Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

[DCandtheUTBand]

Infuriating Arrogance from Lord Fauci...Covaxin has submitted to FDA and already done adolescent studies. Time to give it EUA and bring it in to USoA by the millions of doses...A traditional vax WILL help with some of the hesitancy.

What is Covaxin, the COVID vaccine not approved in the US?

Dr. Anthony Fauci this week addressed Covaxin, a COVID-19 vaccine made in India that has not been approved in the U.S. but is finding its way into the social media feeds of the American public. So …

www.wkrn.com

“COVAXIN demonstrated its broad-spectrum safety and efficacy in a large, multicenter, phase 3 clinical trial of more than 25,000 people, where it was proven to be 93.4% effective at preventing severe COVID-19 disease, reducing hospitalizations, and 77.8% effective against the overall disease. In a pediatric, immunobridging trial involving children, aged 2-18 years, the vaccine was shown to generate a neutralizing antibody response against the whole SARS-CoV-2 virus and antibody responses against 3 different viral proteins – S1, NP, RBD – equivalent to what was seen in the phase 3 adult efficacy trial. There were also no severe adverse events reported, such as hospitalizations, pericarditis, myocarditis or blood clots, demonstrating a compelling safety profile Ocugen submitted a pediatric Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) based on these data to the FDA on Nov. 5, 2021, so that parents and healthcare providers in the U.S. can have a safe and effective vaccine option for their children in the effort to end the coronavirus pandemic.”

Its the only shot going to be allowed for kids in India.

 

[BSC911]

Infuriating Arrogance from Lord Fauci...Covaxin has submitted to FDA and already done adolescent studies. Time to give it EUA and bring it in to USoA by the millions of doses...A traditional vax WILL help with some of the hesitancy.

What is Covaxin, the COVID vaccine not approved in the US?

Dr. Anthony Fauci this week addressed Covaxin, a COVID-19 vaccine made in India that has not been approved in the U.S. but is finding its way into the social media feeds of the American public. So …

www.wkrn.com

“COVAXIN demonstrated its broad-spectrum safety and efficacy in a large, multicenter, phase 3 clinical trial of more than 25,000 people, where it was proven to be 93.4% effective at preventing severe COVID-19 disease, reducing hospitalizations, and 77.8% effective against the overall disease. In a pediatric, immunobridging trial involving children, aged 2-18 years, the vaccine was shown to generate a neutralizing antibody response against the whole SARS-CoV-2 virus and antibody responses against 3 different viral proteins – S1, NP, RBD – equivalent to what was seen in the phase 3 adult efficacy trial. There were also no severe adverse events reported, such as hospitalizations, pericarditis, myocarditis or blood clots, demonstrating a compelling safety profile..."

What's the big deal? As Fauci says, it will be approved once all of the data is verified.

Are you an investor or just trust the Indians more?

 

[instaGATOR]

Vaccine - a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease.

Immunity - the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells:

The CDC had to change their definition of a vaccine to list the Co-V's as vaccines.

The Co-V treatment shot doesn't stop you from getting it.
The Co-V treatment shot doesn't stop you from spreading it.
The Co-V treatment shots have caused some to drop dead, and many more others to almost wish they had died.....

But why have some Big Pharm doc-tors not followed the science below?

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In this week’s episode, Dr. Pierre Kory introduces the I-RECOVER Protocol for Long Haul COVID-19 Syndrome along with the brilliant doctors and COVID-19 experts who collaborated on the development of the protocol. Guests include Drs. Paul Marik, Tina Peers, Ram Yogendra, and Dr. Mobeen Syed.

 

[LinksGator]

Science can not trump an individual's freedom. and at times science's consensus is not necessarily sound, I am vaccinated and boosted but do not expect every American to follow. If government is going to be our overlord then let us destroy all tobacco, alcohol, carbohydrate laden food, pornography, and a myriad of other potentially harmful items.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/ignaz-semmelweis-doctor-prescribed-hand-washing

Medical "EXPERTS" tried to ruin a man who asked his peers to wash their effing hands, only through time and results did that change. WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE THOSE WHO DECIDE TO NOT VAX.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What's the big deal?

