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UF has 16 Olinemen on scholly. How many are you supposed to have? I'm sure the Noles can fill us in since they know our team better than we do. Just an FYI but 16 scholly olinemen is plenty.
There is not a sane Gator on the planet (at least one being honest with himself) who wouldn't trade the current FSU OL and the OL FSU just recruited for the 16 members of the OL on UF's roster.
 
Way to pick which service had which guy as a four star. Too funny. Just use 247 composite. It averages out all the IDIOTS into one MORONIC grade. It's pretty DUMB. The gators signed 6 four stars in 2016 and 4 total Blue chips in 2015. But nice try and it makes it look better on paper, which is all you can hope for at this point. Since it's already 5 of the last 6 lost to Fsu and this year is back in Tallycrappy, on Ron Zook Field at Joke Shamble Stadium. Good luck!!
Fixed that for ya.... :p

What the moe-rons don't account for is that the recruiting services are there for their own $$ benefit, and thus they are a biased source of questionable and always suspect information. I will always favor the opinions of my HBC and his staff when it comes to judging the quality/talent of the Gator student/athletes that they bring in to UF.

Attempting to 'tell me' what to do (use 247), or who to follow/believe when it comes to the recruiting classes is a real waste of time on your part, but continue, as you prolly have nothing better to do with your life.

And as to that, I'm still waiting for some genius criminole to show us how much better E-mouth Lane is as a WR, than Antonio Callaway is. This will show you just how much the recruiting services really know about the individuals.

Wait, here, let me help you out with the comparison quality of 247's averages: :rolleyes:

#47 WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 185 *** (National Ranking 363) - Chump
On the field reality - 2015: GP 14
Rec - 35 for 678 yds, 19.4 yds/rec, Long 66 yds, 4 TD's.
Rush - 3 for 19 yds, 6.3 ypc
KR - With 2 kicks returned for TD's.

#3 WR Ermon Lane 6-3 193 ***** (National Ranking #24) - Blue Chipper
On the field reality - 2014-15: GP 10
Rec - 17 for 296 yds, 17.4 yds/rec, Long 59 yds, 1 TD
Rush - None
KR - None


When 247 does their averages, they are still getting nothing better than the average of the recruiting service idiots wiss-dumb, not the wisdom of the coaches that are making millions for what they know.

But you have yourself a real nice day anyway.... :cool:
 
There is not a sane Gator on the planet (at least one being honest with himself) who wouldn't trade the current FSU OL and the OL FSU just recruited for the 16 members of the OL on UF's roster.
FSUs oline wasn't any good this year. How many times has FSU had a good Oline with Trickett as the coach? Not very many.
 
Believe it or not, It's actually not very difficult to break down a couple of teams recruiting data. It took me about 10 minutes total, while enjoying my cup of coffee. I'm shocked something so simplistic in nature, seems so difficult or time consuming to you? It is not rocket science and doesn't require any kind of high level data mining to break down. It's actually at our finger tips now, it's 2016. Just an FYI on that.

This is just a way for you to deflect from the lack of talent the gators are bringing in. To assume I don't have a hobby, or a life because I made a post about the gators lack of talent is pretty ignorant and humorous.


Do you also look at people around town and assume they have money or not by the clothes they are wearing that day?


If you can't look at the last two classes and openly admit that they are a step back from what the gators are used to bringing in, then there is not much we can do for you.

Thanks for taking a brief 10 minutes outnof your time to research a team you don't root for. Sorry but I'm not taking 5 minutes out of my valuable to research FSU over a cup of coffee.

Take a look at the last two classes you say? Well I saw Antonio Callaway, Martez Ivey, Cece Jefferson, Jordan Scarlett, Jordan Cronkrite, and Fred Johnson all help the team to achieve more victories this past season than in the past two seasons. Sure they contributed to 4 losses, two being large blowouts. However in those blowouts I saw a bunch of selfish (yet high ranked recruits) play like a bunch of punks and I saw an inept QB. Paying attention to the recruits I saw them busting their arse and were proud to be Gators. They weren't like the Twitter warriors that pull themselves out of Bowl games. I want cultural change. Not punk arse kids who are worried about star rankings and Twitter followers.

I can't comment on this year's class because I have yet to see them in any practice or game. I do however see a future QB of the program. An improvement at kicker. More depth at RB. I can't comment on how the OL, LBers, or DE recruit will be until I see them in pads against college players.
 
