And that's coming from the Megadumbfartgator, so it's so very important....
Gay marriage support (morals)
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People like me that don't let politics shape our values and morals? Yes, I sadly suspect that such people are a mystery to people like you that put politics in the center of their lives.
This is the result of not having morals grounded in something greater than self/society. I would contend social issues are priority 1 to address.
Never heard a man describe lesbians as gross. I hope you're talking about the butch types.
My opinion is that therer were men walking around 70-80 years ago who needed a wheelbarrow to tote their nuts around in and after they went and won ww2, things got so good for our country that men didn't have to be all that tough anymore so they started to become pussies instead. Tough times make tough men, tough men make easy times, easy times make weak men, weak men make tough times.Discussion topic. MAGA. Is there a correlation between changing morals, the erosion of morals in America, and the systematic erosion of America as we once knew it?
I bring this up as a chicken or egg discussion based on @Mdfgator saying Who GAF about gay marriage. I think most agree America isn’t what it once was. So what came first, erosion/changing of morals then America changing for the worse, or America becoming worse then morals changing?
IMO, we get ourselves right with God, and everything else will take care if itself. So yes, social issues matter.
Growing Support for Gay Marriage: Changed Minds and Changing Demographics
Overview The rise in support for same-sex marriage over the past decade is among the largest changes in opinion on any policy issue over this time period.www.pewresearch.org
Yeah, I realize most will be hesitant to give their honest opinion. Discomfort is good. As for me?
Obviously, this is part of the decay of morality. As a minister, I can't sugarcoat sin. You can't be married unless it's a man and a woman.Discussion topic. MAGA. Is there a correlation between changing morals, the erosion of morals in America, and the systematic erosion of America as we once knew it?
I bring this up as a chicken or egg discussion based on @Mdfgator saying Who GAF about gay marriage. I think most agree America isn’t what it once was. So what came first, erosion/changing of morals then America changing for the worse, or America becoming worse then morals changing?
IMO, we get ourselves right with God, and everything else will take care if itself. So yes, social issues matter.
Growing Support for Gay Marriage: Changed Minds and Changing Demographics
Overview The rise in support for same-sex marriage over the past decade is among the largest changes in opinion on any policy issue over this time period.
Yeah, I realize most will be hesitant to give their honest opinion. Discomfort is good. As for me?
Written in 1997 By SC Justice Sandra Day O'Conner
"By 1789 every state but Connecticut had incorporated some version of a free exercise clause into its constitution. ...
...the New York Constitution of 1777 provided: "The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this state, to all mankind: provided that the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state...
The Maryland Declaration of Rights of 1776 read: "No person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate on account of his religious persuasion or profession, or for his religious practice; unless, under color of religion, any man shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the state, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others...
Foremost, these early leaders accorded religious exercise a special constitutional status...
...all agreed that government interference in religious practice was not to be lightly countenanced.
...shared the conviction that "true religion and good morals are the only solid foundation of public liberty and happiness...
Our Nation's Founders conceived of a Republic receptive to voluntary religious expression, not of a secular society in which religious expression is tolerated only when it does not conflict with a generally applicable law. As the historical sources discussed above show, the Free Exercise Clause is properly understood as an affirmative guarantee of the right to participate in religious activities without impermissible governmental interference, even where a believer's conduct is in tension with a law of general application...."
DC:
The founders never intended for freedom/liberty to be used as an excuse for licentiousness. This would mean that freedom would not include LGBTQ+ behavior. Nor would LGBT+ persons be afforded
"rights" based on that behavior. And the free exercise clause would never allow for bakers, photographers and bed and breakfast owners be compelled to serve said persons in violation of their conscience.
Liberty, Not Licentiousness
Article:"By 1789 every state but Connecticut had incorporated some version of a free exercise clause into its constitution. ...
...the New York Constitution of 1777 provided: "The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever hereafter be allowed, within this state, to all mankind: provided that the liberty of conscience, hereby granted, shall not be so construed as to excuse acts of licentiousness, or justify practices inconsistent with the peace or safety of this state...
The Maryland Declaration of Rights of 1776 read: "No person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate on account of his religious persuasion or profession, or for his religious practice; unless, under color of religion, any man shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the state, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others...
Foremost, these early leaders accorded religious exercise a special constitutional status...