This thread just hit 100 pages. Another Masterclass in creating compelling content.

Take notes.

 

[BSC911]

Science can not trump an individual's freedom. and at times science's consensus is not necessarily sound, I am vaccinated and boosted but do not expect every American to follow. If government is going to be our overlord then let us destroy all tobacco, alcohol, carbohydrate laden food, pornography, and a myriad of other potentially harmful items.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/ignaz-semmelweis-doctor-prescribed-hand-washing

Medical "EXPERTS" tried to ruin a man who asked his peers to wash their effing hands, only through time and results did that change. WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE THOSE WHO DECIDE TO NOT VAX.

Strawman alert. No one ITT is claiming you should be forced to vaccinate, no matter how ignorant or selfish it is.

 

[BSC911]

Science can not trump an individual's freedom. and at times science's consensus is not necessarily sound, I am vaccinated and boosted but do not expect every American to follow. If government is going to be our overlord then let us destroy all tobacco, alcohol, carbohydrate laden food, pornography, and a myriad of other potentially harmful items.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/ignaz-semmelweis-doctor-prescribed-hand-washing

Medical "EXPERTS" tried to ruin a man who asked his peers to wash their effing hands, only through time and results did that change. WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE THOSE WHO DECIDE TO NOT VAX.

Strawman alert. No one ITT is claiming you should be forced to vaccinate, no matter how ignorant or selfish it is, or that all doctors are perfect.

The medical consensus is that doctors should scrub before each operation. Care to argue that?

 

[fatman76]

Look, I can't help it if you just not bright enough to figure out what the study is saying. I suspect that's been your problem all along and what has brought you to this point. You picked out the one area the researches themselves threw out as your flagpole to stand on.

Just to be clear......they are saying don't pay any attention to the negative VE as its meaningless. And they give a short explanation as to the likely reasons why it is. There conclusions had nothing to do with that at all and certainly had they put any stock in it they would have addressed it as one of their findings......but they didn't.

So go ahead and try and twist it with another silly reply, I don't care. At this point we both know your wrong (as does everybody else who reads the study) and we both know you will never admit it. So lets just drop it.

What was their explanation for why they dismissed the negative VE in the 90-150 day category? What evidence did they use to back it up?

Why do you struggle so mightily answering an easy question in a direct manner? It's all about name calling with you. That's abnormal for someone so grounded on the correct side of an argument.

I only see one person twisting anything, I'm trying to stick to the facts, commentary and evidence that's in the study. If calling me names makes you feel better please keep doing it, but I'd appreciate you answering the questions at some point.

 

[fatman76]

What's the big deal? As Fauci says, it will be approved once all of the data is verified.

Are you an investor or just trust the Indians more?

Well he also said this, which is Fauci showing his ass on the subject. He's more than qualified to know this is a different type of inoculation, and his stated goal is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. It only stands to reason that one of the best health care systems in the world should have as many options as possible.


Fauci also said he did not think the United States needed another vaccine. Instead, he said, it needed to get more people vaccinated with the vaccines currently approved.

“It’s not alternative. It’s another vaccine,” Fauci said of Covaxin in his appearance on “Morning in America.” “We don’t need another vaccine.”

 

[Gator Fever]

You hit the nail on the head though. For some reason, they seem to think that going along with the consensus scientific or medical opinion is a form of weakness, even though they have no qualificationsto evaluate the differences. It's crazy.

"Sorry, Doc, you don't know what you've talking about. Joe Rogan said something different."

Its easy not to go along when they are shown to be wrong constantly and have financial interests to not do the right thing.

 

[fatman76]

Its easy not to go along when they are shown to be wrong constantly and have financial interests to not do the right thing.

The arrogance to sit there and act like everything has been peachy, no one has been harmed, the vaccines work just as promised, the definition of "fully vaxxed" isn't changing daily, young people aren't suffering heart damage, etc. and we're all "conspiracy theorists" if we don't line up for our 3rd and soon to be 4th booster (notice we've followed Israel's lead for the most part) and get all excited about getting our 5YO's vaccinated.

