If there is anyone on this board who thinks government needs to butt out of 99.9% of our lives, it’s me.
Gay marriage support (morals)
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Bingo. They should have never gotten involved in marriage. No licenses, no tax breaks.
Flat consumption tax that treats everyone equal, leave marriage where it began,,,,in Genesis. Problem solved.
Any other issues (estate affairs, custodial rights etc) are then handled the same for all parties because the Government has no hand in any of it.
You want your kids to go to grandma if you die? Fine, then everyone must have a living will if they want that.
Ok, end of that rant, but you better believe that dems are using homosexuality and gay marriage as a gateway for other stuff that isn’t currently socially acceptable. They will keep chipping away until folks define where their moral compass is defined.
All sins will be dealt with according to scriptures but to simply rationalize sin is not acceptable. That would be like a kleptomaniac saying that stealing is not a sin because they were born to steal.
True but who are we to judge? Bible specifically states “Thou shall not judge”.
Not judging anyone's soul, but we can't afford to allow our children to be taught that sin is nothing to worry about. This is exactly what is undermining parental authority and the results are catastrophic. You serve one of two masters, God or Satan.
A person can be gay and not a pedophile just like there are straight pedophiles too
True, but a pedo is just a sick person whether they are gay or straight. It has a lot to do with not controlling urges and being emotionally weak/mentally ill.
Ummmm. Ok. I think you’re missing @Dr. Curmudgeon point.
So agree. Even though it sickens me personally...thou art not for me to judge. HUGE believer we were founded on Christian beliefs...however Christianity is NOT the only form of religion granted by our Constitution. I am 100% a Constitutionalist. Not a convenient Constitutionalist. Those people will answer to God one day...and it is none of my business.
So disagree. There are laws. BY LAW...kids are the sole responsibility of their parents until they turn 18.
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Agree brother. Pointing out the absurdity of the “who are we to judge” argument. Libs will take that argument and run with it.
Satan will always rationalize sin to remove any guilt towards transgression.
But Doc...even though personally I agree with you....our Constitution does not allow others to force their religious beliefs on others.
It is freedom from the persecution of religion. The original colonists were escaping religious persecution which is why they worded the Constitution the way it was written. Henry the 8th and other leaders were forming different Churches to circumvent accountability for sin. Too many parents allow teachers and fellow sinners to indoctrinate our children with false narratives regarding the constitution. Do you think Muslims or Orthodox Jews are not obeying their commandments? So, why should Christians be silent? Jesus would never remain silent when he saw rationalization for sins, and anyone that is in discipleship with Christ should not tolerate it either.
I understand it is freedom OF religion, not FROM religion...however NO ONE has the right in America to force THEIR religion on others. In America...we base our laws on the Constitution of the United States...not on any certain religion.
No one is forcing anything on anyone religiously. In fact, the opposite is occurring. Such as gay pride events and other disgusting abominations being carried out in schools and on our city streets. Transgender fashion shows, etc. Why should we Christians be silent when we see evil? If you say nothing and do nothing you are actually supporting such things.
I don't think so. My point is that being a pedo is irrelevant to whether someone is hetero or homosexual.
great post
We shouldn’t be silent. Again folks continue to misconstrue the word “judgement”
No one here is determining “judging” heaven or hell. But God gave us the ability to determine right from wrong.
We don’t hate the sinner, we hate the sin. But that doesn’t mean we sit idly by while evil acts take place. It doesn’t mean to turn a blind eye to sin either.
True love is both gentle and corrective. True love directs towards Jesus and his plan. Yes you catch more bees with honey, but you also try to keep from getting stung.
Not saying be quiet at all. In fact, just the opposite. What I am TRYING to say is that legally in the USA you cannot base the way you feel religiously on others LEGALLY. I think we need more religion and morals in our life as a Country, but we have to be careful not to tramp the Constitution.
No one is doing that. Have you chastised any other religious group besides Christians? Or claimed they are undermining the Constitution?
We aren't reading the same thread.
Yes. I don't believe that we're big fans of sharia law either.
Okay? But, you stand up for evil, if it is protected under the constitution, right? No sinner has the authority to judge one another for sins, we only judge the laws they break.
