Georgia , South Carolina, Clemson and Duke were all games where we blew at least a 9 point second half lead.
That isn’t bad luck. That is a trend & a problem.
That isn’t bad luck. That is a trend & a problem.
NIT, here we come
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He's going to get this year and next and rightfully so, but he's got to show something in recruiting this year. He's got to deliver the class he has now and maybe add 1. A young coach is going to get lost in game, but he's got to make up for it in recruiting. That's what Billy D did. He pulled guys that UF had no business getting, and they all talked about how young he was and how they could relate to him better than Roy Williams at KU or Coach K, etc...
This team has below league average talent. It looked to me like UGA had the three or four best athletes on the floor at all times. Same deal with 'Bama. On one hand you say good job to Coach White for getting these guys to play hard and overcoming the fact that we have no bigs and really not much athletically on the wings. On the other hand, Coach has to help himself by bringing in better talent.
The fact that his recruiting hasn't been stellar might be a good thing:
The depth of the college basketball shenanigan's is about to be exposed.
“This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” said a source who has been briefed on the details of the case. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”
The depth of the college basketball shenanigan's is about to be exposed.
“This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” said a source who has been briefed on the details of the case. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”
You might be right.
That investigation cracks me up. You mean the NCAA system is susceptible to abuse just because it takes kids, who generally come from poorer backgrounds and who possess one of the most marketable skills on earth, and forces them to play for a year to enrich everyone but themselves? Truly shocking.
I used to think the investigation was a monumental waste of taxpayer money, and I'm still not sure what law anyone is breaking by funneling shoe money to kids. But if the investigation has the goods the way it's framed in that article, then I don't see how the NCAA continues with the amateurism sham. If it does bring an end to the bullshit, then the investigation won't be a complete waste.
When you actually look at the contributors and make up of the team this year, it isn’t that big of a “problem.” The “problem” is overwhelming expectations for a team that has only had 4 months of time actually playing together.
Everybody honestly needs to chill out, support this team, and enjoy watching it all play out. We can debrief whether we have “problems” or not a month from now when we figure out whether we have made the tournament and how we have finished the season.
Whose responsibility is the make up of the roster, though? He got some bad luck with Egbunu going down, but injuries happen.
I think there's this perception that he's a plus recruiter, probably because he's young and you just assume those guys can recruit, but if you look at his classes, they are not good.
2015: Leon (juco); Allen; Stone; Hayes. Allen and Stone are the best players he's recruited, but both are in year 3 and both have been about league average players this year. Leon was a decent role player. Hayes would be a good big off the bench. He's been overmatched about every night in the SEC as our primary big man.
2016: Bassett, Gorjok Gak and Eric Hester: Nothing to see here. Canyon Barry was an above-average SEC player. Hudson is very good, maybe 2nd team all-SEC.
2017: Stokes; Okauru; Chase Johnson; Ballard. Decent class. Potentially a couple of above-average SEC players in there and potentially decent role players. Egor is an above-average SEC player.
And that's it. That's why 'Bama thumped us. Their roster is better, way better. UGA's was better too. One of their guys is going to get drafted, their bigs and wings were way more athletic.
What was your realistic expectation for this season...to make the Elite Eight again?...Final Four? C’mon...
Revisit those expectations in about a month before making judgments on White.
The far too regular second half collapses are concerning.
I don’t see what White is doing to solve the issue because every time it happens, it looks exactly the same.
I agree his roster was limited, but again, who's fault is that in year 3? I think he's got enough to work with, in Allen, Chiozza, Hudson, Stone and Egor that making the tourney is a legit expectation. The expectations got artificially ramped up a notch when we hit a hot streak early and looked like the Golden St. Warriors.
I've said elsewhere that I would be impressed if he got this team into the tournament, and I still feel that way. I think it's going to be very tough to get to 11 wins though. 10 wins and a good SECT showing could do it as well.
Work in progress...it is a little concerning how up and down we are...sadgator agrees...but the final story ain’t written yet...
Holding out belief that they will pick it up and earn their way in. If they can do that...the rest is gravy...ISO.
Holding out belief that they will pick it up and earn their way in. If they can do that...the rest is gravy...ISO.
And he continues to justify slowing down the offense with a lead. It is like he cannot learn from his mistakes.
This team has a lot of potential and a lot of weaknesses. A slow, half court offense plays right into the team weakness.
Several losses could have been avoided by different coaching decisions.
Probably a must win today to make the tournament. I doubt we get to 20 wins (even including the SEC tourney) if we don't win today.
definitely must win. Usually tough at Vandy. Hopefully they play defense like they did on the road at USC and just take it from there.
