I think if reasonable heads would have prevailed early and we didn't have the doom hysteria pushers as the scientists giving the scenarios to the politicians that we would have done the basic stuff and just really stressed to the older people with underlying medical issues to stay away from your younger family members for a while if possible and if not possible make sure things in the home are kept where it couldn't survive on a surface and to keep some distance from the younger residents in the home in addition to the distance stuff when outside.The Florida Governor is restricting entry to the state.
I'm good with that temporary measure.
But he has also closed ALL of the Florida State Parks, which I'm not happy about.
I'm in the high risk group, so I practice reasonable 'social distancing' but I refuse to stay at home. I continue with my life, much as before except for the now closed off areas.
My 'drive-thru' activity has necessarily increased for now....
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Maybe - I do agree with the current cautious actions however it's worth thinking about how opening some sections of the country will affect things. This will also be dramatically different in differing areas of the country due to population density.
Here's the thing - since there's no shot to take, and won't be for 12-18 months most likely - we're going to have to reintegrate the population sooner than when a shot is availalbe. There isn't enough money in the universe to keep the current society on hold for that long.
So at some point in the next 3-6 weeks most of society that's outside of the high population areas at least are going to have to start opening. My opinion of course.
I think they could open right now if it was up to me. Just curious what do you think is the reason 3 states with high density population areas never took off like NY even though they had the stuff before NY as regards to CA (Orange County) and FL at about the same time as NY in Broward and Dade etc.TX also but not sure when they supposedly first confirmed. Per capita these 3 large states have destroyed NY as far as success so far and 2 of them didn't even do statewide draconian lockdowns like NY has done.
I have my theory on that besides just Cuomo and that Mayor making early mistakes - why that was possible even though they have some high density areas - maybe not NY City density but still pretty high density. Just curious what others think is the reason?
That's not correct gbo...
-- And it's already been used successfully. Hydroxychloroquine (an antimalarial drug)... Plus an antibiotic in combination.
A cure and a possible preventative is there to be used now, so get over it already.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ent-study-of-chloroquine-after-trump-comments
Yeah not sure but it's a good question. Even other high density places aren't having the same rate as NY. I've been waiting for CA to explode especially given its homeless problem coming into this. Interested to hear your theory.
I'm leaning into the idea to let younger people back into the workforce first, while keeping the older folks out of the way for another month. We'll have to take care of them of course but we have to start building some herd immunity at some point.
I'm leaning into the idea to let younger people back into the workforce first, while keeping the older folks out of the way for another month. We'll have to take care of them of course but we have to start building some herd immunity at some point.
That's not correct gbo...
Hydroxychloroquine (an antimalarial drug)... Plus an antibiotic in combination.
A cure and a possible preventative is there to be used now, so get over it already.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/articl...ent-study-of-chloroquine-after-trump-comments
I stand corrected - I meant to suggest that there's no "flu shot" for pre-immunity like we have with the flu shot. That will take 12-18 months and we certainly can't wait that long.
To your point though - crisis is where a lot of innovation takes place and I'm hoping the items you are talking about hold promise.
In the interview that I watched gbo, they were insinuating that the drug combination that I listed could possibly be used as a preventive, instead of a flu shot. The cure is for certain, the preventative is still just a possibility.
Actually that isn't the main reason imo and CA went silly like NY and they still haven't caught fire like NY has.
I think its because this stuff is following the exact same path the flu does from everything I have read from some Korean scientists. It doesn't like the warmer weather (or the higher UV rays) a lot and NY besides high density is still in its goldilocks zone weather wise while the 3 other states aren't as they usually have mostly shed the flu by late March most years unlike many northern states.
Also those breakouts in Atlanta and New Orleans appear to be breakouts from health workers not protecting old age places as much as they should have and they seem to be slowing now some unlike up there.
Its equivalent in a way by treating it as the black plague from the middle ages when its more akin to Swine Flu level stuff and much less deadly than SARS and MERS. Once this is shown in a few weeks a few people need to resign with their heads down for destroying our economy for a long time to come and the US should never take the WHO seriously again on something like this.
Well then shame on the President for propagating this hoax and keeping the distancing guidelines in place until April 30....
Didn't you say there'd be 2.2 million Americans dying? I mean - it's science, right?
I thought you'd catch the joke. The Imperial model that came out of England originally said 2.2 milliion American deaths, now they are lowering that by at least 25x which is still bad but not even close.
Here's the point - when Trump says something stupid it's all that's talked about. Fair enough. When the lead scientific model is off 25x (and counting) nobody blinks an eye in the press.
See the difference?
Trying to understand how "we will have up to 2.2 million deaths unless we take action", and then we actually take action to reduce the deaths, turns into "the scientists were wrong".
Were they? Or did they warn us in time to prevent a catastrophe?
If you create a model that suggests we will take no action, throw out the highest number and the press prints that for the next 30--45 days...all the while we're taking action, then yes it's a problem.
With you on this one. We didnt "over react", we acted with the appropriate response.
I think eventually we will tell all old people to quarantine and let the rest of us go wild
100% and I've said as much as well. I think we're handling things about how we should.
I don't know if people see their own bias on this issue, which is my main point.
Trump said this was a hoax, then corrected course and took it seriously and I think he's handling it pretty well.
Science was off 25x and assumes that we're all going to sit around and watch each other die for the entire event...then corrects its estimates.
I'm actually being critical of both. Dems will act like stats are never wrong or suggest that we wouldn't have acted if the projections weren't obscene in the first place. Reps will say Trump doesn't really mean what he says half the time.
