miss all of that?
And why would you lie on a message board......because it pushes the obvious agenda you have. Very simple explanation that fits the rest of your posting history.
Its not "keeping an open mind" to listen to the people who still think we faked the moon landings. Its being a nutcase. The CDC along with doctors around the world are monitoring the vaccine and if and when there is some real concern we will all know pretty quickly.
But, hey, maybe they are just all "out to get us".
Tongue in cheek, yet very accurate. Fauci and Swiss reaction to your comment said everything about them being out of touch ...
When gator76 likes this, you know Fauci has screwed the pooch on Covid.
He needs to resign.
Would not surprise me if Fauci literally did so. Weird MFer ...
I'm in Marketing. I don't claim to be a "researcher" at all. My quant skills leave alot to be desired.
I also don't think we faked the moon landings. That's gaslighting.
I know the flaws in VAERS. It's a passive reporting system. By nature that's going to make it noisy AF and not a rock-solid source of data. But it's 1) set up and maintained by a 3-letter agency, you seem to trust those, and 2) most people agree it dramatically under reports. It's a PITA to fill out a report, the UX sucks, and doctors are already stressed fighting the virus (and doing their normal jobs). But it's the same system we've had for a few decades and within a few months Covid vaccines had outpaced 20+ years worth of reports/incidences. Is that just pockets of whacko doctors filling out forms because they're "moon landers" or whatever you think people that don't agree with you are? It doesn't make sense.
And no, I don't think doctors are going to be how we learn about these vaccines. First off, most doctors are trained to trust the FDA and CDC (source: my dad is a retired Radiologist). Secondly, there's no gain in it. Doctors are getting licenses pulled for questioning the vaccines. Their medical boards answer to the FDA and control their ability to practice.
I think, if it is as bad as it looks, insurance companies are going to be the canaries in the coalmine. Their actuaries are going to start publishing comparative data and it won't look good. All cause mortality is another key metric that will tell us if these vaccines are causing death, but the insurance companies will track injury as well. We'll know soon enough. It's difficult on a case by case to establish causation, but trends and macro data will be hard to refute.
BTW - this site takes VAERS reports and aggregates them. Click on a few and read them. At least know what's in a VAERS report before you call the whole system complete BS.
Some are sore arms, expired product administered and storage areas. But there are some that are serious. Ask yourself, why would a health care professional fake one of these?
All COVID Reports - OpenVAERS
openvaers.com
he's certainly killed and tortured his fair share (or he's approved testing that did)
Pfizer.
The funny thing is, you act like it’s only Fuaci pushing the vaccines when it’s literally the entire worldwide medical community. That just paranoia on your part.
That goofy SOB is just a convenient scapegoat for you Deniers.
That's just not true. His opinion changes with the wind. Fauci got the benefit of the doubt forever and used up all of his goodwill. He has shown himself to be a buffoon and a clown.
And I am heavily in favor of individual choice. You want to vax/ boost, have at it ...
As am I.
Fine, ignore Fauci if you wish. He is just the most public face and granted has made some bad calls. But as I said, he is hardly the only one supporting vaccines. ITS THE ENTIRE MEDICAL COMMUNITY.
What I have a problem with is taking isolated mistakes and then throwing out the obvious benefits. Manipulating data to give the impression that vaccines haven’t been effective. That’s just people looking for a reason not to vaccinate.
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There is a simple explanation for that chart that shows higher overall mortality for the vaccinated 10 to 59 age group, not that you care.
That segment is totally misleading. The age group of 10 to 20 is the least vaccinated group, and of course has a lower mortality rate than the older people in that segment and therefore skews the overall results. Mortality increases with age. Break it down by decade and you’ll see entirely different results.
Add in the fact that more unhealthy people are getting vaccines, therefore you aren’t comparing apples to apples. Statisticians can manipulate data that gives mistaken conclusions to those that don’t understand how the data is gathered. That’s the mistake you are making. That’s Simpsons Paradox.
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I appreciate your stance, but it's the rank and file medical community, not the entirety of it, however, this might be splitting hairs.
I also understand biostatistics, having taken it during my specialty residency. I object to any agendas / manipulation of the data - and there is some on both sides, but more on one side than the other. That said, pick through the data and make an informed decision ...
You do understand how the medical community works, correct?
If a doctor felt strongly that these vaccines we causing harm, and spoke openly about it, what do you think would happen to their medical license in most states?
Here's a threat to prove my point - doctors don't have a choice.
