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Batteries cost more than the car

LOL, you guys are hilarious. the after market is very hot, they cannot produce enough vehicles to meet demand, even as prices have risen for new vehicles. all i can say is go test drive one, its not a tin can POS that @instaGATOR drives, the model 3 is easily comparable to the bmw 3 series, a better comp imo. if you think the EV movement is fake because you think its more manly or conservative to drive an inferior procuct, thats very very normal and sane of you....really it is....
They're comparable if your ownership window is 3-4 years and you never need to drive very far.

But leasing new cars is a VERY expensive way to own vehicles - you're essentially taking the max depreciation hit over and over. You're much better off financially to buy a car that's hit the lower slope of the depreciation curve (4-5 years) and using the money you save on preventative maintenance - and keeping the car at least 10 years. Except for my old truck, that's how I buy all of my cars. I drive (er, my wife drives) pretty nice vehicles.

And even when something catastrophic happens I'm ahead. When my RRS had the timing tensioner issue that affected all of the 2012-2015 5.0's, it cost me $5500. Car's paid for...that $5500 is about a year of lease payments on a Model 3 and less than 4 months for a Model S. That happened 3 years ago and, besides a suspension compressor that I replaced myself under warranty, I've had zero issues with that truck. And I'll own that car long after the battery is toast on a Tesla.
 
i dont believe in fairy tales.
That's an obvious outright freakin' LIE!

Because you claim to believe that paying for an over-rated heap of soon to be landfill junk Tesla,,, is still a good deal... 😂 🤣 😂

While I'll still be driving my fully loaded 2005 GMC Sierra Vortex 6000 many years from now.... I'm looking forward to one day putting a lost cost antique tag on it.
Drivers who are registering an antique car will be required to pay a fee of $7.50.
 
Evolution - Spontaneously generated microbes that evolved into all types of life on planet Earth. (leaves the annoying question about where the infinite universe came from)

Creation - Aliens (not from Earth, God or Gods) created all life.
(leaves the annoying question about how God, or the Gods were created???)

Is there a 3rd choice???
 
That's an obvious outright freakin' LIE!

Because you claim to believe that paying for an over-rated heap of soon to be landfill junk Tesla,,, is still a good deal... 😂 🤣 😂

While I'll still be driving my fully loaded 2005 GMC Sierra Vortex 6000 many years from now.... I'm looking forward to one day putting a lost cost antique tag on it.
Drivers who are registering an antique car will be required to pay a fee of $7.50.
all luxury goods are overpriced slim, you can either afford them or you cannot.
 
They're comparable if your ownership window is 3-4 years and you never need to drive very far.

But leasing new cars is a VERY expensive way to own vehicles - you're essentially taking the max depreciation hit over and over. You're much better off financially to buy a car that's hit the lower slope of the depreciation curve (4-5 years) and using the money you save on preventative maintenance - and keeping the car at least 10 years. Except for my old truck, that's how I buy all of my cars. I drive (er, my wife drives) pretty nice vehicles.

And even when something catastrophic happens I'm ahead. When my RRS had the timing tensioner issue that affected all of the 2012-2015 5.0's, it cost me $5500. Car's paid for...that $5500 is about a year of lease payments on a Model 3 and less than 4 months for a Model S. That happened 3 years ago and, besides a suspension compressor that I replaced myself under warranty, I've had zero issues with that truck. And I'll own that car long after the battery is toast on a Tesla.
i have had my tesla for 4.5 years, by far the best car i have ever owned and i have owned some dooozies! no chevies for me, NTTIAWWT!!
 
I don't subscribe to any of them. I get my news and information from everywhere. I will often read 2 or 3 articles on the same event and then chuckle as they contradict one another.

If at the end of the above I'm still not sure what is truth and what is fiction, I pray for guidance.
good response, i dont pray for guidance but i do continue the search!!
 
I PROMIE you have NO IDEA what the used car market is. If you are saying overall the used car market is hot concerning values...you would be correct. The ONLY reason that it is so hot is because there are not enough NEW vehicles to keep up with demand. That can change almost overnight. What you have NO IDEA about is what will happen to the value of an EV 3-4 yrs down the road...or even sooner if the miles start getting around 75-80000. I do not care how hot the market is then....anyone that appraises that car will deduct whatever the replacement cost of the whole battery is. This will happen until they start making batteries last 2-300k. I do not think that will happen in my lifetime.

