Gators are in trouble and going backwards....Here is the data

[MDM9093]

the gators have this lack of blue talent in the trenches, offensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs.

1 blue chip DB in last two years. - Fsu got 7
I mean 7??? Fsu will be loaded in the secondary for 2017-2018...UF will have nobody left but Gardner who's elite. One guy?? Way behind here.


1 blue chip linebacker in the last two years- and that's Moon...not great.
And the noles got 3-4 this year alone in DJACK, Joyner, Brown, Rice.

ZERO blue chip DT's in the last two years-
The noles got 3 in the last two.

1 blue chip offensive lineman for the gators. The noles got 5 this year alone!!! Yikes

Gators are in for trouble in 2017-2018 from the 2014-2016 classes.

Article explains well.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2016/...iting-jim-mcelwain-has-a-blue-chip-recruiting

 

[miksta]

We know, we know. We've all seen the flawed analyses and FSU fans' obsession with BC% etc...*yawn*

Got anything else or did you just come over here to troll and exhibit more of that inferiority complex you guys have?

 

[MDM9093]

No, This is new to me. I just broke this down. And while I don't think BC are everything, this is troubling news. Fsu needs Florida to be near the top, it helps the rivalry. This is a major shift in big time talent. The gators won't have such little amount of BC talent going into 2017 then it has since spurrier took over. 2014-2016 classes they signed such little amount of BC talent that it most likely will hurt against top tier competition, it'll have to. Running backs and WR's are nice but big uglies win it all. The lack of defensive backs, linebackers, and defensive tackle talent for 2017 is troubling, that's all.

 

[FSU4545]

Just take a look at the teams who won national championships the last 10 years.
Alabama
Ohio State
Florida State
Auburn
Florida (when you were recruiting at a high level)
LSU
Texas
You can't tell me there isn't a direct correlation between recruiting blue chip recruits and winning championships.

 

[FSU4545]

We know, we know. We've all seen the flawed analyses and FSU fans' obsession with BC% etc...*yawn*

Got anything else or did you just come over here to troll and exhibit more of that inferiority complex you guys have?

He's obviously trolling for gators!! Or are you too stupid to figure that out on your own?

 

[miksta]

He's obviously trolling for gators!! Or are you too stupid to figure that out on your own?

I guess you're able to spot it so quickly because that's your purpose, too? Please enlighten further.

 

[BringBackBonner]

The Gators who aren't paying attention to this are whistling past the graveyard. The past 3 classes have gutted our roster and with no more staff additions seemingly coming, it's likely that under Mac, we will enter each season with a noticeable talent disadvantage to UT, UGA, LSU, FSU, and whoever comes out of the West. It's a problem unless your goal is to win 8-9 games a year and collect participation ribbons. The 2017 class is HUGE if Mac wants to ever build a contender at UF.

 

[FSU4545]

The Gators who aren't paying attention to this are whistling past the graveyard. The past 3 classes have gutted our roster and with no more staff additions seemingly coming, it's likely that under Mac, we will enter each season with a noticeable talent disadvantage to UT, UGA, LSU, FSU, and whoever comes out of the West. It's a problem unless your goal is to win 8-9 games a year and collect participation ribbons. The 2017 class is HUGE if Mac wants to ever build a contender at UF.

Thank you. A gator that gets it. You are 100% correct. The 2017 class has to be a home run top 5 class.

 

[sadgator]

How on earth will sadgator sleep tonight?

 

[miksta]

Thank you. A gator that gets it. You are 100% correct. The 2017 class has to be a home run top 5 class.

Yeah, heaven forbid there are positive Gator fans on a Gator board. What would we do without concerned Noles coming over, with their oh-so-robust analyses, to lecture us? There certainly are not enough negative local contributors here...

gtfo

 

[TheRealJoePistone29]

How on earth will sadgator sleep tonight?

Bourbon

 

[46885]

It will be even more interesting to see how FSU finds a way to lose two ACC games again as well

 

[TexanNole]

It will be even more interesting to see how FSU finds a way to lose two ACC games again as well

But still crush you

 

[46885]

Apparently fsu fans think Treon will be the QB forever

 

[MDM9093]

I don't think that. I actually think the issue won't be at QB. It will be with a mediocre offensive line coupled with a defense that is going in a direction away from what you remembered under Muschamp. The last two classes have failed to sign the needed depth to CONTINUE to build on that excellent defense. The team will take on Mac's personailty, which is offense. But what he failed to do thus far, is keep adding the defensive talent to keep the defense elite.