There is not a sane Gator on the planet (at least one being honest with himself) who wouldn't trade the current FSU OL and the OL FSU just recruited for the 16 members of the OL on UF's roster.


I have yet to see how well your brand new recruits have panned out compared to ranking. I have yet to see how our current OL recruits are after another year under a newer staff and another year of off season conditioning. Frankly I don't keep up with FSU OL nor give an ish about FSU to evaluate them as many of you Noles take time out of your daily routine to research Florida Gator recruiting.
 
16 members of the OL on UF's roster.

If you'll use all of your fingers and toes, plus that empty coffee cup, then you can maybe come up with the correct total of OL'men on the 2016 Gator roster. :cool:

#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 355 Jr ***** - Jacksonville, FL (LT starter as a tFr)
#32 OT Andrew Mike 6-6 278 rsSo *** - Tucson, AZ
#1 OT Martez Ivey 6-5 295 So ***** - Apopka, FL (Fr All SEC Team)
#155 OT Fredrick Johnson 6-6 305 So *** - West Palm Beach, FL (underrated, RT Starter)
#21 OT Kavaris Harkless 6-5 300 Fr **** - Jacksonville, FL

#26 OC/OG Travaris Dorsey 6-2 318 rsSo *** - Jacksonville, FL
#3 OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 292 So **** - Jacksonville, FL
#76 OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 302 rsFr *** - Clermont, FL
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr **** - Mount Dora, FL

#20 OG Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr **** - Canton, MI
#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 322 rsJr **** - Lawrenceville, GA
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 357 rsFr **** - Warner Robins, GA

#79 OG/DT Richerd Desir-Jones 6-4 290 rsFr *** - Fort Lauderdale, FL
#105 OG Nick Buchanan 6-2 285 rsFr *** - Dunwoody, GA
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr *** - Cocoa, FL
#89 OG/OT Stone Forsythe 6-8 325 Fr *** - Winter Garden, FL - EE
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OT Marcel Benalcazar 6-7 334 Sr ** - Miramar, FL W-O (xfer from FSUcks)
OG Zach Shinn 6-2 280 rsSo ** - Plant City, FL W-O
OG Marcus Givens 6-0 263 rsFr ** - Saint Augustine, FL W-O
OG Nick Villano 6-2 312 rsFr ** - Wellington, FL W-O
OG Donovan Welch 6-4 286 rsFr ** - Clermont, FL W-O

Sorry, but with Summers to coach them up, I'd not trade my student/athlete group for your pack of thug criminoles, you're welcome to them.... :p
 
And nothing will be changing between now and the 2017 season, it will be the EXACT same team then as it is now....:rolleyes: (genius) :confused:

As to the actual 'facts' of your (imo) idiot rant:

2016 OL (partial listing)

#1 OT Martez Ivey 6-5 295 So ***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 355 Jr *****


#3 OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 292 So ****
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr ****

#20 OG Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr ****
#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 322 rsJr ****
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 357 rsFr ****
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr ***
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#2 CB Jalen Tabor 6-0 191 4.45/40 Jr ***** (All American)
#2 CB Chauncey Gardner 5-11 197 4.50/40 Fr ****

#15 CB/FS Quincy Wilson 6-1 209 Jr ****
#16 CB Duke Dawson 5-10 204 Jr ****
#5 FS Marcus Maye 6-0 207 rsSr ****
#7 SS Marcel Harris 6-1 211 rsJr ****
#11 FS/Nic Nick Washington 6-0 195 rsJr ****
(so talented that most of them can play any of the DB positions)

#1 ILB Alex Anzalone 6-3 244 Sr *****
#3 OLB Daniel McMillian 6-1 219 Sr ****
#5 OLB Mat Rolin 6-3 216 rsJr ****

#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 5.0/40 Fr **** (Saban tried to flip him)
#24 OLB Jeremia Moon 6-4 210 4.7/40 Fr ****
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 4.8/40 Fr ****

RUSH Jordan Sherit 6-4 250 rsJr **** (OLB/DE)
RUSH Justus Reed 6-3 240 rsSo **** (OLB/DE)

#2 DE CeCe Jefferson 6-1 275 So
***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-3 217 4.70/40 Fr *****