...all agreed that government interference in religious practice was not to be lightly countenanced.
...shared the conviction that "true religion and good morals are the only solid foundation of public liberty and happiness...
Our Nation's Founders conceived of a Republic receptive to voluntary religious expression, not of a secular society in which religious expression is tolerated only when it does not conflict with a generally applicable law. As the historical sources discussed above show, the Free Exercise Clause is properly understood as an affirmative guarantee of the right to participate in religious activities without impermissible governmental interference, even where a believer's conduct is in tension with a law of general application...."
DC:
The founders never intended for freedom/liberty to be used as an excuse for licentiousness. This would mean that freedom would not include LGBTQ+ behavior. Nor would LGBT+ persons be afforded
"rights" based on that behavior. And the free exercise clause would never allow for bakers, photographers and bed and breakfast owners be compelled to serve said persons in violation of their conscience.
i dont vote, pointless, too many stupid people and too many crooks that run. i will let you sheep line up and "make a difference"
Did you think you were making a difference when you went to CVS and dutifully got your booster shot every time it was available?
Sheep live to be hoodwinked.
Translated from emoji to English: "How the phuck did you know?"
He's tap dancing around the issues here like a champ.
Transgender is a made up political concept. It didn't 'exist'' when he was a child dreaming of living on the mean streets of Gay Bay.
Hiden has covid. After saying he never would. And saying @Mdfgator wouldn't either if @Mdfgator did as he was told and got the shots.
@Mdfgator got hoodwinked. Again. If he's smart, this time he will take a step back, and think about what got him in this situation, and stop being a sheep.
I doubt he is smart. He will continue to be subservient to his politics, and he will continue to live a life of misery that reflects that.
operation warp speed!!!! my two spirit lil buddy!!
Nobel Prize winning scientist says trans stuff is nonsense.Of course she is telling us something most of us already knew.
www.wnd.com
'Unscientific nonsense': Nobel-winning biologist shreds trans 'madness' * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh
Many politicians these days, mostly Democrats and other leftists, are enamored with the transgender ideology: that boys can be turned into girls and girls into boys with life-altering chemicals and body-mutilating surgeries.
www.wnd.com
Did @Mdfgator ever explain how you can 'choose' your gender but can't choose your sexuality?Nobel Prize winning scientist says trans stuff is nonsense.Of course she is telling us something most of us already knew.
'Unscientific nonsense': Nobel-winning biologist shreds trans 'madness' * WorldNetDaily * by Bob Unruh
Many politicians these days, mostly Democrats and other leftists, are enamored with the transgender ideology: that boys can be turned into girls and girls into boys with life-altering chemicals and body-mutilating surgeries.
Weak men make tough times.
I think this thread got a little off topic from the OP's original question. I will throw my 2 cents in on that.
I believe that history can teach us exactly what is happening to the US. It has happened in virtually every civilization which has risen to dominance and then crumbled from within. Greece, Rome and on. Typically, strong countries are forged from hardship. People band together against a common foe or issue and put aside their differences in order to facilitate the greater good. Too many pressing problems to dwell on the peripheral issues. Then, after the major issues are tackled, people can start to address the smaller issues and turn them into major ones.
We also see a rise of sexual immorality, specifically with homosexuality and other sexual deviancies rise when cultures start to fall. There seems to be a strong correlation historically. Looking at the US, when long-term committed nuclear families starting decreasing, our society started declining. I don't believe homosexual couples provide the same environment that heterosexual couples provide for children. I don't even have to base this on a religious belief, even though I have that, but on purely secular data. Kids both a strong male and female role model. Especially young men. Men in this country have been emasculated under the guise of toxic masculinity, to back down from the role they typically served as protectors, providers, and disciplinarians.
I also believe the total lack of people taking responsibility for their own actions has brought about the US decline. We have abortion because people don't want to be responsible for birth control or the ramifications of having consensual sex. We have parents fighting teachers because their children won't respect authority (the good teachers that is). We have people not respecting each other or the police and being openly antagonistic, and when they are caught, they simply point the blame at someone else. We have groups who refuse to help themselves and simply talk about things which happened 150 to 200 years ago as justification for their own problems which they create by their actions with no concept of personal responsibility. To make matters worse, they degrade any member of their group who refuse to play the victim, respect others, and make something of themselves in something other than entertainment or sports as a sellout.