 

[MDM9093]

You have to dive in and break down the classes Year by year. 2014 was ok, and had talents such as Tabor, Dawson, Willis, Holley, etc. gators and live with those types of classes.

But 2015 and 2016 really failed to get any defensive talent IN NUMBERS. So what will happen in 2017, the talent won't be there. You can ignore it now all you want but some people do recognize and talk about it. LOOK at who the starters will be for 2017 on the interior defensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs and it will be a huge step back. Compared the same projections to the man rivals of Florida and that's where the concern arises. You can project these things since most Classes are for 2-3 years out. Of
Course there will be exceptions to the rule with
3 and 4 star talent but in general, everybody can see what's happening. It doesn't help that the school up the street has signed so many high Level defensive guys the last couple years.

 

[46885]

Well it hasn't mattered how good the defense is because the offense has been so bad, hopefully the offense will actually move the ball and somewhat makes this topic mute button.

 

[LizardGrad89]

You have to dive in and break down the classes Year by year. 2014 was ok, and had talents such as Tabor, Dawson, Willis, Holley, etc. gators and live with those types of classes.

But 2015 and 2016 really failed to get any defensive talent IN NUMBERS. So what will happen in 2017, the talent won't be there. You can ignore it now all you want but some people do recognize and talk about it. LOOK at who the starters will be for 2017 on the interior defensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs and it will be a huge step back. Compared the same projections to the man rivals of Florida and that's where the concern arises. You can project these things since most Classes are for 2-3 years out. Of
Course there will be exceptions to the rule with
3 and 4 star talent but in general, everybody can see what's happening. It doesn't help that the school up the street has signed so many high Level defensive guys the last couple years.

As if the be all and end all of talent is stars.

Come back when you get a clue.

 

[46885]

like I said, FSU and UGA still lose to awful teams yearly anyway with FARRRRRRRRR less talent and recruiting stars than them.

 

[Nolec]

like I said, FSU and UGA still lose to awful teams yearly anyway with FARRRRRRRRR less talent and recruiting stars than them.

So does Bama, LSU. Ohio St. etc. I think that's why we bother to play the games.

 

[FSU4545]

like I said, FSU and UGA still lose to awful teams yearly anyway with FARRRRRRRRR less talent and recruiting stars than them.

Are those far less talented teams winning titles? No!!!

 

[46885]

The teams that don't blow mulitple games in the worst conference of football every year do yea

 

[46885]

http://www.ngngsports.com/2016/02/i...ble-for-the-fall-of-the-football-program.html


Michi will love this

 

[TennesseeGator]

the gators have this lack of blue talent in the trenches, offensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs.

1 blue chip DB in last two years. - Fsu got 7
I mean 7??? Fsu will be loaded in the secondary for 2017-2018...UF will have nobody left but Gardner who's elite. One guy?? Way behind here.


1 blue chip linebacker in the last two years- and that's Moon...not great.
And the noles got 3-4 this year alone in DJACK, Joyner, Brown, Rice.

ZERO blue chip DT's in the last two years-
The noles got 3 in the last two.

1 blue chip offensive lineman for the gators. The noles got 5 this year alone!!! Yikes

Gators are in for trouble in 2017-2018 from the 2014-2016 classes.

Article explains well.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2016/...iting-jim-mcelwain-has-a-blue-chip-recruiting

You are now like the 6th ****ing Nole to post this same link on this board.

 

[TennesseeGator]

You have to dive in and break down the classes Year by year. 2014 was ok, and had talents such as Tabor, Dawson, Willis, Holley, etc. gators and live with those types of classes.

But 2015 and 2016 really failed to get any defensive talent IN NUMBERS. So what will happen in 2017, the talent won't be there. You can ignore it now all you want but some people do recognize and talk about it. LOOK at who the starters will be for 2017 on the interior defensive line, linebackers, and defensive backs and it will be a huge step back. Compared the same projections to the man rivals of Florida and that's where the concern arises. You can project these things since most Classes are for 2-3 years out. Of
Course there will be exceptions to the rule with
3 and 4 star talent but in general, everybody can see what's happening. It doesn't help that the school up the street has signed so many high Level defensive guys the last couple years.