#2 DT Thomas Holley 6-3 320 rsSo *****
#6 DT Caleb Brantley 6-2 314 rsJr ****

#12 DE/DT Joey Ivie 6-3 295 Sr **** (DE grew into starting DT)
#21 DT Khairi Clark 6-2 325 rsSo ****
#35 DE/DT Taven Bryan 6-5 292 rsSo *** (DE grew into DT)
#44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 302 rsFr *** (Joey's brother)
#45 DT/DE Jabari Zuniga 6-3 263 rsFr ***
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All but the 2 Sr LB's and 1 rsSr FS are eligible for 2017, if none of those non-BC's go early to the NFL... :rolleyes: (like 5 more early departures are doing this year)



Sorry, but the Key West Bait & Tackle Shop's recruit rankings don't count. How about offering up some legitimate recruiting rankings. You know, like Rivals.
 
The Gators who aren't paying attention to this are whistling past the graveyard. The past 3 classes have gutted our roster and with no more staff additions seemingly coming, it's likely that under Mac, we will enter each season with a noticeable talent disadvantage to UT, UGA, LSU, FSU, and whoever comes out of the West. It's a problem unless your goal is to win 8-9 games a year and collect participation ribbons. The 2017 class is HUGE if Mac wants to ever build a contender at UF.

I don't disagree but I've never thought that this was going to be a 1 recruiting class rebuild...we have been in a hole under Muschamp...it's going to take several winning seasons and recruiting classes...it's would be wonderful to think that we would get every recruit that we wanted in Mac's first real class...but truth is it was a good class and we addressed a lot of need. Do we need more and better players? We sure do but it's going to take another good football season to get more of those good players...and it's going to take another full year to produce a QB that can really play...loosing Grier sucks...people can say what they want to about him leaving but he was a damn good QB...kid could play the most important position on the field. We'll see how to goes...hell I'm glad that we actually have a guy that can probably make some extra points for the next 2 years...we're already better! lol I say we first see how this next season goes and how the team looks. If we win 9 games but look better then I'll be happy.
 
If you'll use all of your fingers and toes, plus that empty coffee cup, then you can maybe come up with the correct total of OL'men on the 2016 Gator roster. :cool:

#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 355 Jr ***** - Jacksonville, FL (LT starter as a tFr)
#32 OT Andrew Mike 6-6 278 rsSo *** - Tucson, AZ
#1 OT Martez Ivey 6-5 295 So ***** - Apopka, FL (Fr All SEC Team)
#155 OT Fredrick Johnson 6-6 305 So *** - West Palm Beach, FL (underrated, RT Starter)
#21 OT Kavaris Harkless 6-5 300 Fr **** - Jacksonville, FL

#26 OC/OG Travaris Dorsey 6-2 318 rsSo *** - Jacksonville, FL
#3 OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 292 So **** - Jacksonville, FL
#76 OC/OG T.J. McCoy 6-1 302 rsFr *** - Clermont, FL
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr **** - Mount Dora, FL

#20 OG Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr **** - Canton, MI
#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 322 rsJr **** - Lawrenceville, GA
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 357 rsFr **** - Warner Robins, GA

#79 OG/DT Richerd Desir-Jones 6-4 290 rsFr *** - Fort Lauderdale, FL
#105 OG Nick Buchanan 6-2 285 rsFr *** - Dunwoody, GA
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr *** - Cocoa, FL
#89 OG/OT Stone Forsythe 6-8 325 Fr *** - Winter Garden, FL - EE
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OT Marcel Benalcazar 6-7 334 Sr ** - Miramar, FL W-O (xfer from FSUcks)
OG Zach Shinn 6-2 280 rsSo ** - Plant City, FL W-O
OG Marcus Givens 6-0 263 rsFr ** - Saint Augustine, FL W-O
OG Nick Villano 6-2 312 rsFr ** - Wellington, FL W-O
OG Donovan Welch 6-4 286 rsFr ** - Clermont, FL W-O

Sorry, but with Summers to coach them up, I'd not trade my student/athlete group for your pack of thug criminoles, you're welcome to them.... :p


HAHA good luck with this rag tag Group! Wow, gator fans are in for a rude awakening. Let's see it's 5 out of the last 6, and now these last two below average classes start to kick in.

Please explain how the last two classes signed are not below the University of Florida's standard? I'll wait.
 
And obviously any composite ranking is much better than just using rivals, Scout, ESPN, etc by themselves. That's the point, it's a law of averages. It takes all of them and gets an average. You following along? There is not any one service that is correct. Each team has their own board. So taking composite rankings are the best bet. According to composite rankings, the last two years are rough!