LOLOL..I have not chastised any religion....except Islam in my life.
Are you a democrat? You are posting like you are. Show me ANYWHERE that I have chastised a religion.When you cannot do that....show me where I "stand up for evil" I will check back with you.
I stand up for Christ ahead of everything, Sir. You are the one defending gay marriage, not me.
I do not stand up for evil. I stand up for free will and the separation of church and state... which is its physical manifestation within the confines of our constitution.
I don't believe either one of us believes that sanctity can be dictated. Knowing that, why would we provide the enemy with ammunition? It's a fools errand imho.
I follow the Constitution as a member of the US, however, it is trivial compared to the Word which is ordained by God almighty.
I certainly hope not. But, I seek no validation from you or him or any fellow sinner. My authority is from the highest court.
I feel certain that we feel the same way. That was sort of my point.
Again, he's a big boy he doesn't need you to speak on his behalf.
You ARE a lefty. Or you have as bad a reading comprehension problem as DMF does.
And you are welcome to think this way...until you run up against our Nations laws. Personally (now please read this VERY closely, I am really worrying that you are turning lefty on us with your reading comprehension issues) I AGREE WITH YOU in most cases. Where we DIFFER is that while you are welcome to believe as you do...you cannot force those belief on others in America!!
I wasn't attempting to speak on his behalf. I was merely butting into a conversation giving my opinion.
He's more than capable of providing you with his opinion.
Lets hope that Clarence Thomas gets his way and that Obergefell is overturned. At that moment gay marriage will be illegal in TN. People can hoop and holler about forcing religion or separation of church and state. To me that is moot nonsense because 80% of the voters in TN voted to make that the constitutional law here. Something about 9th and 10th amendments come to mind.
Rights come from the Creator who has declared homosexuality an abomination. There is no right to abominations.
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." - John Jay 1st Chief Justice of SCOTUS.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." President John Adams.
We do NOT have a wall of separation we have a one-way mirror.
Gubmint may not interfere with the church but the church most assuredly has the right to influence the gubmint through the ballot box and rallying members from the pulpit to vote their conscience. This is the intent of the 1st amendment and the true implication of Jefferson's statement. He was after all replying to Baptist ministers and allaying their fears.
He was not replying to Libertarians who confuse Liberty with "anything goes" licentiousness.
"..Freely, and fully have and enjoy his and their own judgments, and conscience in matters of religious concernments . . .; they behaving themselves peaceably and quietly and not using this liberty to licentiousness and profaneness; nor to the civil injury, or outward disturbance of others." Rhode Island Charter 1663
but even after the Declaration we find the founders/framers using the same language to add to the intent and limitations of Liberty.
"The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this state, to all mankind: provided that the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state." - NY State Constitution 1777
www.libertymagazine.org
-Sandra Day O'Connor a moderate wrote the article
licentious: lacking legal or moral restraints especially : disregarding sexual restraints
Merriam- Webster
Rights come from the Creator who has declared homosexuality an abomination. There is no right to abominations.
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." - John Jay 1st Chief Justice of SCOTUS.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." President John Adams.
We do NOT have a wall of separation we have a one-way mirror.
Gubmint may not interfere with the church but the church most assuredly has the right to influence the gubmint through the ballot box and rallying members from the pulpit to vote their conscience. This is the intent of the 1st amendment and the true implication of Jefferson's statement. He was after all replying to Baptist ministers and allaying their fears.
He was not replying to Libertarians who confuse Liberty with "anything goes" licentiousness.
"..Freely, and fully have and enjoy his and their own judgments, and conscience in matters of religious concernments . . .; they behaving themselves peaceably and quietly and not using this liberty to licentiousness and profaneness; nor to the civil injury, or outward disturbance of others." Rhode Island Charter 1663
but even after the Declaration we find the founders/framers using the same language to add to the intent and limitations of Liberty.
"The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this state, to all mankind: provided that the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state." - NY State Constitution 1777
Liberty, Not Licentiousness
-Sandra Day O'Connor a moderate wrote the article
licentious: lacking legal or moral restraints especially : disregarding sexual restraints
Merriam- Webster
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