Team playing pretty well. Needless to say they are shooting the lights out in the second half. Vandy’s Cheerleaders are smokin!
That has to be a clear path foul by the way.
That has to be a clear path foul by the way.
Also on the 3 on 1 where Hudson blew the layup, both Allen and Chiozza flared to the 3 point line! You’re down 1!
He obviously told them not to foul but I guess you just can’t have Hayes out there in that spot. He does not know what he’s doing.
Egor made a 3 at the 7:36 mark. Only 8 points since. Way to go White. take him out when he is hot.
Well since Softball and Baseball has started its time to move onward and forward. This team just doesn't have it whatsoever, and Coach White cannot recruit big men down under worth of crap.
Wow. I'd like to see what classes Hayes is taking because they have to be remedial. What a dumb ass. He stays lost on defense and thats when he's not getting himself out of position chasing a guard on the other end of the floor. I'm not sure i can watch this circus anymore.
Just a prediction. Next year will be White’s last year. He’s not very good.
We should miss the tourney this year which I think we lead to a miss in the tourney next year.
We should miss the tourney this year which I think we lead to a miss in the tourney next year.
We’ve only lost 10 games so far this year. Everything is going great. LOL.
I didn't watch today for the first time all year. Obviously didn't miss a thing. Watched the baseball team beat Siena 10-2 and the softball team beat La-Lafayette 4-0. Getting ready to watch the 2nd game of the softball doubleheader.
Looks like after all the criticism MJ has taken on this thread, his prophecy on 12/16 when he started it looks to be accurate. Just too many losses to poor/average teams. Our remaining schedule (Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama & KY) looks impossible the way these guys are playing, especially the last 10 minutes of games. NIT here we come!!! Who would have thunk it? MJ, not most of the rest of us.
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I would have been very, very happy to be wrong and have what would have been well deserved abuse heaped upon me.
We were up about the same as UGA. 9 or so with 10-11 minutes left. They hit everything but a lot of them were open shots. We were pretty disorganized on defense, culminating in Hayes’ foul, which really might have been the stupidest foul I’ve ever seen. It looked like he was trying to stop the clock after playing defense for :30 of shot clock.
I know, man. This team is more talented than last year's IMO. Egor is a step up from Barry, Chiozza is better than Hill. We miss Leon's tenacity and Robinson's athleticism, but there's just an IT factor that this team doesn't have. I'm very disappointed, but have moved on to softball & baseball.
You’re dumb. Mike White is awesome.
He obviously couches things and stuff.
That’s why we lost to an awful team.
Disagree that this team is more talented. Hill and Robinson were elite perimeter defenders. They were both NBA-level athletes. I’m not sure we have one this year. With Chiozza and Allen also on the floor, they completely locked down the three point line and penetration. That’s why you’re seeing Hayes get exposed this year. Nobody could get to him last year. Plus last year’s version of Allen was the best player on either team. Hudson and Egor are better offensive players than we had last year, but they have not meshed defensively, and Allen has been way more passive with them on the floor.
Hill was a turnover machine who couldn't shoot. Although he did play tenacious defense, he'll never get a sniff of an NBA uniform. He's playing in the Hungarian League and will spend whatever pro career he has in Europe. I'll take Chiozza every day any day, even though he's not played very well the last 2 games. Robinson was great when he was mentally in the game, but was very inconsistent. Hayes is just who he is. Plays hard, but plays dumb too often. I agree that Allen this year is a shadow of his former self. You're right that Hudson doesn't play defense, but Egor is our best rebounder and plays pretty decent defense, normally against the other's team's best #4 where he's always outsized. I still maintain that this year's team, while obviously not better, is more individually talented than last year's. They are definitely not jelling, especially on defense, but often not on the offensive end as well.
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Well that’s fine but you have to play offense and defense in basketball. Hill was 2nd team all SEC because the coaches who vote understand that there’s more to the game than shooting jumpers. The results on the court speak for themselves. And I agree that Chiozza is a better pg, but he was on the team last year and played pretty much the same minutes as hill and Allen.
Last year was a team. This year is a bunch of talented individuals faking like they're a team, saying the right things in press conferences but then repeating the same mistakes game after game. People raved about our coach getting last year's group to the Elite 8 and now some are saying he's no good because of how they've devolved this year. I'm not sure. Just know that the team this year started off great guns, then started getting exposed, lost confidence, played disjointed defense, had large gaps of being able to do nothing on offense, made dumb mental errors all over the place. Anyway, everybody has their opinions. I've expressed mine and have moved on to softball & baseball, where we have a legit chance to win championships.
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