Please rationalize how signing only one blue chip OLineman in two years is good?

Not ONE blue chip DT in two years.

MOON, Being the only composite blue chip linebacker in TWO years. Because the world knows that there wasn't one signed in that 2015 class. Reese is not a blue chip. Jeeez. Get real.

1 blue chip DB IN TWO seasons. Really?

Oh yeah, the composite rankings, which uses ALL the ranking services btw, must be geared to favor Fsu over UF, gotcha on that. Totally makes sense.
 
And obviously any composite ranking is much better than just using rivals, Scout, ESPN, etc by themselves. That's the point, it's a law of averages. It takes all of them and gets an average. You following along? There is not any one service that is correct. Each team has their own board. So taking composite rankings are the best bet. According to composite rankings, the last two years are rough!


Please rationalize how signing only one blue chip OLineman in two years is good?

Not ONE blue chip DT in two years.

MOON, Being the only composite blue chip linebacker in TWO years. Because the world knows that there wasn't one signed in that 2015 class. Reese is not a blue chip. Jeeez. Get real.

1 blue chip DB IN TWO seasons. Really?

Oh yeah, the composite rankings, which uses ALL the ranking services btw, must be geared to favor Fsu over UF, gotcha on that. Totally makes sense.

How many times are you going to keep repeating yourself only to be smacked down?
 
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There is not a sane Gator on the planet (at least one being honest with himself) who wouldn't trade the current FSU OL and the OL FSU just recruited for the 16 members of the OL on UF's roster.
You really are using YOUR OL as a standard?

Really?
 
The Gators who aren't paying attention to this are whistling past the graveyard. The past 3 classes have gutted our roster and with no more staff additions seemingly coming, it's likely that under Mac, we will enter each season with a noticeable talent disadvantage to UT, UGA, LSU, FSU, and whoever comes out of the West. It's a problem unless your goal is to win 8-9 games a year and collect participation ribbons. The 2017 class is HUGE if Mac wants to ever build a contender at UF.

Mj...this guy gets it. You should pay more attention to what he has to say.
 
Does that make my statement untrue?
What will make your statement untrue will be the performance of both lines this year.

FSU has some history with Trickett. Not good history.

Last year, our OL coach made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Three true freshman played a lot of snaps. Two started most game. But they were not nearly as bad as feared.
 
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Fixed that for ya.... :p

What the moe-rons don't account for is that the recruiting services are there for their own $$ benefit, and thus they are a biased source of questionable and always suspect information. I will always favor the opinions of my HBC and his staff when it comes to judging the quality/talent of the Gator student/athletes that they bring in to UF.

Attempting to 'tell me' what to do (use 247), or who to follow/believe when it comes to the recruiting classes is a real waste of time on your part, but continue, as you prolly have nothing better to do with your life.

And as to that, I'm still waiting for some genius criminole to show us how much better E-mouth Lane is as a WR, than Antonio Callaway is. This will show you just how much the recruiting services really know about the individuals.

Wait, here, let me help you out with the comparison quality of 247's averages: :rolleyes:

#47 WR Antonio Callaway 5-11 185 *** (National Ranking 363) - Chump
On the field reality - 2015: GP 14
Rec - 35 for 678 yds, 19.4 yds/rec, Long 66 yds, 4 TD's.
Rush - 3 for 19 yds, 6.3 ypc
KR - With 2 kicks returned for TD's.

#3 WR Ermon Lane 6-3 193 ***** (National Ranking #24) - Blue Chipper
On the field reality - 2014-15: GP 10
Rec - 17 for 296 yds, 17.4 yds/rec, Long 59 yds, 1 TD
Rush - None
KR - None


When 247 does their averages, they are still getting nothing better than the average of the recruiting service idiots wiss-dumb, not the wisdom of the coaches that are making millions for what they know.

But you have yourself a real nice day anyway.... :cool:

So you pick out two players to compare? Amazing Calloway couldn't pull out the win this last year. Oh yeah, one player comparison means nothing. This is about teams and entire classes. Ok let me fill you in on why;

There will always be misses in recruiting, again, that's why it's numbers game. The more high
Level guys, the better. Not all of them will turn out like Lane, a bust. And not all will over
perform, like Callaway. You have to look at the players and or classes as a whole. Fsu has had more players drafted in the last 4 years...,and guess what??? They have also signed more blue chips than the gators. Now signing better players not only leads to more draft picks, it also equals to winning more. Not only 5 out of the last 6 against Florida, but also a National Championship. But the blue chips don't matter.... Keep trusting the Gators, how has that worked out since Urb left? ;)
 
How many times are you going to keep repeating yourself only to be smacked down?