Column: A warning to doctors — spreading COVID misinformation could cost you your license
State medical boards are warning doctors not to spread COVID falsehoods, but will that stop them?
www.latimes.com
Covid-19: Spreading vaccine “misinformation” puts licence at risk, US boards tell physicians
Three US medical certifying boards have warned doctors that they risk losing their certification and licence if they spread covid vaccine misinformation. Internists, family doctors, and paediatricians received an email on 9 September that quoted a warning from the Federation of State Medical...
"The entire medical community" is not free to speak their mind or have their concerns heard. My own doc rec'd a letter from the State Board for prescribing IVM off label and has since stopped doing it.
Lastly, what data was manipulated and by whom?
That's exactly what the entire analysis is about. He's taking the top chart posted by Berenson and breaks out all the data that Berenson lumped together. He actually laments that the 10-59 age group was way too broad.
And there's no proof that unhealthier people are getting vaccinated at a higher rate (or if there is, please provide that data). In previous attempts to prove that the flu shots save lives, researchers found the opposite to be true. People who get regular flu shots are most often more conscious about their health. They go to the doctor more and are more likely to take healthier actions in everyday life. Once that was adjusted for, there was no statistical impact from flu shots.
You just struggle so much with basic common sense.You do understand how the medical community works, correct?
If a doctor felt strongly that these vaccines we causing harm, and spoke openly about it, what do you think would happen to their medical license in most states?
Here's a threat to prove my point - doctors don't have a choice.
Column: A warning to doctors — spreading COVID misinformation could cost you your license
State medical boards are warning doctors not to spread COVID falsehoods, but will that stop them?This lady was put on leave just for speaking out against mandates:Covid-19: Spreading vaccine “misinformation” puts licence at risk, US boards tell physicians
Three US medical certifying boards have warned doctors that they risk losing their certification and licence if they spread covid vaccine misinformation. Internists, family doctors, and paediatricians received an email on 9 September that quoted a warning from the Federation of State Medical...www.bmj.com
"The entire medical community" is not free to speak their mind or have their concerns heard. My own doc rec'd a letter from the State Board for prescribing IVM off label and has since stopped doing it.
Lastly, what data was manipulated and by whom?
I mean.....don't you understand what is going on here? Don't you understand how dangerous a rogue doctor can be in this environment? Obviously not based on your post.
Yes, that’s about spreading MISINFORMATION, which is against their standards as it should be. You seem to think that most doctors willingly withhold information that saves lives. I don’t.You do understand how the medical community works, correct?
If a doctor felt strongly that these vaccines we causing harm, and spoke openly about it, what do you think would happen to their medical license in most states?
Here's a threat to prove my point - doctors don't have a choice.
Column: A warning to doctors — spreading COVID misinformation could cost you your license
State medical boards are warning doctors not to spread COVID falsehoods, but will that stop them?This lady was put on leave just for speaking out against mandates:Covid-19: Spreading vaccine “misinformation” puts licence at risk, US boards tell physicians
Three US medical certifying boards have warned doctors that they risk losing their certification and licence if they spread covid vaccine misinformation. Internists, family doctors, and paediatricians received an email on 9 September that quoted a warning from the Federation of State Medical...
"The entire medical community" is not free to speak their mind or have their concerns heard. My own doc rec'd a letter from the State Board for prescribing IVM off label and has since stopped doing it.
Lastly, what data was manipulated and by whom?
He posted nothing that gives a better analysis. He just showed the same data in a different way. Where did he break out the different age groups in that segment? I must have missed it.
As far as the second, it’s just common sense. Healthy people think they are less at risk, which is true. People with higher comorbidities are More susceptible to adverse reactions from the virus. I see that in every forum I read and every doctors advice. “ I’m healthy, why do I need a vaccine. I’m low risk”. Surely you aren’t trying to argue that, are you?
Now you are just being willfully obtuse.
No he doesn’t. Nor do a couple others on here which is why this is the perfect place for them to post and it’s best for the rest of us to kind of let it play out Over here where they’re doing no harm.
Your just really confused about some of the basic issue. First.....your not disagreeing with me.......your disagreeing with the vast majority of the medical community around the world. Its not just the CDC and the Mayo clinic and Johns Hopkins......its the NHS, the Germany, Japan, Australia and on and on. All of them are recommending the vaccine. You are disagreeing with all of them.I'm in Marketing. I don't claim to be a "researcher" at all. My quant skills leave alot to be desired.
I also don't think we faked the moon landings. That's gaslighting.
I know the flaws in VAERS. It's a passive reporting system. By nature that's going to make it noisy AF and not a rock-solid source of data. But it's 1) set up and maintained by a 3-letter agency, you seem to trust those, and 2) most people agree it dramatically under reports. It's a PITA to fill out a report, the UX sucks, and doctors are already stressed fighting the virus (and doing their normal jobs). But it's the same system we've had for a few decades and within a few months Covid vaccines had outpaced 20+ years worth of reports/incidences. Is that just pockets of whacko doctors filling out forms because they're "moon landers" or whatever you think people that don't agree with you are? It doesn't make sense.