The question is how do we fix it. From a moral perspective, I don't believe in legislating morality. You cannot in my opinion. To change society, you must change individuals. Enough changed individuals change society. So I believe everyone who wants to make a positive change should actively invest in other people and change their hearts, then if enough people do that, then society will change. Just my thoughts...
I believe that history can teach us exactly what is happening to the US. It has happened in virtually every civilization which has risen to dominance and then crumbled from within. Greece, Rome and on. Typically, strong countries are forged from hardship. People band together against a common foe or issue and put aside their differences in order to facilitate the greater good. Too many pressing problems to dwell on the peripheral issues. Then, after the major issues are tackled, people can start to address the smaller issues and turn them into major ones.
We also see a rise of sexual immorality, specifically with homosexuality and other sexual deviancies rise when cultures start to fall. There seems to be a strong correlation historically. Looking at the US, when long-term committed nuclear families starting decreasing, our society started declining. I don't believe homosexual couples provide the same environment that heterosexual couples provide for children. I don't even have to base this on a religious belief, even though I have that, but on purely secular data. Kids both a strong male and female role model. Especially young men. Men in this country have been emasculated under the guise of toxic masculinity, to back down from the role they typically served as protectors, providers, and disciplinarians.
I also believe the total lack of people taking responsibility for their own actions has brought about the US decline. We have abortion because people don't want to be responsible for birth control or the ramifications of having consensual sex. We have parents fighting teachers because their children won't respect authority (the good teachers that is). We have people not respecting each other or the police and being openly antagonistic, and when they are caught, they simply point the blame at someone else. We have groups who refuse to help themselves and simply talk about things which happened 150 to 200 years ago as justification for their own problems which they create by their actions with no concept of personal responsibility. To make matters worse, they degrade any member of their group who refuse to play the victim, respect others, and make something of themselves in something other than entertainment or sports as a sellout.
The question is how do we fix it. From a moral perspective, I don't believe in legislating morality. You cannot in my opinion. To change society, you must change individuals. Enough changed individuals change society. So I believe everyone who wants to make a positive change should actively invest in other people and change their hearts, then if enough people do that, then society will change. Just my thoughts...
Corrupt morality in Sodom & Gomorrah had severe consequences.
And so did Babylon banking practices.
While socialism has ended up as a disease everywhere it's been forced on the people.
But it seems that many people are unable to learn from past mistakes.....
And so did Babylon banking practices.
While socialism has ended up as a disease everywhere it's been forced on the people.
But it seems that many people are unable to learn from past mistakes.....
Well, humanity has forever been trying to circumvent responsibility for their actions and this is just another sin that has been ignorant to any biblical facts and presented as normal as a baby nursing its mother.
So I do...but as much as I disagree with it(it actually is sickening to me)...I also do not think it is my right to force those religious beliefs on others. What people do in their bedroom is their business. After reading mor eposts...trannies ARE SICK IN THE HEAD...and to me get ZERO recognition. They need mental help as bad as homeless people do. No freebies from uncle sugar.
While I agree...it is no ones business but theirs...and Gods. Man should not think he can be the judge on some of this. I personally do not believe it is a choice with almost all of them. I think it is in their genes. If that is so...God created those genes.
I talked with a priest that professed to have urges/temptations but he said he was able to pray those urges away and never acted on them. Yes, you have temptations (we all do) but that is Satan tempting you, not God.
Why it is your/everyones business:
Leviticus 18
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled;)
28 That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.
We ALL come under judgment for accepting LGBTQ+
I am all for privacy in the bedroom but marriage is a PUBLIC act of acceptance.
We went from "what I do in my own bedroom is my business" to Rainbow Dildo Butt Monkey reading to kids at a library REAL fast.Discussion topic. MAGA. Is there a correlation between changing morals, the erosion of morals in America, and the systematic erosion of America as we once knew it?
I bring this up as a chicken or egg discussion based on @Mdfgator saying Who GAF about gay marriage. I think most agree America isn’t what it once was. So what came first, erosion/changing of morals then America changing for the worse, or America becoming worse then morals changing?
IMO, we get ourselves right with God, and everything else will take care if itself. So yes, social issues matter.