I think we all know who has been getting smacked down, and it's the Gators(on the field and in recruiting). Blackwell leaving now also? Lol. Mac is in over his head and it's only a matter of time before the right people figure it out. I'm hoping it takes y'all longer than it should because it's fun owning the state and stomping the gators every year.


Gators have been outscored 88-28 in just the last 3 years vs Fsu. Really?? 88-28 over three years! But yes, you are on the right track!!
 
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Blackwell was on the support staff. He wasn't on the actual coaching staff. You obviously don't know as much as you think you do about the UF football program but please go right ahead and keep intently studying the Gators and let us know what else you find. LOL
 
I'm hoping it takes y'all longer than it should because it's fun owning the state and stomping the gators every year.

Really? Because earlier you said...

No, This is new to me. I just broke this down. And while I don't think BC are everything, this is troubling news. Fsu needs Florida to be near the top, it helps the rivalry.

I thought you were just here out of concern for our football program?
 
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While it does help the rivalry when both teams are at the top, I think everubody can see the "good" in another failed coach by Foley. We all know that the only thing that really matters is the scoreboard. While recruiting leads to the end result on the field; we obviously don't agree on the results in the recruiting side. So, all we can go by now is the scoreboard....that's not debatable.

I honestly thought the Gators best shot was this past year, when FSU had a career backup take over as starter, a 1 year stop gap QB facing FL AT HOME....But that didn't work out for the Gators. Now, Fsu will have talent back at the QB spot. Not looking good in hog town for the scoreboard in 2016. I'm predicting you will lose to Tennesee this year and lose fourth straight to FSU. Then these boards will be on fire! Just wait for it...
 
So you pick out two players to compare? Amazing Calloway couldn't pull out the win this last year. Oh yeah, one player comparison means nothing. This is about teams and entire classes. Ok let me fill you in on why; (QB Treon Harris instead of Will Grier)

There will always be misses in recruiting, again, that's why it's numbers game. The more high Level guys, the better. Not all of them will turn out like Lane, a bust. And not all will over perform, like Callaway. You have to look at the players and or classes as a whole. Fsu has had more players drafted in the last 4 years...,and guess what??? They have also signed more blue chips than the gators. Now signing better players not only leads to more draft picks, (playing around in the ACC) also equals to winning more, (which is exactly why Saint Blobby Bowdown avoided joining the SEC). Not only 5 out of the last 6 against Florida, but also a National Championship. But the blue chips don't matter.... Keep trusting the Gators, how has that worked out since Urb left? ;)

Tell me genius, does a coaching change matter in recruiting and in W/L?
Does losing your starting QB after a 6-0 start matter at all? :rolleyes: (twit)

10-4 UF was the SECe-Champion in 2015.
What championship did 10-3 FSUcks win among the Almost Competitive in 2015, before losing to 2nd Tier Houston in their bowl game? Oh, that's right, Clems-son played NC for the Almost Competitive Conference Championship.

~~ Florida didn't play 3-9 TxSt, 3-9 BC, 3-9 WF, 4-8 Syr, or lose to 3-9 GaTech in 2015 like your criminoles did. The worst team that UF lost to was @ 9-3 LSU by a late trick play TD. The other 3 teams that UF lost to were a combined 34-7 on the season. And that was with our 1st year HBC and the 4-4 backup QB.

PS
I've asked this before with no response. Compare the UF vs UGA recruit class rankings to their head to head W/L records over the last 20 years. (crickets). IMOHO, recruit class rankings do matter somewhat, but not nearly as much as you wish they did. Also see the BSU vs OK Fiasco Bowl outcome from a few years back.... o_O

PSS
UF has won 2 BCS-NC's since 2006, and has since gone through 2 coaching changes.
How many has FSUcks won since 2006, with jimblow there the entire time?
 
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Last year, our OL coach made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Three true freshman played a lot of snaps. Two started most game. But they were not nearly as bad as feared.

You must have been watching a different team than the rest of us. I candidly thought the Gators 2015 offense along with the performance of the O-line was about as bad as I've ever seen at UF.