And no, I don't think doctors are going to be how we learn about these vaccines. First off, most doctors are trained to trust the FDA and CDC (source: my dad is a retired Radiologist). Secondly, there's no gain in it. Doctors are getting licenses pulled for questioning the vaccines. Their medical boards answer to the FDA and control their ability to practice.
I think, if it is as bad as it looks, insurance companies are going to be the canaries in the coalmine. Their actuaries are going to start publishing comparative data and it won't look good. All cause mortality is another key metric that will tell us if these vaccines are causing death, but the insurance companies will track injury as well. We'll know soon enough. It's difficult on a case by case to establish causation, but trends and macro data will be hard to refute.
BTW - this site takes VAERS reports and aggregates them. Click on a few and read them. At least know what's in a VAERS report before you call the whole system complete BS.
Some are sore arms, expired product administered and storage areas. But there are some that are serious. Ask yourself, why would a health care professional fake one of these?
All COVID Reports - OpenVAERS
I rely on the "majority of the experts" because I don't know enough to make an intelligent argument on the vaccine one way or the other......and neither do you. So all you and I can really do is decide who is the better side to "trust". That's all we have. I chose to trust the overwhelming majority who back the vaccine. You chose to trust twitter and the small minority opinion of a few detractors.
And I didn't call VAERS system BS.......what I am saying is you don't know how to interpret the data and your looking for ways to make it sound like it supports your POV. I can post some articles to back that up if you want me to.....but I would prefer you go read them.
Throughout all of this the thrust of your posts is an effort to find support for the POV that you have already adopted and the trench you are dug in to. Again, your not on a search for the truth. Your on a desperate search to support a weak position.
Ya, your probably right about that. Think I will take your advice here.
All doctors in the establishment community is a load of crap.
While you twits ignore both India and Africa.
covid19criticalcare.com
While you twits ignore both India and Africa.
MATH+ COVID Hospital Treatment
MATH+ is the hospital treatment protocol for COVID-19, developed by the healthcare professionals at The FLCCC Alliance.
covid19criticalcare.com
Sadly, it's all about the money. Most docs want to help, many do what they are told. Big Pharma has way too much say and influence over tx ...
I used their protocol for early tx and it worked great. Amazing to me how many docs claim use of these meds is tantamount to malpractice. Flummoxing, actually ...All doctors in the establishment community is a load of crap.
While you twits ignore both India and Africa.
MATH+ COVID Hospital Treatment
MATH+ is the hospital treatment protocol for COVID-19, developed by the healthcare professionals at The FLCCC Alliance.
I agree to some extent. There’s no doubt Big Pharma has a great deal of influence. But I still won’t believe most doctors knowingly prescribe treatments that they know will harm their patients.
Obviously Opiods may be an example, but even then there are many benefits as you know. I believe most of the abuse was isolated to pill mills. Maybe I’m wrong.
Hmmm, I would agree that docs won't knowingly do harm, however, they will go along with proscribed hospital policy. What troubles me is the out and out dismissal of drugs that have demo'd some efficacy in places like India. Like I said before, I took IVM and HCQ for early tx of Covid and it was smooth and easy. Does that mean it works universally? No.
Opioids is a whole other can of worms, so not going to weigh in ...
Are there a lot of doctors saying this? The most common opinion I've seen from working doctors is that Ivermectin is mostly harmless and may actually reduce unpleasant symptoms caused by the body's immune response to the virus.
Yes, that is most common, but there are some that are vocally against it. There are a ton of pharmacists who will not fill Rxs for IVM and HCQ, so docs are stockpiling their own stashes for patients. I have personally seen it more than a few times ...
IMO pharmacists shouldn’t be able to refuse an Rx unless they determine that it adversely reacts with something else being prescribed. Doctors should have the final say (and responsibility).
Ivermectin has been around for decades. I doubt any pharmacist was refusing to fill it before 2020.
Ivermectin has been around for decades. I doubt any pharmacist was refusing to fill it before 2020.
I'm sure you are right ...
What is "the" vaccine?
JnJ has been blackballed over 9 deaths out of 16M.
Moderna is restricted in Scandinavian countries over a "rare" side effect of heart inflammation.
Lord Fauci says we have all the vaxxes we need! Well there is only 1 here in USoA approved for children over 12 .
Pfizer has the same risks as Moderna. The hammer seems to miss them!
India will be restricting its children to its Covaxin which is an inactivated corona virus.