I think we could have a much more productive conversation if we could at least agree upon any of the facts, but I'm losing hope that's going to happen.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What was their explanation for why they dismissed the negative VE in the 90-150 day category? What evidence did they use to back it up?

"What about the elephant in the room?

Well they said to ignore it.

Oh."

 

[Illegal-shift]

The arrogance to sit there and act like everything has been peachy, no one has been harmed, the vaccines work just as promised, the definition of "fully vaxxed" isn't changing daily, young people aren't suffering heart damage, etc. and we're all "conspiracy theorists" if we don't line up for our 3rd and soon to be 4th booster (notice we've followed Israel's lead for the most part) and get all excited about getting our 5YO's vaccinated.

I think we could have a much more productive conversation if we could at least agree upon any of the facts, but I'm losing hope that's going to happen.

Again with the straw man argument.....I guess since you guys have nothing you can really refute you keep making stuff up but I don't see anybody ever saying things are peachy.

But you simply have no common sense. Every medication has some downside.......people occasionally die from taking aspirin. There will always be some cases of bad results with any medication. Its always been the case and I suspect it always will. It always a matter of playing the percentages of what is the least likely to cause a bad result and not a question of a medication being 100% safe. It was never intended to be and can't be.

Are you more likely to have a bad medical result with the vaccine or without it. That's the only question you should be asking.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

“We don’t need another vaccine.”

We haven't got the first one yet.

 

[BSC911]

Well he also said this, which is Fauci showing his ass on the subject. He's more than qualified to know this is a different type of inoculation, and his stated goal is to get as many people vaccinated as possible. It only stands to reason that one of the best health care systems in the world should have as many options as possible.


Fauci also said he did not think the United States needed another vaccine. Instead, he said, it needed to get more people vaccinated with the vaccines currently approved.

“It’s not alternative. It’s another vaccine,” Fauci said of Covaxin in his appearance on “Morning in America.” “We don’t need another vaccine.”

Which is true. And it’s the same type of vaccine as the J&J. He’s not saying you can’t take it once approved, he’s saying we already have effective vaccines.


You just like being a contrarian. I get it.

So woke.

 

[LinksGator]

Strawman alert. No one ITT is claiming you should be forced to vaccinate, no matter how ignorant or selfish it is, or that all doctors are perfect.

The medical consensus is that doctors should scrub before each operation. Care to argue that?

In 1850 washing was considered unnecessary, Union surgeons killed many good men with what would be reckless surgical hygiene in the civil War; care to dispute that? If you do want to force vaccinations, then why have mandates? You have the worst case of tunnel vision in human history. I am not a strawman but I think you are like the little guy behind the curtain in Wizard of OZ.

 

[BSC911]

In 1850 washing was considered unnecessary, Union surgeons killed many good men with what would be reckless surgical hygiene in the civil War; care to dispute that? If you do want to force vaccinations, then why have mandates? You have the worst case of tunnel vision in human history. I am not a strawman but I think you are like the little guy behind the curtain in Wizard of OZ.

Gee, if only there has been any medical advances in the past 100 years. Great example to hang your “medical advice sucks” on.

You guys are special. Feel free to rely on your witch doctors. The world will be better off.

 

[instaGATOR]

Strawman alert. No one ITT is claiming you should be forced to vaccinate, no matter how ignorant or selfish it is.

The Nobel Prize in Medicine, a WHO stated 'Miracle Drug' IVERMECTIN works, and it has proven itself many times over around the world.

BS-C911 💩 and some others basking in their own ignorance here, would like to gloss over that confirmed reality....

 

[fatman76]

Which is true. And it’s the same type of vaccine as the J&J. He’s not saying you can’t take it once approved, he’s saying we already have effective vaccines.


You just like being a contrarian. I get it.

So woke.

We’re setting records after 500MM doses of these effective vaccines. VAERS is at 20k deaths and 800k serious events.

How bout we try a different tech?

Defending Fauci no matter what he says is a lot more woke than trying to point out the fact he’s gonna tank any non Big Pharma inoculation or treatment. You should get a t-shirt.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Gee, if only there has been any medical advances in the past 100 years. Great example to hang your “medical advice sucks” on.