Statistically...UF allowed 46 sacks...which I believe was the most in the country. They ranked 121 out of 127 for average sacks allowed per game. If that's not "bad as feared", what is?

UF ranked 112 out of 127 teams in rushing yards per game. Again...chicken salad?
 
You must have been watching a different team than the rest of us. I candidly thought the Gators 2015 offense along with the performance of the O-line was about as bad as I've ever seen at UF.

Statistically...UF allowed 46 sacks...which I believe was the most in the country. They ranked 121 out of 127 for average sacks allowed per game. If that's not "bad as feared", what is?

UF ranked 112 out of 127 teams in rushing yards per game. Again...chicken salad?

I don't understand why people think Summers is any good, honestly. He can't recruit AT ALL, so the best we can ever hope for with him is having a mediocre line, but being happy that the talent level would have suggested they would be awful and he "coached them up".

Keeping Nord and Summers on staff this offseason has me thinking Mac isn't a guy to push the envelope to improve. He seems very content, for lack of a better word.
 
What will make your statement untrue will be the performance of both lines this year.

FSU has some history with Trickett. Not good history.

Last year, our OL coach made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Three true freshman played a lot of snaps. Two started most game. But they were not nearly as bad as feared.

You like to respond with a retort that has nothing to do with the original point. I have noticed that you do that with fellow Gators, as well, so it is not just a "thing" for Noles. It makes me wonder if you actually understand what you are reading or just enjoy fallacious argument. Either way, it makes your rhetorical skills look weak.

I will repeat the statement that has yet to called untrue....Sane, knowledgeable Florida fans would exchange in wholesale, their Offensive line and recruits for ours..in a heart beat.....which was one data point illustrating the growing divide in talent between the two squads.

Now, if you want to talk about quality of coach, a different argument, Bonner and 9399 did a sufficient job. Feel free to take it up with them, if you can manage to stay on point.
 
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Well, in the last three posts 1 of 3 things happened or a combination of any of the three:

1. Somebody posted that watches the games/recruitng objectively, not through orange and blue glasses.

2. Somebody posted that did not have too much chardonnay.

3. Somebody posted that is a grown up/was wearing their big boy pants.

Man that was refreshing.
 
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So which are you? The Chardonnay or lack of big boy pants?

Maybe a dress?

Wait wait wait, I know you wear the pants. It's just your woman picks them out for you.
Holy shit, a nole calling somebody a dandy? What next, the KKK going to call somebody racist?
 
You must have been watching a different team than the rest of us. I candidly thought the Gators 2015 offense along with the performance of the O-line was about as bad as I've ever seen at UF.

Statistically...UF allowed 46 sacks...which I believe was the most in the country. They ranked 121 out of 127 for average sacks allowed per game. If that's not "bad as feared", what is?

UF ranked 112 out of 127 teams in rushing yards per game. Again...chicken salad?
Gator O-line was not good, but it was young. But some of our issues can be traced to almost no threat of a downfield passing game the last half of the season. Would I trade O-lines? Not sure that is much of an upgrade. Now if you want to trade QB's, hell to the yeah!
 
the gators have this lack of blue talent in the trenches, offensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs.

1 blue chip DB in last two years. - Fsu got 7
I mean 7??? Fsu will be loaded in the secondary for 2017-2018...UF will have nobody left but Gardner who's elite. One guy?? Way behind here.


1 blue chip linebacker in the last two years- and that's Moon...not great.
And the noles got 3-4 this year alone in DJACK, Joyner, Brown, Rice.

ZERO blue chip DT's in the last two years-
The noles got 3 in the last two.

1 blue chip offensive lineman for the gators. The noles got 5 this year alone!!! Yikes

Gators are in for trouble in 2017-2018 from the 2014-2016 classes.

Article explains well.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2016/...iting-jim-mcelwain-has-a-blue-chip-recruiting
UF has far better coaching at every position than FSU...that will even things out.
 
And obviously any composite ranking is much better than just using rivals, Scout, ESPN, etc by themselves. That's the point, it's a law of averages. It takes all of them and gets an average. You following along? There is not any one service that is correct. Each team has their own board. So taking composite rankings are the best bet. According to composite rankings, the last two years are rough!


Please rationalize how signing only one blue chip OLineman in two years is good?

Not ONE blue chip DT in two years.