We TOTALLY missed on clean diesels here in our Country. That would have been a GREAT step to electric vehicle, while the technology is advanced. I HIGHLY recommend selling your EV before the miles hit 50K.
its called money printing and 4 years of the most rabid liberal to ever hold office in any county in any universe. PUNTO>
 
lol, that science is not yet settled, i dont need to know everything.
Regardless of how we came to exist in the form we do, our teeth and digestive systems are made to rip, tear and digest meat,

If we were meant to live on plants alone we’d look different,

Do you have a dog or a cat? Does he/she eat only plants?
 
Regardless of how we came to exist in the form we do, our teeth and digestive systems are made to rip, tear and digest meat,

If we were meant to live on plants alone we’d look different,

Do you have a dog or a cat? Does he/she eat only plants?
I think you feel better when you eat more fruits and veggies you certainly look better and have more energy…
 
New model S is $142k.

Better start saving, you’re getting close.
You’re not even close!!!! The plaid isn’t even that high. The llong range is in the 80’s it’s down 30k from when I bought and it’s faster with longer range! Technology is amazing, it’s a miracle!!! Soon we will walk on water for real!
 
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You’re not even close!!!! The plaid isn’t even that high. The llong range is in the 80’s it’s down 30k from when I bought and it’s faster with longer range! Technology is amazing, it’s a miracle!!! Soon we will walk on water for real!
Plaid is $152

Base is $127

Source: Tesla.com


And politics is clearly religion for you people.
 
Evolution - Spontaneously generated microbes that evolved into all types of life on planet Earth. (leaves the annoying question about where the infinite universe came from)

Creation - Aliens (not from Earth, God or Gods) created all life.
(leaves the annoying question about how God, or the Gods were created???)

Is there a 3rd choice???

"...And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you...this is my name for ever..."

Out of the void of total black emptiness, God just appeared out of the nothingness.
God was the only thing in that black empty never ending Infinite Universe.

In that total emptiness, God couldn't see anything so God said:
Gen. 1-3 Let There Be Light, and there was light.

In what language did God say it, and where did that language come from.
And who was he saying it to, and for what reason was he bothering to say it?

Gen. 1-4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
Light and Dark are already opposites, so they needed no extra separation.

Gen. 1-5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.”
And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

If darkness, God, and light are all there is in the Infinite Universe, then how can there be a night and day? What was God using as a reference point???

I was raised in the strict doctrine Southern Baptist Church.
I showed up one Sunday morning at the age of 15, wearing non-traditional clothes,
Pants were 1/4 inch wide vertical black and white stripes.
Shirt was a medium pink short sleeve with a button down collar.
My shoes were called 'Jesus sandals' in the 1960's, leather with a big toe ring.
And I was wearing small rectangular soft red tinted sunglasses.

The Texas born and raised preacher (brother Billy Dickerson) educated at Baylor, bout had a stroke when he saw me, but he said nothing. On the fly, the dumped his prepared sermon and instead preached on people that see the world through rose colored glasses. I still consider it one of his better efforts.

You should already be able to tell that the religious icons had some serious trouble with the souls like me and Z. Sitchin. But we both still see ourselves as questioning believers in a God creator....
I still don't have much use for the man created Dogma of the many organized religions,,, but You and Me Lord!
😉
 
youre swinging at ghosts!!! get on board, progress is very hard on those that resist it.
You’re ignoring facts.

EV’s are not the panacea you think they are. Cool? Yep. Fast? Absolutely.

Great for the environment? Not exactly.

You own a car that needs the equivalent of a new engine every 100-150k miles. Any other car you’d call a POS if that was the case.

And you pay dearly for the privilege.
 
You’re ignoring facts.

EV’s are not the panacea you think they are. Cool? Yep. Fast? Absolutely.

Great for the environment? Not exactly.

You own a car that needs the equivalent of a new engine every 100-150k miles. Any other car you’d call a POS if that was the case.

And you pay dearly for the privilege.
First of all you’re wrong on the new engine second the technology is amazing it’s a far superior car it’s not even close if you want o continue to use a to start phone instead of a smart phone be my guest but the future is electric not ice. I didn’t buy it because I am a greenie, I don’t really care about that although it is a nice side benefit .
 
First of all you’re wrong on the new engine second the technology is amazing it’s a far superior car it’s not even close if you want o continue to use a to start phone instead of a smart phone be my guest but the future is electric not ice. I didn’t buy it because I am a greenie, I don’t really care about that although it is a nice side benefit .
I’m using the engine as an analogy - the battery isn’t going past 150k / 8 years. You’re going to have to get a new one and take a massive depreciation hit or pony up $25k for a new battery. My Land Rover engine is extremely high tech and runs $22k. It’s 10 years old at 98k and runs like a Swiss watch.