You guys are special. Feel free to rely on your witch doctors. The world will be better off.

So instead of using leeches like they did in Ye Olden Times, you 'educated' types are now injecting yourselves repeatedly with the deadliest 'vaccine' in the history of medicine.

All because some guy getting kickbacks from Big Pharma told you that you needed it to protect you against a flu strain with the same mortality rate as the seasonal flu.

Good luck.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

We only have Pfizer here for kids - non traditional mRNA tech.

Lets look at the other vaxxes that I have mentioned in various posts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covaxin - traditional inactivated virus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novavax_COVID-19_vaccine - subunit spike proteins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corbevax - traditonal subunit vaxx similar to Hep B vax grown in yeast

https://www.army.mil/article/252890..._pan_coronavirus_vaccine_development_strategy - subunit similar to Novavax but with ability to incorporate 24 different spike proteins

HRH Lord Fauci Duke of Deception has decreed that we have all we need.

If I had my choice Covaxin would be it followed by Corbevax, SPFN, Novavax and JnJ in order of preference.

If I were to vax my son it would be Covaxin.

 

[goldmom]

viagra the Chinese virus cure?

COVID-19 Patient Given Viagra, Wakes From 28-Day Coma: Report​

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COVID-19 Patient Given Viagra, Wakes From 28-Day Coma: Report

A British COVID-19 patient was reportedly just three days away from being pulled off the ventilator when nurses decided to give her the erectile dysfunction (ED) medicine, Viagra, in a last-ditch effort to try and save her life. The plan worked, and within 48 hours, Monica Almeida’s prognosis...

www.dailywire.com

Sounds like this fella had a long hard recovery. 🙄

 

[fatman76]

Again with the straw man argument.....I guess since you guys have nothing you can really refute you keep making stuff up but I don't see anybody ever saying things are peachy.

But you simply have no common sense. Every medication has some downside.......people occasionally die from taking aspirin. There will always be some cases of bad results with any medication. Its always been the case and I suspect it always will. It always a matter of playing the percentages of what is the least likely to cause a bad result and not a question of a medication being 100% safe. It was never intended to be and can't be.

Are you more likely to have a bad medical result with the vaccine or without it. That's the only question you should be asking.

VAERS lists 21k deaths and 800k severe reactions. Those are just the docs who know about VAERS, have the time and wherewithal to file the report, and feel there's at least some suspicion of causation.

My wife has a likely vaccine heart injury (fortunately it's minor). One of my player's dad is at UVA with Guillain-Barré - today is day 18, which started 48 hours after his booster (he's a doctor). One of our friend's MIL had a series of tiny strokes a few days after her booster, she knew something was wrong when she lost control of her right arm.

In my tiny sphere I know three people who "took aspirin".

If you want to talk about the "percentages" and you're "better off" you might want to review some of this data re: all cause mortality in England. Apologize in advance if a review of the data causes you some cognitive dissonance, I know how painful that is...but it's not a slam dunk to take these shots.

Vax Has Slight But Waning Edge In Old But Harms The Young

You know I rarely ask, but please spread this post far and wide. It’s important. Berenson’s Post Many are asking about deaths rates in the vaxxed and unvaxxed in England, because of a p…

wmbriggs.com

Lastly, we hit 1MM cases in a day yesterday. 60MM known infections, 800k deaths, 500MM shots administered - and we just blew the previous 1 day case record away by 4X.

 

[fatman76]

I had never considered this angle, which is dumb, but health and life insurance agencies are very concerned with all cause mortality and serious illness/hospitalization. They also track why type of events cause both. Could they be the canary in the coalmine?

It will be interesting to see if stories like this pop up in other states.

Unprecedented: Deaths in America for ages 18-64 are up 40%

This is huge. Something is killing healthy people at an unprecedented rate. It isn't COVID. Could it be the "safe and effective" COVID vaccine? I think so. Here's why.

stevekirsch.substack.com

 

[BSC911]

We’re setting records after 500MM doses of these effective vaccines. VAERS is at 20k deaths and 800k serious events.

How bout we try a different tech?