MOON, Being the only composite blue chip linebacker in TWO years. Because the world knows that there wasn't one signed in that 2015 class. Reese is not a blue chip. Jeeez. Get real.

1 blue chip DB IN TWO seasons. Really?

Oh yeah, the composite rankings, which uses ALL the ranking services btw, must be geared to favor Fsu over UF, gotcha on that. Totally makes sense.
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IF, (not gonna) we traded OL's:

How many could stay academically eligible at UF, instead of being moved along at Deion Rule Clown-U?

How many would stay off 'team rules' suspension at UF?

How may could stay out of jail in a town where they'll arrest the starting MLB for simply walking down the sidewalk and saying 'bark-bark' to a police dog that was in the back seat of a patrol car? (the sheriff did apologize the next day for the officers over-reaction btw). Gainesville ain't tallycrappy, where they don't even 'investigate' a reported rape for a year+.

No, I'd never trade OL's with you, no matter what the wiss-dumb star twits rated them....


And as to Mike Summers as the Gator OL coach, with what he had to work with after the 4 years of Muschump:

Other Gator fans are entitled to their own opinions, but I don't have to agree with them, nor with any always biased criminole. o_O

Mike Summers COACHING ACCOMPLISHMENTS
  • Has 35 years of coaching experience, (college and NFL) primarily coaching the offensive line and also spending 15 years as an offensive coordinator.
  • In his first season at Florida, the offensive line was one of the most consistent groups on the squad. The unit allowed just 16 sacks on the season, third-fewest in the (monster defense) SEC.
  • The UF offense averaged 187.7 rushing yards per game, topping the 200 yard mark five times in 12 games. Against Georgia, the Gators rushed for 418 yards against a defense that had previously allowed just 105.1 yards per game.

  • You can go here for the rest of his coaching history/story.... :cool:
  • http://floridagators.com/coaches.aspx?rc=482&path=football
 
IF, (not gonna) we traded OL's:

How many could stay academically eligible at UF, instead of being moved along at Deion Rule Clown-U?

How many would stay off 'team rules' suspension at UF?

How may could stay out of jail in a town where they'll arrest the starting MLB for simply walking down the sidewalk and saying 'bark-bark' to a police dog that was in the back seat of a patrol car? (the sheriff did apologize the next day for the officers over-reaction btw). Gainesville ain't tallycrappy, where they don't even 'investigate' a reported rape for a year+.

No, I'd never trade OL's with you, no matter what the wiss-dumb star twits rated them....


And as to Mike Summers as the Gator OL coach, with what he had to work with after the 4 years of Muschump:

Other Gator fans are entitled to their own opinions, but I don't have to agree with them, nor with any always biased criminole. o_O

Mike Summers COACHING ACCOMPLISHMENTS
  • Has 35 years of coaching experience, (college and NFL) primarily coaching the offensive line and also spending 15 years as an offensive coordinator.
  • In his first season at Florida, the offensive line was one of the most consistent groups on the squad. The unit allowed just 16 sacks on the season, third-fewest in the (monster defense) SEC.
  • The UF offense averaged 187.7 rushing yards per game, topping the 200 yard mark five times in 12 games. Against Georgia, the Gators rushed for 418 yards against a defense that had previously allowed just 105.1 yards per game.

  • You can go here for the rest of his coaching history/story.... :cool:
  • http://floridagators.com/coaches.aspx?rc=482&path=football

Perhaps people are more concerned with the stats from last yr. Not from two yrs ago. The 2015 line was at 126 yds/gm and gave up 45 sacks. A significant difference enough to bear watching.
 
Way to pick which service had which guy as a four star. Too funny. Just use 247 composite. It averages out all the services into one grade. It's pretty nice. The gators signed 6 four stars in 2016 and 4 total Blue chips in 2015. But nice try and it makes it look better on paper, which is all you can hope for at this point. Since it's already 5 of the last 6 lost to Fsu and this year is back in Tally. Good luck!!

Because all you need to win titles is lots of recruiting stars. Come back when you have a clue n00b.
 
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FSUs oline wasn't any good this year. How many times has FSU had a good Oline with Trickett as the coach? Not very many.

But Numbers, didn't you hear about the change in how the game is played? Evidently, the Oline and Dline will compare the number of recruiting stars, and if the Oline has more, they block the Dline, and if the Dline has more, they get through to the QB. It's now called Nole Ball, and the winner is the team with the higher star rating.
 
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