Growing Support for Gay Marriage: Changed Minds and Changing Demographics
Overview The rise in support for same-sex marriage over the past decade is among the largest changes in opinion on any policy issue over this time period.
Yeah, I realize most will be hesitant to give their honest opinion. Discomfort is good. As for me?
There's a really good IG account I follow called gaysagainstgroomers. It shows that a majority of gay people were either born with or developed a sexual preference for their own sex, but are otherwise good people who are just as horrified by the far left as we are.
My cousin is gay and she's a very good person. A woman I work closely with was married and had kids, and now is married to another woman...she's an awesome person and fun to party with. We spent an entire day/night hanging with a good friend's brother who showed us around NOLA and we had about as much fun as we've ever had, guy was a hoot.
I've just met too many really great gay people who are extremely beneficial members of society to think that the moral decline is their fault. The issue is the far left and their sick fascination with sexualizing kids and pushing the envelope too far on literally every progressive issue.
My stance is - you stay outta my bedroom and I'll reciprocate, but anyone trying to sexualize children gay or straight needs to be dealt with harshly. We've ruined the innocence of youth.
And as for marriage...why not let gay people be as miserable as the rest of us?
I'm not going to comment on whether it's mental illness or not because I don't know - but just try to think about how horrible it would be to think you were actually born in the wrong body. Believing it enough you'd undergo surgeries to mutilate yourself to try to "feel better".
I have no doubt this is real for some people, and it makes me so sad. It has to be a horrible realization/life at some or most points. I almost feel lucky to be hetero and appreciate myself.
This all ties back to kids and letting them do this to themselves. In CA you have to be 21 to buy Redi Whip, but you can have your penis removed as a minor. Crazy...
I have no problem with either, but certainly identify with what lesbians are attracted to...
Oh I get it. I had a business that partnered with what is essentially a gay bar. Still very close with many of the workers and employees. But that wasn’t the point. We are all sinners. I don’t condone half the things I do, as I am no better than anyone.
According to the bible, homosexuality is a sin. We either believe the book, or we don’t. That doesn’t mean I am not friends with “sinners”. That would be a lonely road. But it also doesn’t mean we should condone “sin”
As for marriage, my point all along was if Government had never gotten involved in the business of marriage, through tax breaks, licenses etc….the great debate on gay marriage would be left where it started, and where it belongs. In the church.
In that instance….all the other stuff that was brought up (custodial rights etc) would be the same for everyone anyway. Why? Because government wouldn’t be in the business, which would put all of us on a level playing field. Get a legal doc for it. For everyone.
Could not agree more...I wish someone would do something about Brandon. His followers just do not care about this at all. We can see it right here on this board. NOT ONE condemns this kind of crime on children. So it continues.....
Always remember in these situations there are many different religions and belief systems with many different “rules”.
Christianity is one of them but it’s not the only one. Your truth isn’t always someone else’s.
Don’t disagree. But this country, was founded upon Judeo Christian beliefs and values. The point remains the same, The idea of marriage, didn’t begin with Government. Government (at least our government) took the idea from the church that is rooted in this countries very humble beginnings. They got their hands on it, and….like many other things they meddle in, we now have problems.
Again. I don’t know if your a christian or not. None of my business. But as a Christian, I either believe all of the book, or none of it. And if I believe the book, marriage begins in genesis. It is what it is.
Edit: So I guess to add on to this, if it was out of Governments hands. Then each religion could do whatever it is they want. @fatman76
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This^^^We can neither add nor take away from the Word if we are faith believers. To blame God for our temptations is ludicrous. No religion whether it is Islamic, Jewish, or Christian believes that to be true.
I will just leave this here, in the gateway drug thread. Again folks, what are you using to define your moral compass? Your emotions? Social acceptance? Just sayin, give an inch, thou taketh a mile. Be careful not to corner yourself.
Honestly, I could careless of gay people want to get married. That decision is between God and them. Love and let live. Judgement day comes for all of us and if it’s wrong, the wicked get punished 🤷🏼♂️
I wish it was between God and them. Not the Government. 😉
Just sayin….it’s a slippery slope when folks moral compass is based on peer pressure for social acceptance.
Seeds are being sewn for other changes. Who are we to judge what age kids can explore sexuality. That’s between God…..nm
Love has many forms. One, is teaching right from wrong.