Defending Fauci no matter what he says is a lot more woke than trying to point out the fact he’s gonna tank any non Big Pharma inoculation or treatment. You should get a t-shirt.

Already have one.

How many MAGA Tshirts , hats and boxer shorts do you own?

At least Fauci is qualified to speak on the subject. You just are easily swayed by contrarian opinions.

 

[BSC911]

VAERS lists 21k deaths and 800k severe reactions. Those are just the docs who know about VAERS, have the time and wherewithal to file the report, and feel there's at least some suspicion of causation.

My wife has a likely vaccine heart injury (fortunately it's minor). One of my player's dad is at UVA with Guillain-Barré - today is day 18, which started 48 hours after his booster (he's a doctor). One of our friend's MIL had a series of tiny strokes a few days after her booster, she knew something was wrong when she lost control of her right arm.

In my tiny sphere I know three people who "took aspirin".

If you want to talk about the "percentages" and you're "better off" you might want to review some of this data re: all cause mortality in England. Apologize in advance if a review of the data causes you some cognitive dissonance, I know how painful that is...but it's not a slam dunk to take these shots.

Vax Has Slight But Waning Edge In Old But Harms The Young

You know I rarely ask, but please spread this post far and wide. It’s important. Berenson’s Post Many are asking about deaths rates in the vaxxed and unvaxxed in England, because of a p…

wmbriggs.com

Lastly, we hit 1MM cases in a day yesterday. 60MM known infections, 800k deaths, 500MM shots administered - and we just blew the previous 1 day case record away by 4X.

I read it. You obviously aren’t aware of Simpson’s Paradox.

Not to mention some of the graphs are mislabeled. What’s the difference between the top and bottom charts? And I think I can explain the difference in the young

Edit. The bottom graphs are just mislabeled.

 

[nail1988]

The vegetable 🌶 strikes again

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

The vegetable 🌶 strikes again

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The donkey is SCOTUS and the carrot is "free test kits" that do not exist. Lets hope SCOTUS does not fall for the trick.

 

[fatman76]

Already have one.

How many MAGA Tshirts , hats and boxer shorts do you own?

At least Fauci is qualified to speak on the subject. You just are easily swayed by contrarian opinions.

Zero.

Keep listening to Fauci. Which booster are you on?

 

[fatman76]

The vegetable 🌶 strikes again

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is he laughing at reporters for asking questions?

 

[Illegal-shift]

VAERS lists 21k deaths and 800k severe reactions. Those are just the docs who know about VAERS, have the time and wherewithal to file the report, and feel there's at least some suspicion of causation.

My wife has a likely vaccine heart injury (fortunately it's minor). One of my player's dad is at UVA with Guillain-Barré - today is day 18, which started 48 hours after his booster (he's a doctor). One of our friend's MIL had a series of tiny strokes a few days after her booster, she knew something was wrong when she lost control of her right arm.

In my tiny sphere I know three people who "took aspirin".

If you want to talk about the "percentages" and you're "better off" you might want to review some of this data re: all cause mortality in England. Apologize in advance if a review of the data causes you some cognitive dissonance, I know how painful that is...but it's not a slam dunk to take these shots.

Vax Has Slight But Waning Edge In Old But Harms The Young

You know I rarely ask, but please spread this post far and wide. It’s important. Berenson’s Post Many are asking about deaths rates in the vaxxed and unvaxxed in England, because of a p…

wmbriggs.com

Lastly, we hit 1MM cases in a day yesterday. 60MM known infections, 800k deaths, 500MM shots administered - and we just blew the previous 1 day case record away by 4X.

I have concluded that your just not a sane person. You believe any kind of report that supports what you want to think, regardless of its reliability. You just accept anything you want to hear at face value. And you completely ignore/reject the much more prevalent, well reasoned and documented reports that show your wrong. Why?????? You have absolutely no interest in finding the truth.......your only interest is trying to support what you already believe.

And spare me your "inner circle", its an irrelevant small sample size and I would never believe what you told me anyway. You have proven so completely off base with everything else, why should this be any different. You have earned no credibility.