I'm have to admit I am beyond thoroughly impressed that you actually take the time to research a bunch of names of players and signees of a team you don't even root for. I wish I had the free time.

Do you have any other hobbies? Hunt, fish, golf, billiards, swim, bike, surf, or anything fun? Wife or girlfriend? Something to make a list of players, names, recruiting star numbers, projected starting lineup, and a bunch of other useless information on a team you don't even root for. What a life.

 

[MJWilliamson]

So does Bama, LSU. Ohio St. etc. I think that's why we bother to play the games.

To 3-9 teams?

 

[passoverGator]

You are now like the 6th ****ing Nole to post this same link on this board.

And all 6 have never posted here before.

 

[MJWilliamson]

And all 6 have never posted here before.

Imagine that.

 

[instaGATOR]

No, This is new to me. I just broke this down. And while I don't think BC are everything, (your pants are smoldering) this is troubling news. FSUcks needs Florida to be near the top, it helps the criminoles usual crappy Almost Competitive Conf. excuse for a SoS. (fixed that for ya)

This is a major shift in big time talent. (just like 5 star E.Lane vs 3 star A.Callaway). (go compare their career college stats, even though Lane is a class older).

The gators won't have such little amount of BC talent going into 2017 then it has since spurrier took over. 2014-2016 classes they signed such little amount of BC talent (only 4 are 5 stars, 3 were OT/DE) that it most likely will hurt against top tier competition, it'll have to, (just like when BSU played Okla in the Fiasco Bowl).

Running backs and WR's are nice but big uglies win it all. The lack of defensive backs, linebackers, and defensive tackle talent for 2017 is troubling, that's all.

And nothing will be changing between now and the 2017 season, it will be the EXACT same team then as it is now.... (genius)

As to the actual 'facts' of your (imo) idiot rant:

2016 OL (partial listing)

#1 OT Martez Ivey 6-5 295 So ***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 355 Jr *****

#3 OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 292 So ****
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr ****

#20 OG Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr ****
#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 322 rsJr ****
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 357 rsFr ****
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr ***
===========

#2 CB Jalen Tabor 6-0 191 4.45/40 Jr ***** (All American)
#2 CB Chauncey Gardner 5-11 197 4.50/40 Fr ****
#15 CB/FS Quincy Wilson 6-1 209 Jr ****
#16 CB Duke Dawson 5-10 204 Jr ****
#5 FS Marcus Maye 6-0 207 rsSr ****
#7 SS Marcel Harris 6-1 211 rsJr ****
#11 FS/Nic Nick Washington 6-0 195 rsJr ****
(so talented that most of them can play any of the DB positions)

#1 ILB Alex Anzalone 6-3 244 Sr *****
#3 OLB Daniel McMillian 6-1 219 Sr ****
#5 OLB Mat Rolin 6-3 216 rsJr ****
#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 5.0/40 Fr **** (Saban tried to flip him)
#24 OLB Jeremia Moon 6-4 210 4.7/40 Fr ****
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 4.8/40 Fr ****

RUSH Jordan Sherit 6-4 250 rsJr **** (OLB/DE)
RUSH Justus Reed 6-3 240 rsSo **** (OLB/DE)

#2 DE CeCe Jefferson 6-1 275 So ***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-3 217 4.70/40 Fr *****

#2 DT Thomas Holley 6-3 320 rsSo *****
#6 DT Caleb Brantley 6-2 314 rsJr ****
#12 DE/DT Joey Ivie 6-3 295 Sr **** (DE grew into starting DT)
#21 DT Khairi Clark 6-2 325 rsSo ****
#35 DE/DT Taven Bryan 6-5 292 rsSo *** (DE grew into DT)
#44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 302 rsFr *** (Joey's brother)
#45 DT/DE Jabari Zuniga 6-3 263 rsFr ***
==========

All but the 2 Sr LB's and 1 rsSr FS are eligible for 2017, if none of those non-BC's go early to the NFL... (like 5 more early departures are doing this year)

 

[TennesseeGator]

And all 6 have never posted here before.

Well even Igloo posted the same tired played out link.

 

[CommieGator]

It will be even more interesting to see how FSU finds a way to lose two ACC games again as well

Gotta say I got a full-on guffaw outta that one. My sides hurt- Tight work, that was nice.