What I'm suggesting is that we'd all be far better off if Trump stopped talking out his ass and if the press would stop trying to scare us.
I think we're going to have to. There's not enough money in the universe to stay unproductive for a whole lot longer.
If u read the line where he said it was a hoax he didnt say the virus was a hoax lol he said the dems will say his response to it will be the next hoax. In the very next line where he said the word hoax he said 15 are infected in the US so he wasnt calling tue virus a hoax. Now i know he shouldnt say the word when talki g about the virus becuz it gives ammo to the media to trick people into thinking he said it. It was a poor word choice, he did not call tye virus a hoax tho.
I agree with ur last comment tho
Or is the press trying to keep the Gator Fevers of the country from deciding this is all a hoax and causing a problem? I mean, after all, they aren't saying "2.2 million are going to die", they are saying "the death toll could be as high as 2.2 million unless proper precautions are taking", right? We don't need to hear things like "things are looking up" if it means that people are going to start clamoring for a return to their normal lives before it's safe to do so.
I don't think anyone stated that he said the virus itself was a hoax, but that the idea that it was a major health crisis was a hoax. That's why he made the point that only 15 people had it in the US. He was saying that it was actually no big deal and the Democrats were trying to make it into one to make him look bad. In hindsight, he may have been wrong about that.
That is true. Here's the problem - Trump uses a lot of language and means different things half the time lol. He'll use the term "fake news" to describe when news agencies screw up, which is legit imo but also to simply describe those that disagree with him. I think he uses "hoax" the same way. He doesn't literally mean the disease doesn't exist but he's pointing to the overhype on the subject.
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Er, the swine flu was a flu
This is not
it is much worse and would already dwarf that absent action
The magat talking points are more painful now that so much has gone wrong. The just the flu, the people die, the what can he do nonsense
Swine flu was treated as an emergency early
This virus was literally joked about, intelligence warnings were ignored, pandemic teams were fired.
Pace today is 3-4 times the flu and if we continue to be assholes more like 20-25 times
The festering ignorance has come to roost. Bad things happen to all, but if you nationally elect a con man who hates you and hates intellect, you get a hateful unintellectual buffoon whose idiocy has already killed thousands more than necessary. Carry on magats
This is not
it is much worse and would already dwarf that absent action
The magat talking points are more painful now that so much has gone wrong. The just the flu, the people die, the what can he do nonsense
Swine flu was treated as an emergency early
This virus was literally joked about, intelligence warnings were ignored, pandemic teams were fired.
Pace today is 3-4 times the flu and if we continue to be assholes more like 20-25 times
The festering ignorance has come to roost. Bad things happen to all, but if you nationally elect a con man who hates you and hates intellect, you get a hateful unintellectual buffoon whose idiocy has already killed thousands more than necessary. Carry on magats
Don't necessarily disagree, but almost 1000 people had died before President Obama declared an emergency. Remember, 17k Americans died from the swine flu.
To suggest Trump has done marketed worse is to ignore the stats that matter. The fact is the US has marketed lower death rates and cases per capita by pretty large margins vs. all other countries. The lone exception is Germany.
Since you aren't attaching the same blame to all the enlightened world leaders from Canada, England, France, Italy etc., whose cases include 3-6x higher death rates and deaths per thousands, I have to wonder why you are ignoring the obvious.
This doesn't give Trump a pass on his earlier comments but does show your critique in his actions is lacking. Or are you suggesting that all the world leaders are anti-science? You can't have it both ways. You want to point to Trump as some anti-science fool that won't listen to the doctors and then at the same time refuse to compare him to his world leader counterparts.
Fact is you just want to believe something and support your narrative. It'd be easier is you just said so.
Trump supporters just ignore what this is...half the County is buying into rhetorical bs regardless of what the facts are...amazing really...this shouldn’t happen in 2020, but is what you get when an admin has spent 4 years contesting and distorting the truth and attacking the free press...it’s the main reason for the first amendment really...
Is France ignoring this? How about Italy? England? Spain? China? Belguim?
Why are all these countries and their enlightened leaders having LESS success than the truthless Trump administration? These countries are having 2-6x the death rates that we are.
Trump has to be held accountable for his communication but just thinking he's the bad guy doesn't match the facts on the ground. He's doing much better in combating this diease than his counterparts so far. That may change but that's how it looks right now - that's where the stats are at. If that changes then I'll change my mind but most people are in agreement that we're doing about all we can with the tools we have. And we're doing much better than our enlightened counterparts in Europe. And I've been very critical of Trump's early misinformation.
Actually I don't think CA is in too much danger of exploding with this like NY and Detroit compared to their large population anyway - should have already happened there and in FL and TX if they were going to get levels like NY.
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53% are governed by Democrat Governors. Around 47% under Rep Governors.
Even though Democrat Governors are the ones mostly doing the full no-work lockdowns people in their states are almost 3 times as likely to have passed from coronavirus than people living in Rep Governed states (adjusted for population % to be a proper comparison). Not saying going that far makes more deaths in the long run but there certainly is no evidence they work any better than the less restrictive you can go to work ones.
Korea went violation of rights strict and caught the stuff really early so they aren't a good comparison to any western country.
The same is true in Europe also when comparing some countries so far.
I agree with a lot of this. Once Trump got on board with the reality of the situation he has listened to his advisers and had the country take the needed steps. I just wish he had listened a bit sooner.
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