So I won't continue with this......you want to believe the world is flat despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, go ahead. You want to ignore people who have studied this stuff for decades and pretend your the expert, go ahead. Its your choice and if you chose to show the world your a nutcase who am I to tell you to change?

 

[fatman76]

I read it. You obviously aren’t aware of Simpson’s Paradox.

Not to mention some of the graphs are mislabeled. What’s the difference between the top and bottom charts? And I think I can explain the difference in the young

Edit. The bottom graphs are just mislabeled.

you should try finishing posts before you hit the "post reply" button

I looked up Simpson's Paradox. I'm in Marketing, not a more quant field. You're saying he's not looking to the underlying causes of why this data set shows a marginal benefit for older people and a negative benefit for younger people, correct? Please tell the class what factors he's missing.

And you tell us to listen to experts...this guy's resume is below. Seems pretty "expert" to me, but I guess I should listen to you. And Dr. Fauci. And Gator76. None of you three have ever been wrong as far as I can tell.

- Professor at the Cornell Medical School
- Statistician at DoubleClick in its infancy
- Meteorologist with the National Weather Service
- Cryptologist with the US Air Force (the only title I ever cared for was Staff Sergeant Briggs).
- PhD in Mathematical Statistics
- MS in Atmospheric Physics, and Bachelors is in Meteorology & Math.

Also author of Uncertainty: The Soul of Modeling, Probability & Statistics, a book which calls for a complete and fundamental change in the philosophy and practice of probability & statistics; author of two other books and dozens of works in fields of statistics, medicine, philosophy, meteorology and climatology, solar physics, and energy use appearing in both professional and popular outlets. Full CV (pdf updated rarely).

 

[fatman76]

I have concluded that your just not a sane person. You believe any kind of report that supports what you want to think, regardless of its reliability. You just accept anything you want to hear at face value. And you completely ignore/reject the much more prevalent, well reasoned and documented reports that show your wrong. Why?????? You have absolutely no interest in finding the truth.......your only interest is trying to support what you already believe.

And spare me your "inner circle", its an irrelevant small sample size and I would never believe what you told me anyway. You have proven so completely off base with everything else, why should this be any different. You have earned no credibility.

So I won't continue with this......you want to believe the world is flat despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, go ahead. You want to ignore people who have studied this stuff for decades and pretend your the expert, go ahead. Its your choice and if you chose to show the world your a nutcase who am I to tell you to change?

You get so mad, and for no reason. I hope I'm at least making you think a little and that's why you're so mad.

OK, you obviously don't believe VAERS reporting at all. Can you explain why - hopefully you do realize that it was set up and is maintained by the CDC? If that system is invalid, totally as you say, how many people have been injured or dead as a likely result of these vaccines? Do you think VAERS is factually inaccurate? Does it under or over report in your opinion?

And I don't care if you believe me or not, the people I know that have likely vaccine injures are real. One of them is my wife. I don't know what you think I have to gain by lying on a message board. I'm not an idiot, I know 3 people doesn't prove anything except what I've personally experienced. It's not "data", they are personal anecdotes.

And I got vaccinated during the Delta surge. Why would I be so desperate to prove I took a dangerous medical intervention for a disease I have a 99.98% chance of beating on my own? It doesn't make sense. I'm actually arguing against my own actions and making my past decisions look worse in every post.

But I'm here because I'm continuing to do research and I'm noticing that we're only allowed to talk about one path, one side of the argument. You wear your mask. You take these safe and effective vaccines - several times if you have to, and we'll tell you when to stop. You don't even think about treatments like vitamins, IVM or HCQ. If you're a doctor and you entertain these things you get your license pulled. But if you comply with all of these things you get to have the freedom back you had before Covid.

Does none of that even bother you a little? Are you seeing case numbers? Doesn't that make you question even a little whether everything we're being told is trustworthy and well intentioned?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I have concluded that your just not a sane person. You believe any kind of report that supports what you want to think, regardless of its reliability.

But...that's exactly what you just did LOL

@fatman76 asked you what about the 'vaccine' (see what I did there, @FresnoGator?) actually making you MORE likely to catch covid, and you said 'oh they said to ignore that' LMAO! No shit they did LOL

There are several posters here who have gotten the shots, but who are still investigating them and keeping an open mind about them. You are not one of these people.