 

[SKSnole]

No, This is new to me. I just broke this down. And while I don't think BC are everything, this is troubling news. Fsu needs Florida to be near the top, it helps the rivalry. This is a major shift in big time talent. The gators won't have such little amount of BC talent going into 2017 then it has since spurrier took over. 2014-2016 classes they signed such little amount of BC talent that it most likely will hurt against top tier competition, it'll have to. Running backs and WR's are nice but big uglies win it all. The lack of defensive backs, linebackers, and defensive tackle talent for 2017 is troubling, that's all.

A program can still be very good without a ton of top talent. Teams like Virginia Tech and Stanford come to mind. They sign a lot of 3 stars and sprinkle in some elite prospects. VT from the mid-90's to around 2010 was an excellent program. Stanford since about 2008 has also been outstanding. Sure, neither of those teams won a national championship in that time, but they have both had a lot of success. Since '08/'09 Stanford has easily been a top 6-7 program.

 

[NavigatorII]

A program can still be very good without a ton of top talent. Teams like Virginia Tech and Stanford come to mind. They sign a lot of 3 stars and sprinkle in some elite prospects. VT from the mid-90's to around 2010 was an excellent program. Stanford since about 2008 has also been outstanding. Sure, neither of those teams won a national championship in that time, but they have both had a lot of success. Since '08/'09 Stanford has easily been a top 6-7 program.

I hate to admit but the nole has the above right. I remember when Bowden was on top of his game he had FSU rocking by 1979. He did not have top tiered talent just yet but was halfway there. The difference was he had a decent offense, something lacking for quite some time. A good quarterback, running back and some skill position players covers up a lot of warts. Chump's all world defense never won a damn thing worth mention other than bragging rights against UGA and beating Dumbo in Trailerhassee. It sounds like sour grapes but if not for a disappearance of Grier things could have been different this season, not that UF underachieved considering preseason expectations. A competent QB, offense that can move the ball down the field and score points will fill the coffers full of 5 star recruits in the very near future. Even the dumbest high school athlete knows UF is the Flagship University in this state and it is known nationwide. Patience, the UGA troll Muschamp is forever gone, good times ahead.

 

[MDM9093]

I'm have to admit I am beyond thoroughly impressed that you actually take the time to research a bunch of names of players and signees of a team you don't even root for. I wish I had the free time.

Do you have any other hobbies? Hunt, fish, golf, billiards, swim, bike, surf, or anything fun? Wife or girlfriend? Something to make a list of players, names, recruiting star numbers, projected starting lineup, and a bunch of other useless information on a team you don't even root for. What a life.

Believe it or not, It's actually not very difficult to break down a couple of teams recruiting data. It took me about 10 minutes total, while enjoying my cup of coffee. I'm shocked something so simplistic in nature, seems so difficult or time consuming to you? It is not rocket science and doesn't require any kind of high level data mining to break down. It's actually at our finger tips now, it's 2016. Just an FYI on that.

This is just a way for you to deflect from the lack of talent the gators are bringing in. To assume I don't have a hobby, or a life because I made a post about the gators lack of talent is pretty ignorant and humorous.


Do you also look at people around town and assume they have money or not by the clothes they are wearing that day?


If you can't look at the last two classes and openly admit that they are a step back from what the gators are used to bringing in, then there is not much we can do for you.

 

[MDM9093]

A program can still be very good without a ton of top talent. Teams like Virginia Tech and Stanford come to mind. They sign a lot of 3 stars and sprinkle in some elite prospects. VT from the mid-90's to around 2010 was an excellent program. Stanford since about 2008 has also been outstanding. Sure, neither of those teams won a national championship in that time, but they have both had a lot of success. Since '08/'09 Stanford has easily been a top 6-7 program.

So now the gators are the next VTech! Haha. You are correct, and they don't win it all with that talent.