Are we saying Covaxin is "the" vaccine
Maybe it is JnJ, the one I took.
Funny 3rd world Mexico has more vaccines than we do. Whats "the" vaccine there?
AstraZeneca is the gold standard there and the USoA has donated 11M does of vaxxes to Mexico. The donated vaxxes are Moderna, Astrazeneca and JnJ...Hmmm no Pfizer?
"In August, Sub-Secretary of Health Hugo López-Gatell said that children would not be included in the national immunization plan unless “a solid, and convincing but in a different manner, scientific element were to appear, then we would possibly consider an alternative path.” -wilson center
JnJ has been blackballed over 9 deaths out of 16M.
Moderna is restricted in Scandinavian countries over a "rare" side effect of heart inflammation.
Lord Fauci says we have all the vaxxes we need! Well there is only 1 here in USoA approved for children over 12 .
Pfizer has the same risks as Moderna. The hammer seems to miss them!
India will be restricting its children to its Covaxin which is an inactivated corona virus.
Are we saying Covaxin is "the" vaccine
Maybe it is JnJ, the one I took.
Funny 3rd world Mexico has more vaccines than we do. Whats "the" vaccine there?
AstraZeneca is the gold standard there and the USoA has donated 11M does of vaxxes to Mexico. The donated vaxxes are Moderna, Astrazeneca and JnJ...Hmmm no Pfizer?
"In August, Sub-Secretary of Health Hugo López-Gatell said that children would not be included in the national immunization plan unless “a solid, and convincing but in a different manner, scientific element were to appear, then we would possibly consider an alternative path.” -wilson center
Don't you understand how dangerous those shots could be that you seem to be downing like shots at 2am on a Friday night?
Ummmm....he's got the shot. Just like you have LOL
The difference is, he can think for himself. Apparently your ability to critically think clicked off when you got the shot.
Actually, shots. It seems you've blindly took every shot offered you. Your shots have boosters and your boosters have shots LOL
Joe Biden, AOC, @BSC911, @Uniformed_ReRe and @gator1776 all think you made the right call.
Good luck.
Of course you have no problem with who gets to define information as “misinformation”.
That’s the key problem.
1) How did Utter Pradesh (which is the size of the US) and Japan nearly eliminate Covid? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t the shots. You need to do some homework on Japan.
2) Citing the authoritarian response of Germany and Australia is instructive…BTW did you know Australia is setting records this week for caseload? Seems to be working, shutting the country (or half of it) down and forcing shots in people’s arms against their will. Again, you’re ignorant on Australia (not dumb, just badly misinformed).
And data from VAERS is really simple. I don’t know how I am “misinterpreting it”. You’re gaslighting again.
Here, some light reading for you. You’ll notice a trend - places that are relying heaviest on the shots are doing the worst. There are two clear examples of early treatment being extremely successful. But the MSM is corporate, as are the big pharm companies. We cannot allow cheap treatments to work, it has to be something expensive, novel and profitable. Scroll up and watch the video comparing IVM to Pfizer’s new drug. And watch that new drug fail or have side effects in the coming months. I can almost promise you it will.
Dude, I’m not locked into an agenda, I want this over, again I’m vaxxed. I’m excited for the protein based vaccines, I’m just afraid they won’t be approved because Novavax isn’t in enough pockets. But if you can’t connect the dots - after we hit 1MM cases in a single day yesterday - that these shots are not working (and are causing some people harm) I don’t know what to tell you. I’m sorry you can’t even consider opening your thinking here.
Japan
Good news from Japan: Ivermectin works
By Joel S Hirschhorn | December 30, 2021 This is from a recent news story: “The Pandemic in Japan was going out of control, yet the Japanese government was smart enough to look beyond vaccines in i…
alethonews.com
Australia
Australia COVID-19 cases surge, overloading testing system
In Victoria, the second state, the authorities said one in four people showing up for a swab test was returning a positive result. Almost everyone in that state's intensive care units was unvaccinated, the authorities said. Victoria had 14,020 new cases, nearly double the previous day's count.
Germany
German Clinics Face ‘Dangerous Situation’ Due to Covid Surge
Germany urgently needs stricter measures to check a surge in Covid-19 infections and protect hospitals from a “particularly dangerous situation,” according to the head of the country’s DIVI intensive-care medicine lobby.
www.bloomberg.com
Utter Pradesh
A “rogue” doctor?
WTF does that even mean?
Let me ask you this - I’m vaccinated. When (not if) I catch Covid who am I harming if my doctor puts me on a multivitamin, IVM HCQ regimen?
What’s the early treatment protocol for your doctor?
Now - do you think my doctor should lose her license?
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