Good luck.

 

[fatman76]

@Illegal-shift

Why on earth would one of the most aggressive gov'ts in the world against Covid need to set up a fund for the vaccine injured if the vaccine injured didn't exist? It makes no sense.

 

[fatman76]

But...that's exactly what you just did LOL

@fatman76 asked you what about the 'vaccine' (see what I did there, @FresnoGator?) actually making you MORE likely to catch covid, and you said 'oh they said to ignore that' LMAO! No shit they did LOL

There are several posters here who have gotten the shots, but who are still investigating them and keeping an open mind about them. You are not one of these people.

Good luck.

The most amazing things about their explanation - which was "young people in the booster group attended super spreader events and skewed the VE negative in the 90-150 day range" are:
1) Doesn't it still mean the vaccines didn't work? In other words, if we all have to stay socially distanced for the vaccines to work doesn't that mean they didn't work?
2) What good is a control if the test group is so different? If the test group acted very differently then doesn't that mean you don't have a control?
3) They provide ZERO proof of this claim. They just throw it out there and shrug.

Honestly, I think these researcher knew what they were doing/saying. I think they know the ONLY way to get peer reviewed and published was to come to the conclusion "we need to push boosters harder". Then they give us the data to clearly see for ourselves that if we really want these boosters to work we're going to need to take them every 30-60 days. After all, that part of the interpretation isn't their job. They showed that boosters work. They just don't work for very long.

Had they told us that even the draft would have been deep sixed by the media and medical community. You'll never see a study that says "after a period of time it appears these mRNA vaccines actually make you more likely to contract Covid than the unvaccinated".

 

[FresnoGator]

There seems to be an appalling lack of science with these explanations. Not surprising considering the reaction of obtuse MD/MPH guys like Fauci, who freaked out over the tongue in cheek use of the phrase "wonderfully mild pandemic" used to explain the historically low death rate. Right, @gator1776 ?

 

[fatman76]

Is this just proximity bias? I mean, does every year have what seems like alot of young athletes dying of heart attacks or does just seem like more because we're hearing about them?

If anyone has stats I'd appreciate it. I can't find anything.

Deportivo Marquense star dies after suffering heart attack in training

GUATEMALAN star Marcos Menaldo has tragically passed away at the age of 25 after suffering a heart attack in training on Monday. The Deportivo Marquense defender complained of breathing difficultie…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[fatman76]

Is this just proximity bias? I mean, does every year have what seems like alot of young athletes dying of heart attacks or does just seem like more because we're hearing about them?

If anyone has stats I'd appreciate it. I can't find anything.

Deportivo Marquense star dies after suffering heart attack in training

GUATEMALAN star Marcos Menaldo has tragically passed away at the age of 25 after suffering a heart attack in training on Monday. The Deportivo Marquense defender complained of breathing difficultie…

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Being a real BSC here replying to myself, but check this article. Just using rudimentary research we've seen a 5X increase in cardiac events in FA Soccer players. Seems statistically significant.

רטרו ניוז – מגזין חדשותי במגוון נושאים ישנים וחדשים. כל מה שרציתם לדעת.

רטרו ניוז הוא מגרש המשחקים הדיגיטלי לגילוי והשראה אינסופיים. בין אם אתם שועלי וינטג', אומנים מודרניים או חובבי חדשות – ברטרו ניוז תמצאו הכל.

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[goldmom]

Is this just proximity bias? I mean, does every year have what seems like alot of young athletes dying of heart attacks or does just seem like more because we're hearing about them?

If anyone has stats I'd appreciate it. I can't find anything.

Deportivo Marquense star dies after suffering heart attack in training

GUATEMALAN star Marcos Menaldo has tragically passed away at the age of 25 after suffering a heart attack in training on Monday. The Deportivo Marquense defender complained of breathing difficultie…

www.thesun.co.uk

Fauci will one day be fully exposed. He had the advantage of being off in a more obscure agency not usually in the headlines, as well as being a hugely political government careerist.