 

[MDM9093]

And nothing will be changing between now and the 2017 season, it will be the EXACT same team then as it is now.... (genius)

As to the actual 'facts' of your (imo) idiot rant:

2016 OL (partial listing)

#1 OT Martez Ivey 6-5 295 So ***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 OT David Sharpe 6-6 355 Jr *****

#3 OC Tyler Jordan 6-4 292 So ****
#8 OC Brett Heggie 6-4 304 Fr ****

#20 OG Cameron Dillard 6-4 308 rsJr ****
#27 OG/DE Antonio Riles 6-4 322 rsJr ****
#36 OG Brandon Sandifer 6-3 357 rsFr ****
#46 OG Jawaan Taylor 6-4 345 Fr ***
===========

#2 CB Jalen Tabor 6-0 191 4.45/40 Jr ***** (All American)
#2 CB Chauncey Gardner 5-11 197 4.50/40 Fr ****
#15 CB/FS Quincy Wilson 6-1 209 Jr ****
#16 CB Duke Dawson 5-10 204 Jr ****
#5 FS Marcus Maye 6-0 207 rsSr ****
#7 SS Marcel Harris 6-1 211 rsJr ****
#11 FS/Nic Nick Washington 6-0 195 rsJr ****
(so talented that most of them can play any of the DB positions)

#1 ILB Alex Anzalone 6-3 244 Sr *****
#3 OLB Daniel McMillian 6-1 219 Sr ****
#5 OLB Mat Rolin 6-3 216 rsJr ****
#17 OLB Vosean Joseph 6-2 207 5.0/40 Fr **** (Saban tried to flip him)
#24 OLB Jeremia Moon 6-4 210 4.7/40 Fr ****
#26 ILB David Reese 6-0 240 4.8/40 Fr ****

RUSH Jordan Sherit 6-4 250 rsJr **** (OLB/DE)
RUSH Justus Reed 6-3 240 rsSo **** (OLB/DE)

#2 DE CeCe Jefferson 6-1 275 So ***** (Freshman All SEC Team)
#2 DE Antonneous Clayton 6-3 217 4.70/40 Fr *****

#2 DT Thomas Holley 6-3 320 rsSo *****
#6 DT Caleb Brantley 6-2 314 rsJr ****
#12 DE/DT Joey Ivie 6-3 295 Sr **** (DE grew into starting DT)
#21 DT Khairi Clark 6-2 325 rsSo ****
#35 DE/DT Taven Bryan 6-5 292 rsSo *** (DE grew into DT)
#44 DT Andrew Ivie 6-1 302 rsFr *** (Joey's brother)
#45 DT/DE Jabari Zuniga 6-3 263 rsFr ***
==========

All but the 2 Sr LB's and 1 rsSr FS are eligible for 2017, if none of those non-BC's go early to the NFL... (like 5 more early departures are doing this year)

Way to pick which service had which guy as a four star. Too funny. Just use 247 composite. It averages out all the services into one grade. It's pretty nice. The gators signed 6 four stars in 2016 and 4 total Blue chips in 2015. But nice try and it makes it look better on paper, which is all you can hope for at this point. Since it's already 5 of the last 6 lost to Fsu and this year is back in Tally. Good luck!!

 

[miksta]

Way to pick which service had which guy as a four star. Too funny. Just use 247 composite. It averages out all the services into one grade. It's pretty nice. The gators signed 6 four stars in 2016 and 4 total Blue chips in 2015. But nice try and it makes it look better on paper, which is all you can hope for at this point. Since it's already 5 of the last 6 lost to Fsu and this year is back in Tally. Good luck!!

Oh, you're still here. Where were you in October after your loss to a 3-9 team?

 

[TexanNole]

Let's flip this around, if we signed your class I believe most FSU fans would be highly disappointed. Not because of the players, but not filling the obvious needs like OL & DL.

You need to realize JMs recruiting is not elite. One of the reasons he fired most of the staff to bring in better recruiters.

Your OL is still an issue and who knows the QB situation. TH may still be the best option. Defensively, the depth is not there.

Good luck in Tallahassee this year.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Let's flip this around, if we signed your class I believe most FSU fans would be highly disappointed. Not because of the players, but not filling the obvious needs like OL & DL.

Florida has 16 guys of the OL. That is enough

You need to realize JMs recruiting is not elite.

Just like you need to realize that Jimbo is a very average game day coach

One of the reasons he fired most of the staff to bring in better recruiters.

Firing one guy is "most of the staff?"

You are a moron of epic proportions

Your OL is still an issue

you know this....how?

and who knows the QB situation. TH may still be the best option.

Just like Smag is yours?

Defensively, the depth is not there.

You know nothing Nole Snow

Good luck in Tallahassee this year.

Thanks. Same to you

 

[PacoGator19]

UF has 16 Olinemen on scholly. How many are you supposed to have? I'm sure the Noles can fill us in since they know our team better than we do. Just an FYI but 16 scholly olinemen is plenty.