But eco friendly is not a benefit. It harms the earth to mine these raw materials, utilizes slave labor and puts our destiny in the hands of China and Russia. Then when it’s time to dispose of the batteries they pollute the hell out of the earth. They can combust in landfills and spew toxic chemicals into the air, leech harmful chemicals into the water table. You can’t recycle and repurpose them forever.

My cars do car stuff. Your car does car stuff. Your analogy of smart phone vs flip phone is dumb.

Plus your smart phone has a very limited battery. I can pour a liquid into mine and I never have to stop texting and making calls. You have a really fancy golf cart.

At least a cute girl talked to you for a few hours?
 
I’m using the engine as an analogy - the battery isn’t going past 150k / 8 years. You’re going to have to get a new one and take a massive depreciation hit or pony up $25k for a new battery. My Land Rover engine is extremely high tech and runs $22k. It’s 10 years old at 98k and runs like a Swiss watch.

But eco friendly is not a benefit. It harms the earth to mine these raw materials, utilizes slave labor and puts our destiny in the hands of China and Russia. Then when it’s time to dispose of the batteries they pollute the hell out of the earth. They can combust in landfills and spew toxic chemicals into the air, leech harmful chemicals into the water table. You can’t recycle and repurpose them forever.

My cars do car stuff. Your car does car stuff. Your analogy of smart phone vs flip phone is dumb.

Plus your smart phone has a very limited battery. I can pour a liquid into mine and I never have to stop texting and making calls. You have a really fancy golf cart.

At least a cute girl talked to you for a few hours?
you can fight progress, its not going to wait for you. i have never driven a car anywhere near 150k miles, my car is 4 and a half years old with 41k miles, runs like a dream, there is no comparison to an ice car. NONE. if you cannot afford wone yet, thats ok, they will likely get cheaper. flat screens were not for the masses when they first came out....
 
you can fight progress, its not going to wait for you. i have never driven a car anywhere near 150k miles, my car is 4 and a half years old with 41k miles, runs like a dream, there is no comparison to an ice car. NONE. if you cannot afford wone yet, thats ok, they will likely get cheaper. flat screens were not for the masses when they first came out....
I still own a Pioneer Kuro plasma that cost me almost 10k out the door in 2002. I get early adopter tech costs, but a car isn’t tech, it’s transportation. Also, that TV was the last time I invested a ton of cash into a rapidly depreciating asset.

And I drove my 89 325is to 245k miles.
My truck only has a 5 digit odometer but we think it’s at least 173k (it might be 273k). Our other cars are all right at 100k. I am a former mechanic, do most of my own maintenance and drive cars a long time.

But you’re ignoring advances in modern combustion engines. They are more powerful, efficient and lower emissions than any time in history…and if you take care of them they run for a long, long time. You can drive a modern 4cyl 400+ miles and it emits about the same emissions as a 4 stroke lawn mower mowing an avg sized lawn. And plug in hybrids are the best of both worlds.
 
I still own a Pioneer Kuro plasma that cost me almost 10k out the door in 2002. I get early adopter tech costs, but a car isn’t tech, it’s transportation. Also, that TV was the last time I invested a ton of cash into a rapidly depreciating asset.

And I drove my 89 325is to 245k miles.
My truck only has a 5 digit odometer but we think it’s at least 173k (it might be 273k). Our other cars are all right at 100k. I am a former mechanic, do most of my own maintenance and drive cars a long time.

But you’re ignoring advances in modern combustion engines. They are more powerful, efficient and lower emissions than any time in history…and if you take care of them they run for a long, long time. You can drive a modern 4cyl 400+ miles and it emits about the same emissions as a 4 stroke lawn mower mowing an avg sized lawn. And plug in hybrids are the best of both worlds.
well our GDP would be that of ethiopia if all americans acted like you do.....
 
you can fight progress, its not going to wait for you. i have never driven a car anywhere near 150k miles, my car is 4 and a half years old with 41k miles, runs like a dream, there is no comparison to an ice car. NONE. if you cannot afford wone yet, thats ok, they will likely get cheaper. flat screens were not for the masses when they first came out....


You can either be a good democrat, or you can be a good person.

You made the wrong choice.
 
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